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maternal:
Well said. A parent shouldn't need society to help shape/raise their kids. That should be on the parent. Besides, what will ones child learn in a country filled with criminals and con-artists ? Most of these parents just want their kids to say they had a "hard life" at one point in their lives. So when they're older and gisting with their friends, they can say "I remember when I had no light or running water. Bros I dey suffa" Meanwhile they'll look down on their Canadian born naija mates and say "You neva grow for naija. You wouldn't understand" Literally that's all these parents want. Of course how can one suffer while holding a Canadian passport ? I'm not even trying to be funny. These young naija kids brag over who suffered more than the other growing up. The ones who "suffered more" get the stripes. And like you said. I've seen young kids come over here and struggle to adapt for years. I've seen many parents try this. Their children comeback even more messed up. Except they've mastered how to be a criminal very well while living in naija for those few years.

Lol i didn't even read this comment before referring to exactly what you talking about here in an even more recent comment. Thanks for your 2 cents.

einsteino:
To start with, one trailer of whatever you drink or eat ... I like this discussion because I always see something I agree with in every comment, both opposing and supporting ones. First, I call it a discussion and not a debate because the onus lies on us to decide for ourselves. No one here can dictate or trash another for where they choose to raise their own kids, especially when that place is their own country as well. If we were talking about sending them to the U.S or europe for the same purpose, no one would view it as a "mentality". I believe we have to understand that these things are a matter of preference and not a matter of intellectual superiority or civility.

Now, where do I agree with you? The being able to see a part of you in your kids is a very valid reason. If one wants kids that are completely ailien to them, we would have just been sperm and egg donors. In short Quebecois went separatist nuts simply because parents found their kids and grandkids becoming anglicized. Till this day, there are offsprings of immigrants who refer to themselves as irish-canadian, scandinavian-canadian and some do return home. So, it isn't wrong to want a part of your identity to reflect in your kid, even if you are from shithole Nigeria. Besides, shouldn't it be great if they can get the best of both worlds? or there is absolutely nothing good about Nigeria?

Of course even if you raise them in naija, they would be still a bit different from you but to what extent and what areas is the deciding factor. Some people saying this is a non-issue would be the same ones in years to come, finding out they are only accepting it and not necessarily what they wish.
Sure it is left for parents to raise their kids but we seem to forget that society to a large extent dictates if that way is a norm or not and it would ultimately influence the kid. Immigrants wake up everyday realising this at the last hour. To my knowledge this is most common with nigerian parents in the U.S, the same ones who were once excited about raising american kids. it happens so fast that all they can do is make peace with their new found reality.

Also, I am not so big about morals. To me, nigeria has no morals, not even respect. Afterall the same ones who champion respect, would deride an old man who has no money and worship a wealthy young boy. However, if you lived in Nigeria, you should know when Nigerians speak of morals, it connotes religion and family. Like kids being submissive to their parent's will, without negotiations, even if it means pretending. And the state not handicapping you on how to raise your kids. Generally, nigerian morals is on not being sexually pervasive or lewd in public(whatever you do in secret is fine by Nigerian rules lol) and family culture.

Very insightful comment. I especially enjoyed the last paragraph.

I tried to refrain from calling it a mentality (because i didn't want to seem accusatory or derogatory). At the end of the day, it is still a bit of preference as you pointed out.

You are also right about the québécois and even Italian Americans whom till this day boast about their Frenchness and Italianess. Maybe I'm just a bit biased about Nigeria because it is not a Country i can boast about. Italy, Scandinavia, Ireland, all first world nations so it's easy to feel proud of that heritage. You find Nigerians reminiscing about "Up Nepa" and their suffer suffer boarding housing days lol.

Anyway, happiness and contentment is subjective to an extent. We can all make our decisions as best we see fit for ourselves and our loved ones.

iPopAlomo:
To be honest, it's not wanting my kids to be like me...

The Canadian culture is very very ALOOF... Younger me wanted to be British... Damn the rest of world... Older me, I now understand culture better...

Everyone is saying they want Canadian kids... Yet... Get invited to a prayer meeting in this same Canada and see parents praying the Nigerian way and the children are looking completely lost...

This are things the environment teaches... It takes more than parents to raise a child... The environment also contributes...

My reason for leaving Nigeria is very different from every other person...

The same people saying let's leave our children here at some point will go back home... And now whether I like it or not... For better or worse... Nigeria is home

I also belonged in the school of thought... If I die here (Canada)... I'll just get buried here... It took me a long while... But Nigeria is home...

