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MissOpe:
Don't mind people of such contradictory faith, their only reason for accepting God is cos of fear of torment in hell, however I think without religion, human race would have got extinct or woulda be in extreme chaos .....

If human race is just mindless atoms and molecules interacting with other molecules then the survival of human race means nothing.
Listen if you are just a mindless combination of molecules and atoms then you have no inherent value but we know that is not true, human value goes beyond what the body.

MissOpe:
If God exists , who created God?
If Nobody created God, then nobody created Man and the other things of nature.
Everything just happened like the big band theory claimed.

God by definition is uncreated, he is spaceless, timeless and immaterial. Evidence have shown that the universe (space time) had an origin. The material universe had an origin and it will so end, evidence have shown it.

The Big Bang theory does not say things happen themselves, scientist simply say they don't know what caused the big bang.

MissOpe:
But is it man's fault that he's proud or arrogant naturally?
Naturally, he made man so evil and animalistic in nature, you now told him to be humble and good and run away from evil , the same evil you made so dominant in him..
Then you threaten him that if he does that evil , he will burn in fire for ever.
I think God tempted us in the first place and not the other way round...He should worship me and not me worshipping him.

God didn't create man evil, man can do both good or evil.

Spirit7957:
They will tell you that there are many rooms in my father's house in heaven and they struggling to pay house rent on earth
Thats Danny my guyyy..

Be giving those oversabi Christians sleepless nights.
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I don't know if there's a God or not.
But it's obvious it/he/she does not interfere in the affairs of men.
No special benefits whatsoever for believing in the existence of a God.

As a Nigerian,you'd still fail exams if u do not prepare well. You'd still fail interviews with no proper connections. You'd still fall sick, get involved in accidents that may even claim your life, get kidnapped and die gruesome death.

I ask,what's that special benefit do believers actually get from their so call relationships with god

believe in the existence does not put food on your table or pay your house rent. You have to work and exercise your knowledge to make money.
One of the problem especially in Africa and specifically in Nigeria is that we think that belief in God should be of our material benefit.

Krismas:
a time is coming, god will be completely exposed as the greatest FRAUD ever invented by white man, to scam blacks.
people worship god, cos they want unmerited favours, they want something for nothing, they want miracle, they want a scenario where their actions will suffer no retribution. they want to give N200 and recieve N1,000,000. whats diff between this and MMM? or ponzi? or even bet9ja?they are all deceiving themselves. god is scam

How can a fact become scam. Is the existence of sun a scam? What if someone does not believe the sun exist does it somehow mean the sun does not exist?
Your belief or non belief has has no impact on the fact that God exist.

ReacherSaidNoth:
God is a scam. Imagine claiming to have created everything but the only place people can find you is in a silly storybook.

Yahweh worshippers, if the white man did not force your weak ancestors to follow his religion, how would you have come to believe all the imaginary nonsense fed to you as truth?

God is not white or black God is a Spirit. He is invisible

Eriokanmi:
What is this one spewing? You're telling who there's no God? Smh!

Who tells you that you can fall sick even if you trust or believe God? White lies. I can't remember the last time I took paracetamol, talk more of any drugs. I am AA by genotype and O+ by blood group. We're susceptible to malaria and other common ailments. I'm a believer of God. He's proven His existence to me tines without number. I've heard him speak and it was real what He said.

The first time I ever experienced this was when He told me I'd be rusticated from an exam hall during our last paper before graduation. I was like, how would this happen? Me wey be bookworm? I knelt down and prayed fervently to rebuke it.

On the day it happened, it was in the same hall He showed me in the vision, same lecturer who caught me in that vision was staying in same location, wearing same cloth. There was one guy who was disturbing me behind my seat, asking me to show him a particular number I had treated. I asked him to wait but he was restless. He now said he'd send me those numbers he did and before I said jack, he had sent me the expo. That instant, something brought that vision back to my memory and suddenly 5 invigilators walked in, checking our answers booklets page by page, shaking it wildly in case something hidden would drop and I was 4th on the row, the lecturer standing by the wall was watching and the espo the guy gave me was hidden in-between my booklet.

