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AntiChristian:
Open your eyes and read the OP!

You will clearly see where Jesus said he came NOT to abolish the law and the Prophets!

When your own holy spirit excels in abusing others how will you have eyes to see?

where did he say abolish?
Abdools are as dumb as alah and Mohammad.
You don't know the difference between destroy and abolish? Lol
Shame on alah and his prophet.

AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:37

vs

Paul who says:
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23-24

Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! Romans 5:9

I tire for Paul o!

Why does he have to always contradict Jesus?
He didn't meet Jesus and was never taught or commissioned by him!

How are we justified?
By our words or by his blood or by grace?

As ignorant as Mohammad, how come you Muslims always pray for alah's mercy? If you truly trust in your works you don't need alah's mercy

AntiChristian:
Jesus says he didn't come to abolish the Law and the Prophets
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

Paul says Christ is the end of the law
For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace. Ephesians 2:15

abdools are as dumb as Allah and his Peadophile prophet.
Go and check the meaning of fulfill.
Where did Jesus say he didn't come to abolish the law?

Ohyoudidnt:
Pardon my inquiry please.

Does the belief that God sent Jesus imply God did not send other prophets and only sent Jesus?

Even the stupid Koran called Jesus the messiah meaning he is more than a prophet.
God sent prophets before Christ and all the prophet sent were jews.

AntiChristian:
How is these related to Jesus Vs Paul 1 - How To Qualify For Eternal Life!?

Your IQ still hasn't improved!

The thread is about Jesus and Paul's way to qualify for eternal life!

If you don't understand the thread then blame your teachers or the Holy Spirit you claim you possess!

abdools are as dumb as Allah and his criminal prophet.
Keep running.

AntiChristian:
Where does Paul's grace come in?
Are you still saying Paul lied?

are as dumb as your prophet?
Do you even know what grace means?

I literally just showed you that to believe in Jesus is to believe in the God that sent Jesus.

Qasim6:
You guys don come with your non-existent Muslim having a non existent dream about Jesus.

What happened to Matthew 24:26?

"So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."

Your guy probably see something else, just like Paul on his way to Damascus.

How come your stupid Koran acknowledge Paul as servant of Allah?

وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُون١٣
إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ فَقَالُوا إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ مُرْسَلُونَ١٤
قَالُوا مَا أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُنَا وَمَا أَنْزَلَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ مِنْ شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا تَكْذِبُونَ١٥
قَالُوا رَبُّنَا يَعْلَمُ إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ لَمُرْسَلُونَ١٦
وَمَا عَلَيْنَا إِلَّا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ١٧
And put forward to them a similitude; the Dwellers of the Town, when there came Messengers to them (13)
When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both; so We reinforced them with a third, and they said: "Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers. (14)
They said: "You are only human beings like ourselves, and the Most Gracious has revealed nothing. You are only telling lies. (15)
The Messengers said: "Our Lord knows that we have been sent as Messengers to you, (16)
"And our duty is only to convey plainly. (17)

The Story of the Dwellers of the Town and Their Messengers, a Lesson that Those Who belied Their Messengers were destroyed

Allah says, 'O Muhammad, tell your people who disbelieve in you,'

مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ

(a similitude; the Dwellers of the Town, when there came Messengers to them.) In the reports that he transmitted from Ibn 'Abbas, Ka'b Al-Ahbar and Wahb bin Munabbih – Ibn Ishaq reported that it was the city of Antioch, in which there was a king called Antiochus the son of Antiochus the son of Antiochus, who used to worship idols. Allah sent to him three Messengers, whose names were Sadiq, Saduq and Shalum, and he disbelieved in them. It was also narrated from Buraydah bin Al-Husayb, 'Ikrimah, Qatadah and Az-Zuhri that it was Antioch. Some of the Imams were not sure that it was Antioch, as we shall see below after telling the rest of the story, if Allah wills.

إِذْ أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ اثْنَيْنِ فَكَذَّبُوهُمَا

(When We sent to them two Messengers, they denied them both means, they hastened to disbelieve in them.

فَعَزَّزْنَا بِثَالِثٍ

(so We reinforced them with a third,) means, 'We supported and strengthened them with a third Messenger. ' Ibn Jurayj narrated from Wahb bin Sulayman, from Shu'ayb Al-Jaba'i, "The names of the first two Messengers were Sham'un[Peter] and Yuhanna[John], and the name of the third was Bulus[Paul], and the city was Antioch (Antakiyah).

فَقَالُوا

(and they said) means, to the people of that city,

إِنَّا إِلَيْكُمْ مُرْسَلُونَ

(Verily, we have been sent to you as Messengers.) meaning, 'from your Lord Who created you and Who commands you to worship Him Alone with no partners or associates.' This was the view of Abu Al-'Aliyah. Qatadah bin Di'amah claimed that they were messengers of the Messiah, peace be upon him, sent to the people of Antioch.

