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Ohyoudidnt:
Thanks for acknowledging that God sent other prophets and Jesus is not the sole prophet sent.

Were Balaam and Job Jew?

Jesus is more than a prophet.
Balaam was an exception.

AntiChristian:
KJV has serious defects!

Are you a baby in Bible Historical knowledge?

what does that have to do with the interpretation of katalysai.

AntiChristian:
KJV has serious defects!

Are you a baby in Bible Historical knowledge?

what does that have to do with the interpretation of katalysai?
Jesus didn't destroy the law rather he fulfilled it, meaning he satisfied the requirements of the law so those who believes in him do not need to fulfill the law for their justification.

AntiChristian:
That's Bible versions for you! (katalysai) Greek means to loosen down, i.e. to demolish; specially to halt for the night.

New International Version
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

New Living Translation
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

English Standard Version
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Berean Standard Bible
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.

Berean Literal Bible
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

King James Bible
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

New King James Version
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

New American Standard Bible
“Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

Those are translation that could be wrong, the most correct interpretation is destroy, which is what kjv used.
Katalysai means to destroy.
You have even destroyed your argument by bringing the Greek word.

Qasim6:
Wake up from your dream bro!

They have lied to you.

You can not reconcile Paul teachings with the teachings of the Qur'an.

Qur'an did not acknowledge Paul, Paul is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

What you are quoting is someone commentary.

so you Muslims corrupt your Koran by lying against it.

AntiChristian:
Where did you see anyone say your work will save you?
Did you see that in the OP?

Abeg stay on the thread or go sleep!

slave of alah, what else will save you if not your deeds? Or are you nw agreeing with prophet Paul that works cant save you? Oh I forgot you don't even know what grace is. Unfortunately alah can't save you.

AntiChristian:
Allah relates Jesus as calling himself the same Abdool you are using to abuse us here now!

Qur'an 19:30!

Qur'an is a stupid book

AntiChristian:
Do not think that I have come to ABOLISH the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

IT IS IN CAPS NOW!

you inserted abolish there yourself.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Jesus didn't say abolish.

AntiChristian:
Diversion!
Sorry we work, hope and pray for Allah's mercy!

why do you need alah's mercy if your works are what will save you. Or is Ala like those wicked people who refuse to pay those who work for them?

AntiChristian:
Open your eyes and read the OP!

You will clearly see where Jesus said he came NOT to abolish the law and the Prophets!

When your own holy spirit excels in abusing others how will you have eyes to see?

where did he say abolish?
Abdools are as dumb as alah and Mohammad.
You don't know the difference between destroy and abolish? Lol
Shame on alah and his prophet.

AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:37

vs

Paul who says:
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23-24

Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! Romans 5:9

I tire for Paul o!

Why does he have to always contradict Jesus?
He didn't meet Jesus and was never taught or commissioned by him!

How are we justified?
By our words or by his blood or by grace?

As ignorant as Mohammad, how come you Muslims always pray for alah's mercy? If you truly trust in your works you don't need alah's mercy

AntiChristian:
Jesus says he didn't come to abolish the Law and the Prophets
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

Paul says Christ is the end of the law
For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace. Ephesians 2:15

abdools are as dumb as Allah and his Peadophile prophet.
Go and check the meaning of fulfill.
Where did Jesus say he didn't come to abolish the law?

Ohyoudidnt:
Pardon my inquiry please.

Does the belief that God sent Jesus imply God did not send other prophets and only sent Jesus?

Even the stupid Koran called Jesus the messiah meaning he is more than a prophet.
God sent prophets before Christ and all the prophet sent were jews.

AntiChristian:
How is these related to Jesus Vs Paul 1 - How To Qualify For Eternal Life!?

Your IQ still hasn't improved!

The thread is about Jesus and Paul's way to qualify for eternal life!

If you don't understand the thread then blame your teachers or the Holy Spirit you claim you possess!

abdools are as dumb as Allah and his criminal prophet.
Keep running.

AntiChristian:
Where does Paul's grace come in?
Are you still saying Paul lied?

are as dumb as your prophet?
Do you even know what grace means?