The moment they got to number 3 on that row, I carefully squeezed the paper and wildly threw it underneath the bench backwards. They rushed at me, I told them my pen fell and I picked it up, I was asked to step oirside the bench. They searched everywhere but the saw nothing. I was asked to remain standing for a few minutes. The moment I was asked to sit down, I couldn't write further I just submitted and left to thank God. The monemt I was rushed at, the lecturer standing by the window said you! Stand up...he caught someone else instead of me and the guy was rusticated. If you're close to God, you'd know He truly exists. But when you keep knacking women upandan, drinking all manner of liquor and taking drugs,, indulging in night clubs and bad things which God frowned at, you won't see His face except you truly repent

I was to visit Europe one particular year but I didn't have money. The distributors meeting was so crucial to the growth of my ypung company so I went to observe 3 days fasting and prayer at the camp. On the 3rd day, 2 different customers who weren't owing me, to whom I didn't also sell any product credited my account , one did with almost half a million and the other did 325k. Na so I buy my ticket , travel . Over there in Germany, accommodation and feeding was free as arranged. When I came back, momey don enter account and one of the customers called and said they paid into my account in error. I refunded it with boldness and sahakara. After I had used the money to achieve my mission.

There are many benefits in knowing God. God exists and speaks to only those who are close to Him and believe Him. Only fools would say God doesn't exist. The bible says so.

Yes you can fall sick and experience hardship even if you believe in God, have you read the book of job? Do you know Elisha became sick before he died? Paul had eye issue, even advice Timothy not to drink too much water because of his health?
That someone experienece hardship is not because he doesn't believe in God or that God is not with him.

If there is no God then there is no good and evil, everything is just a matter of personal or collective opinion. So if someone like he can kill you it is his opinion, you can't say what boko haram/Islamic terrorists are doing is wrong, no body can determine wrong from right, survival for the fittest, might is right will be the order of the day.
You can't say that rape,murder, stealing, fraud etc are bad it all becomes a matter of personal preference.

Depends on your definition of perfection, if it is moral perfection then no one can be perfect except Jesus but if it is the perfection in one's walk in faith in God years.

Abraham, Noah etc were not perfect morally but were perfect in their walk with God.

It is all about control, preparing the control system for their master to take over.

PulsingPurple:
I love this response.

Faith — Hope — Love.

Love is the greatest, Faith is actually the least. Faith is like the prerequisite, the stepping stone.
God is Spirit and we are Flesh, Flesh can't see Spirit. It takes a certain amount of convincing to believe what you do not see, that's the only reason why it is a big deal.

After the initial Faith, you start to see so many evidences, and those evidences in turn continue to boost your faith.

🙌🏽

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ThatFairGuy1:
Idiots..


If I become king, I'll open my head thesame way In Masjidul Haram.

Is there anyone bigger than Allah?

Idiotic people

allah is an idol just like obatala, ogun etc
Mohammad inherited his father's idols and then focused on allah which is one of the chief gods of the kabaal.

DeusXmachina:
Belief
Noun
1. Mental acceptance of a claim as true.
"It's my belief that the thief is somebody known to us."
2.Faith or trust in the reality of something; often based upon one's own reasoning, trust in a claim, desire of actuality, and/or evidence considered.
"My belief is that there is a bear in the woods. Bill said he saw one.
Based on this data, it is our belief that X does not occur."

Faith
Noun
1.The process of forming or understanding abstractions, ideas, or beliefs, without empirical evidence, experience or observation

Belief or faith is considered the highest virtue in our 2 most prominent religions. Islam and Christianity.
To the point that only those who primarily believe in Christ and his death and resurrection are considered to have salvation in Christianity, and anyone else that doesn't 'believe' this faces damnation.

Something similar with Islam, in which belief in the Shahada, is the foundation to being a Muslim. That Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his last messenger, and only through 'belief' in this can one have to the mercy of Allah and avoid eternal damnation.

So my question is why is belief the highest virtue, why the God(s) of these religions place such emphasis on this, and not any other action.

Discuss.

In Christianity faith is not the highest virtue, it is love, love is the greatest.
By the way, in Christianity faith relies on evidence and faith itself becomes the evidence.

Don't confuse assurance of salvation with salvation itself, while it is necessary for all who claim that christ is their Lord or think they stand to make sure they are really standing or they are really in the faith, there is huge evidence in the bible that those who are truly saved will never lose their salvation.

paulpromise:
[THE KINGDOM OF GOD]
The lord took me to heaven, praise the lord, blessed be the lord, God of Israel from everlasting and to everlasting. Amen and Amen.(psalm 41:13)when we get to heaven, I could saw, it was very, very beautiful, the ground is like a mirror, I was very happy and i have this thought in me that i will never leave the place. I could head the beautiful voice of the angels praising. God (psalm 1o3:1-3)and the lord told me, tell my people, my kingdom is very real, blessed are those who inherit it, i could saw many beautiful flowers, very great and precious(psalm119:129-135)

THE TREE OF LIFE]
And the lord took me to a place in heaven behold i saw the tree of life afar, it was very beautiful and shinning like a gold.(Revelation 22:2) and the lord told me, i preserved this tree of life for my people, tell them that blessed are they that keep my commandment, that they may have right to the tree of life.(Revelation 22:14) and we left the place.