And the way I'll raise my kids is to be able to switch being Nigerian and International seamlessly without the culture shock...

It's all good. Wish you and yours the very best.

To be honest, about this whole where to school your kids thing...

I believe what it really boils down to, and i'm not aiming this just at ipopalomo but people with his philosophy, is that it is not a case of giving your kids superior morals or character. Canada has superior morals and builds greater Characters too. You do not have a Nation like Nigeria if it was the bedrock of Great Morals and Character.

Anyway, the real issue i see with people with this mentality is that they go to Canada and they see how black Canadians and second Generation act, behave, think and talk and they can not relate with it at all. It is Alien to who they are and what they grew up to be. This realization then strikes a fear in them that their kids too would grow up to be this way, their beliefs, accent, behavior, exposure etc would be totally different from what they had to experience.

It is this fear of not being able to see a lot of yourself in your own kids, basically your kids being full Canadian while you still consider yourself very much Nigerian with a Canadian passport, it is this fear that drives them to get their kids as much exposure as possible to the Nigerian reality so they can relate better with their Half Nigerian/Half Canadian kids and still see a bit of themselves in the kids. This is what i believe drives this mentality.

Nothing to do with Morals, or Character building, those are just rationalizations. You want your kids to be more like you so you can see some of yourself in them and be able to relate with them better. End.

iPopAlomo:
Let's all of us stop tricking ourselves...

One... Nobody is suffering... If you've read my story... I don't blame my parents at all for anything...

But raising a child in Canada is very difficult...

1. This is a country where you don't stop working at least Mon - Fri... And in the early years... Children are sent off to daycare... So being in ones children's life is a complete fallacy... Except one of the parent don't work... And if you import your parent to come and babysit... It is completely not the same...

2. Everyone left Nigeria because of a reason, doesn't mean they hate Nigeria... And I said, moral values is what I want to instill... My children can't be completely Canadian and definitely cannot be completely Nigerian... I don't want my children to refer to Nigeria as Africa...

3. Trust me when I said Canadian teens don't have a clue what is going on out there... I had the best of both worlds at home... And I went to one of the best schools... But if you ask me how I'm able to get on here... All the tools I'll ever need... I learnt it back home...

4. Let's not pretend like there are no bad children in Canada... And let's not pretend there are no bad schools as well... I'm come from a close knit family... And to the best of my knowledge... My sisters kids are doing well... None of them will be suffering... This time, I'll be taking it up a notch, they're going to the best schools back in Nigeria... Under the Eagle eyes of my whole family and adugbo (trust me when I say adugbo is family sef)

5. I know the dagborus in Surulere and as much as I relate with them... They never let me stray... As my mom is considered mother... So which of them wants to initiate my children in cult... They didn't initiate the father, it's the son they want to initiate...?

6. It's coming here I understand Black Americans don't consider themselves Africans... Story for another day...

7. Best schools in Nigeria... Under the watchful eyes of everyone... Basically... Raising them the same way I was raised in a better condition...

My children will do alright...

They can always visit Canada during their summer.. But those formative years where they're easily impressionable... Na naija...

This is my take...

Never said you blamed your parents for anything. They are Nigerians born in Nigeria and they didn't move anywhere so their case is different.

1.) Granted there is less leeway to lean on family members for Baby sitting duties. But i don't undertsand how only seeing your kids in the Mornings and Evenings is worse than not seeing them at all and shipping them to Naija.

2.) Like i mentioned in my original comment. If Nigeria's moral values were so much more Superior to Canada's why is our Nation rife with corruption. Why have we been led by morally bankrupt ruling class since the inception of our independence. It's just funny that you equate Canada with Inferior Morals.

3.) Why would Canadian teens need to know what's going on in Nigeria? Of what benefit is it for them to be so well informed of the degeneracy going on in 3rd world nations all over the world? You are getting on well (like most immigrants from all over the world do, so it's not special) but does that mean there aren't loads of Canadian (and other nationality) raised adults who aren't getting on just as well or even better than you? The tools are not in Naija, they are in the person and the people who raise them.

4.) Yes of course Canada is not a perfect Utopia. There are bad kids, bad elements, poor schools relative to others here. So, all that goes without saying. My comment about their schooling was not about Nigeria having bad schools, it was about the superior experience they can get in a good Canadian school compared to the ones in Nigeria. Unless you want to tell me that the good Nigerian schools are better equipped than the good Canadian schools.