I literally just showed you that to believe in Jesus is to believe in the God that sent Jesus.

Qasim6:
You guys don come with your non-existent Muslim having a non existent dream about Jesus.

What happened to Matthew 24:26?

"So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."

Your guy probably see something else, just like Paul on his way to Damascus.

How come your stupid Koran acknowledge Paul as servant of Allah?

وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُون١٣
إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ مُرْسَلُونَ١٤
قَالُوا مَا أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُنَا وَمَا أَنْزَلَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ مِنْ شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا تَكْذِبُونَ١٥
قَالُوا رَبُّنَا يَعْلَمُ إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ لَمُرْسَلُونَ١٦
وَمَا عَلَيْنَا إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ١٧
And put forward to them a similitude; the Dwellers of the Town, when there came Messengers to them (13)
When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both; so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: "Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers. (14)
They said: "You are only human beings like ourselves, and the Most Gracious has revealed nothing. You are only telling lies. (15)
The Messengers said: "Our Lord knows that we have been sent as Messengers to you, (16)
"And our duty is only to convey plainly. (17)

The Story of the Dwellers of the Town and Their Messengers, a Lesson that Those Who belied Their Messengers were destroyed

Allah says, 'O Muhammad, tell your people who disbelieve in you,'

مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ

(a similitude; the Dwellers of the Town, when there came Messengers to them.) In the reports that he transmitted from Ibn 'Abbas, Ka'b Al-Ahbar and Wahb bin Munabbih – Ibn Ishaq reported that it was the city of Antioch, in which there was a king called Antiochus the son of Antiochus the son of Antiochus, who used to worship idols. Allah sent to him three Messengers, whose names were Sadiq, Saduq and Shalum, and he disbelieved in them. It was also narrated from Buraydah bin Al-Husayb, 'Ikrimah, Qatadah and Az-Zuhri that it was Antioch. Some of the Imams were not sure that it was Antioch, as we shall see below after telling the rest of the story, if Allah wills.

إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا

(When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both means, they hastened to disbelieve in them.

فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ

(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, 'We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu'ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham'un[Peter] and Yuhanna[John], and the name of the third was Bulus[Paul], and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).

فَقَالُوا

(and they said) means, to the people of that city,

إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ مُرْسَلُونَ

(Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers.) meaning, 'from your Lord Who created you and Who commands you to worship Him Alone with no partners or associates.' This was the view of Abu Al-'Aliyah. Qatadah bin Di'amah claimed that they were messengers of the Messiah, peace be upon him, sent to the people of Antioch.

AntiChristian:
So it's not grace right?
Paul lied!
Thank you!

abdool! Jesus is literally believing in him is the same as believing in the father that is how one is saved.

Jesus said he and the father are one.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Not like your confused Mohammad/ allah. Mohammad the paedophilic criminal.

AntiChristian:
So i should just believe in the statement you typed as against what Jesus allegedly said "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24?

The statement is clear!
It is not by grace!

You are not making sense. According to the text salvation comes through faith in the father, and again the only way to believe in the father is to believe in the Son he sent.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
Believing in Jesus is the same as believing in the father.

AntiChristian:
Jesus says to believe in the one who sent him
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24

Paul says grace...
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:21

Paul loses!
You must believe in God who sent Jesus to be saved!

If you believe God then you will accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour otherwise you don't believe in God.
Jesus preached salvation by grace same with Paul, no difference.

MaxInDHouse:
What name do you expect people outside who have been taught that the Christian religious book is called "Bible" to see in our publication before they can relate?

Why then I'd your organization using the name "kingdom hall" since it is not in the bible, why did your organization call Jesus Micheal since scripture never said Jesus is Micheal?

MaxInDHouse:
For people like you to know what we are saying nah of course you will also see Trinity written in our books it doesn't mean we agree with you people but to help the readers to know what we are talking about.
Our version is named the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that's the point!

So you are saying your organization is deceiving people? Like the serpent in Eden

MaxInDHouse:
It's you people that gave the book that name nah, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES call our own version:
"New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures"
So go and ask your pastors why they are calling the book Bible not me!

what is this in the pix below

Verbtips:
how is jesus GOD

scripture says so.