[THE CHILDREN THAT WOMEN ABORTED]
The lord took me to a very big hall in heaven, and i saw many little children, they were filled with the glory of God and they were praising God.(psalm 86:11-13) and the lord told me "This are the children that women aborted on earth, they belong to me and they will be in my glorious kingdom."(Psalm89:1-2)and we left the place.

[ANGEL GABRIEL VISITATION]
While the lord was speaking with me, behold i saw an angel, he was handsome and tall, he has a crown on his head, and the lord told me "It is angel Gabriel" i was very happy to meet him and the lord told him to take me to many place in heaven so that i will tell others.

[KING DAVID IN HEAVEN]
Angel Gabriel took me to a place in heaven, behold I saw a very big house in heaven, and Angel Gabriel told me that "It was the house of king David" and i told him I want to see king David face to face and he took me and we enter his room, and behold i saw king David, he was praising God with psalms and he was dancing for God.(psalm 34:1-6) and i greeted him and he called my name "Senayon,you are welcome" i was very surprise of how he knew my name and he began to tell me that "Senayon,you no longer praised God, you never want to danced for God, when you praise God and you dance for him, his grace will be closer to you". And i asked him 'how do you know this?, do you saw me on earth? Or you are awarded of my life on earth? And he laughed and said "I speak not on my own" and i later discovered it was God that was talking to me through him. And he gave me a small book and said "eat it, eat it", and when i ate the book, then i began to said "I am thirsty, I am thirsty" because i was very thirsty and they gave me the blood of Jesus Christ to drink, and when i drank it, behold i was shaken as if i was feeling cold, For more than five minute, but angel gabriel and king David just knee down saying "Glory be to God"(psalm 29:1-11) while i was still shaken, and when i stopped shaken, king David told me that "Now you will praise God and dance for him, tell the people to praise the almighty and his grace will be closer to them".
And angel Gabriel told me "Senayon,you have to see many thing here, let us go". But i said 'No, I don’t want to leave king David, please'. But he never listened to me and we left king David house.

[PROPHET ELIJAH HOUSE]
Angel Gabriel took me to another place in heaven, and I saw another big house and it was very beautiful, and angel Gabriel told me "It was the house of prophet Elijah", i was very happy and i said "i want to see him" and angel Gabriel took me to the house and behold i saw a very young man, he was very handsome and he said " Senayon, welcom", i was very happy to saw him, and i said " You are very powerful on earth, i have read about you in the Bible", but he said "A fire is burning in your heart, you will be powerful than me". (2 Corinthians 10:4-5) and he told me many thing about me. And angel Gabriel told me "Senayon, we have to leave now because you have many thing to see here" and we left the place

[THE HOUSE OF APOSTLE PAUL]
Angel Gabriel took me to another place in heaven, and behold i saw a very big house in heaven, it was build with gold and was decorated with precious stone, and Angel Gabriel told me "It was the house of Apostle paul", and I said i wanted to see him, he was a model to many Christians, and angel gabriel took me to his house and behold i saw a very young man resting in a beautiful room and he said "Senayon, you are welcome, I am very happy to see you" i was just surprise how they knew my name, but they knew it because the glory of God was in them, there was no need for me to tell them my name before they know it. And he began to tell me his life story in the book of Acts 8:1-4, Acts 9:1-31, and at the end he said "I make used of the grace that Jesus gave to me and i never make it useless". And he gave me a small book and said "eat it, eat it" and when i ate it, i never thirst for any thing because it was so sweet, and Apostle Paul said "Now you will preach
the gospel and teach the testimonies of Jesus christ, you will teach some of my epistles that i have not yet written out"(Romans 8:35-39) and angel Gabriel and apostle paul was just praising God.(Romans 4:20-25) (2 Corinthians 5:13-18) and we left the place, i was very happy because heaven is so beautiful and it was full of the glory of God.(Revelation 21:18).

