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Michael548:
Is is not clear from verse 28 that the son is subjected to someone?
How come he is equal to the one he is subjected to?
Please you guys should do more research on Trinity to save further arguments.

You do not know what Trinity is.
Many people have explained it to you yet you remain adamant.
The Trinity describes the being of God.
Jesus is equally God with the Father and the Holy Spirit but humanly, Jesus is less than the father.

Michael548:
How does that relate

Let him answer it.

Michael548:
Explain 1 Corinthians 15:28

Read from 21.


1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Also read Hebrews 2, and psalm 8.

These chapters are speaking of the Adamic dominion and glory.

The first Adam was given power and dominion and glory but he failed and brought death, then God made another Adam, Jesus to restore all that Adam lost. Christ must reign in his humanity until all things are put under his adamic authority and power, after this christ in this adamic dominion, authority glory and power be subject to the Father, and the adamic kingdom handed over to the father.

Scriptures must agree and explain scripture.

Janosky:


This is the DECEIT in the Trinity doctrine.

Oga, ALLOW the holy scriptures to teach you.....
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[e] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

Do you have more authority than your God?

Why do you persist with the Fallacy that Jesus has equal authority with his God and Father?

Revelation 3:12,14,21 & 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 knocks out the Trinitarians fraud of equal authority.

Is there equal authority of God & Jesus in the spiritual realm?

Your own Bible, Revelation 3:12,21, Jesus says none,He worships his God and Father (meaning Senior) in the spiritual realm..
Also,@ 1 Corinthians 15:27-28, Paul the apostle agreed with Revelation 3:12,14,21.

Do you believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus?

Michael548:
So between the Son and the father, who has more authority?

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


Jesus was made a little lower than the angels

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The only reason Jesus is lower in authority than the father is in his humanity.

Michael548:
If he is less than the father in authority that simply means that he is not the almighty God and cannot be equal to God

Jesus only has less authority than the father in his humanity.

TradingGod:
You are a god and part of the Holy trinity
LORD JESUS CHRIST is our Father

We are His sons

We carry His Divine nature (Holy Spirit)


Can a Lion be a father of a goat? No!


A Lion can only be a father to a younger lion

you have being decieved by demons.

Even a mad person born mad has a level of sanity once a while.
All shall be judged according to their works.

TradingGod:
St. John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His Holy Name:

It is clear you don't understand what you are quoting and you don't care about it.

TradingGod:
John 10:34 Jesus answered, “It is written in your own Law that God said, ‘You are gods.’

John 10:35 We know that what the scripture says is true forever; and God called those people gods, the people to whom his message was given.

They are called gods not because they actually gods but because they represented God on earth.

Psalm 82 is speaking about men that God appointed as Judges over Israel but however they became corrupt and were subsequently demoted by God.

God also elevated Moses and made him a God over pharoah, does that make Moses God? No
It means Moses represented God to Pharaoh.

You guys get these demonic teachings from ministers of Satan.

Michael548:
The word 'Almighty' means supreme or the highest. Jesus is saying that the Father is the supreme over him. Please this thing is simple English.

The answer to your question is that Jesus, the Father and the holy Spirit has different roles.
The father is the authority of God, he ordains and determines what and what will happen

The word exercises the father's authority and fulfills the father's plan

The holy Spirit brings empowerment


The creation for example was design, planned and ordained by the father but came to being through the agency of the Son speaking them into existence and the holy Spirit enables them to be.

Salvation was the father's design and plan but was fulfilled by the Son and enabled by the Spirit.

The authority of the Son to act and reign as the Christ was derived from the Father, and the Sons kingdom was established to save mankind but would at the end be subject to the Father.

Michael548:
Are you saying that the term Trinity does not teach that Jesus is equal to God?
A simple research on trinity can answer that question.

Jesus is equally God with the Father but he is less than the father in authority

TradingGod:
1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

This has no relationship with psalm 82 vv 6.

TradingGod:
Psalms 82:6 I have said, “You are gods,
and sons of the Most High, all of you.

That is a metaphor

Michael548:
Does that mean equality or unity?

It means unity.

TradingGod:
God the Spirit is God the Father
God the Father is Lord Jesus
Holy Spirit is Lord Jesus

Man is God the Son
If Adam passed the test of self control when eve test him, he would have become the first God the Son, but he lost that title because he couldn't pass the test
* that title was inside the tree of Life

This is modalism, it is unbiblical.

Incognito21:
Though I’ve been having several encounters when I was little and when I was in high school, before the church delivered me, though right now I’m not a fan of church but I do acknowledge that someone is above all and I call this being I am above all. So many encounters which i won’t want to bore anyone with.

The gate way of demons to a man is sin and the only way to get rid of sin as an unbeliever is to repent and believe in Jesus Christ in other to recieve forgiveness and freedom from the devil.

The devil wants to make use of you.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

jaephoenix:
Oh yes he did
God created
1. The Forbidden Tree
2. Satan
3. Eve
These 3 factors aided and abetted the crime.
So yes, yahweh, tempted him
Just like tying a mans hands, throwing him into a river and expecting him to live.
How?