5.) I'm not bothered about cultism (gangs) so i didn't bring it up in my original comment. It's lower social class that often fall victim to that. If kids are well provided for by their family they would not be tempted by any of the nonsense related to gang memberships.

6.) That's because Black Americans/Canadians, although being black like you and i, are not Africans, they are Americans and Canadians. They can not relate with the reality in Africa. and i have no idea why they would want to relate with Poverty, Corruption and degeneracy.

7.) Yes no doubt your kids won't be scarred for life. They won't be adversely affected but it isn't similar to your experience because your parents did not zoom off to another Country and then leave you behind in Nigeria for other family members to look after. Really, it's a different context.

All in all i didn't really write this response to fight you about how you choose to raise your kids. I just had to give counter points to your points. That's about it. Nigeria is getting worse as the months and years pass by anyway which is why lots are rushing to leave. Good luck.

I realised what utter nonsense and bullshit religion was/is when i took a Religion class as an elective in University.
Learning about the history of the 3 Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity & Islam) and how they evolved through the years showed to me that there was no God giving directives to anyone, just a bunch of human beings subjectively deciding what goes and what doesn't.

As time moved forward, Religion kept adapting to the times (Just as it still does till this very day). In fact a lot of Biblical stories were adapted from other more ancient religions of the time. Everything going on in the world then made perfect sense to me. The senselessness made sense. Because God plus the madness of this world makes no sense at all.

Infantile people who are afraid of this cold world and the eternity of death are those that continue to cling to religion because it has 1.) promised to deliver them from "evil" 2.) Ensure they live forever and never truly die and cease to exist forever.

It is fear that keeps people religious. Fear of the world around them and fear of permanence of death. Which is why impoverished nations like Nigeria have the most religious people, Life is so hard and torturous that they need religion to turn to to tell them every thing will be okay in the end. Imagine if they realized all they came to do in this world is suffer all through out and then die. Could most handle the truth?

Western developed nations that enjoy riches, are well educated and have access to the best things modern civilization has to offer realize there is no need to enslave your self to some mythical creation in order to live an enjoyable and fruitful life. They are not desperate and in need of an irrational set of beliefs in order to endure their life because their society is in good order and affords them great opportunities to lead fulfilling lives devoid of extreme and inhumane suffering.

iPopAlomo:
Primary school here in Canada...

Secondary school back in Nigeria...

University back in Canada...

And they'll be staying with my mom... Lol... Not traveling back with anybody...



I want them to understand that there's lights out and data cap and nights where you drink garri to bed.

The few Africans I've met born here in Canada don't really have a clue... I turned out okay and I really pray my kids turn out okay as well... That is what I can't teach but I can influence...

It's not compulsory to suffer in order to become a good person. If that were the case, Nigeria would be full of good people but look at the state of the Country and you know that is not the case.

I don't know how you'll convince them that their Mom and Dad are over in Canada enjoying life in a developed country but want them to go through the trials and tribulations of living in a failed State just because that's what their parents went through. I hope your thinking evolves as time goes on.

I wouldn't want this for my offspring sending them back to were i escaped from. There are so many things and opportunities that happen in those formative years of teenage-hood that you would miss out on and that Nigeria would not help your kids develop. Could be sports or musical talents or IT programming. Even memories they'll create about High school. They would not be able to relate to other Canadian adults they would inevitably mingle with when they graduate and come back. It's just not right in my view.

Take them back on summer vacations for 3 months at a time, that's enough to appreciate the reality in Nigeria. But not sentencing them to 6 straight years. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

This useless Country doesn't deserve it's hardworking and well educated professionals. Life is hell in this shit hole. Any one who wants to and can immigrate should do so. The developed nations will gain and it'll create opportunities left behind for those in this overpopulated country. The less the population, the easier it is to manage and distribute resources.

Larryomooba:
I reason that to but on a lighter note
Nigerians r not ready for close drainage
Imagine if it was closed water would av
Been blocked and that cause floods.
Berger for example when rain falls

Closed drainage doesn't mean the water can't pass through. It is still called a drainage for a reason. It just means that there'll be little openings for the water to sip through while majority of the drainage is still covered in order to prevent the temptation to dump refuse in it by the populace.

Ozzz:
I second this..
But the issue is Exploratory visa , including the Nigerian factor seems generic, it all balls down to how well we can prove and convince the VO that we are indeed for this purpose.
Currently, Indians topping the immigration list by far in canada, because they are their brothers keeper, they help each other.
Imagine if ibos dominate Canada with their businesses legally, it will be easy for them to send job offers to family and friends for immigration purposes.