[THE HOUSE OF FATHER ABRAHAM]
Then angel Gabriel took me to a place in heaven, and i saw another big house and very beautiful and decorated with precious stone and flowers, and angel Gabriel told me, it was the house of father Abraham. And i told angel Gabriel to took me there because i want to see him. And angel Gabriel took me there and when i saw father Abraham i said "father of faith, father of faith" and he just began to advise me about my life, he told me many thing, "YOU MUST HAVE FAITH IN WHATEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER" AND BE PATIENT IN EVERY SITUATION".(Jeremiah 33:3)(Matthew 17:20) "faith is real.(Matthew 21:21-22) and we left the place

[SEVEN ANGEL WITH TRUMPET AND WITH FIVE ANGEL DANCING]
Angel Gabriel took me to a place in heaven, behold i saw five angels they were dancing with joy, and i saw seven angel with trumpet. And i asked angel Gabriel to tell me about the mission or work of those angel? And angel Gabriel told me that "If a soul gave his life to Jesus Christ, then those seven angel will blow their trumpet as a sign that one soul has repented, and those five angel will be dancing and the whole heaven will rejoiced. And also if a soul make heaven then the seven angel will blow their trumpet and every angels in heaven will be celebrating for that soul"(luke 15:7) there is a great joy in heaven over a soul that repented.(Luke 15:10).

[THE OVERCOMERS]
Angel Gabriel took me to a place, it was a very big hall, and angel Gabriel gave me a sword to lifted it up and when i did that, behold, i found my self in a battle field, I saw many people, countless people, they were chained down. And i saw many demons, they were the one that chained those people, and i saw some people, they put on the armour of war and at their back was written 'THE OVERCOMERS' they were fighting the demons in other to set those people that were chained down free, and if they set any one free, the person will run into a room called 'THE SECRET PLACE OF THE MOST HIGH'. And i asked angel Gabriel to interpreted it for me and he said " The over comers are the real Christians (1 john 5:4-5) and those who were chained down were the sinners, and those demons are the Assign demon on a mission to take those sinners to hell fire (1 peter 5:8-9) fighting the demons in charge of that sinner means 'preaching for the sinners and praying for them', the room they ran to, to be safe is JESUS CHRIST.(Matthew 11:28-30) and that was why is called 'THE SECRET PLACE OF THE MOST HIGH'(psalm 91:1)". You must pray hard so that God may deliver you from the demon on a mission to take you to the pit of hell fire.

[THE SANCTIFICATION]
Angel Gabriel took me to a place in heaven, it was very beautiful, it was decorated with pure gold, the ground was a transparent glass, many great beautiful flowers, and precious stone, and i saw a gold fixed up and i told angel Gabriel that i want to touched that gold that was fixed up. And angel Gabriel carried me on his shoulder, and i began to touched those gold that was fixed up. And i told angel Gabriel that i don’t want to leave that place, i was crying because the place was so showy(Revelation 21:18-19) but angel Gabriel told me that "No, you have many thing to see here and is very important that you see them" and i told angel Gabriel that "please i don’t want to live a worldly life, please do something about it" and angel Gabriel said "Senayon,come let us go" and we left the place and went to the pool of the blood of Jesus christ. And angel Gabriel asked me "Senayon, do you remember this place?" and i said "yes, I saw this pool of blood in my first encounter with Jesus Christ" and angel Gabriel said "Yes you are right", and we were standing there more than five minute but he did not utter a single word to me. And suddenly, i saw a pure light in blue colour, it came there and carried me into the pool of blood, and an invisible hand was washing me thoroughly in the pool of blood, it pains me and i was crying and begged angel Gabriel to took me out but he just knee down and said "glory be unto God, from everlasting to everlasting, the king of kings and the awesome God"(psalm 95:1-6) and behold, i saw my earthly body on bed, and something dark was rushing out of my body and i was surprise that such a thing live in my body.(psalm 51:12-15) and when the invisible hand was through washing me and that pure light took me out of the pool of blood.(psalm 51:8-11) and behold i heard a loud voice, it sound like a thunder saying "Now you will remember what you saw here and you will live as I want, you are no more an ordinary man because i have sanctified you" and that voice began to talked to me about a brother that trained me up in the way of the Lord, his name is IJAWJAW EAMON MARK, the lord told me many thing about him that he will fulfilled his covenant upon him and he has given him the garment of perfection. And the voice told me many thing about many people. And i told angel Gabriel that "please i want to see the person that am hearing his voice" and angel Gabriel told me "i don’t have the power to take you there, but follow me" and we left the place.
[THE THRONE OF THE FATHER]
Angel Gabriel took me back to Jesus Christ and he explained to Jesus Christ that I wanted to see the father and i now get it that it was the father that was talking to me in the pool of blood. And Jesus smile and held my hand saying "Do you want to see the father?" and i said 'yes' and on our way to the place, we pass through a hall and i saw many angels, they will sudden knee down and said "GLORY BE TO GOD"(Psalm 84:11) and when we get out of the hall, behold i saw a powerful light on a throne, it was light like a fire that was burning, we were so far, many miles far from the throne, and it was like i want to fall down, I dont have any strength to walk towards the throne any more and i just began to begged the lord saying "please take me back" and Jesus said "That is the father, don’t you want to see him AGAIN?" and i said "yes, please, please, I want to die, I can not breath right again" and Jesus smile and took me back to angel Gabriel.
[THE BOOKS BEFORE THE ANGEL]
Angel Gabriel took me to a place in heaven, and we entered a big room, then i saw some group of angels, they were writing names, and also erasing some names from the books, but i was given opportunity to visit four of those angels. And i asked angel Gabriel to explained every thing to he and me smile. The first angel i contact was the angel in charge of the book of life. And angel Gabriel said "This book, is the book that contain the name of the new born again Christian and also the name of the real Christians and the name of the saved people"(Revelation 3:5) and i asked him to tell me the reason why the angel was erasing some names and putting another name, and he said "Those are the backsliders"(Revelation 2:4-5) and i said "do you mean, their name will be erased for ever from the book of life?' and he smile and said "NO, this is the holy book and it can not contain the name of the sinners" and I said 'tell me where those name the angel erased will be written? And he me to another angel, and the angel too was writing some names and erasing some names. And angel Gabriel said "This is the backsliders book; it contain the name of those who turned away from the lord, and the reason the angel was erasing some names, is because, any backslider that come back to the Lord, his name will be written back into the book of life(Revelation 20:15) and the name he was writing back is the name of the backsliders(Jeremiah 3:22). And he took me o another angel, the angel was working so hard, but he was only writing names but not erasing names. And angel Gabriel said "This book is the book that contain the names of those who ended up to hell fire in every day, and is called 'The condemnation book'' and angel Gabriel told me "The names will only be written only if a sinners died without haven Jesus Christ in their life"(Revelation 20:12). And we left the place. And angel Gabriel took me to another angel, he was only writing names but not erased names. And angel Gabriel said "This book is the book that contain the name of those who pay their tithe(Malachi 3:8-12). And that angel that was writing the name shout "He has paid, he has paid" and immediately I saw an angel, he came there and open a beautiful room and in that room was many precious gold in a box, and the angel entered the room and took one of those precious gold and went away. And i told angel gabriel to tell me what was inside the box that the angel took away, and angel Gabriel said "YES,IT IS THE GREAT BLESSING OF THE LORD TO ANY ONE THAT PAID HIS TITHE FAITHFULLY"(Obadiah 1:15) and we left the place.