MaxInDHouse:
If you can't find the word TRINITY in any verse of the Bible then your argument should be on the bench since your Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures!

So can you also show me the Word bible in the bible?

chatinent:
So you didn't see the "with" in your statement?

Secondly, creation through Jesus Christ didn't means Jesus is God. It can also mean Jesus accompanied his father to create things. Shebi Bible say he was the firstborn of all creation? (Colossians 1:15, 18). If he was the first creation, tor, he was there in the beginning and John's verse in 1v1 makes more sense.

Even Hebrews 1:6; 12:23 and the cited scriptures above clearly explained that Jesus was created.

My question to you: was God created?

Why are you jumping up and down?
Yes creation by Jesus mean he is God.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Col
Furthermore, John 1 said without Jesus nothing that was made would be made.

Col 1 : 17 said he is before all things Furthermore, first born does not mean first created, it means he is preferred over all creation.
And lastly were did he say God or the word was created?

MaxInDHouse:
CHRISTIANS/JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
What is the difference?
JEHOVAH called all His faithful servants His WITNESSES:
“You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Isaiah 43:10
So from the time of Abel till the day of John the baptist JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have always proved to be unique even though they are in the midst of those worshiping the only true God. Do you remember Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?
They were Jews taken to Babylon with the rest of the worshipers of God but when everyone was scared to stand out Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego stood on their ground prepared to die for their faith.
Jesus is the prophet God foretold right from the beginning {Genesis 3:15} who will destroy the works of the devil by exposing all his tricks and teaching people how to gain salvation {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so the time Jesus walked the earth all those attracted to him by God's word {John 6:44} to learn from him and practice what Jesus taught are called "CHRISTIANS" but those sticking to what Jesus taught against all odds are the unique ones who stood out like their kind before them: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So just as some worshipers of God in ancient times turned their backs on pure worship a Christian too may turn back from following the Way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} but a Witness of Jehovah will never ever turn back no matter what happens! John 6:68; Romans 8:37-39

So Jehovah witness are not Christians thanks for admitting it.
Every cult has one story or the other to say in other to lay claim to pure worship.
The followers of Jesus were called Christians thanks for making it clear thatyou don't follow Jesus christ.

chatinent:
You mean it makes sense because it was interpreted to you that way?

interpreted by whom?

chatinent:
John 1:1: in the beginning was the world, and the world was with God and the same word was God? Sth that was with sth later became that thing.


Una confuse sha. Translators go whine you but no panic ..I got you.


Even Jesus said he is not God here: John 14:28.

you are the confuse one, where did it say the word came to be with God later?
John is telling you in the beginning before creation began the was present, the word was with God and the Word was God.
John literally said everything created was created through Jesus meaning he is God.
Where in John 14 :28 tell Jesus isn't God?
Just say you are confused.

chatinent:
Be honest. Does this statement of yours make sense?

So it is not about what scripture teaches but what makes sense to you?
So anything that does not makes sense to you is false?
As for your question, yes it makes sense because the bible teaches it.

MaxInDHouse:
Please where is TRINITY found in the Bible?

The word is not there but scripture literally teaches God is more than one person.
Eg Gen 1 vv 26

chatinent:
You are Catholic so that ideology would make sense to you.


But you see John 3:16? It says God sent his only begotten son... not God came in the body of a human.


Second, the holy spirit is a person too?

The doctrine of trinity has so many flaws.

So only catholics believe in the Trinity? John 1 :1 already told you Jesus is God.
Can you sin against a non person? Yet Jesus said people can sin against the Holy Spirit. Matt 12 vv 31
The Holy Spirit can have grief. Eph 4 vv 30
The Holy Spirit speaks. Acts 13 vv2
Jesus placed the holy Spirit alongside the father. Mathew 28 :19

Dtruthspeaker:
True, the bible in deed said this.

But lo, those passages also show that , there are certain conditions that must first be fulfilled before a person can be crowned and promoted "son of God.

what are those conditions?