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Sand2022:
The part I bolded is the main point. Not ALL accepted Jeremiah as a true prophet when he was alive. All the other things you wrote there is not the issue at stake. I didn't object to any of that.

All accepted Jeremiah as a true prophet, it does not matter whether it is before his death or after his death.

You seem to lack knowledge of the argument that accompanied the bible's canonization. You need to make research about this. It is well known fact that some books in the bible were not all accepted as inspired. Even Martin Luther Zwingli, Calvin all had issues with the book of Revelation.

what were the issues? The only issue they had initially was that they were not sure of its author.

Ok, I wonder how that helps your point. If you believe that a statement can be inspired but didn't make it into the bible, you're closer to my point. Well done.

an inspired statement does not mean it should be part of scripture.
Scriptures were written by prophets and apostles of christ.

Well Jesus still has prophets today.




I don't even know how all these address my post. Did I argue any of that?

It was the old testament prophets that wrote scriptures, in the new testament the scripture are written by the apostles not prophets. The old testament has already be fulfilled nothing can be added.

Ok, at the time of Jesus. So you agree that prior to that time, there were some issues right?

But how about the saducees and the Samaritans? Which books did they consider authoritative?

they considered the old testament authoritative, Jesus quoted the book of Isaiah in the temple in the midst of the jews.

Again I don't know who you have in mind to write the above.

The point is, do you believe that some in Judaism of Jesus day considered these apocryphals as scripture? Do you think that the Jewish system considered Jesus, Peter, Paul etc as an inspired prophets of God?

No they do not recognize the apocryphals,

If no, then we are saying the same thing here. What you consider to be inspired today was not believed in at the time they were written. The persons we know to be God's prophets, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Jeremiah etc were not all agreed to be God's prophets the time they lived. Some even doubted Moses. That has always been the case. You can't expect a general acceptance. I will even say that majority never believed Christ when he was alive. It's the same today.

that is lie! canonization of scriptures is not a matter of individual opinion but on collective acceptance. Few people might disagree but the whole group agree on it. The Jewish nation collectively agreed on the old testament books we have today and the church collectively agreed on the new testament.

But the major point is that the acceptance and collection of these books as inspired word of God is not through a voice from heaven. God didn't tell anyone to collect this or that book. It was all through discussions and argument of which book should be viewed as authoritative or canonical. As for the inspiration of the words, it already had inspiration from the time God uttered those words to His servants, whether it is penned down or not.

actually christ gave the church that power.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Secondly, the 12 apostles which had authority to set doctrine for the entirely of the Christian church, if anybody would not accept it then he is not part of the body of christ.

So if God truly speaks to someone today, that word is inspired, it is God breathed, whether people accept it or not.

The writings of the 12 apostles are not the only inspired word of God. Luke and Mark, were not apostles nor predictive prophets. But there writings were considered inspired.

Nobody has the authority to do so, Luke and mark were with apostles and they were eye witnesses of the events that took place, for their books to be acceptable by the early Church it means the apostles approved of it.

FIRDAUS3:
Those pple you mentioned as boko Haram are Political Boko Haram

They were not guided by the Quran and they're not a Muslim.

It's prohibited 🚫 is Islam to kill an animal in unlawful manner not to talk of human being. The Political mischievous people sketch boko haram to public views as Muslims and they are not.

But your prophet command your to kill infidel wherever you find them.
Book haram are practicing the true Islam.

AbuTwins:
God is not a man! Anthropomorphism is false!

Numbers 23:19:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

1 Samuel 15:29:
"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."

Hosea 11:9:
"I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a human being—the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 44:6-20
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. Who then is like Me? Let him say so! Let him declare his case before Me, since I established an ancient people. Let him foretell the things to come, and what is to take place...

Jesus couldn't foretell the hour in Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Isaiah 55:8-9:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Psalm 50:21:
"These things you have done, and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you and lay the charge before you."

Job 9:32-33:
"For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. There is no arbiter between us, who might lay his hand on us both."

So God is not man and can never become man!

God does not change:

Psalm 55:19 -
"God will hear and answer them—Even the one who sits enthroned from of old— Selah. With whom there is no change, And who do not fear God."

Malachi 3:6 -
"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."

So when did the Lord Change?

