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AmeLonRo:
The question on some lips is that in the betrayal case of Peter and Judas, it seems God love Peter more than Judas? Peter betrayed Jesus and he was pardoned while Judas also betrayed Him and was never pardoned.

Lets look at the content to know what is happening or what happened.

Jesus came to the world with a purpose and a mission - to serve, to redeem by being the sacrifice to pay for our sins, and to establish the church through His apostles until His return. The church was then to go out and spread the Gospel. Each of the twelve disciples, hand-picked by Jesus, followed Him in life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XkUonGbcWc

Peter believed in Jesus while Judas did not.
In other words Peter was christ sheep while Judas was not.

So even before Peter denied Jesus, He has already prayed for Peter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZdv-TtiMkg

According to false witness organization the lake of fire is only symbolic, it means total anhillation.
But however, the scriptures makes it clear that
People in the lake of fire are tormented day and night forever.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

It is not possible to be tormented for all eternity if they are just anhilated.


Another evidence that the the torment in the lake of fire is for all eternity
Is what happens to lucifer, Lucifer will be arrested for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


Meanwhile, the antichrist and the false prophets were cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


After the thousand years are over Satan is released and allowed to decieve the nations after which is is finally cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Now notice that the antichrist and false prophets were still in the lake of fire even after a thousand years.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

For those people who think the lake of fire is mere anhillation, you have to realise that you are wrong.
God's Judgments are terrible.

Janosky:
Please dump this your DUBIOUS claim in the dustbin.
@ Zechariah 3:2, "the Lord rebuke you" quoted by Jude 1:9, is Zechariah 3:2 a reference to Jesus?

Jude 1:9 & Zechariah 3:2, correct translation is "Jehovah (YHWH) rebuke you."

Your fictitious claim is the same as saying that Matthew 4:10 referenced worship to Jesus when you know he quoted Deuteronomy 6:13.

Oga, you are not honest to yourself.

There is nothing to argue here.
Angels don't have authority to rebuke Satan eg Michael couldn't rebuke Satan without appealing to Jehovah but Jesus rebuked Satan by his own authority.

Janosky you are really off. Your gibberish does not have head or tail.

These are just a few of them.

Don't let false religion destroy you, read the Bible for yourself because eternity is not what you play with.

Jesus are ministering spirit meaning by nature they are servants.

Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


Jesus had to lower himself to become a servant.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Meaning Jesus was never a servant before he took the form.

The meaning of angel means servant, archangel means cheif servants.

So Jesus was never an angel.

Jesus share same glory with the father.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


Jesus said all things that the father has are his.

John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

All the glory power and majesty of the father also belongs to Jesus.


And these He had with the father before the world began note Jesus wasn't given but he has it with the father.

Is the voice of the archangel same as the voice of Jesus?

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

This is quite simple.

There are three sounds here, the shout of the Lord, the voice of the archangel and the trump of God.

There myriads of scriptures that totally anhillate this false teaching.
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1. Authority- we see that not even the archangel micheal can rebuke Satan bit he has to depend on the Lord to rebuke Satan meaning Satan had a higher authority than Michael.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
But Jesus rebuked Satan directly.

Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Note that Jesus at his earthly ministry was made lower than the angels.
Now if Jesus at his lowest state had more authority than angel Michael then Jesus must indeed be greater than the angels.

2. Jesus accept worship/obeisance
Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

God commanded all the angels of God to worship Jesus.

Now granted that humans could pay obeisance to earthly kings but angels never pay obeisance to earthly kings only to God alone.

Angels never accept worship.

Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

stevo123:
I was reading my Bible and I come across this bible verse. I ask so many pastor to explain this verse but all are just saying something else, cause the bible verse was very specific. I guess because it doesn't align with there believe.... But the bible can't be lying na...

John: 5 vs 26-29.

26,For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27,And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28,Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29,And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


If this verse is saying the dead will raise again to face judgement. Then why are they preaching that once a man dies he is going to face judgement. Those that mean there is going to be two judgement?...

Once a man dies his judgment is fixed.

Just like when police arrest someone, he is first detained before being arraigned in court.
Hell is like a detention before being arraigned before the great white throne.

nwekeugochukwu:
Nigerian televangelist, Mike Bamiloye took to his Instagram page to ask men a question pertaining to running errands for their wives, IGBERETV reports.



https://www.instagram.com/p/Cm462Ihs_Kd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

yes, however not out of compulsion.

Zonefree:
The only way to achieve a happy marriage is to be submissive to your husband. Qed!


Happy wedding anniversary to them.

Plus husbands love their wives.
The word of God does not fail.

It is better to follow Jesus, not society, government or any institutions, those who follow Jesus receives eternal life.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


Outside Jesus there is no purpose or meaning to life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

MaxInDHouse:
He OBTAINED it meaning he worked for it!

Is the issue about Jesus working or not working? You have diverted. Hebrews clearly differentiated Jesus from angels. I know you have seen it.

They all mediate using the blood of animals but this man mediated using his own precious blood {Act 20:28 compare to Hebrews 9:12} that is what no human can do {Psalms 49:7-9} because only a perfect human can pay up the debt Adam brought upon all his descendants! 1Corinthians 15:45

Don't be upset now, you challenged Jehovah's Witnesses so let's do this with maturity! 1Peter 3:15

Again diverting from the issue at hand.

