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jaephoenix:
You keep hot oil on a table. A toddler knocks it over and gets a major burns which kills him. And whats more, you knew that hot oil would kill the poor boy, but that didn't stop you from keeping it.
Yep. Lets blame that toddler

Your analogy is daft. A toddler has no knowledge of what he is doing unlike an adult.

Yes God knew Adam and eve would fall but however it is as a result of their choices. God gave man ability to make choices and he would not hamper that ability even if it is evil but rather man would be held accountable.

God gave man free will so that man could fellowship with him. Free will means that we can choose to follow God or reject him, God desires those who would worship him in truth and in spirit.

However, God put things in place to enable man make the right choice eg by giving Him his laws.

God knows that man would fall and he prepares salvation for man through christ sacrifice.

God ordained Jesus to be our salvation before creation started.

The real damnation lies in rejecting God's salvation because there is no other salvation plan apart from Jesus.


Take note in everything God does he did not change the ordinal design of giving man free will because that is what he desires but he provided means for us to be saved from our bad choices which is Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross.

No everything God created in the beginning was good until sin entered into it.

Ecumenism is deception at its finest

The mystery of iniquity is a system that opposes christ and his teachings.

Humm, yes the divine femine a must watch

Yes true science agrees with scripture

Yeap, Jesus is the way.

Yes religion matters.

Spot on

OkCornel:
Ever heard of concubines in your Bible?

Did Judah also marry Tamar before she conceived? Hmmm?

Back to my question, where in Songs of Solomon did the author mention these lovers are husband and wife?!

When I say most Nigerian Christians are shallow, you are justifying it by your comments here

Oya vex, spew more insults

What is the connection between Judah and Tamar with the bride and groom in songs of Solomon?

Judah and Tamar never belonged to each other before she got pregnant m, their union only came after.

What is this this at bolded?

Song of Solomon 4:8 Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards.

See the confirmation that they were already married but probably the proper wedding celebration for all to see had not being done.

OkCornel:
I don’t want to hear “probably” betrothed.

Where is the evidence these lovers got married?
You asked if it’s wrong admire a bride/wife’s breast, so I’m asking you for evidence where these lovers in Songs of Solomon got married.

Patiently waiting.

maybe you are blind,

Now read this verse below and tell me what it means.

Song of Solomon 2:16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.

Can a man and woman belong to each other without marriage?

OkCornel:
See below from Encyclopaedia Britannica

In Biblical literature “works outside of accepted canon of scripture”

outside of accepted scrupture because these books were Fraudulent books that were not written by the apostles nor were recognized as inspired by the jews especially in Jesus days.

OkCornel:
Did the storyline Songs of Solomon tell you the characters (lovers) involved got married?

If Romeo and Juliet was included in the Bible as the word of God, you will still come here and defend it.

Songs of Solomon is an erotic/romantic literature, there’s nothing for reproof or sound doctrine there.

Simple truth

what story line?

What does this tell you? That is the bride is probably already betrothed probably the wedding proper had not taken place?
Song of Solomon 2:16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.

OkCornel:
So the 1611 KJV Bible that includes the Apocrypha is what exactly? A novel?

The extra books in the Ethiopian Bible are not the words of God too abi?

what is the meaning of Apocrypha? Go ahead and explain?

OkCornel:
Kindly show us the chapter and the verses in Songs of Solomon where the author clearly mentioned these erotic words between lovers represent;

1. Relationship between Jehovah and Israel
2. Relationship between Christ and the Church.

Is that what the author of Songs of Solomon claimed? If yes, kindly show the chapter and verse in Songs of Solomon.

Nigerian Christians and eisegesis. Mind you, I’m still awaiting answers on how admiring a lady’s breasts translates to evidence of reproof, correct and instruction in righteousness.

Oya, get emotional and spew more insults. It’s typical of shallow Nigerian Christians

So what is wrong in one admiring the breast of his wife/bride?

OkCornel:
Bonus question.

What is your definition of “All Scriptures”?