God is not a man (the corrupt sinful man) that he should lie.
That does not mean he cannot be a man.

God does not change in the sense that his nature is unchangeable ( does not improve nor degrade in essence)

When God became man his divine essence didn't change.

Keep his commandments.

Sand2022:
It's true, the bible is an inspired book as the bible you quoted confirms. However, as for it's collection, I don't quite see how it is inspired. I will agree that God may have influenced one or two things as the collection is ongoing, but saying it is an inspired collection will leave us with many questions.

First, no where did the bible say that the collection work of inspired writing is inspired. The canon of the OT is likely decided on by the Great Synagogue as tradition have it. The bible didn't tell us that.

The Septuagint written by probably 72 Jews had many other writings in it called the Apocryphals. So what they considered inspired obviously is not what we consider inspired today esp the Protestants.

Even in Jesus day, the Saduccees didn't see the prophets as inspired. Eg, they wouldn't consider Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc as inspired.

The Jewish nation as a whole considered the books of the prophets and the law as inspired, and even Jesus himself considered them as scriptures. The jews might not immediately believe that Jeemiah was a prophet but subsequently they knew he was sent by God and all that he wrote were inspired when they came to pass.

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

You should know that scriptures have internal validation, meaning one Scripture often validate another scripture and there is a flow and internal consistency, canonization of scriptures right from inception has rules.

In the NT, there were many books under inspiration debate. At some point, the book of Peter, Revelation etc were not viewed as inspired by some christians. Im fact, it is possible to see those who do not view certain NT books as inspired as we do. There are many things Jesus said that were not part of the bible. But all those things he said were all inspired. So the bible you have is not a collection of all inspired words on earth. There are other NT writings that some christians view as inspired but which the Protestants reject.

There are no Christian who don't consider the book of Peter and revelation as scripture today, in the time past all of the church consider what we have today as scripture so it's not new.

So the bible you have, that is, the 66 books, were just a collection of what is perceived by many to be inspired. God didn't speak from heaven to mention which book is inspired and which is not. Servants of God who love His word are the ones who made the collections. There are many many inspired statements that didn't make the cut.

That statement are inspired does not mean it scripture, a scripture is an inspired writing by holy men.

You're correct. The exception is if there is new revelation from God.

what new revelation? Apostle Peter already seal it up for the church.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

The only words that church should be mindful of, is that of the prophets and apostles of Jesus.

Lol. God's prophets were often rejected by people who lived during there time.

Example. Jeremiah himself recorded;

Jer 20:
Now Pashʹhur the son of Imʹmer, the priest, who was also the leading commissioner in the house of Jehovah, was listening when Jeremiah prophesied these things. 2 Then Pashʹhur struck Jeremiah the prophet and put him in the stocks that were at the Upper Gate of Benjamin, which was in the house of Jehovah"

These man was a leading commissioner. But he didn't believe Jeremiah to be a prophet from God. You can also read Jeremiah chapter 26 and see what happened there.

People of God often reject his prophets when they say a message that is unpopular, a message that sounds different in their ears.

It was not only Jesus that the Jewish community rejected, they also rejected John the Baptist, Paul, Peter etc. so don't see it as strange when today people reject God's prophets, even those who fear God. That has been the way it is. It is often many years, I mean several years do people start to recognize that so and so was actually speaking from God. And in most cases, but the prophet and his generation had long died. But that is very dangerous because God wouldn't overlook those who reject His prophets. They are His mouthpiece.

Daniel himself recognized the jerimaiah books as scripture, the angel of God sent to Daniel also acknowledged jerimiah writings as scripture, above all Jesus christ acknowledged Jeremiah along with all the other prophets including Moses as scripture.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Jesus read Moses and the prophets to the jews, meaning the jews themselves acknowledged them as scriptures.

The old testament was already settled at the time of Jesus, in fact there was little or no controversy as to what scriptures are at the time of Jesus.
Apocryphals were never recognized by christ and the apostles.
Meanwhile for the new testament, the apostle laid the foundations.

Scripture is very clear, the foundation of the church is built upon the apostles (12 apsotles) and prophets with Jesus being the chef corner stone, no other person has the authority to write a scripture.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

AbuTwins:
When did God give it to man?

When Satan wanted to tempt Job he first went to whine God first!

