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nextstep:
I swear, this has got to be the sanest post on this topic. At the very least, OP, pay for the services you enjoyed. It's not free

This is understandable. But don't claim it's a gift for Jesus.

As regards the amount, a modification of the economy of scale may make it possible for #10 to take care of those services.

gideonvalor98:
Explain what this verse you quoted saying

Matthew 25:31-46

English Standard Version

The Final Judgment

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

femi4:
What happened to Act 2:44-46

You removed it from your Bible

It's a contribution as a member of a community.

The command is in Mtt 25:34-45

In Mtt 25:40, Jesus literally declares the proxy for gifts meant for Himself!

The mistake you must not make is to deceive people that willful contributions you make as a responsible member of the community is your gift to Jesus!

femi4:
consoles himself that he is giving in the church!

The bold isn't part of the parable. Giving in church is scriptural according to Act 2:44-46

Let's be a balance christian

Give in church as much as you give to the poor

It's a contribution as a member of the community.

The command is in Mtt 25:34-45

In Mtt 25:40, Jesus literally declares the proxy for gifts meant for Himself!

professore:
You need to avail yourself to true teachings on tithes and offering. Truth is, you have to honour God with your money. Stop giving ridiculous and beggarly amounts if you truly believe you are giving the money to God. Do this without letting nairalanders who are unbelievers influence you negatively. Also, as you help the poor and needy, you are doing it for God. God will protect you and not allow you regret being helpful in Jesus name.

Jesus Himself gave us a proxy for the gifts meant for Him: Mtt 25:40

Slyzen:
If he is sick and hungry, he won't be able to give his best to his flocks. Just like if your president is sick, the country would be in disarray.

That is why in every circle, the leadership must be very well taken care of at all cost. Presidents, CEOs, Pastors, King's, etc. Receive the utmost care and financial benefits because of the value they bring.

If their physical or financial well-being is threatened, they cannot perform optimally or be able to lead or motivate their followers.

Most people who have not taken leadership roles, or those from poor backgrounds don't understand this dynamics.

He that waters must be watered and made to flourish first. That is the simple truth.

Thank you once again for being sincere. But, Apostle Paul should be the example, and not CEOs or presidents, unless you want to tell us that churches are just one more secular organization!

femi4:
Wrong interpretation

Jesus Himself gave us a proxy for the gifts we have for Him: Mtt 25:40

gideonvalor98:
The fact is though we're in the end time and many unheard things in the past about church are rampant now, despite that it shouldn't trouble our mind if truely we're saved. The bible said "you shall know the Truth and it will set you free."

Know God genuinely and acknowledge him in what you do which includes giving to him cos he has done great things for you. And this giving should come from a sincere heart...from heart of gratitude. Don't let what happens around you determine how you give to God. I pray for God's blessings the more upon you.

I must also encourage you to continue doing good for others too because it is also another way of giving to God.

What you failed to realize is that Jesus Himself gave us a proxy for giving to Him: Please, go and read Matthew 25:34-45

Slyzen:
@sermwell

It is good to give to people in need, but it is better to give to people who takes their time to impact you. To impact your spirit.

The way I see it, pastors too have needs. And even though we might want to believe that their reward is in heaven, I strongly believe that giving to your spiritual leaders should be a priority just like you give to your country leaders via taxes.

Even on that note, our spiritual leaders utilize our "taxes" more judiciously than our present day government.

When you go to church, there is light, fan or AC, cleaned auditorium, cleaned compound, electronics that needs servicing, generator, for instrumentalists that are paid weekly, etc. Who do you think pay for all these that ensure the smooth running of the church?

Let's assume that you a pastor leading a church and all the members pay only 20 Naira as offering every Sunday, how do you maintain the church? If you go hungry and sick without funds, how do you find the motivation or strength to lead and motivate others?