So if a man goes ahead to drink from a river that is not meant for drinking after he is told, so the river should be blamed for his actions?
The devil never came to Adam by the way,
Adam was to lead eve as the head not the other way round, he allowed eve lead him, Adam just like people don't have any excuse.

All you try to do is avoid responsibility. Adam responsibility was to ensure he keeps to God's commandments.

jaephoenix:
So lemme get this straight.
You(yahweh) sent your son(humans) to school(life) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school?
By the way, what choice are you talking about? Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard [/b]to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he [b]allowed Satan(an omnipresent being) to finish the job of tempting man? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice?
Are you seeing how Yahweh stacked up the odds against poor Adam. Almost as if he wants the dude to fail
Makes sense then

By the way, Adam was not tempted but rather it was eve that was tempted.

Where did you get, that God paid Satan to tempt man?

God already gave Adam and eve authority on earth, so it is Adam and eve's duty to resist the devil but they didn't.

Adam chosed to listen to the voice of eve than God.

God will not take away your responsibility just because you would in the future make a bad choice.

By the way Satan is not omniscient, he is just a creature and could be very much defeated only if Adam stick to what God told him.

The odds where never stacked against Adam.
He was created in a perfect environment
He had the voice of God speaking to him directly.
Was given authority and dominion on earth, every thing on earth literally submit to him
Was given instruction about things so he knew what to do or what not to do.
The odds were stacked in his favour but threw all that away just perhaps to please his wife.

jaephoenix:
But Yahweh caused it. Why did he tempt them, knowing they'll fail?

God did not tempt man.
He was clear told the consequence of his disobedience.

jaephoenix:
But Yahweh created Lucifer, and knew he'd deceive man, yet allowed him to go on

man made his choice from options God gave him, even if God knows before what choice man takes he however would not violate his freewill.

jaephoenix:
Which god does China, Czech Republic, UK pray to?

every nation has challenges that are peculiar to them however the extent is determined by how much they utilize what God gives them.

Why devil, Adam and eve separated themselves from God, Jesus showed us what loyalty, obedience and dependence on God is,

This is what God want from humanity what nobody ever gave him except Jesus.

It is the same ideology he sold to Eve when he spoke to her.

The idea of becoming like God, to be independent of God.
This is the luciferian ideology, it is the root of all false religion, atheism secularism and the foundation of human civilisation and systems.

The reject the truth about God, he wanted to be his own boss and also have others worship him as God.
Though his position was very high but God's position is the highest to whom every creation looks up to. Compared to God lucifer was insignificant but he wanted to magnify himself for all creation to look up to him, he didn't want to be dependent on God.

Origin of sin

Sin began with lucifer focus and depended on himself rather than God.


Look at what Jesus said about Satan

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The devil knew the truth but reject it, why because he wanted to be independent from from God.

Angels were created perfected but not infallible hence just like men they needed to depend on God. They needed to show loyalty faith, and appreciation to God.

Even when God knew Adam would sin but his purpose is greater, he made a way of salvation in other to have many sons.

The purpose of God creating man is to have Sons.
Everything that God allow and does not allow revolve around his eternal purpose of having Sons.
When God created man, he needed to learn and needed to be given opportunity to show his appreciation, loyalty and dependence on God by simply obeying God's instruction.

Also Adam needed to have faith in God, because without faith it is impossible to please God.
Through these Adam gets to know truly who God is.
It is a necessary step.

Steep:
It is common for people to ask some questions like
If God knew Adam will sin why did he allow Adam sin or why did he create him at all?

Why did God create the tree of knowledge of God and evil? Why did God allow Satan into the Garden of Eden?

If heaven was a perfect place how did Satan had the thought of sin?

Who tempted Satan?

Why did God create people he knew would be condemned?

These and many questions honestly prove very difficult for many Christians to answer.

However father God has given us am important answer as to the reason of creation in his Holy Word the bible.

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

The ultimate purpose for God's creation is "for his pleasure"

Both however this purpose is fulfilled in God having sons.

Cancri:
My biggest quation is why did GOD all suffering?


Why is that we pray for year and yet no answer to our problems even when we have faith?

First of all, why did God allow suffering? The sufferings in this world is because humans do not obey God, this disobedience has affected all things and made things difficult for everyone. This disobedience is called sin. Sin brought pain, sorrow, sufferings of all shades and ultimately death.
Take for example, Nigeria, because of the corruption fueled by greed for wealth and sensual pleasures brought untold hardship, the desperation and quest for power leads many to do all manner of things in order to get power.
Nigeria is blessed with resources but few has hijacked it to the detriment of others, those given to lead others use it as an opportunityto commit oppression, the market men and women, both the educated and uneducated rich and poor, young or old are committing sin, the result is untold hardship, and people are blaming God for the wickedness?

There are many reasons why prayers are not answered or seems not to be answered?

1. When one is a sinner God does not hear their prayer.
2. Not praying according to the will of God
3. The the answer God gives is not what we expect.

Dtruthspeaker:
Because He is not your Father. He is just a very good Person who is pittying the suffering of children who do not belong to Him so once in a while He drops a little something for them but you are not His children, so there is only so little He can do.

This is not the right answer. Even those who belongs to him still suffer