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Amujale:
You can miss me with all that gobbledegook.

Answer my question or keep it moving.

There was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

Kindly provide proof of this fictional character of yours or receive sense into your viscera and make the necessary amends to your viewpoint.

you are far from reality, Jesus is a historical figure.

Amujale:
All the foreign extremist ideologically based narratives are fake, false and counterintuitive.

The Christian bible isn't a history textbook, my advice is for you to bin all the nonsense you're currently reading and instead go and pick up proper history books.

I am asking you how do you prove a book is a history book?
The books of the gospel are historical, Jesus is a historical figure even the modern calendar is numbered base on Jesus birth.

Even atheists intellectuals agree that Jesus was a historical person, you sir are ignorant.
Open up and find out yourself.

FRANCISTOWN:
But China is doing so well compared to Nigeria where many people call his name

Doing well in what way, we could say same for Hitler, he was evil yet Germany had great advancement in technology so Adolf Hitler must be right?

Amujale:
Give yourself a wobble.

Ok. You accept that the Jesus character is fictional.

Cool, now keep it moving.

Ok you are running away. Because you can't even swallow your medicine

Amujale:
All these foreign extremist ideologically based rhetoric ought to be banned throughout our continent's education systems, similar to the Utah District.

I agree with you ideologues can be dangerous but it is unfair to judge what you have non clue about.
You can't judge Islam base on what book haram, isis are doing, you have to read the Koran to judge Islam, same with Christianity.

Have you read the books of the gospel?

Amujale:
You'd have to ask a Roman, if ever you get to see a Roman.

My thing is that you're peddling a false representation of history, and as such, that question is mute.

When you afford yourself the time to actually study history, oppossed to peddling false narratives, then you can come back here to make proper sense.

you are not making sense, because history has it that Rome fought Christianity because it was a treat to the empire.

Christianity started form Israel not Rome, Jesus was a real historical person not a myths or folk lore, and his crucifixion and resurrection was real.
Why would Rome crucify Jesus and fought to suppress Christianity.
Don't absorb any garbage simply it suits your narrative but rather find evidence of it.

Amujale:
You aren't making any sense.

The onus is on you to provide the proof of your fictional characters and false narratives.

One cannot prove the non-existence of a character that never existed in the first instance.

The onus is on you to prove that history is provable.
Go ahead, you are the one that assumed history is provable to do the needful prove it.

FRANCISTOWN:
Which God?
Did China accept that God?

God the ultimate cause of creation.
China acceptance or not does not change the anything.
Adolf Hitler one of the most hated man succeeded in building a society that was advanced militarily, those that mean Adolf Hitler must be right?

Amujale:
The Christian bible isn't a history textbook.

My advice is for you to bin all the nonsense you're currently reading and instead go and pick up proper history books.

those history books are made up. You are saying nonsense prove otherwise

Amujale:
Jesus is a fictional character.

Assuming you have any proof to the contrary, kindly provide them here or simply accept the facts as stated above and make the necessary amends to your viewpoint going forward.

Christopher Columbus is a fictional character, proof he really existed.

The new heaven and new earth is not just symbolical it is literal meaning this present universe (heavens and the earth will be dissolved and vanished out of existence and God will create am entire new one perfectly suited for eternity and the sons of God.

Amujale:
The Romans are the ones who invented Christianity, yet, you continue to perpetuate a false representation of history.

It's pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and concentrate our focus on reality.

And the reality here is that our history comprises of agriculture, arts, architecture, astrology, astronomy, commerce, economics, engineering, fishing, law, mathematics, medical sciences, metallurgy, mining, philosophy, physical sciences, shipbuilding e.t.c

These are the things we ought to return to studying conscientiously.

This is pure ignorance of history. Jesus is a historical person, the books of the gospel are historical.
Jesus life, death and resurrection are historical.

Why would Rome persecute and kill Christians?

