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Lucrativress:
Can't you see that you are not intelligent?
I asked you a simple question and you couldn't even answer right

Why are you attacking the young man. What he considers intelligence may not be what you consider intelligence.

To some, especially the ladies, intelligence is how fast and witty one can be when chatting or how well they can use stickers and emojis to spice up the gist.

To some, especially guys, it's how well she can discuss topical issues, politics, sports, or other stuff not related to her book knowledge.

For someone like me, it's about knowing the trends in tech and digital space, understanding the financial markets, and being able to discuss events happening around the world — including central banks meetings and decisions. I always imagine coming in, and she asks me: "hey boo, what do you think about this or that stock? See their last quarter earnings, this and that"

My point is, most times, it's really about one's area of interest, and it goes both ways.

So, the most important thing is to find someone who shares the same interests as you.

begoniaa:
[color=dodgerblue]Can you see why ya unmarried? How do you expect to be picked by the woman you desire when you're not strategically and brilliantly marketing yourself nor paying attention to your aura and words?

Your redpilll leaning is another thing that could be chasing an alpha, matriachal woman away from you. I mean, imagine an obstinate man with strong views who's not ready to be submissive.[/color]



[color=dodgerblue]Um. Hello. Where do we put SMV, high-value, and "men hage like wine and can get the choicest of young virgins?" O.O You want to tell me girls are not flocking to you??

Omo. That's awa own script, na. *We* are the ones that get desperate and found wanting "for" a man as we grow older. Una don forget?[/color]

"an obstinate man with strong views who's not ready to be submissive"


This statement is somehow. So, men should now be submissive to their wives?

I can understand "agree with", share ideas, seek opinion, and make certain decisions together as adults who will bear the consequences of those decisions together.

But being submissive to the wife? Hmmm

My dear, try to choose your words carefully if that's not who you are. But if that's who you are, hmmm!

HellVictorinho:
Baseless.

Well, if it's beyond your scope, there's nothing I can do about that.

ChocolateWine:
Angry? For what? If God chooses to burn people in hell how is that supposed to be my business? He made all things and has the right to whatever he choses without taking our permission. (or is this assertion wrong too?)



what do you mean by the bolded? You mean if we took our time to analyze those scriptures and we arrive that they are all parables, you wont accept it? If you choose not to be logical, then there is no point for the discussion.




I mean what is my business with what he choses to do? I am only interested in what the bible says he would do. I have asked, would we say the bible contradict itself seeing that other parts of the bible preaches death as the punishment of unrighteous people?

Death is even a greater punishment than hellfire.

If Hushpuppi or Obinwanne Okeke is given a death sentence or a 30 years imprisonment, what would be a fairer judgment for them? Think well bro.







Please be logical with the truth. Where in the bible does this teachings come from? I can't find these ones you have mentioned.


Bro, from the foregoing, you are far from an open mind, so comot yourself for now.





Well if they are sincere, God will open their heart.




You are still forcing hellfire down my throat.

If God is wicked, how does that help or not help you? Why are you interested in God being wicked or not?

If God is wicked, you won't worship him? Why and why not?



I see no point here




All the Christian teachings is illogical or the teaching of hell is illogical, which?

You, like every other Christian, can pick and believe only the aspects that suits them and throw away the others, which is why we have tens of thousands (if not millions) of denominations with each one singing that his own theory is the best.

So, you can deny the existence of hell and call it Gehenna or whatever you like. But, what you cannot deny is the several times Jesus Himself vividly described eternal torment and suffering!

dgee1:
The reason for the confusion about the word hell, as it is indiscriminately used in the Bible, is because of the confusing and obscuring job translators did when they were translating the Bible from Greek and Hebrew to the English language.

Hell is an old English word. Centuries ago, when the Authorized Version was translated, the people of England commonly talked of "putting their potatoes in hell for the winter, a good way of preserving potatoes. The word, at that time, merely meant a hole in the ground which is covered up, a dark and silent place, a grave. A few influential men since the time of Christ left writings and teachings which became so universally believed that they became the accepted doctrine of the Christian-professing world. Pagan teachings influenced these translators to misapply and mistranslate the old English word hell.

Volumes have been written to explain this issue about hell, but please research these Greek words: gehenna, hades, and tartaros. Also, read about this Hebrew word: sheol. The meanings of these words have been confused with each other when translators were trying to make one English word hell stand for the definitions of all these words. This is the reason for the confusion.

About this talk of people burning in unquenchable fire, please read Jeremiah 17: 27. In that verse, the God of the Bible said he would burn Jerusalem's gate with a fire that would not be quenchable. The fire occurred a few years later, and it destroyed all the houses of Jerusalem (Jeremiah 52:1). Since God said this fire 'shall not be quenched' and since it is not burning today in 2021, it obviously went out by itself after devouring all combustible material.