When did God give man the authority?

Genesis 1 vv 28.

Satan went to God because God was protecting Job.

AbuTwins:
It does remove some trinity verses!

Trinity is false!

It does not, at all. There are tons of scripture that support the Trinity.

AbuTwins:
It is not minor errors!

These are five out of the many examples of verses that have been changed or modified in newer translations like the Revised Standard Version (RSV) or New International Version (NIV) compared to the King James Version (KJV), along with brief reasons for the changes:

1. Matthew 6:13:
KJV: "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
RSV, NIV: This part is omitted in many modern translations as it is not found in some of the earliest manuscripts.

2. Acts 8:37:
KJV: This verse is present in the KJV but omitted in many modern translations due to textual variations in early manuscripts.
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

3. 1 John 5:7-8:
KJV: Contains the "Johannine Comma" ("For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." which is missing in modern translations as it is not found in early Greek manuscripts.

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

4. Mark 16:9-20:
KJV: The ending of Mark's Gospel in the KJV includes verses 9-20, but many modern translations note that these verses are absent in some of the oldest manuscripts.

5. Luke 17:36:
KJV: This verse is present in the KJV but omitted in modern translations due to textual uncertainties and variations in manuscripts.

This shows how varied the Bible could be according to particular translations!

It is still minor as it does not change the overall message of the passage.

AbuTwins:
KJV? Lol!

You lied!

KJV has serious defects among all the popular Bible translations!

You can read the attached preface to the RSV Bible for proof!

actually the manuscript used by kjv and the ones found later has little or no difference, just minute difference. The use of "grave errors" to describe kjv by the translators of rsv is uncalled for and overstretched, the reason they believed kjv contains errors is because of English used by kjv is ancient and many words cannot be properly understood in the modern context.
As for that verse you said there was contradictions there were no contradiction and I repeat the kjv and some few translations are closer to the word for word translation.

Lucifyre:
Stupid?! Where's the christ likesness😂. Nah, mistaken identity bro. I'm sure that's what they called ur mother and her mother before her. Good job keeping and surpassing family tradition by been a grade A m0ron though, strong genes i guess. Interesting how u guys always come up with a strawman, go on a needless tangent or come up with extremely moronic analogies even
a retarded kid would know makes no sense.  Anyways lets peel and comb over the layers of your moronic dross.

you are looking for christlikeness, you fool. Christ calls people fools, you know nothing about christlikeness.

First off i like how u swerved on a tangent from the main argument when u knew u got nothing to defend it.

Thought u said it was just the amelekites?!

you just showed everyone that you are the slowpoke. I was speaking of during the time of Saul, there were other nations surrounding Israel, God didn't send Israel to destroy them but only the amalekite. That is what I meant.

Smooth brain! So u haven't even read what u defend mindlessly. And wtf is that analogy?! Government, guns...🤦🏽. Thats ur best, pity. Typical with the strong family genes though.
it's justice?! You don't say... Killing innocent children, women and even animals is jusitce, tearing children out of their pregnant mother's womb is justice, sexually assaulting women by checking if they're virgins after capturing em is nothing but justice, taking people's homes and disrupting their lives is justice. Need i more proof this is a grade A+ slowpoke.

I replied your statement, that " God said thou shall not kill, but yet commanded Israel to kill" by saying Government said you can't own guns yet, empowers some people to carry gun, going by your "moronic" logic the government are having double standard. Of course it flew over your head.
Didn't the amalekites attack Israel from "hindmost" I guess you don't know that the hindmost is where the weak,elderly,women and children are.

Deuteronomy 25:18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.

Again in your ignorance you don't know the amalekites wanted to destroy Israel.
So suddenly it is no longer justice to do to amalekites what they intended to do to Israelites and also demonstrated it towards Israel?
It is justice against the amalekites.

The women were not innocent as they are know to instigate their children or husband's, secondly, if the children are not eliminated they would continue from the parents the only just way is to wipe out the whole nation. Are you calling killing of animals injustice? You are dumb, so you eat meat or product from animals you are guilty of injustice against animals.

