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Janosky:
Hebrews 10:10 addressed your FALSE claim.
you are just ranting offkey with your FALSE claim.

Jesus Christ body was a ransom sacrifice offering. The same manner you put offering into your Church box.
Your offering sacrifice would serve its purpose and you never demand for ,nor take back your offering.

According to Paul Jesus body was broken not destroyed.

Janosky:
1 Peter 3:18
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"


HCSB translation is the simplest version of
1 Peter 3:18.
Christ died in the earthly realm & came back to life in the spiritual realm, simple as ABC.

1 Peter 3:18 is accurate & agree with Hebrews 10:10 & John 17:1-5,24.
Did Jesus Christ teach John & Paul the apostles?
Yes

For your information, Holman Christian Standard Bible are your fellow Trinitarians.

Why would the same ghost leading you & leading HCSB translators disagree with your claim?

After Jesus was put to death in the flesh he was made alive in spirit realm, this is not his bodily resurrection. To quicken means to energized.

Jesus resurrected body a spirit body or a spiritual body?

First understand what the word spiritual means.
It is used quite a number of times in the bible.

It is used to describe the law.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is "spiritual" as against "carnal" meaning the law does not follow man's natural desire, carnal means what human beings naturally wants.

Paul said the Jews ate spiritual food and drink from a spiritual rock.
Did he mean me they ate spirit food and drank from spirit rock, no!

1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

We know that the jews ate physical food and the rock was physical.
But the food was not produced by man or natural process neither did the rock produce water by natural process. But by the power of God, and christ was the actual rock that gave them that water.

Steep:
God promised that Jesus body would not be destroyed.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus said he will raise his body after three days.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


However Jehovah witness organization interpret his body as the congregation or the church

The problem with this their interpretation is that Jesus promised that the gate of hell will never prevail against his church/congregation.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

There was no time the church was dead, although local church might close down but the body of believers has never being dead at any time in history.

Janosky:
"Steep claim/ post:
"They teach that Jesus body was destroyed"

Oga Steep, this is a FALSE claim you are making.
Your FALSE claim is NOT JWs teaching at all.


Jehovah's witnesses teach that Jesus Christ body was a sacrifice/offering for our sins, Hebrews 10:10, that's what your Bible teaches.

Money you donate into your Church box is a sacrifice from your sweat.
Do you destroy that Offering/Donation?
Do you take back Offering/Donation?

The Offering/Donation have served it's purpose for good.

Hebrews 10:10, John 6:51,How do you expect Jesus Christ to take back his body he donated for Sacrifice of your sins?
@John17:1-5,24 was Jesus Christ a human being in heaven before his earthly birth?

Oga,This is a very simple Bible concept nau.

Didn't Jesus take back his life he laid down?

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me,

because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

God promised that Jesus body would not be destroyed.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus said he will raise his body after three days.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


However Jehovah witness organization interpret his body as the congregation or the church

franktolk:
Then, what can you say of John 20:
27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”

Read carefully, I am making a case for Jesus resurrection instead.

Was Jesus body destroyed without ever being recovered?

Jesus sacrifice ended at the cross he didn't continue his sacrifice somewhere else.

And we know Jesus body was recovered after his death.
All of Jesus sacrifice needed when he died therefore his body couldn't have being destroyed as a sacrifice after his death.

However the scripture said Jesus body was broken not destroyed.

First of all what does 1 Peter 3 18 mean?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Other translations said Jesus was quickened in the spirit.

Note Peter said Jesus was quickened in the spirit not quickened as a spirit. Meaning Jesus had his spirit and since Jesus was in the flesh he ministered in the flesh but when he died his spirit was activated to function without his body.

This is not Jesus resurrection but an in between period between his death in the flesh and physical resurrection.

Jehovah witness organization denies Jesus physical resurrection, they teach that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit person and that Jesus body was destroyed.
They erroneously quote 1 Peter 3 :18 to support this false teaching.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Secondly, they said Jesus offered his body as sacrifice so Jesus body was destroyed never for him to have it anymore.

They erroneously interpreted spirtual body in 1 cor 15 :44 as spirit body.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Michael548:
Oya explain 1 Cor 15:42-44 with this your explanation.

The distinction is BTW Spiritual body as opposed natural body.