The fires that also burned wicked cities in the Bible simply went out after consuming all combustible material. Even so will it be with the fire that will burn the wicked. It will be unquenchable but will finally burn itself out. The fire will not be quenched or put out prematurely by anyone. The Bible proves that the 'fire that never shall be quenched' will NOT torment people forever.

Mtt 13:41,50, Mtt 25: 41, 46, Mark 9:48, Revelation: 14:10 -11, Revelation: 20:14-15 that you quoted have all been shown not to mean eternal torment in fire. Some of these things and their explanations don't belong in the public space. Contrary to what mainstream Christianity teaches, God is not struggling with Satan to get as many people as possible saved. He has a plan bring everyone to salvation. The Bible is a very coded book. You need keys to unlock so many vital knowledge that book contains.

Did you know COVID-19 and many other plagues were foretold in the Bible? They Assyrians, Moabites, Edomites and the 12 tribes of Israel remain today. They are not lost, and they are all behaving just as the Bible says the would!

The Bible is a living and the most plausible book in the world. But you have to prove it for yourself, just as no one can prove or disprove the existence of God to another person. We all need to do our proving or disproving, and our believing or unbelieving. The God of the Bible no force anyone to follow him way. Never! How peaceful!!

The God of the Bible calls Satan 'the god of this world' (2 Corinthians 4:4), and says he 'deceives the whole world' (Revelation 12:9). Have billions of people not been deceived?

Funny how you guys hold on to that Gehenna and through away all the several places Jesus Himself vividly described torment by fire and the eternal nature of the torment! Continue deceiving yourselves!

As for your stories about the Assyrians and Edomites, even our Ancestors told us how some people behave, and they act that way till today. The people Egbaland behave like the people of Egbaland up to today. The Oyos behave like the Oyos, the Ifes behave like the Idea, the Ijebu man acts like an Ijebu man, and the Fulanis have been conquering territories since the time of Usman Don Fodio.

HellVictorinho:
That is not logical.
The presence of things doesn't mean there is a supreme being.
The presence of things only means there isn't nothing.
In other words,since infinite things exist, nothing doesn't exist.
It is impossible for nothing to exist.

Because you deliberately chose to limit the scope of your thinking.

You can think of it in the line of an intelligent design from an intelligent being.

You can also think of it in the line of hierarchy: There are rocks, ants, goats, humans,.... up until you get to supreme being.

That you can see, feel, taste, smell or hear something doesn't mean that it's not there. It only means that you lack the capacity to experience that thing!

I will repeat my question again: what is Soludo looking for in Anambra State?

I'm yet to understand it.

He should be going for president. In fact, SE should have presented him for job and rally around him since they're want to have a taste of Ask Rock.

Oga Soludo, Anambra State is not your level.

HellVictorinho:
No, I don't have to prove it.
I only have to apply logic.
Since there is nothing that makes any being the supreme being,then the supreme being doesn't exist.

Since there are other beings, such as yourself and other things you see around you, there must be a supreme being!

HellVictorinho:
There is no supreme being.

Lol, prove it!

HellVictorinho:
Define it your way.
Bible quotes don't work here.

Where are you coming from let me come to your level. I mistook a JW for holy ghost-parading masquerade earlier.

Are you a Christian, JW, atheist, Muslim, or Buddhist?


Well, the basic definition is this:

God is a supreme being who does whatever He wants

HellVictorinho:
Define God.

In the Christian way,

an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent being who infinitely loved his children that he sent his only begotten son to redeem them!

ChocolateWine:
I'm actually disappointed in your level of understanding. I expected more from you. Jesus spoke parables and you say they're clearly written... You need to change your moniker


Even at that if they Bible was teaching hell in this places (which I don't subscribe anyway) what is that to you?

To point out that God is cruel or what? I mean what's your point exactly. What's your interest in that?

I don't bring myself down to personal attack, so I will ignore all those because it shows you are out of points. The fact that you are angry buttresses my point — the idea of a cruel God, as you suggested, is scary for any Christian to believe!

Back to the crust of the matter:

Parable or no parable, Jesus message points to perpetual punishment and torment! Gnashing of teeth means torment!
Fire and brimstone, and sulfur all imply torment with fire!
Fiery furnace points to torment by fire


Like I said earlier, the central message is faulty. You can't wrap your head around the fact that an infinitely loving father who's omnipotent and omniscient (who knows what will happen and can prevent it if he wants to) can condemn his supposedly infinitely loved children to eternal torment for failing a test (sin) which he already knows that they will fail and can prevent if he wants.

This is where the problem lies. To maneuver your way around it, you deny the aspect of the Bible that talks about hell. Some others, like the Catholics propose a just being who punishes lesser sins with temporary torment (purgatory) and "mortal sins" with eternal damnation. The point is, different people with different theories trying to explain the illogical Christian message.