Also, most of the free seminars and events hosted in churches today, are mostly paid for elsewhere. People pay thousands and sometimes millions to attend high-impact meeting and seminars hosted by business people. If you value the church services enough to attend them, why then is giving a reasonable token so difficult for you?

It's all about perspective.

It's good that you have finally come clear that money is the motivation for pastoring the people! I like you saying the truth for what it is — if there's no money, the pastor won't get motivated!

Blackdeewhy:
I was given this narration OP, let me share it with you probably you might learn one or two things there.
Assuming you are on your way to NEPA office to settle tour electricity bill and on your way you noticed that the next street does not have light because their poll fell.
Will you use you NEPA bill money to repair their poll or you will pay your bill?
Even if you use that money to fix the pol which is DOING THE RIGHT THING, FACT STILL REMAIN THAT YOU ARE OWING NEPA and fixing the poll does not guarantee or automatically means you will have FREE BILL.
CHEERS!

Considering Jesus' clear commands in Matthew 25:34-45, what you explained is the case of someone who neglects giving to the poor and consoles himself that he is giving in the church!

[quote author=Aparche post=99291061][/quote]Jesus Himself told us what to do in Matthew 25:34-45

ogascomax:
The truth is that it is poor and broke people that fight this giving to church of a thing. You can't give what you don't have. Rich people give to God and to men.

Rich people have charity foundations!

Onelove508:
Which video?

Buying 3 private jets while the congregation is suffering Covid-19 lockdown and recession!

[quote author=ogascomax post=99289998][/quote]Jesus didn't say that. What Jesus said is in Mtt 25:34-45.

naijadrivablog:
If Solomon gave to people more than he gave God, he won't be the wisest man that ever liveth.

Giving to the needy/poor is also GIVING but can not take the place of Giving to God.

Don't judge what the church leaders do with your offering, which is not commensurate with the way you have been blessed.

There are different types of offerings, give to God what is His and to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Tell God to come in person so that we give it to Him directly!

Else, we will keep using the proxy Jesus Himself asked us to use — Mtt 25:35-45. Read this verse from the Judge Himself!

Sermwell:
I have over time realised that I find it difficult to give larger amount of money in church. Most times I struggle to give #50 or even #20 as offerings in church. But I have always find it easy to give large sums to persons in need in and outside the church.

Quite recently, a brother accosted me in church with some challenges about his wife's childbirth in the hospital, I went with him and paid off 45k to discharge them. Aside him, I have given up to 100k (if not more) to persons in need this month alone.

But I struggle so hard to give larger sums in church. Even today, I gave #40 as offering in church when I actually have larger denominations in my wallet.

Funny enough, on my way out of the church today, I met my school mate and we went to my house together, although he didn't state categorically that he's in need, but he told me how he has been out of job for 3 months now. After the visit, I gave him 10k from the same wallet I gave #40 as offering in church today.

My question is, what could possibly be wrong with my giving in church? Is it trust issues or I consider it better to give to persons instead of the church?? Is anything wrong with my style of giving??

I need answers please!!

Bro, don't ever change that habit; keep it that way for you shall inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world (Ref Mtt: 25: 34-45).

Giving to those who already have more than enough is meaningless!

Liverpool's problems:

Getting a world-class central midfielder that is not suited for their style — Thiago.

Injury to Central defenders (Gomes & Van Dijk)

Pushing DMs (Henderson and Fabinho) to CD role to replace the injured CD.

Most often using Thiago as the deepest midfielder (more like a DM). Of course, he pays back with stupid fouls


Solution:

The most important part of a team is the DM role, and it's very difficult to find a good one. When you have it in Fabinho, don't waste him in CD role.
#Bring back Henderson and Fabinho to the midfield. Use Kabak and co in CD. When this is done, The front 3 of Mane, Salah, and Firmino will come back to life.

Good, this is how it should be. You tell us what the person has done: BEC, romance scam, or whatever. There must be an evidence of crime committed before you put someone's face on media, and not just raid a neighborhood and pack people for alleged internet fraud, without even stating what the crime is and your evidence.