As for ur daft retort about Saul been killed by an amalekite... so ur god really punished him for empathy on King Agag and that's ur comeback, u r having a laugh right?!😄 Satan's definitely nicer then, oh i forgot, its justice. That's not even considering the contradictory mess of a text. 1 sam 31 paints a different contradictory story of Saul commiting suicide with his armor bearer after getting shot by an arrow, then gets decapitated by the philistines. So which account is it from this contradictory divinely inspired dross?!

it wasnt the amalekite that killed Saul, but it showed his heart disposition that he would have killed saul when oppotuinuty presnts itself, Haman that wanted to destroy Israel was a descendant to the king Saul speared.

Fot ur last daft point. Where men created having discharge?! Nope, means that man is ill but a woman who was designed that way by the same "god" in a natural process in the life cycle created by the same "god" to then be labelled unclean... oh! and ur storm god  YHVH somehow then changes his mind about those rules too, What a joke.

are you even a man, that you don't know men can have wet dreams? Or that men ejaculated during sex? Clown, I thought you said God was misogynistic but see you are confused when I showed you men with semen discharges are not also allowed.

Totally excluding people from certain positions is not the same as creating a category for them in certain positions but brain too smooth to recog that. Out of all the examples these were the only ones you could spring up a defence against?! disappointing it was a shallow one. The irony on top of it all is you would have been discriminated against as a black man with a big flat nose😄, lev 21 : 16 -20. That's if u weren't a slave first. Big joke propped up by burdensome jokers.

Cultic rituals?! What's that?! Don't u mean occultic🤔? Retard.

you are the retard, men with broken teeth, or disfigured body are not allowed to minister in the temple, also the priest must not shave their beards around the corners oh oh God must be discriminating against those set of people.
You are the that brought in cultic.

paxonel:
do you agree that this earth is already the kingdom like this?

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

The kingdom of God is already sown in this field that we are.

So this one that you are saying the earth will pass away is not true

No, the field is not the kingdom.
The gospel is the seed, the kingdom comes when the gospel has fully being preached on the earth.
The gospel is the mustard seed and the kingdom is the mustard tree that came out from the seed meaning the kingdom would come when the seed has fully being planted on earth.

paxonel:
Psalms 24:1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

So every message in church that tells you that your primary service to God is being a pastor, an Usher, a choir member, an evangelist, a keyboardist, a pulpit decorator, a man server, etc, is not of God.

This will just be a surprise to many Christians especially the conservatives.

When God created man, he asked them to replenish the earth and subdue it. He didn't ask them to engage in religious activities.
So you that has a profession and you are huzzling to make your money to keep your family, build your house and beautify your environment living in peace with your neighbour and engage in selecting a better ruler to govern you in order to provide basic infrastructures, jobs, aiming at a better economy that will impact positively to everyone, you are actually doing the primary assignment God has created you for.

And the good thing is, this primary assignment is not restricted to just one Sabbath day like every sundays. It is something you do everyday, just like your worship to God is everyday.

Leviticus 6:12 And the fire upon the altar shall be burning in it; it shall not be put out: and the priest shall burn wood on it every morning, and lay the burnt offering in order upon it; and he shall burn thereon the fat of the peace offerings.
Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.

No we prioritize the kingdom but we make use of this earth as a tool for the kingdom.

This earth will pass away but the church of Jesus christ will remain and reign forever, so a wise person will prioritize the kingdom of God.

AbuTwins:
The earth is of the Lord's but Paul said in 2 Cor 4:4 that Satan is the God of this world.

What is the sharing formula for God and Satan?

The earth is the LORD's but he has given man authority over it and man is suppose to submit to God as his head but instead they have given that authority to Satan and submitted to Satan as their head through sin hence Satan became the God of this world.

SpiritualWealth:
Which God Created Men With Female Reproductive Sex Organs ?



Growing Up As A Child Under The Religion And Indoctrination of Christianity; I Was Made To Believe That "Man Was Created in The Image of God".

The Same Christian Doctrine Makes Us Want To Believe That "Women Were Formed From The Ribs Of Men" After God Caused Many To Fall into A Deep Sleep.


So, We've All Assumed That God Created Just - MAN And WOMAN.



However; As We Grow Older - With The Aid of The TECHNOLOGY, INTERNET And NEWS; We Have Been Able To See That There Are Many "INTERSEXES" Amongst Us.


I Mean - There Are Millions of Men Born With Female Reproductive Organs (Vagi-na).