Michael548:
So was he resurrected with a physical body or a spiritual body?

stop jumping around after being busted in one you run to another.
When has made alive in the spirit equal to resurrected as a spirit?

Michael548:
Lol....explain

what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit.

Michael548:
Lol....explain

what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit.

Michael548:
Lol...you are contradicting yourself.....you have argued that Jesus was not equal to God as a man and that Jesus is still a man in heaven. So how can Jesus be equal to the Father as a man in heaven?
Answer please.

So where did I tell you Jesus is equal to God as a man?

Michael548:
Read 1 Peter 3:18 and explain

Raised to life in the Spirit is not same as raised to life as a Spirit.

Michael548:
So if Jesus is in heaven with flesh and bones, how then is he equal to The Father?

Go back and read my previous post on 1 corrith 15 vv 21 to 25 or there about.

Michael548:
So are you agreeing that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh?

Did Jesus die in the spirit before?

Michael548:
So are you agreeing now that Jesus is with his flesh in heaven?

Didn't you read the verse, Jesus had flesh and bones.

Note Jesus said he was not a spirit though he didn't have any blood meaning Jesus was still a man although he had no blood.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Michael548:
Lol....oh....Jesus is now a man but not with flesh and blood? Ok ooo

Good, He is still a man not an angel.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Michael548:
Show me where Jesus is in heaven with flesh and blood

@ bold when did I say so?

I will show where it is written that Jesus is a man only if you will admit to being a liar and a false witness when I do. Failure to do so, forget about it.

Michael548:
Answer this your claim.

I asked you a question, what If I showed you were Jesus is called a man what will you do?
Will you admit you are a liar and a false witness ?

Docjay487:
Excuse me o. See this:
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
When then did he convert or throw away this body before getting airborne as said in Luke 24:51?
Or finally on ascension?

I just showed him but he is playing games.

Michael548:
Uncle show me where in the bible that Jesus is a man in heaven with flesh and blood.

Uncle you are the one that mentioned flesh and blood, were you not?when did I say Jesus is flesh and blood?

Jesus said he is not a spirit but he has flesh and bones.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Michael548:
Show me please...a place that shows Jesus is in heaven as a man in flesh and blood as against 1 Corinthians 15:50.

According to you those who will inherit the earth are either not humans or the earth will not become God's kingdom right?

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Michael548:
So now is Jesus still a man in heaven?

What of if I show you a verse that calls Jesus a man even in heaven, what will you do?

Michael548:
Verse 21 clearly shows that Jesus on earth came to die for men making resurrection possible for men.
So now is Jesus still a man in heaven?

Where did he mention on earth
Since you are dishonest, how is it you added "on earth" when there is nothing like that?

The verse says since death came by man, not angel or spirit so also the resurrection came by man, the comparison is between two men, Jesus and Adam, if Jesus is not a man then the comparison would be baseless.

Michael548:
I'm asking in respect to the context in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28

My friend stop playing games.
What is this below?

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

I highlighted earlier but you skipped it only to be asking stupid questions.

Mr Michael explain what you understand in vv 21 and 22.

Janosky:
Oga Steep,of a truth I love your interest in matters pertaining to the holy scriptures.
It's commendable indeed.

But let's look at the scriptures... 1 Corinthians chapter 15....

Was Paul the apostle writing about the resurrected Christ Jesus?
Yes.

Is the resurrected Christ Jesus a human being in heaven?

1 Corinthians 15:45,50 , Paul says No!

Jesus Christ the second (or last ) Adam (depending on the translation you quote) is a spirit being.

Humans nature (or human being) does NOT dwell in the heavenly, spiritual realm.
John 17:1-5,24 Jesus is a spirit being before his Earthly ministry, therefore he returns back to heaven in his original state- a spirit being.
His humanity begins & ended during his earthly ministry.

Shalom.

Is Adam a Spirit being?
1 Corinthians 15 already told you Jesus is a man.
John 17:1-5, 24 does not teach what you typed there.

Michael548:
So is Jesus a human in heaven according to 1 Corinthians 15:27,28

According to the Bible Jesus is a man

kkins25:
You've gat to be kidding me.

Yes , I have seen a mad person but there are seasons it subsides I mean those that are born with it.