This below was your statement

Mediator between man and God so he can't be the mediator and at the same time the other party. So he is the one in between man and God Almighty!

@bolded this has nothing to do with shedding or not shedding his blood.
I know you have seen the truth but just trying to play around it.

Janosky:
Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament.

Oga Steep,is that "Mounce Interlinear" a Greek Interlinear?

This speaks volumes:
Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."

Where is the interlinear?

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from the Almighty God all other heavenly beings are angels the only thing Jesus had that no other can meet up is the title CHRIST which no other creature can meet up because he is the only one who was able to save mankind from sin through his sacrificial death.

How can Jesus be greater than the angels if is an angel?
You lack basic understanding in English.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritanceobtained a more excellent name than they.

Hebrews clearly separated Jesus from the angels.

The use of "The angels" "They" is used to separate class.
Jesus is not of the class of angelic beings but he is separate.
On the other hand Jesus after his resurrection called his disciples "my brethren" angels never called men their brethren even if they appeared as men they never.

Mediator between man and God so he can't be the mediator and at the same time the other party. So he is the one in between man and God Almighty!

So the priest in the old testament that mediate for the people are no humans right?
Moses that was a mediated for the Isrealities for God not to destroy them is not a human?

This is what happen when you resist the truth, you become like beasts of the field.

2 Timothy 2 vv 5 clear called Jesus a man, if Jesus was not presently a man Paul wouldn't have called Jesus a man.

Janosky:
Steep: "Jesus possess the full divine nature of God.... Jesus is Jehovah God."

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9,"the Colossians were being taught that Christ is NOT fully God."

Conflicting revelations to two veteran Trinitarians from the same ghost.

If a person possesses the full nature of man he is a man.
Btw, mounce can not be a trinitarian if he deny the deity of Jesus.
spirit of false witness has deluded you to the extent your even a dumb donkey understand better than you.

Janosky:
Oga Steep,if you have any PROOF that @ Colossians 1:19,2:9-10, Mounce is different from Greek interlinear , please kindly bring it on.

Shalom.

Why are you running from the Greek interlinear?

MaxInDHouse:
He OBTAINED a more excellent name after his successfully earth mission {Matthew 28:18} before then he was the first angel God directly created! Colossians 1:15

@ bolded so Jesus is no longer an angel because according to Hebrews Jesus is currently better than the angels.

Of course he lived as flesh among humans {John 1:14} so he was a man whose lifestyle we can take as our role model! 1Peter 2:21
We can't imitate someone who never lived in the flesh like us nah!

According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is currently a man in heaven.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He described the mediator as the man christ Jesus. This is not a past tense but a present terms.

Janosky:
Oga Steep,is Colossians 1:19 & 2:10 in your Bible?

Bill Mounce: @ Colossians 2:9 "The Colossians were being taught that Jesus is NOT fully God".

Why is the same ghost given Oga Steep and Bill Mounce his fellow Trinitarian,a conflicting information on Colossians 2:9?

Kai !!!!!!!!

while don't you quote the Greek interlinear and compare it with mounce?
Even the mounce stated that Jesus possesses the full divine nature of God, that is the same as saying Jesus is Jehovah God.

MaxInDHouse:
No Jesus was one of the spirit sons of God in heaven (angels) before his earthly life {John 8:23} while all humans are fleshy descendants of Adam. But Jehovah (not Jesus) is the same God that bestow the authority upon whoever He wants to be called "God" Exodus 7:1

How can Jesus be an angel and yet better than the angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

According to 1 Timothy 2 vv 5 Jesus is a man.

Janosky:
No
Not "in Christianity" but according to Trinitarians who invented the words "essence" & "deity" which are NOT in Greek holy scriptures .
Both words "Essence and deity were inventions of men (screenshot evidence) to TWIST the holy scriptures.
The Greek holy scriptures calls Theiotes "divine nature." No Maggi,no pepper.
Not godhead,not deity, man made pepper and Maggi.



Colossians 2:9,Jesus Christ possess the fullness of divine nature & the divine nature was SHARED with believers in heaven, 2 Peter 1:4 & Colossians 2:10
Colossians 1:19 God his Father given Jesus his divine nature.
Still God the Father is NOT under subjection to Jesus,1 Corinthians 15:27.
deity means a god/goddess (screenshot evidence)

Shikena!



@ Greek Colossians 2:9 theiotes divine nature NOT deity,not godhead.

For the sake of readers.
Theias is the adjectivial form of theios and when it actually means godlike.

Divine can mean godlike, deity, etc when it is used as a noun it is either theiotes (God's nature revealed) or theotes (God's nature as he is)
Or divine can translated from the word theias which is an adjective meaning godlike.

The nature Christians partake of was described as theias (godlike or from God) but the nature christ possesses is theotes meaning Godhood, deity , God ad he is.

tctrills:
If their purpose was to glorify God yet they did not have the opportunity to do so, then was their live a waste? Now would they be saved?