He said " Paul said he would teach what he has not written"
Here is what the scripture has to say.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Anybody that simply comes and preach what the apostles have not preached is cursed.

Paul said any man that reads his epistles would understand his knowledge of the mystery of Christ.

Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Livingdeath:
hey guys,I need advice. recently I have been reading the Bible alot...as in alot,and I have seen the many commandents the Catholic church is breaking....so I left.But I am really scared on telling my Mum and Dad about it. any advice?(am in university yr 2)

becareful, check the doctrine and teachings of any church if it is indeed scriptural before joining them.
I thank God your eyes are open to some of the errors of Roman catholicism.
For your parents continue to be obedient towards them, lovingly point them to christ as the ultimate and all sufficient saviour. Lead them in prayers and show good examples and very soon they would join you.

Sand2022:
You should be arguing with someone else then. My earlier point you started to attack has this the main point. The words of Jeremiah was not viewed as inspired by the religious leaders of his day. But now, it is. The same is true of God's prophets today. The point is that rejection of prophets when they are alive is common. It didn't start today. If this is not important, then leave my comments alone. That is one of the proof of my comment you were responding to.[/b]

Even if according to you, they didn't initially accepted Jeremiah's message as inspired but they later did, because it meets the requirement for scripture.

Go and.make.research my friend.

you should make that research. You seem to to think any book could be called scripture.

See your comment that made me reply that:



That was the comment oga. Stop giving me more work. Then you now said something in your comment below that contradict this your comment above, see below.



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This comment is not for me



In your comment above, you said:

"in the new testament the scripture are written by the apostles."

Now you're saying that it was written by both the apostles and those who were with the apostles.

You're giving me more work oga.

the apostles didn't set any new testament canon. They just wrote their letters, it was still others who loved God that assembled these books and declare them canon. The time it was accepted as canon was not the time God started viewing them as inspired. As they spoke the word from God, it was inspired from then.