FRANCISTOWN:
I went to the filling station 3 days ago and it was a like the World War II.
Even after buying the fuel, you won't know how it'll dry up.
There are scanty vehicles moving on the streets.
Foods prices have doubled in the last 2days.
Many people are prolly going to lose their jobs because they won't be able to keep up with the T.fare.
This is the same Nigeria some people embarked on 8days of serious praying and fasting for.
Now I don't have problems with Pastor Chris who says Tinubu is a Jackal.
I don't have problems with Apst. Joshua Selman who goes like "we have fasted and pray, I want you to watch god in action".
I don't got problems with "Yes Daddy".
I don't have issues with Peter Obi or Tinubu or Atiku or Kwankwanso.
Well, our muslim brethren didn't even waste their time praying.
It's always these christian folks.
We are waiting for your God to come in action.
Now, after all the prayers, fastings, pentecostalim, charismstism and your religious mumbo jumbo.
What has your god done?
Now please tell me one usefulness of YHWH.
Please tell me one usefulness of Jesus.
Please don't take this as an insult, but if you took it as insults and you move mad. Your papa go collect.

Without God there is no rational meaning and purpose to life.
The problem of Nigeria and indeed the whole humanity is that they reject God and as a result brought consequences such as what you are seeing today.

Maynmann:
So the reason you are not a rapist and a theif is because you read it in a book?
If you were in samuel position you would have killed the king.

You don’t know morality means, you are just following orders, if the book you reading says rape is good it will be moral to you! Lol

What is your problem if I derive my morality from a book, that is not the issue, provided I have a basis for morality m, atheism/ secularism has no ultimate basis for morality.

Maynmann:
What makes killing wrong?
Evolutionary instincts from the same people worshipping yahweh?
Yahweh was watching them killing his creation?
How come they did not kill their children but the ones they heard from their local god called yahweh.

Theism defends genocide with no shame,where is the morality in samuel killing a king?

Yes what make killing, rape, stealing wrong? Tell from a secular/ atheistic world view?

nairalanda1:
Lol, even as a child, I read a lot of books...like the one where Snow white is kissed by a prince to wake her up, ditto Sleeping Beauty.

So did that mean as a child, that I would go round kissing sleeping girls? Obviously not.

If after years of gay indoctrination by the LGBTQ lobby, the number of gay children has not gone above 50% (it is well below 10%) either it is not working...or quite simply, children read child appropriate gay material, and put it down and go back to their lives.

At the end of the day, banning books always backfires. A gay may ban a book like the Bible ..only to find out that the same parameters one used to ban the Bible would be used to ban the books the gay person likes.They can start shouting frredom of speech...but the fact is the fire they set to affect others is affecting them

There is a reason why I believe in freedom for all. If you start restricting people's rights, your rights would be restricted. AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE. A rule meant to stop gay material from falling into the hands of children was used to ban the bible from the library.....on the same grounds. If such a rule had not been passed, the bible would have been STILL in the library, and no one would have batted an eyelid.

At the end of the day, either we teach our children to draw close to God and be discerning. ...or we use man made laws that Satan would cleverly use against us when the time comes. The road to hell is paved with good intentions afterall.

Since you support that all books should be allowed, how about supporting a book that teaches kids how to rape , murder, etc if not why?

Maynmann:
It was after he did it that he realised lol.

Where is the objective morality of david?
It’s theist that will kill people and say it is from their gods.
Didn’t samuel kill a king because he heard a voice, oya defend it

What makes it wrong? What if it is their evolutionary instincts?
Atheism/ secularism cannot has logical basis for morality

Maynmann:
They are fairy tales that are found only in your books written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS.
Which historian do you see quote New Testament or tanakh?

You are reading a jew book, don’t you think they will make their nation and their local god, yahweh superior?lol
Adding and removing so the story can be sweet to be gobbled by theists like you!

The books are not unknown authors.

This is a snippeth from Wikipedia about the historicity of the bible.

"According to theologian Thomas L. Thompson, a representative of the Copenhagen School, the archaeological record lends sparse and indirect evidence for the Old Testament's narratives as history.[a][4][b][6][7] Others, like archeologist William G. Dever, feel that biblical archaeology has both confirmed and challenged the Old Testament stories.[8]"



A jew book that contains how their God also punishes them for their sin?
A book that records that the isarael failed, any nation that truly wants to push a nationalist gender would not have such written

Maynmann:
No, most europeans are converting to islam.

“Uncontrolled birth rate” lol, in America, there are more abortions than birth rate.

More Muslims are abandoning Islam.
The number of people converting into a certain belief or non belief does not necessarily proves its validity.

nairalanda1:
Did I say that the bible was fairy tales?

You missed the point of my analogy.

There is no comparison, do you compare biology to fairy tales?

Maynmann:
Which history?