All those "EFCC arrests 20 suspected internet fraudsters in Osun" — with their names and pictures plastered all over the internet without declaring the crime committed and the evidence of it — is a criminal act that has been thriving here because our lawyers are toothless. The Southern elite who should question the criminality are not talking.

The right way to make a media report of crime should be something like this: "20 arrested for suspected internet fraud:
ugaM miharbl: Money laundering, $...
Irahu Dome: Romance scam, $...
Zax Kyc: Business email compromise, $...
....
....
and the list continues".

It shows that a crime was committed, you know the nature of the crime, you have the monetary value, and you have done your due diligence and it leads to the person arrested!

Just entering a neighborhood and arresting people and parading them without investigation is a crime that every well-meaning Nigerian must ensure it stops. Criminality must not be condoned in a government agency, else it loses the trust of the citizens.

Our lawyers need to wake up! To have a sane society, there must be responsible Judiciary and fearless media!

I rest my case!

If you are knowledgeable about the financial markets —;Forex, stocks, bonds, ETFs, etc. — and can write very well, please DM. You can make some side income researching and writing about these assets.

Thank you.

That's too bad of her. Even if she doesn't have, she could have asked you for money to buy it herself.

It's a subtle sign of lack of love — she doesn't have your back. She's just there for what she's benefitting.

I repeat, she doesn't have your back (can't notice where you are lacking), let alone your flanks (doesn't contribute to your strength). You're all alone. Just know that.

For me, it's a simple rule: If she doesn't complement me, she's not for me! She must at least have my back, otherwise, she doesn't love me.

But wait first, who keeps a toothpaste in her bag when visiting her boyfriend?

I hate politics, but I can gladly give my time and resources for Umahi. During my tour of Southern and North Central state capitals, Abakaliki was a pleasant surprise. Kudos to him!

IamHeWrites:
Veteran Nollywood actress Patience Ozokwo has said that actors Chika Okpala and Pete Eneh dragged her into the industry, Igbere TV reports.

The 62-year-old said this in an Instagram post on Thursday.

Sharing a throwback picture, Patience said she was into radio drama and stage play before Nollywood.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CLbI0pRMRTe/?igshid=sc3k52y1qwd9

Also known as Mama Gee, Patience joined the #belikengozichallenge with her dressing in the picture she shared.

Patience is not only an actress, she is also a musician and fashion designer.

She won the Best Supporting Actress award at the 10th Africa Movie Academy Award.

See natural ebony beauty! This is how I will like her to look as she ages. Unfortunately, I'm yet to find her!

Good news

My disgust for bleached skins makes me avoid fair ladies.

An African gentleman loves the African color. Anything beyond chocolate is not for me.

I still don't understand why a beautiful ebony lady will want to tone that skin.

ChilledPill:
Please I just want to know if what I am passing has any spiritual undertone or if it is a medical problem, and is there anybody that you know who has or had a problem like mine?

I always snore every night in my sleep I mean a heavy snore that someone outside the building can clearly hear me snoring and this always lasted to 30mins anytime I retire to sleep.

The second is that I always have a terrible night filled with horror and scaring nightmares in my dream from Sunday night to Monday morning every week, horror scenes and scary, walking in a lonely and dark places in my sleep, running with someone chasing me and sometimes I will fall and then I will wake up, feeling of fatigue when I wake.

PS: I don't watch horror movies.

I have never believed in spiritual life but now I am having doubts that someone may be after my life and attacking me spiriually.

I have prayed to the extent I am having doubts in mind that there is no God that answers prayer

Obstructive Sleep Apnea
See an ENT surgeon immediately.

The horror dreams is your brain responding to hypoxia.

Obstructive Sleep Apnea

See an ENT surgeon immediately.

Luke 17:21
Know this and be free from mental slavery!

doxijaw:
This fight is actually meant to protect you.