No such thing as exploratory visa. And if you read the official link i posted you'll see that a business travel visa doesn't permit you to actually legally start any businesses in Canada.

Looks like a well taken care of Car. I'm sure you won't have a problem moving it on.

Unfortunately (and fortunately) i dey follow you go Obodo Canada too so i'm not a taker

majamajic:
from a small city that her country begged Nigeria for loan some 40 yrs ago

Nigeria told them , nothing good will come out from these deserts, how do u wan pay back ?

in 2018 alone 15 million Nigerians went to Dubai for sight seeing, to do business , seek for jobs and to give births

last week about 1500 Nigerian celebrities and about 500 up coming celebrities spent their weekend in Dubai

learn how to help , we don't know tomorrow !!

Lol your numbers are such bullshyt, i have no idea where you are pulling them from(actually i think i do ). 15 million Nigerians can afford to go to Dubai? You didn't even say 15 million trips (which in itself is unbelievable). If you check how many total passengers went through MMA you'd find they aren't up to 15 million, talkless of 15 millions Nigerians going to one destination alone.

Adunnee:
Thank you. Wait for the flood that will happen next week. I can't wait

It has already started oh. FIVE Nigerians in May AOR group got PPR last night.

Basalt:
SOME MISTAKE NIGERIANS MAKE IN GERMANY

1. Not learning the language. Most of my coursemates didn't register for a German language course here or even learned it from Nigeria before coming to Germany. Unless you plan to base in an English speaking country after graduating, it's unwise not to learn Deutsch before graduating.
2. Not possessing any relevant skill. Most Nigerians here don't bother doing an internship in firms related to their field because most firms will prefer those that can speak German (which they can't) and as a result, end up graduating without any industrial experience or even language skills.
3. Chasing rats and leaving the Elephant Most Nigerians here chase rats leaving out the Elephant. They have that Essau mentality of immediate satisfaction. Always trying to make money by all means while forgetting that part-time jobs are not professional jobs. I understand that many people came here with loan and there is need to pay it back but immediately you start putting all your energy on part time works forgetting the three most important things which are your studies, Gernman language, Industrial experience/Skills. This attitude will make your education suffer, you will learn no Deutsch and have no skills to fetch you the professional job you need. And most of them end up starting over again and funny enough making the same mistake. Thats why you see some people that have been here for 8yrs achieving nothing because though they make money, some waste it on vacations and other irrelevancies. You have to study the system, know what they need and go for that.
Is parttime job what you intend to do forever? If the answer is NO, then think twice.
4. Relating only with fellow blacks. Inasmuch as its good to relate with your brothers but the fact is that you need Germans to remain in Germany. You need to act like them, speak like them, think like them, behave like them in other to be like them.

You are a very clever and determined Man. Please keep it up and continue to be a shining example to those that'll come after you.

Adunnee:
Yes. The transmission fee has reduced and I got an email saying our passports have been transferred to Lagos for stamping. Timeline is 3 - 4 weeks. I know someone whose CoPR was issued within 2 weeks but she didn't receive it until after another two weeks. So, fingers crossed.

Already transferred to Lagos for stamping on the same Friday you submitted it. That's good news. I'm sure it'll be processed and returned to you within 2 weeks. i think the person you referred to probably had their's sent to Accra because I believe Lagos processing only started like 2 weeks ago.

Adunnee:
Thank you so much sis. Amen, you will surely testify.

Congrats once again. Please were you able to clarify upon submitting your passport at vfs that copr is now processed in Lagos and no longer at accra?
If so, did they give you any new timeline for receiving it? Thanks.

igbesachick:
sounds like china is a stepboard, or something you have tamed and thus have the right to trifle with. why dont you say, you can not survive in china, because you are not accepted ,and you have to get out and chance your luck elsewhere ? that is not a shame, even tons of whites fail to survive in china .

Another puzzling response to my comment.
Where in my comment did i imply that OP could or should "trifle" with China?? Please point me to it because your comprehension seems to be way off.

And i am not gonna say what you're asking me to say because clearly OP has survived China and is surviving very well. But who wants to merely survive in this life? (Like Nigerians in Nigeria). Better to actually live and thrive than to merely survive which is why he has his eyes on a better environment for himself.