Those of us with open mind will analyze everything together and conclude that the message makes no logical sense.

The non-thinking beings who bundle everything under the holy ghost don't even understand what we're talking about because they can't think to that level — reason their pastors run business on top their heads using the holy ghost!

So, you ask what I'm driving at? If the Christian God is wicked? You tell me!

The only logical deduction when you analyze the entire message together is that the Christian message is logically implausible!

Like your group (which I believe is JW), the Catholics, and other thinking groups, I have my own theory too, but it's personal.

My official position is that the Christian central message is logically implausible, which is what is driving most thinking beings into atheism! But what those atheist don't realize is this: "that the Christian message is logically implausible does not mean that there's no God!

ChocolateWine:
Are thought we're trying to read here.

Did I tell you I subscribe to pastors amassing wealth in the expense of it's church? The Bible doesn't teach that neither do agree to that.

The verses I showed you are very clear: punishment by fire. eternal torment. You can wave them aside, or call them a place of Merry and party. Those are direct message from Jesus Himself.

ChocolateWine:
Matthew 13:41,50 Is it a parable or not?

Mtt 25: 41, 46 A parable or not?


Mark 9:48 verse 47 the ending some Bible ends with Gehenna, some end it with hell, speaking of which Gehenna was a pit outside the city wall for throwing away dustbin in ancient isreal when nothing that goes comes back alive....is that parable or not?


Revelation: 14:10 -11
Revelation: 20:14-15 Revelation the book of signs and symbols Could this be taken literally?

The question now is what does the rest of the Bible says about the fate of unrighteous people. Does it match with the theory of hell?

You can tag them whatever you want and believe the ones you want. It's your business. The game in Christianity is to explain the Bible the way it suits you and your gullible followers will believe you wholeheartedly. Play on. I love watching in 3D.

All the various theories point to one thing: the central message is faulty. You find it unthinkable that a supposed loving father can condemn his supposedly loved children to eternal fire� So, your theory is to question the idea of hell. I understand that.

But parable or no parable, it points to perpetual punishment and torment! Gnashing of teeth means torment!
Fire and sulfur implies torment with fire!

HISSCRIBE1995:
Christianity should not be ridiculed no matter what anyone says.

Don't give the un-believers any chance to ridiculed the faith by your comments.


Many are actually church- goers they don't really believe in christ, they found themselves being taken to church without any explanation from parents, and today they are hypocrites

If only you know that the best explanation is "believe by faith".

Because the more you try to explain, the more you start proposing funny theories, like the person I quoted above who is denying the existence of hell.

Her own is even worse than the Catholics. At least, those ones try to be smart pants and proposed hell for mortal sins and purgatory (temporary punishment) for lesser sins.

All these funny theories arise as a way to defend the central message, which makes no logical sense.

If you want, we walk that road, but you may never be the same afterward. The best is to believe by faith!

ChocolateWine:
First I can't find hell in the Bible. If you have show me, I'll take it from there.

You can also point to any Bible reference you're alluding to as hell so I can take it from there.


Like I've mentioned the Bible doesn't teach the punishment of man in a burning fiery torment. Adam was told, dust you are and dust you would return.

Who would watch someone suffer in fire forever and never feel sorry for them? Even you as a human would be moved, talk more of God that we learnt love from or found created as an image of him

what do you think about these:

Mtt 13:41,50
Mtt 25: 41, 46
Mark 9:48
Revelation: 14:10 -11
Revelation: 20:14-15

They are many. I want to believe you are sincere though.

ChocolateWine:
At least you're not sure yet. What's the possible contradictions?


Give an example. True Christians church don't pick and select the Bible.





Historians back the writings of the Bible. They were written by men that historians can attest to.

However the Bible outlived any book of it's time, even scientific books. His mates have become outdated. No man can match that record.

The wisdom of the Bible remains practical down to our day. Most scientific books lose their value after sometime, just as your kid won't read the books you read in school. Normal humans can't match that.

The Bible is scientifically accurate. Even before science open eyes. So it's more than human.

The Bible speaks prophecies that took 200 years and more for them to happen. At least historians can attest to that.

The Bibles understanding of human remains accurate down any generation, no book can match that.


The Bible was written by several men who never knew each other but were able to write things that accurately matches the other person. It's like writing a story book and you tell 100 men to write it without each of them talking or meeting each other. The story book would be a jargon.


The list goes on and on.....




Depends on your definition of hell. The Bible doesn't teach eternal torment. Even Adam didn't go to hell.



Still boils down to your definition of heaven. Man was never created to live in heaven.





Which part?






Which part?

Interesting.

Please, I want to know your perspective on the Bible teaching about hell.

gypsey:
correct, I agree, everything in the bible is questionable. The bible is contradictory.

Even if you assume that everything is as they say it is, you will arrive at a conclusion that the existence of such an entity that the Christians are projecting is not logically plausible.