There Are Millions of Women Born With Men's Reproductive Organs (Pen-is) too.



Now,

You Want To Know The Funniest Part of All "These God Created Man in His Own Image" Lies and Misconceptions;


We're Being Made To Keep These TRUTHS From The Public.

We're Being Made To Keep Silence on The Issue That There Was Never Any God Who Created MAN in His Own Image Only To Remove His Rib To Create A Woman.



If You Still Fall in The Category of People Who Believe These Misconceptions; Well - Now Is Probably The Time For You To Think Things Through.



If You Fall in The Category of People Who Do Not Believe In This Blunder Creation Story of Humanity - I Want You To Be Rest Assured That You Are Not Alone.

You Are Sane.

And Nothing is Wrong With You.


You're Not Weird To Me, Even If You May Appear Weird To The People of The World.

You're Wired To Think Reasonably With FACTS of REALITY.


And Particularly - I Must Really Praise You if You Come From A Country Like Nigeria in Africa - Where The Minds of So Many People Are SHALLOW And YOKED To Religious Dogmas.

intersex is a defect just other defect.
You were told that God created male and female, were you not also told that sin entered into the world and as result every abnormality surfaced?
For example death, death was not path of the creation but came as a result of sin, human being were not suppose to eat flesh but now crave and eat flesh, Polygamy was not God's plan but it came as a result of the fall.

God created the world perfect but due to Adam's sin everything became imperfect.
But Jesus came to establish a new creation, if you repent and believe in Jesus you become part of that new creation that would replace this old one that is already fading away.

Ecclesiastes 10:8 He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.

An hedge is a barrier to prevent access in other to protect or to prevent escape.

From the story of Job, God set an hedge around job.

Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

God's word can can serve as a barrier to prevent us from putting oursef in harms way when we think we know better, we more smarter or intelligent, or more educated we can end up breaking that hedge.

The result of breaking an hedge is that the serpent will bite.
The serpent is the devil, he is waiting to do as much damage as opportunity present itself.
As serpent are very quick and many of them has venom, so is Satan, he is fast in taking opportunity, and his venom are doubting God's word, fear, rebellion, amongst others.
The serpent introduces his venom and leaves waiting for the damage to be done.

Once a church gives Satan an opportunity he introduce his venom, and that venom began to work slowly in the heart of those in that church, it leads people to question God, not trust God and rebel against God.

There are many ministers of Satan running around with great charismatic and oratory coupled with false signs, their mission is to subtly, without being detected inject Satan's venom into the body of christ, they mix lies with truth, as Christians it is our duty to resist the devil and expose every works of darkness. While we ourselves should be careful of fallen into those same errors we are saving others from.

Your question is like, "Help, I am a driver but I have never driven before"

AbuTwins:
Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

1 Samuel 13:1
1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

3. KING JAMES BIBLE
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

4. NET BIBLE
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

6. JPS TANAKH 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel

Questions
1. How old was Saul when he became King?
2. How long did he reign over Israel?

Emusan
Aemmyjah
MaxInDHouse

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people".

these are translations, which may sometimes conflict but however with he original manuscript so conflict could be resolved.
The original manuscript literally said Saul was a year old when he began to reign and then he reigned for two years, which from the other verses we know Saul was not literally one year old, the other alternative interpretation is that Saul was as a one year old when he began to reign and he reigned for two years.
The closest translation to the Hebrew manuscript is kjv.

You don't know anything about the translation of the Bible. Different translation uses different approach.

Daejumong:
Any lady who fails a virginity test on her wedding night will be stoned to death by a mob in front of her father’s house!!!

Deuteronomy 22, 13 -21 . New International Version

13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her
14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,”

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,

21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.
She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

This is a very cruel and inhumane law! Stone a lady to death in front of her dad’s house because she is not a virgin?
What of men that are not virgins on their wedding night? No punishment? They are allowed to sow their wild oats around and have the pleasure of multiple wives warming their beds!
Moses, the law giver, had two gorgeous women from different tribes! David had 8 wives and Solomon had a 1000 women! So the men can cheat and have multiple sexual partners but women are to be stoned to death for having a broken hymen! These guys treated women like animals!

Was this law , Moses’ personal idea to subjugate and dehumanise women! Was he trying to make women less powerful after seeing the power they wielded in Egypt?