History of the jews, history of Jesus christ, history of people like David, Moses, Joshua etc.

nairalanda1:
We could ban a lot of literature and fairy tales too.

Like Rapunzel and Cinderella which includes depictons of child abuse and brutality.

And don't get me started on Pinocchio.

Like i said, I don't believe in banning any book. And the bible should be taught in the church and if a.school makes provision for religious classes that involve it.

P.s I.learned about worldwar 1 and 2 in primary 6 as well as the civil.war. I also did some extra.reading too. Yes including deth.

The bible is not like fairy tales, it has real history with evidence. For example Jesus really exist, the four books of the gospel are real historical books of Jesus,
The death m, burial and resurrection of Jesus are real historical events.

Maynmann:
Is bible an history book?
And what gruesome “history” will you teach elementary and middle school?

The bible is a collection of books including history.

nairalanda1:
I have read books which feature a homosezual relationship, and books which also feature some 'deviant' relationships, and that does not mean that I would wake up and decide that I would be a homosexual...especially since I don't have the orientation.

Parents should simply monitor what their children read....not be banning books up and down because as you can see what was meant to be a ban on deviance has led to the bible being caught up in the ban.

That is you, children are the target of these teachings not you.

gaddafe:
It's gradually happening. I told someone something like this last year December. I said the contents of the holy books are not suitable for kids. I said civilisation will soon take us to a stage where kids are not allowed to read the holy books until they attain certain age. Are we not gradually moving towards there now?

They can ban, but the word of God will prevail, not even the Roman empire could stop Christianity, check history Christianity grows more under persecution and hostility.
Lol
China that ban the bible and made preaching the gospel a criminal offense is having her citizens converting to Christianity in droves.

nairalanda1:
Yes, which is why I do not advocate book banning of any kind.

(And the thing is, the bible was not being used to teach any class in the said school. It was just in the library.).

History, tells you what happens in the past but those other books are telling you it is OK to be a sexual deviant, spot the difference?

Maynmann:
Did david not snatch someone’s else wife and killed the husband…:.. and David still got forgiven lol

Yes David got forgiveness because he realised how horribly sinful he was and he needs God.

The secular/atheistic world view can not establish objective morality, from your world view you can defend why killing a man and taking his wife is wrong.

nairalanda1:
Well the bible does depict things like INCEST and human sacrifice as well as cannibalism and hardcore violence.

Is that normal?

History contains incest, human sacrifice and cannibalism so History should not be taught. This is a dumb idea , don't you think?

sotall:


The internet has killed Christianity.

It is also gradually eroding islam . Islam is only surviving by Polygamy and uncontrolled birth rate.


The only religion worthy of practice by humans is science.

you must be dreaming, not even Rome with all her might could extermninate Christianity, Rome ended up having more than half of her citizens converting to Christianity. No power, any where can overcome Christianity, because the message of Christianity is Jesus christ.

Is it not laughable that the more humans gain knowledge the more they become foolish.
Hahaha, they are so civilized yet can't even differentiate between a man from a woman anymore.

chemystery:
Great move. Ancient books that glorifies violence, profanity, slavery, magic and the rest, should be done away with in this modern age.

So history textbooks glorifies violence?

So children should not be taught history, because it contains slavery and war?

superCleanworks:
Yeah. I wonder how a child would be comfortable reading how 40,000 people was wiped out because of 10 commandments

or thousands of snakes biting everyone till the IMAGE OF A SNAKE was created. but the same people were admonished for the image of a calf.

or wild bears tearing children apart because of another man's head.

Seriously I would deal with any teacher that brings religion to my child.

Feel free to buy all the versions of bible and read them to your children AT HOME. You can do it with loud speaker if you want.
keep your religion at home.

Why should kids be thought the gruesome history of world War 2?
The bible contains history.

jaephoenix:
No it isnt. Adam had no knowledge of good and evil. Matter of fact, the odds are stacked against him. Hes competing against the devil who is omnipotent, omniscient etc. What does poor Adam have to fight him?
And remember yahweh created this devil and knew he's gonna bring down Adam and mankind, but he went "Fvck it, iont care"

Adam had no knowledge of good and evil by himself however he had to depend on God to know what is good and what is evil, so he was accountable to that.
Satan is not omniscient, omnipresent etc Adam was well equipped to defeat the devil.
First God gave him authority over the earth meaning Satan has zero power on earth secondly God told Adam before hand the consequence of eating from the tree.