So, the best bet for a christian is to believe by faith and not with reason — which is why we have what you see in Christianity today (a few chopping the rest mugu), and why you guys can catch cruise as you want.

But then, that the Christian message is logically implausible cannot beget the conclusion that there's no God — you can't prove that!

gypsey:
Huh! I didn't quite get you. Are you saying that God exists?

I'm saying that you can't prove whether He exists or not, even if you believe everything the Bible says. It's even worse if you use the Bible.

One can argue for or against His existence, but it's easier to argue against using the Bible.

uglodoh:
and you believed a general could give that amount? The problem we are having is not the pastors but the mumu followers who do not know their left hands from their right.

I tell you. In fact, their number makes the business model attractive and highly profitable. But a man with conscience shouldn't derive joy from deception.

gypsey:
absolutely!

we is always fun using them to catch cruise. All they have to do is accept that they do not know and cannot proof that God exists, but then these scamming pastors would lose business.

Well, the fact that these christians' message makes no logical sense doesn't mean that God does not exist. You can only conclude that their message makes no sense.

gypsey:
Not nercerssarily, but hey! What the hell! If you say so.


You are not wrong... I shouldn't.

Great.

If you have no obligation to prove your belief (that He doesn't exist), the christians have no obligation to prove their own belief — that He exists!

Nevertheless, the christians' idea of God makes no logical sense, which is why Christianity breeds atheists!

So, I understand why you guys use christians to catch cruise!

gypsey:
Corrrect, it is also safer to say God doesn't exist, what you percieve as safer may not be for me.. remember it is believes, you could say you don't know, i could also disagree.

I am not an Atheist, i have no idea what it means.

Logically, and perharps only perhaps. Some christians are just ignorant.

Believing that God doesn't exist makes you an atheist.

If you say He doesn't exist, you have to prove that! But you have already agreed that you can't prove it. So, why make an assertion you can't prove?

Thumbs up 2Face. Hope the gullible followers will understand.

These fellows have created a thriving business selling hope and assuming the position of clinical psychologists and therapists! It shows that there's a serious gap there!

gypsey:
NO! I cannot neither can you.

Good! So, it's safer to say we don't know.

Atheism is pure arrogance!


Logically, His existence is plausible — though not the way these funny Christians think of it!

gypsey:
okay. If you say so.

More sentiments, so i am not going to bother, if you have never smoked weed, i wonder how you knew it makes me unintelligent. go and research weed or smoke it then confirm. It's not that difficult.

What you do doesn't affect others i guess, you must be the most righteous person on this planet, everyone likes what you do . Ignorance or what?


God doesn't exist, there are no proof God exists, it is just a believe, an imagination.

That's a wrong assertion. You can't prove that He doesn't exist.

Gordieshegz:
I doubt if he was held hostage bro.
No one could have typed that perfectly well under duress.
The punctuations, the structures, the spellings and all. Very doubtful.

Also, I suspect something happened to them that was caused by the wife.
Perhaps an infection or HIV or anything which had been causing him pain or sadness.

And that warranted him to murder her and commit suicide afterwards.

I may be wrong

In this day and age, HIV is just like any chronic disease out there. Diabetes is even worse than HIV.

RIP to them.

It's easy to condemn the fellow until you walk in their shoes.

To have an idea what they feel like, don't sleep at all for 2weeks — you will literally be a walking dead.

Offer them all the help you can.

We need a lot of clinical psychologists in this part of the world!

Too busy to actively search
My spec is too rare to find: intelligent, dark, slim, and tall. The most annoying thing is that most ebony beauties try to tone their skin, and in the process, losing that unique beauty.

Keep it natural ladies. We like it natural — that face we see when we wake up in the morning. Not multicolored masquerades!

Offpoint1:
10m you couldn't buy no property, non invest?
How can someone on earth blow 10m away? Imagine what I can do with 500k if given and a lady for that matter wasted 10m.

Sorry Emma, Mary betrayed your trust and love.
Emma your family will forever mock you, you bleeped up a big time.

Tell us what you can do with 500k. You might be lucky.

pocohantas:
Congrats to them...

This is not to say womb-watchers and monitoring spirits will rest now.

- You are single? They ask when you will get married.

- You marry? They ask when you will born.

- You born one? They start telling you “give your pikin a younger one na”

- You born two girls? “Try born boy make your leg strong for your husband house”

- You born two boys? “Try born girl wey go take care of you in old age”

They are the problem, not you. They don’t rest!! Like demons, they are always in your business, steady looking for what to say. Just protect your mental health and do what gives you peace.

I wish I can like this post a thousand times. Some people are really jobless.

Congratulations to the couple. God bless the new baby!

gideonvalor98:
I didn't say you should quote all the verses. What I mean is that, you should interprete what that verse is saying

The message is as clear as water.