White people don't go to China to "survive". They go there to do business and make money. Nigerians mostly go there as an avenue to get out of Nigeria.

budaatum:
First, you telling me where I live instead of asking where I live shows you are telling me what you can not possibly know. Second, I'm not the one who born op or told op to go to China in the first place so why would I pressume to be in the position to tell op where to go? And third, if you go through some of my recent posts, you'd see a "lazy fuq", so why would I tell already ambitious op who has been to a place I've only dreamed of visiting and read about so much, to rest on his laurels? Must I be a lazy fuq?

Please let us not fight over this, I beg you. I'm speaking much here because I love this thread, and want it on frontpage, and know people might benefit from going to China. And I want to learn about China from op myself so that maybe one day I too can be like op. My only error is that I speak, and from personal experience. They are faults of mine. And I'm respected for it wherever I go, except amongst weird people and lazy fuqs. We can very easily check though, if you wish. I, will love you. You will experience loving me back because I always reap what I sow.

Just one more thing. Nigeria is not a "shit hole", in my opinion, there's just too many lazy fuqs shi‡ing on Nigeria. If there were fewer lazy fuqs Nigeria will be heaven. But we work at it. Reducing the lazy fuqs, I mean.

This is a very weird response. I'll just leave it at that.

truthsayer009:
Study, then work part-time.

Oh, congrats. Onwards to greater things from here on out. No looking back again o. Make Naija dey your rear view jejely. Eyes on the prize.

Congrats on your transfer and new life in Germany. Your write up so far as been good and interesting as well.

What you haven't told us is your purpose in Germany presently. Is it vacation? Study? Work?

budaatum:
No, I don't judge acceptance by how many local girls one is able to bleep, though I don't think people who don't accept you will bleep you. I judge the ops acceptance by the ops overall tone which does imply he is accepted. If he wasn't, I expect to hear it in his tone. And to confirm, I asked if he works there, which would only be possible if he was accepted. And to be honest with you, I think his acceptance is due to his own acceptance of others. He reaps only the acceptance that he himself sows, and if he was unacceptable he wouldn't be accepted, I think.

Just like i said before, you've never lived in a foreign land. You only imagine what it would be like. You have a theoretical idea of what its like but i can assure you it doesn't bind with the reality. No amount of loving people would necessarily 'make' them love or respect you back.

OP is making the best of China because it is still far better for him there than the shit hole that is Nigeria. What i'm telling him (and what he obviously is thinking as well) is that although things are better for him in China than Nigeria, he doesn't have to rest on his laurels and can still aim for an even better environment for himself. End.

Mikegking:
Are you seeking a bussiness visa yourself?

Good question. OP wants to immigrate, instead he's talking about business Visa. Besides the information is freely available on the Government of Canada website if one is able to use google.

In fact, here you have it: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/visit-canada/business/eligibility.html

budaatum:
Seems like they do accept him there. Or how much more accepted does he have to be when women there date him?

You judge acceptance by how many local women you are able to bleep? It seems you've never lived in a Western/Foreign Country that's why you think that way. It's more than dating local girls or having a job. It's the way the local people treat you and others like you. You will know if you are truly welcome by your everyday interactions with the people and the system.

ThePianoGuy:
Obviously we all know China is a communist country but to be honest living in China isn’t so bad as other communist countries like North Korea etc. my relationship life is not stable after dating about 3 older Chinese ladies( age 55 was the oldest and am just 23yrs old) my Chinese is fluent but my main problem is reading the Chinese character. Cat eyes girl has left me and it’s been over one year since i last saw her. She was a master student then but now she have graduated. I feel alone here in the middle of nowhere

most Chinese are atheists and they don’t believe in God i really don’t know why but it’s really helping them, my belief gradually change after one year in China. I won’t say am an atheist but i strongly question religion now. To summarize everything am thinking of relocating to Australia after my studies here.###ThePianoGuy

Dude i like your plan and your evolution as a person too. Move on to a Country whom's culture you can more easily adapt to and the language is also your native Language. You've had your time in China but they'll never truly accept you there so the time to move on will be soon. Good luck.

Omega30:
Fellow Canadian family members, let us all know that this race is not to the swift, the ITA is not to the highest CRS.....but times and chances determined by faith happened to them all.

What does this even mean? ITA is determined by faith and not how high your CRS score is?

intrinsicniyi:
For real, I've even checked my profile on cic website.