1) 66 books of the Bible?
2) Old Testament, New Testament and the Apocrypha per the 1611 KJV bible?
3) The Ethiopian Bible which is the oldest in the world with over 80 books?

Cc: Steep

The bible is just 66 books, Genesis to revelation.

OkCornel:
Nigerian Christians and their sentimental thinking.

Ok, kindly explain to us how you use those erotic words in Songs of Solomon to instil morals in your kids….hmmm?

Songs of Solomon 4 v 3-5;

3 Your lips are like a scarlet thread, and your mouth is lovely. Your cheeks are like halves of a pomegranate behind your veil.
4 Your neck is like the tower of David, built in rows of stone; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors.
5 Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies.


Do you use them as prayer points?

Where is the evidence reproof, correct and instruction in righteousness in these erotic words?

what do you mean by Nigerian Christians? In your stupidity you quote just a snipeth of it hoping to make a jest out of it.

So what is wrong in mentioning breast?


Didn't the book of proverb teach same?

What is being thought is pure love and desire withing the context of marriage.




Proverbs 5:18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

5:19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

You are an ignorant man, so scripture is meant to be used as prayer points?
You are blind that is why you can't see any instruction in songs of Solomon.
Songs of Solomon is showing us the relationship between jehovah and Israel, christ and the church m, husband and wife, desire with purity, patience, faithfulness, and commitment.
All scriptures are given in righteousness.

plantist:
She goat. Na grass full your brain

Why are you insulting her, she told the truth.

OkCornel:
How can these verses be used for doctrine, reproof, correct and instruction in righteousness?

Songs of Solomon 4 v 3-5;

3 Your lips are like a scarlet thread, and your mouth is lovely.Your cheeks are like halves of a pomegranate behind your veil.
4 Your neck is like the tower of David, built in rows of stone; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors.
5 Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle, that graze among the lilies.

All scriptures including songs of Solomon is given for reproof, correction....

Songs of Solomon reveals what true love is about withing the context of marriage.

Every scripture reveals christ, you don't know this that is why you speak in ignorance.

If true then Joshua Selma is a false teacher.

delkuf:
what you said is wrong. Faith does not cover sin. When sin and die, you end up in hell

op didn't say faith cover sin.
Read 1 John 1 vv 7 to end.

Kobojunkiee:
Oh my! I see all those questions pulled you into a zone your mind has never been before now.

Run go ask your pastors and mogs --- your gods of men ---, and then come back and tell us what answers they feed you next so we can continue from where you stopped.

Deluded junky.

Kobojunkie:
It's been how many years now and you continue to reason like someone whose skull is crawling with tambolo, why? The "everybody" that you claim laughs at me, are they not of the same religious cloth that you are cut out of? When the religious folks took Jesus Christ for a joke eventually condemning him to death when they felt His jokes had gone too far did it in any way diminish the fact that they were all liars while Jesus Christ was indeed the truth of God? Please, unplug your brain from that religious network every now and then so you can in fact engage it for your own soul's sake.

When a king sentences an individual or even a demon to eternity in a prison, does He not make sure that prison is in a place ruled over by Him in order that He could ensure the sentence is enforced for eternity?
Jesus Christ made clear that He is ruler over a Kingdom that is not of this world - John 18 vs 36 -, and Jesus Christ made clear that eternity is not possible except through Him. So, what other Kingdom exists that is not of this world where eternity is a possibility?
What other Kingdom, ruled over by another King, is there for Jesus Christ to exile the devil and His demons to for eternity?
Above, we read that the King will authorize His own angels to throw the evil people — the demons— into a place of fire to burn. Can the angels throw the demons in a place where the King has no authority over— another King's land?

In the same book of Matthew, Jesus Christ informed you that there are two parts to the Kingdom of God; Heaven which is an end for those who access through the Narrow gate; and Hell which is the end that awaits those who access through the Broad Gate - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 - meaning that there are two different places within the Kingdom of God ruled over by Jesus Christ. Or do you reason that Jesus Christ came to tell you of 2 Kingdoms, one which He is king over, and another which He has absolutely no power over, both of which you can access through His very own Kingdom?