I think you should research this subject well, and stop creating work for me abeg

let me make it as simple as possible.
What is the scripture ?
In crhistianity it is a book or books of authority for teaching doctrine and for correction.
However, teachings , and doctrine comes through the apostles ( for the new testament) and prophets ( for the old testament).
Canonization means searching and putting together books written by the prophets and apostles. For the old testament, it the books which were written by the prophets or which contains the teachings of the prophets were already known and preserved by the jews, even if at the time of the prophets they were not accepted but the writings of the rejected prophets were laterfound to be scriptures as it meets the requirements of a book by a true prophet.

each that the Gospel of St Luke was actually the Gospel of Saint Paul; that this apostle had dictated it to St. Luke, and that when he speaks of his gospel, as in Romans 11:16 and 16:25 and Thessalonians 11:12, he means the Gospel of Luke.

The apocryphals do not meet the requirement.

AbuTwins:
How is that related to Jacob in the Bible and the Qur'an?

If you have nothing to input here it's better to go and sleep bro!

Holy spirit has lost network!

Why are you dodging your pedophile prophet.

😂Allah that cannot have a son without a girl friend, Mary is greater than Allah, she could conceive without a man. Stupid prophet Mohammad and his useless idol allah.

AbuTwins:
Jacob is the English translation of course! Arabic is Ya'qub, Hebrew is Ya'akov!

Of what use is that? The Qur'an is not a history book. As i said in the final statements of the post, the Qur'an is Allah-focused not people focused!

How do you know it is truthfully telling you anything? The fact is that Jacob is portrayed as a sissy! God's blessings can be snatched by deceit. Even Isaac and Rebekah were poor role models unbefitting of a Godly family!

You need proof to make this assertion and you have none! Abraham's son Isaac was a Prophet in Islam as well as Jacob and then Joseph. They were all good role models in Islam. Biblically they are mostly poor role models!


Let's say you are aggrieved but you shouldn't cry here! Falsehood is falsehood. The Old Testament was not even written by Moses!
The first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) are traditionally attributed to Moses. However, modern scholarship suggests that these books are a compilation of multiple sources known as the JEDP sources (Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, Priestly sources).

Make i hold up small!

So a prophet that raped a 9 years old girl is the example of a godly man, abi?

AbuTwins:
The same verse i quoted earlier! Let me make it bold! Use your glasses now!

2. In Genesis 11:32, it mentions that Terah lived to be 205 years old and then he died in Haran.

four verses later Abraham left Haran!

3. Genesis 12:4 states that Abraham was 75 years old when he departed from Haran.

There is nothing here that suggest Abraham left after his father died.

AbuTwins:
It's in the context!

2. In Genesis 11:32, it mentions that Terah lived to be 205 years old and then he died in Haran.

four verses later Abraham left Haran!

3. Genesis 12:4 states that Abraham was 75 years old when he departed from Haran.

So which context told you Abraham's father was dead before he left?

AbuTwins:
The calculation regarding the age of Terah when he fathered Abraham is done by comparing the ages and lifespans of the individuals mentioned in the genealogy provided in Genesis.

1. According to Genesis 11:26, Terah was 70 years old when he fathered Abraham, Nahor, and Haran.
2. In Genesis 11:32, it mentions that Terah lived to be 205 years old and then he died in Haran.
3. Genesis 12:4 states that Abraham was 75 years old when he departed from Haran.

By subtracting the age of Terah when he fathered Abraham (70) from the total years of Terah's life (205), we get 205 - 70 = 135 years. This would mean that Terah lived for 135 years after the birth of Abraham. However, since Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran after Terah's death, it implies that Terah must have been at least 130 years old when he died (135 years after Abraham's birth), which is inconsistent with the information given in the genealogy. This discrepancy suggests a copyist error in the text.

Abraham should have been at least 135 years old when his father died but the Bible claimed he was 75 years!


How do we explain this mathematically?

Where was it written that, Abraham's father was dead when he left?

Sand2022:
The part I bolded is the main point. Not ALL accepted Jeremiah as a true prophet when he was alive. All the other things you wrote there is not the issue at stake. I didn't object to any of that.

All accepted Jeremiah as a true prophet, it does not matter whether it is before his death or after his death.

You seem to lack knowledge of the argument that accompanied the bible's canonization. You need to make research about this. It is well known fact that some books in the bible were not all accepted as inspired. Even Martin Luther Zwingli, Calvin all had issues with the book of Revelation.

what were the issues? The only issue they had initially was that they were not sure of its author.

Ok, I wonder how that helps your point. If you believe that a statement can be inspired but didn't make it into the bible, you're closer to my point. Well done.

an inspired statement does not mean it should be part of scripture.
Scriptures were written by prophets and apostles of christ.

Well Jesus still has prophets today.




I don't even know how all these address my post. Did I argue any of that?

It was the old testament prophets that wrote scriptures, in the new testament the scripture are written by the apostles not prophets. The old testament has already be fulfilled nothing can be added.

Ok, at the time of Jesus. So you agree that prior to that time, there were some issues right?