AntiChristian:
So it's not grace right?
Paul lied!
Thank you!

abdool! Jesus is literally believing in him is the same as believing in the father that is how one is saved.

Jesus said he and the father are one.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Not like your confused Mohammad/ allah. Mohammad the paedophilic criminal.

AntiChristian:
So i should just believe in the statement you typed as against what Jesus allegedly said "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24?

The statement is clear!
It is not by grace!

You are not making sense. According to the text salvation comes through faith in the father, and again the only way to believe in the father is to believe in the Son he sent.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
Believing in Jesus is the same as believing in the father.

AntiChristian:
Jesus says to believe in the one who sent him
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24

Paul says grace...
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 5:21

Paul loses!
You must believe in God who sent Jesus to be saved!

If you believe God then you will accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour otherwise you don't believe in God.
Jesus preached salvation by grace same with Paul, no difference.

MaxInDHouse:
What name do you expect people outside who have been taught that the Christian religious book is called "Bible" to see in our publication before they can relate?

Why then I'd your organization using the name "kingdom hall" since it is not in the bible, why did your organization call Jesus Micheal since scripture never said Jesus is Micheal?

MaxInDHouse:
For people like you to know what we are saying nah of course you will also see Trinity written in our books it doesn't mean we agree with you people but to help the readers to know what we are talking about.
Our version is named the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that's the point!

So you are saying your organization is deceiving people? Like the serpent in Eden

MaxInDHouse:
It's you people that gave the book that name nah, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES call our own version:
"New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures"
So go and ask your pastors why they are calling the book Bible not me!

what is this in the pix below

Verbtips:
how is jesus GOD

scripture says so.

MaxInDHouse:
If you can't find the word TRINITY in any verse of the Bible then your argument should be on the bench since your Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures!

So can you also show me the Word bible in the bible?

chatinent:
So you didn't see the "with" in your statement?

Secondly, creation through Jesus Christ didn't means Jesus is God. It can also mean Jesus accompanied his father to create things. Shebi Bible say he was the firstborn of all creation? (Colossians 1:15, 18). If he was the first creation, tor, he was there in the beginning and John's verse in 1v1 makes more sense.

Even Hebrews 1:6; 12:23 and the cited scriptures above clearly explained that Jesus was created.

My question to you: was God created?

Why are you jumping up and down?
Yes creation by Jesus mean he is God.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Col
Furthermore, John 1 said without Jesus nothing that was made would be made.

Col 1 : 17 said he is before all things Furthermore, first born does not mean first created, it means he is preferred over all creation.
And lastly were did he say God or the word was created?

MaxInDHouse:
CHRISTIANS/JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
What is the difference?
JEHOVAH called all His faithful servants His WITNESSES:
“You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Isaiah 43:10
So from the time of Abel till the day of John the baptist JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have always proved to be unique even though they are in the midst of those worshiping the only true God. Do you remember Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?
They were Jews taken to Babylon with the rest of the worshipers of God but when everyone was scared to stand out Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego stood on their ground prepared to die for their faith.
Jesus is the prophet God foretold right from the beginning {Genesis 3:15} who will destroy the works of the devil by exposing all his tricks and teaching people how to gain salvation {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so the time Jesus walked the earth all those attracted to him by God's word {John 6:44} to learn from him and practice what Jesus taught are called "CHRISTIANS" but those sticking to what Jesus taught against all odds are the unique ones who stood out like their kind before them: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So just as some worshipers of God in ancient times turned their backs on pure worship a Christian too may turn back from following the Way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} but a Witness of Jehovah will never ever turn back no matter what happens! John 6:68; Romans 8:37-39

So Jehovah witness are not Christians thanks for admitting it.
Every cult has one story or the other to say in other to lay claim to pure worship.
The followers of Jesus were called Christians thanks for making it clear thatyou don't follow Jesus christ.

chatinent:
You mean it makes sense because it was interpreted to you that way?

interpreted by whom?

chatinent:
John 1:1: in the beginning was the world, and the world was with God and the same word was God? Sth that was with sth later became that thing.


Una confuse sha. Translators go whine you but no panic ..I got you.


Even Jesus said he is not God here: John 14:28.

you are the confuse one, where did it say the word came to be with God later?
John is telling you in the beginning before creation began the was present, the word was with God and the Word was God.
John literally said everything created was created through Jesus meaning he is God.
Where in John 14 :28 tell Jesus isn't God?
Just say you are confused.

chatinent:
Be honest. Does this statement of yours make sense?

So it is not about what scripture teaches but what makes sense to you?
So anything that does not makes sense to you is false?
As for your question, yes it makes sense because the bible teaches it.

MaxInDHouse:
Please where is TRINITY found in the Bible?

The word is not there but scripture literally teaches God is more than one person.
Eg Gen 1 vv 26

chatinent:
You are Catholic so that ideology would make sense to you.


But you see John 3:16? It says God sent his only begotten son... not God came in the body of a human.