Just an aside, notice how little to no concern you give to the fact that you make Jesus Christ appear nothing but a liar with each post of yours on here. Are you sure you are born again to start with? Do you have evidence that proves this to be the case? Or is your claim all of mental assent/con(-fidence) and nothing else?

You are really a donkey junky, you are filled with junks.

Janosky:
Genesis 6:3, Adam is flesh.
Ephesians 4:6 God is the Father of ALL flesh and ALL Spirits.

Our Father (of spirits) in heaven (& flesh on earth).
John 20:17 " I am ascending to my Father and your Father"
This is Bible truth non negotiable.

yes God is the father of all because all things came from him but however there is a special fatherhood of God that only those who are born of God comes under.
That is what I am talking of.

Janosky:

Are angels Spirits?
Are angels sons of God?

This fact is not for debate:
Anyone dwelling in heaven is a spirit in heaven.


Is Adam flesh?
Who is Adam's Father?

Oga Steep ,why ?
You suppose done pass this level nau

oga Janosky, e better make you just keep quiet and beg God make he show you the truth.

Kobojunkie:
The deluded liar here is the one who claims in Jesus Christ yet selectively refuses to believe the same Jesus Christ when He teaches that demons and devil are equally a part of the same Kingdom of God which Jesus Christ brought down and threw open when He died and rose from the dead.

In one breath you proclaim God a liar whereas in the other you suggest you believe in Him. Make up your mind abeg and stop living miserably.

everybody is laughing at your stupidity, you lied saying Demons believe in the finished work of christ, you don't even know what finished work of christ mean, I pity for your soul.
I asked you where you get that from the scripture that demons believe in the finished work of christ, you spinning and trying to twist it around.

You are the one who is a liar here.

Second lie again, claiming that Jesus teaches that demons are going to be part of God's kingdom.

I would not have bothered but your madness and lies need to be exposed.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Kobojunkie, didn't Jesus say All things that offend would be out of his kigdom?
You are just a deluded liar

TenQ:
That is why one must factor in the difference in definition.

It is impossible to have faith without believing.
BUT
It is possible to believe without having faith in a personality.

I can believe Peter Obi won the Election without having Faith in Peter Obi!

I can believe my neighbour stole my goat without having faith in my neighbour.

HOWEVER
I can believe that my wife will not commit Adultery and have Faith in my Wife.

I can believe that God will not Fail me and have Faith in God.

Faith is a Trust leading to a Dependency on the INTEGRITY of a Personality.


I hope the illustration is clearer of the difference between faith and belief

Thanks for your input, totally aligned with my position, which is scriptural.
The demons believe there is God but do not put their trust in him.

Kobojunkie:
Lol... so Jesus Christ, the one who informed you in Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46 that Eternal Damnation is made for the devil and his angels is a deluded liar then? Good to know what you in fact think of Him!

sounding like a broken record already, Don't change topic, where in the bible is it written that Demons believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross?

You are a deluded liar.
Your case is that you are in a very strong delusion and convinced that the lies you have being fed is the truth, you have somehow convinced yourself you are wise or intellectual mean while your foolishness is epic.

TenQ:
There is a subtle difference between FAITH and BELIEF!

1. Belief is your Conviction about an Issue or person
2. Faith is a Trust leading to Dependence on a Personality

yes that is the definition of belief, it is a conviction about something on someone but however, to believe in something or someone is to trust in that person on thing, Erich itself is faith.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, so "finished work" of Jesus Christ now means Jesus Christ died for one? Interesting delusion of choice!

Jesus Christ brought down with Him the Kingdom of God and it is in that same Kingdom of God that you are told that the devil and his Demons will end up at the end - Matthew 25 vs 41 - 46. Demons know this and they believe that they are a part of the Kingdom of God which Jesus Christ rules over.

Everybody who read your post will laugh at you.
Deluded liar.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible said Adam is God's Son! Luke 3:38

Was Adam (the first man) flesh or spirit?

Adam's was made in God's image and God's image has nothing to do with the flesh.
So nothing like human sons or spirit sons just sons of God.