The online worker whose opportunities have been limited due to fraudsters.

Imagine a world where you can use those services that are blocked in Nigeria.


It's for you bro, you have nothing to gain from being defensive.

Nigerian Yahoos are dumb and loud, easy to catch.

If I worked with law enforcement, I don't need to step outside to spot them, that's how stupid they are.

My point is simple: they should learn how to separate the seeds from the chaff. They can't use a blanket approach to tag anyone working with a laptop a fraudster!

Admittedly, many Nigerian youths are into cybercrime. However, there are intelligent ways to fight cybercrime. They can liaise with Google, Facebook, Twitter, WeChat, and even this Nairaland to monitor our online space. FBI used Instagram and Nairaland to nail Invictus and used Instagram and Snapchat to nail Huspi. Even DSS use Twitter and Nairaland to track PMB's enemies. But our so-called agency for financial crimes is doing blanket arrest in 21st century.

From what I have seen online so far, in my honest opinion, EFCC is NOT fighting cybercrime. Instead, they created a business for themselves and use the media sentiments the topic generates to mask the decay in the agency!

Unfortunately, the media frenzy is causing more damage to the psych of an average Nigerian youth, instead of deterring them from the crime. The average Nigerian youths now thinks that fraud is the only way to make it really big in this country. Just this evening, I argued for a long time with a graduate of computer science to get him to change that mindset.

My point is this: EFCC should do things the right way. Take time and build a case before making any arrest and put the fellow away for a very long time — not this their 6-18months slap on the wrist!

doxijaw:
The people doing legit work have nothing to worry about.

Scamming is the culture and you know it.

If you are legit, u should hate them to, because they limit your opportunities and paint the entire country bad

As if you haven't heard how they (EFCC) operate: wrongly profile anyone working with a laptop, arrest and parade the person on the media, and only then begin their investigation.

There are many public examples of that. If you want, I will list them.

My own is that if they try that nonsense on me, they'll pay heavily for it! Sorry, it's a mistake is not for me.

On the aspect of cybercrime, can you beat your chest and say that these guys are seriously fighting cybercrime or doing media jamboree? If they want to fight cybercrime, they build a case against the criminals and put them out for a long time — not this nonsense they're doing!

doxijaw:
This will be your misfortune, yahoo dogshits and apologists.

100 percent sure they're guilty, just look around, this is the culture.

100% sure? Where's your evidence? In a digital age where a lot of work can be done from home, you think working from home is a crime? I dare you people to try me!

Cutiekatty:
Serious competition within the EFCC. if u be clean guy with car dey careful oh, these people arrest, publicly disgrace u before investigation oh.

Before u are found innocent your face don dey nairaland oh. Be warned

And they'll pay heavily for that. It will be my life mission. I can't work my ass off to gain reputation on an international platform for some useless idiots in uniform to tarnish my image!

drmikeadams:
Thank u for this..people don't really understand d scam going on.

Exactly, it's evident in their comments.

Lagos is a free field for touts. This is one of main reasons for chasing out Ambode, a refined gentlemen with human mind. He doesn't buy the idea of government blatantly robbing the citizens, so he cut the excesses of those touts.

Now, the touts have taken their business to another level, deceiving and robbing the citizens with government backing!

People who don't live in Lagos won't understand this one way thing. It's not about following the other lane. Most of the one-way issue happen on street roads that are designated one way without appropriately labelling them as such. There's no way new visitors will know those roads are one-way. Even when you inquire, the traffic enforcers will direct you to take the road, only for their colleagues to impound your car — there's a thread about one the other day. Driving in Lagos State is very risky, especially if it's an area you don't know very well.

Don't ever go to an area you don't know very well with your car. The chances of getting into a traffic issue is 90%. Google map will never help you with this street one-way road issue! Asking the officials is a sure way of getting into the trouble!

Apart from commercial drivers and a few crazy private owners, nobody knowingly enters one-way!