It doesn't come immediately na. The day i got mine, draw held at like 5pm and my ita arrived around 10pm

sweetrie:
How did it cost 8.8million? the maximum amount should be 2million, inclusive of IELTS, Wes, medicals, police report, application fee. The proof of funds is for them to keep and use in settling down.

Lol it's just click-bait nonsense.

Nigsrdumb:
See this idiot ,after you claimed I was an illegal immigrant.

Lol north America, you don't have much experience . I've been in the west far much longer than you have

Keep praising a country that will never be yours whilst you shit on your own .

The same Nigeria that you shit on is where oyinbos are trooping into fcking the shit out of ur olodo women and making shit loads of money.

The black man did not recognize the use of their own mineral resources until the whites showed them.

Until now you guys still don't know what you have.

Assuming the west is as good , will they take 200 million Nigerians.

You guys have low IQs and easily impressed by shiny things.

See attached .. oyinbos enjoying Nigeria

Lol i swear you are daft beyond comprehension. With the IQ of a toddler. Throw away that shiny passort you just showed me now, carry your Green passport proudly then return your dumbass back to Nigeria to enjoy. Showing me pictures of some luxury resort. As if that's suppose to be reprensentative of the Country. You really are a very stupid man and i pity anybody that takes you seriously. Money and Women that's all that's in your thick skull. People like you are the reason why Nigeria is the way it is to begin with.

And yea you have far more experience than me abroad because you are old as shit, so congrats.

I'm done with you now before i lose more IQ points.

Nigsrdumb:
You are a fool , this is why you miss opportunities in life because you assume.

Here's my passport to show you ..

I'm simply advising you to lower your expectations and prepare if you must travel.

If you are in Nigeria pay attention to the opportunities.

What I've I said wrong.

Yes I get it . You guys are extremely frustrated, instead of listening to someone who has lived the life you aspire to, you result to insults.

Lol congrats on the passport. And who told you i aspire to live your type of lifestyle? Are you dumb enough to think every immigrant or everyone living in a particular location live the same type of lifestyle? Dude i have lived in North America for almost a decade straight in the recent past and i'm going back before 2020. Your experience will not be everyone else's experience. You should be at least averagely intelligent enough to realize that.

Most of your comments boil down to bashing the West and elevating the wasteland that is Nigeria. Not everyone wants to be a Dangote. It seems you can't get your little mind around that. You won't find any peace of mind if all you do is go through social media coveting the Wealth of the ultra rich and wishing they could be yours. You simply need to stop projecting your desire (For Super Riches) on everyone else in this forum. Maybe then you can get some sense and stop inundating us with your tripe.

Nigsrdumb:
So how come Seun osewa and Linda Ikeji are billionaires from simple blogging and a forum, yeah that's the Nigerian leverage I'm talking about.


You need to see the opportunities available to you out there especially in this internet age ..

The things you call basic stuff in the west are not free at all.

Can you pay 400 pounds a month for electricity, 1500 pounds per month for a mortgage, 200 pounds for car insurance, road tax, I'm not even finished yet.

That's like 2000 pounds without food, if you have kids then more spending.


How much is it to rent a flat in lekki for a year ?

Now go and check the monthly average salaries for most people in the west.

Yes the west is better structurally but it's not as easy, and tougher especially when you are an undocumented immigrant and that's the argument .

Dude you are just so narrow minded that there's no point trying to reason with you. Wherever you are based abroad, you are there illegally. You never immigrated properly that's you why say all this nonsense. Because you know the law over there will soon catch up to you and deport your ass. So you in your mind you have to elevate Nigerian just to console yourself.

The only person you are deceiving is yourself. The only other people that will agree with you are those like yourself that have absolutely no hope of relocating Legally and enjoying the fruits of an advanced and stable society.

Guy please ignore him. His username is enough to show just how dumb and ignorant he is. Claims "ni*ggas"are dumb, yet is worshipping Nigeria as if its not the same so called "dumb n*ggas" that run the place from head to toe.

Nigsrdumb:
How many adebayo ogunlesis are there, Google dangote to see Nigerian billionaires.

We can continue dragging this argument.

I know what I'm saying because it's from experience.

Lol "google Dangote". What a shallow retort. To be expected though.
You are right about one thing though. No need arguing any further.
Neither of you will budge on your stances.
Readers have seen enough points from both sides to make a decision or inform their own opinions.

Melodyy19:
Hi, please when did you submit your passport?

I haven't submitted yet. But i'm sure i will be getting the e-mail this coming week to submit so i will confirm then.