Jesus will never support this! This is not from God because He never changes and Christ stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman!

Galatians 3:28, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus”

Males and females are All One in Christ Jesus!

Though Polygamy is not the perfect will of God but Polygamy is not adultery nor fornication. You are not making sense, The law was given by God to Moses pending when he would send christ.
The law is just and righteous, the same Paul you quoted stated that the law is good, holy and just.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


The non virgin that the law said should be stoned to death is the one that decieves her husband by pretending she is a virgin while she is not (lying).

The law teaches that every sin has a consequence and the ultimate consequence is death.
Galatians 3 vv 28 is talking about salvation, whether man or woman we are all sinners and need to turn to the Lord Jesus for salvation, rather than blaming others, a repentant heart would accept their sin and turn to the Lord but the unrepentant heart seek to justify itself and blame others and as a result not humbly turn to the Lord Jesus for salvation.
All who are in christ are equally saves no matter his or her gender, age, position, etc but in the church there are roles.

safarifarms:
Follow the trail of the messages to understand me better.

I don't see any mistake in what Paul wrote.
There is no correlation between Paul commending those women and they being leaders of the church.
Many women worked with Paul it does not mean they were leaders in the church.
You called Paul's statement when he said "the woman was the one decieved" as flimsy excuse why you yourself are the one offering filmsy excuse to throw off scripture.

Peter clearly stated
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This same Peter endorses Paul's letters as scripture.

The scriptures has to be rightly expanded, not twisting and denying it.

I have read all your submissions and they are watery.
When Paul said there is neither male and female in christ he s talking of salvation this is not talking of the different roles every Christian has. It is wrong to twist scripture to try to personal bias and sentiment.
Note Paul never says a woman can't evangelize, other serve in the ministry only she cannot usurp authority over a man in the church. A woman can lead and teach other women. Titus 2 vv 3 -4.

safarifarms:
1. There are several admonitions that came out of specific scenarios and doesn't necessarily mean they should be applied to all scenarios. In the book of Mark, Jesus queried why someone called him good and said no one is good except God.
Mark 10:18 (New International Version)
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Did Jesus really mean that he was not good?
In Matthew 28:19-20 and Mark 16:15-16, Jesus says "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all."
So would it mean that people who go teach as Jesus instructed can't be called Teachers?

The passage you are making reference to (Matt 23) says ;
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Jesus also said do not call anyone on earth 'father' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Would that mean you can't call your biological father 'father'? The context with which Jesus made that statement had to do with the teachers of the law and the Pharisees. The earlier part of the passage gives the context.

Matt 23
1. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

He was dealing with hypocrites who were not practicing what they were teaching. But he later instructed his disciples to teach everyone.

Jesus mainly taught for just 3 years and even said he has many things to say but his disciples didn't have the capacity to bear them at the time.
John 16:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV)
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

So there's more to just what Jesus while he was here.

So it's not only what Jesus teaches that should be listened to. However, while I'll typically take what Jesus says without looking for collaboration, I won't do same for what any ordinary human being says. The reason is, while Jesus is infallible, all men are fallible. We can see that come to play in the early Church where they initially believed everyone must be circumcised and also thought the Gospel was for the Jews only.

But then again the dispensation with which Jesus lived and taught was the dispensation of the Law which also influenced this teachings as the new testament did not yet come into effect.

Galatians 4:4 (New International Version)
4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law

Hebrews 9:16-17 (King James Version)
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The teachings of Paul and New Testament focused but then again these people (Paul and the other Apostles inclusive) did not fully understand the New testament at once and they initially mixed the two and kept making changes as their knowledge increased.

2. I won't agree with you about two types of salvation. Salvation is only by grace. But when you are saved, you are called to good works.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should walk in them.

Colossians 3:23-24
Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.

This portion says you should do the work having at the back of your mind that you will receive an inheritance not that it's the work that would bring the inheritance but that since an inheritance is waiting it should give you more encouragement to do it.

Titus 2:7 (NKJV)
7 in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility,

Titus 2:14 (NKJV)
14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Again this portion shows that all those whom he died for should be zealous for good works

Titus 3:8 (NKJV)
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.

Another emphasis that believers should maintain good works
In summary, God is love and whoever says he loves God should also love.