But how about the saducees and the Samaritans? Which books did they consider authoritative?

they considered the old testament authoritative, Jesus quoted the book of Isaiah in the temple in the midst of the jews.

Again I don't know who you have in mind to write the above.

The point is, do you believe that some in Judaism of Jesus day considered these apocryphals as scripture? Do you think that the Jewish system considered Jesus, Peter, Paul etc as an inspired prophets of God?

No they do not recognize the apocryphals,

If no, then we are saying the same thing here. What you consider to be inspired today was not believed in at the time they were written. The persons we know to be God's prophets, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Jeremiah etc were not all agreed to be God's prophets the time they lived. Some even doubted Moses. That has always been the case. You can't expect a general acceptance. I will even say that majority never believed Christ when he was alive. It's the same today.

that is lie! canonization of scriptures is not a matter of individual opinion but on collective acceptance. Few people might disagree but the whole group agree on it. The Jewish nation collectively agreed on the old testament books we have today and the church collectively agreed on the new testament.

But the major point is that the acceptance and collection of these books as inspired word of God is not through a voice from heaven. God didn't tell anyone to collect this or that book. It was all through discussions and argument of which book should be viewed as authoritative or canonical. As for the inspiration of the words, it already had inspiration from the time God uttered those words to His servants, whether it is penned down or not.

actually christ gave the church that power.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Secondly, the 12 apostles which had authority to set doctrine for the entirely of the Christian church, if anybody would not accept it then he is not part of the body of christ.

So if God truly speaks to someone today, that word is inspired, it is God breathed, whether people accept it or not.

The writings of the 12 apostles are not the only inspired word of God. Luke and Mark, were not apostles nor predictive prophets. But there writings were considered inspired.

Nobody has the authority to do so, Luke and mark were with apostles and they were eye witnesses of the events that took place, for their books to be acceptable by the early Church it means the apostles approved of it.

FIRDAUS3:
Those pple you mentioned as boko Haram are Political Boko Haram

They were not guided by the Quran and they're not a Muslim.

It's prohibited 🚫 is Islam to kill an animal in unlawful manner not to talk of human being. The Political mischievous people sketch boko haram to public views as Muslims and they are not.

But your prophet command your to kill infidel wherever you find them.
Book haram are practicing the true Islam.

AbuTwins:
God is not a man! Anthropomorphism is false!

Numbers 23:19:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

1 Samuel 15:29:
"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."

Hosea 11:9:
"I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a human being—the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 44:6-20
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. Who then is like Me? Let him say so! Let him declare his case before Me, since I established an ancient people. Let him foretell the things to come, and what is to take place...

Jesus couldn't foretell the hour in Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Isaiah 55:8-9:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Psalm 50:21:
"These things you have done, and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you and lay the charge before you."

Job 9:32-33:
"For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. There is no arbiter between us, who might lay his hand on us both."

So God is not man and can never become man!

God does not change:

Psalm 55:19 -
"God will hear and answer them—Even the one who sits enthroned from of old— Selah. With whom there is no change, And who do not fear God."

Malachi 3:6 -
"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."

So when did the Lord Change?

God is not a man (the corrupt sinful man) that he should lie.
That does not mean he cannot be a man.

God does not change in the sense that his nature is unchangeable ( does not improve nor degrade in essence)

When God became man his divine essence didn't change.

Keep his commandments.

Sand2022:
It's true, the bible is an inspired book as the bible you quoted confirms. However, as for it's collection, I don't quite see how it is inspired. I will agree that God may have influenced one or two things as the collection is ongoing, but saying it is an inspired collection will leave us with many questions.

First, no where did the bible say that the collection work of inspired writing is inspired. The canon of the OT is likely decided on by the Great Synagogue as tradition have it. The bible didn't tell us that.

The Septuagint written by probably 72 Jews had many other writings in it called the Apocryphals. So what they considered inspired obviously is not what we consider inspired today esp the Protestants.

Even in Jesus day, the Saduccees didn't see the prophets as inspired. Eg, they wouldn't consider Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc as inspired.

The Jewish nation as a whole considered the books of the prophets and the law as inspired, and even Jesus himself considered them as scriptures. The jews might not immediately believe that Jeemiah was a prophet but subsequently they knew he was sent by God and all that he wrote were inspired when they came to pass.

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

You should know that scriptures have internal validation, meaning one Scripture often validate another scripture and there is a flow and internal consistency, canonization of scriptures right from inception has rules.