Second, the holy spirit is a person too?

The doctrine of trinity has so many flaws.

So only catholics believe in the Trinity? John 1 :1 already told you Jesus is God.
Can you sin against a non person? Yet Jesus said people can sin against the Holy Spirit. Matt 12 vv 31
The Holy Spirit can have grief. Eph 4 vv 30
The Holy Spirit speaks. Acts 13 vv2
Jesus placed the holy Spirit alongside the father. Mathew 28 :19

Dtruthspeaker:
True, the bible in deed said this.

But lo, those passages also show that , there are certain conditions that must first be fulfilled before a person can be crowned and promoted "son of God.

what are those conditions?

MaxInDHouse:
Does that mean three gods?

It simply means people of the nations need to have the knowledge of God through studying what He did in ancient times and how He used the Holy Spirit to accomplish His purpose and the part His only begotten Son will play in the salvation of mankind.

The Jews already had the knowledge of God's word through the scriptures and how His Holy Spirit works but they don't know anything about Jesus and his role in the salvation of mankind that's why Peter didn't baptize them in the name of three but one person: Jesus Christ! Act 2:38

Do you understand now?

These are all failed attempt by jwo at explaining away the Trinity as revealed in that verse.


Who told you three God's? Can't you see that the father Son and Holy ghost has one name?
One God three persons.
Thy baptized in the name of Jesus because name can represent authority.

Dtruthspeaker:
Stop jumping the gun. The bible said "to become sons of God" so stop promoting yourself.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

MaxInDHouse:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:Mark 12:29

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.John 20:17

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

chatinent:
Jesus is not God.


If Jesus is God, who did Jesus pray to?

Jesus prayed to the father (another person of God). God is three persons.

chatinent:
That statement is true. I also heard people insulting Pastor Damina Abel when he said the same thing. It shows a lot of Christians don't know the meaning of what being a Christian entails. Clearly, they are Christians because their parent were Christains and their foreparents...

God is not a Christian, never was.


A Christian is a follower of Christ Jesus. Jesus is a follower of God. How can God be a Christian?

Moses was not even a Christian. Name it: Enoch, Samson, David etc! Christianity arrived when Jesus arrived.

Make una dey research o make pastor no dey use your head cook ofe onugbu.

Jesus is God.
Christians are followers of God, we are not just followers but also sons of God. Enoch, samson, David were all followers of God just as Christians now, the only difference is that the God whom they followed took on human form and his name became Jesus.

Steep:
It is a contradiction to say a born again believer may end up in hell.
Don't just type with emotions you have to provide proof from scriptures
Jesus said he will never lose his sheep, his sheep hear his voice and Will not follow another, he says he gives his sheep eternal life and they will never perish, he did not say they may never perish but that they will never perish.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


John further said that he that is born of God sinneth not.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The very definition of a born again already mean they are eternally secured.

So anybody that does not follow Jesus leading/ abide in his doctrine is not a sheep of christ and hence is not saved.

Ken4Christ:
If you must make heaven, you must be born again and walk in the light of God's word. And you are born again the very moment you believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and confess him as your Lord and Saviour- Romans 10:9-10.

So, its important to be born again. However, the journey to heaven doesn't stop at being born again. You must walk in the light of God's word now that you are saved otherwise heaven will elude you.

There are so many Christians who are born again but do not walk in the light of God's word. Some have the wrong teaching of eternal security. There is no such thing.

Highlighted below are some of the reasons some born again believers will not make heaven;

1. No Brotherly Love
2. Lukewarmness
3. Unfruifullness
4. Habitual Abstinence from Church Services and Lateness to Church.
5. Unforgiven.
6. Evil Speaking and Slander
7. Causing Division in Church

The list is not exhaustive. I will begin to explain the highlighted points one by one.

It is a contradiction to say a born again believer may end up in hell.
Don't just type with emotions you have to provide proof from scriptures
Jesus said he will never lose his sheep, his sheep hear his voice and Will not follow another, he says he gives his sheep eternal life and they will never perish, he did not say they may never perish but that they will never perish.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


John further said that he that is born of God sinneth not.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The very definition of a born again already mean they are eternally secured.

Krismas:
1. The existence of god a fact?? Do u even know wot fact means?
2. Is god the sun? Ur analogy is stup1d
3. How will anyone BELIEVE in wot is self evident? Believe is blind faith in fiction! Or u don’t even know wot u talking about?
4. Here is where it gets interesting. Knowing the truth is so important. It’s the difference between stagnation and liberation. To imply such requirement is not necessary says alot about you. You think U DONT MATTER?

1.The existence of God is a fact. God by definition is a spaceless, timeless and immaterial. For space, time and matter to exist it requires a being outside of space, time and immaterial and that being is God.
2. Using insult does not make you smart, go and search for the meaning of analogy.
3.faith is not belief without evidence, true faith requires evidence.
4. You might think you matter but if you are just a bunch of interacting particles then you are no different from a stone or other materials.