1 John 4:8,19,20
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.

So showing love is a fruit of salvation and not a way to salvation.

The Jews had the laws of Moses which was based on works but they couldn't obtain salvation out of it because they couldn't mix faith with it.


Heb 4: 2 (AMP)
For indeed we have had the good news [of salvation] preached to us, just as the Israelites also [when the good news of the promised land came to them]; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because it was not united with faith [in God] by those who heard.

The laws were meant to be kept out of faith (believe in God) but they tried keeping the laws without believing in God. But Jesus died and nailed the law to the cross so that part is taken away leaving only the part of faith for which we are saved by grace.

Colossians 2:14 (Living Bible)
14 and blotted out the charges proved against you, the list of his commandments which you had not obeyed. He took this list of sins and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ’s cross.

3 & 4: Like I said earlier, there was a context for which Paul held the views and made the suggestions he did at the time and he may not have been enlightened enough at the time. Even other Apostles changed their views on certain things after they got more understanding. This could be the reason he now worked with more women as seen by this salutation that had more women in the list.

I can't write off Paul's insightful teachings because of a few mistakes he made. And instead of what you termed Cherry picking, I believe in establishing doctrine at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses.
2 Corinthians 13:1
This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Like I said before, all men are fallible. So doctrine shouldn't be from one instance especially when it has to do with men.

For instance, Job after writing 41 chapters, in his last chapter he now wrote what looks like a disclaimer with regret for saying things he didn't know.

Job 42 (New International Version)
1. Then Job replied to the Lord: 2 “I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. 6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”

So what do I make of the 41 chapters that he wrote in his time of ignorance?

I always remind myself that even though the Bible was written by inspiration, they were actually written by men who are fallible.

On another note, I want to commend you for having a meaningful discussion devoid of insults or disrespect as often experienced with religious people who often expect that their views must be forced down on others.

what are the mistakes in Paul's teachings?
If Paul commended some women as fellow laborers does that mean those women were leaders in the church?

Lucifyre:
When i said the voices with which u guys use to bellow shallow thought processes, are as loud as your ignorance it was'nt an insult, just plain ol fact. Why not educate urself instead of making urself look dense. The same god that said thou shall not kill went on to approve several killing sprees and its littered all over ur texts, but no... its just the amalekites and "they deserved it", what a loving god! 2Sam 5:25, 1Sam 11:11, 1Sam 6:19, Num 25:4, 31:17, Deut 7:2... all these are what?! Baby showers?!

you are stupid. The government does not permit individuals to carry guns but permitted the police and military to carry guns.
If the amalekites have done it before isn't it justice for God to repay them according to their evil.

Funny enough that's just a tip of the iceberg cause the killings and genocides are littered all over especially through joshua, judges, kings and samuel, basically military conquest. Saul was even punished for having empathy and sparing a life... Like wtf!!😄 So called god sponsored more killings that the evil satan.

see your stupidity, Saul was also killed by an amalekite.😂. God is loving does not mean he doesn't do justice.

Knowing ur vocab is as average as your room temp iq, ill help to educate u  a bit. Misogyny?! Yes! Your holy book is littered with prejudice against women as can be seen from the clear example that's this topic.

Maybe i should rather eduate u with more examples : Lev 12 : 2, 15 : 19 -28, Num 5:12-31, Deut 25:5-10, 1TI 2:12, 1CO 14:34-35, Deut 24:1-4, Deut 22:13-21, Num 31:18.
If those are not prejudice against women ild sure like to hear your myopic thoughts on what misogyny is.

going by your logic God also hate men, Lev 15 vv 2-15, olodo 1 Ti 2 :12 was talking of leadership in the church which is model after God's order of human creation.
Going by your logic separating female sport from male sport is prejudice. 🤣 oh I forgot nature must be prejudice why should there be difference between male and female, oh why should there be difference at all, 🤣

And as for cultic rituals?! yes, cultic rituals not occultic. Short iq, short vocab. There's lots of em as well, like the pact sealing ("convenant" similar to other Anciear near eastern cultural pacts between a suzerain and the vassal, like god and abraham or god and isreal. Or all the bountiful cleansing purity rituals. Man... go educate urself abeg. Loudly spouting dross, everyone that doesn't partake in ur dross is labelled "atheist" 🥱

So is cultic rituals good or bad?