In the NT, there were many books under inspiration debate. At some point, the book of Peter, Revelation etc were not viewed as inspired by some christians. Im fact, it is possible to see those who do not view certain NT books as inspired as we do. There are many things Jesus said that were not part of the bible. But all those things he said were all inspired. So the bible you have is not a collection of all inspired words on earth. There are other NT writings that some christians view as inspired but which the Protestants reject.

There are no Christian who don't consider the book of Peter and revelation as scripture today, in the time past all of the church consider what we have today as scripture so it's not new.

So the bible you have, that is, the 66 books, were just a collection of what is perceived by many to be inspired. God didn't speak from heaven to mention which book is inspired and which is not. Servants of God who love His word are the ones who made the collections. There are many many inspired statements that didn't make the cut.

That statement are inspired does not mean it scripture, a scripture is an inspired writing by holy men.

You're correct. The exception is if there is new revelation from God.

what new revelation? Apostle Peter already seal it up for the church.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

The only words that church should be mindful of, is that of the prophets and apostles of Jesus.

Lol. God's prophets were often rejected by people who lived during there time.

Example. Jeremiah himself recorded;

Jer 20:
Now Pashʹhur the son of Imʹmer, the priest, who was also the leading commissioner in the house of Jehovah, was listening when Jeremiah prophesied these things. 2 Then Pashʹhur struck Jeremiah the prophet and put him in the stocks that were at the Upper Gate of Benjamin, which was in the house of Jehovah"

These man was a leading commissioner. But he didn't believe Jeremiah to be a prophet from God. You can also read Jeremiah chapter 26 and see what happened there.

People of God often reject his prophets when they say a message that is unpopular, a message that sounds different in their ears.

It was not only Jesus that the Jewish community rejected, they also rejected John the Baptist, Paul, Peter etc. so don't see it as strange when today people reject God's prophets, even those who fear God. That has been the way it is. It is often many years, I mean several years do people start to recognize that so and so was actually speaking from God. And in most cases, but the prophet and his generation had long died. But that is very dangerous because God wouldn't overlook those who reject His prophets. They are His mouthpiece.

Daniel himself recognized the jerimaiah books as scripture, the angel of God sent to Daniel also acknowledged jerimiah writings as scripture, above all Jesus christ acknowledged Jeremiah along with all the other prophets including Moses as scripture.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Jesus read Moses and the prophets to the jews, meaning the jews themselves acknowledged them as scriptures.

The old testament was already settled at the time of Jesus, in fact there was little or no controversy as to what scriptures are at the time of Jesus.
Apocryphals were never recognized by christ and the apostles.
Meanwhile for the new testament, the apostle laid the foundations.

Scripture is very clear, the foundation of the church is built upon the apostles (12 apsotles) and prophets with Jesus being the chef corner stone, no other person has the authority to write a scripture.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

AbuTwins:
When did God give it to man?

When Satan wanted to tempt Job he first went to whine God first!

When did God give man the authority?

Genesis 1 vv 28.

Satan went to God because God was protecting Job.

AbuTwins:
It does remove some trinity verses!

Trinity is false!

It does not, at all. There are tons of scripture that support the Trinity.

AbuTwins:
It is not minor errors!

These are five out of the many examples of verses that have been changed or modified in newer translations like the Revised Standard Version (RSV) or New International Version (NIV) compared to the King James Version (KJV), along with brief reasons for the changes:

1. Matthew 6:13:
KJV: "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
RSV, NIV: This part is omitted in many modern translations as it is not found in some of the earliest manuscripts.

2. Acts 8:37:
KJV: This verse is present in the KJV but omitted in many modern translations due to textual variations in early manuscripts.
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

3. 1 John 5:7-8:
KJV: Contains the "Johannine Comma" ("For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." which is missing in modern translations as it is not found in early Greek manuscripts.

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

4. Mark 16:9-20:
KJV: The ending of Mark's Gospel in the KJV includes verses 9-20, but many modern translations note that these verses are absent in some of the oldest manuscripts.

5. Luke 17:36:
KJV: This verse is present in the KJV but omitted in modern translations due to textual uncertainties and variations in manuscripts.

This shows how varied the Bible could be according to particular translations!

It is still minor as it does not change the overall message of the passage.

AbuTwins:
KJV? Lol!

You lied!

KJV has serious defects among all the popular Bible translations!

You can read the attached preface to the RSV Bible for proof!

actually the manuscript used by kjv and the ones found later has little or no difference, just minute difference. The use of "grave errors" to describe kjv by the translators of rsv is uncalled for and overstretched, the reason they believed kjv contains errors is because of English used by kjv is ancient and many words cannot be properly understood in the modern context.
As for that verse you said there was contradictions there were no contradiction and I repeat the kjv and some few translations are closer to the word for word translation.