It is sin that waste the lives of people however, everyone has the opportunity to seek God.
Salvation is only through Christ and only the Father determines who come to christ.

Michael547:
Hmmm...interesting explanation....I have some questions though....chat me up on 08167469103

sorry, sir, I don't do private chat.

tctrills:
I actually have two questions here.
1. What is the life's purpose of those who from the times of Adam, never heard about Jesus Christ.
Why were they created without an opportunity to hear about Jesus Christ?


2. What would be their fate in the end?

The life purpose of everyone is to glorifiy God. They never heard Jesus because the opportunity to hear about Jesus is from the Father.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The people who would be saved are already known by God.

Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

God is the one that chooses those who are to br saved.

However, does this mean God is partial? No

Right from creaton God had put things in place to draw people to him.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

God has always done things to make people seek him.
God has never being far at all but instead people twisted the glory of God attributing his power to creatures.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

It is out of God's goodness he decided to save man but yet not everyone will believe and God knows exactly those who will believe.

To these people God predstinated to be conform to the image of Jesus even before the world was created.

God saw the future, makes plans and fulfill his plans without contradicting his nature and also for his glory. His God's purpose of creation would be achieved at the end of the day.

Aemmyjah:
Go and worship your mystery
'We worship what we know'- John 4:22

If I don't know why would you be asking me to explain?

Aemmyjah:
You better be careful not to blaspheme God with your stupid teachings
How does you illustration of ice water match with God and what is the basis of such illustration from the Bible?

Explain how the holy spirit is a person na

Do you know the pharisee wanted to kill Jesus because of this same allegation of blasphemy? Have you ever thought what if this is the truth? Only the holy Spirit can convince you no man can.

Why will I waste my time explaining something since you already termed it blasphemy.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why it was forced on people during the dark ages many were killed and intimidated to accept this religions because there's no way any right thinking person could be convinced to trust a mystery.

You are ignorant, even the prophets in the old testament didn't understood what was given to them yet trusted God.
The gospel was a mystery till christ came and even after he came the disciples didn't fully understood until the holy spirit came.
The righteous men in the bible didn't understood everything about God even yet they trusted God.

Aemmyjah:
In the commonest terms. It means
The Father is God
The Son is God
The holy spirit is God. Yet,there are no three gods but one God
All are equal, eternal and Almighty and they are not separate or distinct but one God in three modes


Can you illustrate this using examples?
No wonder why they say the Trinity is a mystery and God is mysterious. If God is mysterious, how can we know him or draw close to him?

example in what way? An illustration would be water, steam is water, ice is water, and liquid water is water but however, steam is not ice, ice is not condensed water but they have same chemical composition H2O.
Trinity however is not forms of God neither is it modes of God but persons of the one being God.
God is triune, for example when God said "let us create man in our image" who was he talking to? The heavenly host? No Isaiah and job said God alone made the heavens and formed the earth and there was no one with him, so he wasn't talking to the heavenly host.
John 1 vv 1 through Jesus all things were made how is this possible when Jehovah said he formed the heavens and earth alone and by himself?
John rightly said that the word was God, since Jesus is God then Jehovah is correct that he created the earth by himself.

Jesus bear all the titles of God, Jesus said all that the father has also belongs to him, Jesus called himself the I AM a name exclusive to Jehovah.

However, Jesus took a position that is lower than God John 1 vv 14 says the word became flesh.
Jesus took the form of a servant and was obedient unto death.
Jesus is the word of God meaning all the plans and purposes of the father can only come through by Jesus , since in the trinity is there are roles or order just as your body has functions.
Jesus who is the word fulfills the plan and design of God the father to save man and to do this he had to take a lower position.

what of after his resurrection and in heaven did Jesus stop being a man?

No, Jesus never stop being a man neither did he stopped being God he his the God-man meaning Jesus could exercise both qualities at will but when on earth his humanity was what he displayed ( the days of his flesh) meaning Jesus knowledge of things was limited, he experienced all humans experienced except sin but after his resurrection he was now glorified, his humanity was glorified but however he is still a man. 2 Timothy 2 vv5.

God is mysterious, but that mystery is revealed in christ by the holy Spirit.

Aemmyjah:
What is this one even saying?
Your use of scriptures do not even support Trinity and you're even contradicting those that teach Trinity
Go and meet your folks and ask them to lecture you in Trinity proper

Jehovah is the true God, the only true God. Even Jesus Christ acknowledge it in his conversation with Satan at Matthew 4:10
Read Deuteronomy 6:4
Jesus is the son of God

The head of the woman is the man (Is the woman and man the same)
The head of the man is Christ (is the Christ and man the same)
The head of the Christ is God

If you say Jesus Christ is God or the Father, it won't make sense to say that the man and the woman are not the same person

That is why I asked maxD what he knew Trinity is?
If you knew what Trinity is, you won't be asking this questions.

MaxInDHouse:
Who subjected or gave him all things?

the answer is God is a Trinity, one person of the Godhead (the father) gave Jesus the second person because Jesus us also the son of man.

I bet you don't even know what this verse mean below.

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jesus is given authority and dominion because he is the Son of man.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.