Lucifyre:
In addition :

Exodus 21:2-6
Deuteronomy 15:12-18
Titus 2:9-10
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Colossians 3:22
Ephesians 6:5
1 peter 2 : 18 - 20

Not to talk of the killings, genocide, infanticide, misogyny, discrimination, prejudice and cultic rituals.

It is only the Amalekites that God has ever commanded israel to completely destroy, It was justice against the amalekites.

You don't know what misogyny is. There is no misogyny in the bible.
Cultic rituals? Hahaha you mean occultic?
As an atheist you have no justification for good and evil, hence it is pointless.

FIRDAUS3:
Search for the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

This discovery might open your eye to more of fallacies in the book of God called bible.

Get a copy of English Quran and Juxtaposed together.

sharap, you are quoting from the same book you claim to be fallacy,
The quoran is rubbish from beginning to end.

The bible explains itself but ignorant people just take a snippet and begin to misquote it.

Daejumong:
Did God allow Rapists to marry their victims as long as the women are unmarried and the guys pay a fine?

Deuteronomy 22:28–29 — The New International Version (NIV)
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

This is another harsh and unfair law which I find difficult to believe was given by God to Moses! No matter the dispensation, women deserve better.

So as a young girl I can be raped by any beast and will also be forced to live with him in marriage forever so long he pays a fine!

This can’t be God but rather some Chauvinistic and misogynistic guys that decided to subjugate, dehumanise and denigrate women by using God as cover up!

The God , Jesus , presented to me with his messages and life style will not treat women like shit in this way! Jesus loved, respected and valued women! He alone is my role model and standard.

This is not rape. The NIV is wrong.

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
@ bolded
Note the word "they be found out" meaning both the man and the girl hiding it.

justlove91:
Which kind wuru-wuru reaping be that

So we should ignore the verse abi??

The same bible that showed you that a man reaps whatever he sow also tell you that one man's death can also be attributed as the death of many.
So if christ bare the penalty, then it means that those in christ also bare the penalty so that the law of sowing and reaping is fulfilled.

justlove91:
But he has sowed to the flesh by killing millions of Jews prior to his repentance, why doesn't he reap corruption has the verse says??

Because when christ died everyone who trusted in christ also died in him, so yes he reaped by christ dieing for him.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

The law of sowing and reaping is not the only law.

justlove91:
Meaning, he would not reap what he sowed, hence, God has been mocked.

Galatians 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Anyone who believed in Jesus christ has sowed to the Spirit and hence reaps eternal life.

johnw47:
1Co_1:24  but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
^^ Christ the power/the Holy Spirit of God, is not referring to Jesus the man/flesh, but to His Holy Spirit/the Word of God

2Co_12:9  And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

^^ so that the Holy Spirit of Christ may dwell in me

No he did say christ is the Holy Spirit, rather
It is good to read according to context else one errs.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul was talking of the preaching of the sacrifice of Jesus as the atonement for sin.
When Paul said christ is the power of God he meant christ is the means through which God saves people.

johnw47:
"The Word of God is the Holy Spirit of God"


the Word made all things, nothing was made without Him, john 1:3 +

the Word made all things, the Holy Spirit made job:
Job_33:4 The Spirit of God has made me

the Word made all things, God sent the Holy Spirit to create:
Psalm 104:30 You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; and You renew the face of the earth.

in the beginning there was God and the Word, john 1, in the beginning there was God and the Holy Spirit:
Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

^^ God made all things through the Word/the Holy Spirit

The Word of God is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a separate person from the Father and Son. He is the power of God in creation, he guides, empowers and teach the believers as well as lives in them permanently.

Emusan:


The bold is sufficient for me.

Not good enough, scripture does not contradict science only ignorant people think so.

Emusan:
If illumination can't penetrate some planets it means the sun is very small when view from those planets.

An ironically the Sun gravity can reach everywhere as far as holding the biggest planet in our solar system in its orbit

Isn't that wonderful?
People can swallow anything sha

sun light do get to all planets in the solar system just that it is comparably weaker.
The biggest planet in the solar system is very small in comparison to the size of the sun.

Emusan:
This is very funny to read.

Why is it funny to you?