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Ubenedictus:
hbd syncan, i thought you fell from heaven, its gud to know u were born.

Na wa, now he thinks am Lucifer(Lk 10:18, Is 14:12) ...What will I not hear from Ubenedictus. Thanks for the birthday wish anyway, God bless you.

SalC:
Today is 1st February.....

Somehow it kept ringing in my head that i have a wish to make.

And then i remembered it's the birthday of a rare gem, one whose strength in weakness has been the inspiration of many of us in and outside this thread.

You teach, you preach, you admonish, you encourage, and you live the word for us to emulate.

I can go on and on.....but phew let me restrain myself and make a wish though i still can't find a wish good enough to convey that which i desire for you.

May the Lord always find pleasure in blessing you in a very unique way.
May the Lord treat everything about you with utmost grace and concern.
No matter the level of the storm in the world, i wish you peace and calm.
You will wake up each day beholding a new blessing and a reason to be greatful to God continuously.
You shall grow from strength to strength in spirit and the knowledge and fear of God.
And yes God will continue to put his words in your mouth that you may speak to draw mankind closer to him.

I wish you the very best in life.

[size=30]HAPPY BIRTHDAY SYNCAN AND MANY HAPPY RETURNS!!![/size]

O SalC, grace upon grace shall you receive. May your lines fall for you in pleasant places, amen. I am humbled.

lacum:
thank you

You're welcome.

lacum:
Dear friends, am currently stayingbin lagos with my aunty who is a catholic with the husband but my problem is that she dont believe most of the catholic teachings. she said that we are going against the clear teachings of the bible when we pray b4 a stature(refering to the legion promise). she also saw me this morning putting on a scapular and said, oh u wear scapular so dat what will happen then. she does not kiss the cross during lent and d worst is that almost all her children hv changed church even those not upto 18 yrs. they go to diffrent churches. what will i do

Be the example by your lifestyle, read more about your faith; so you'll be able to defend your practice and educate her and anyone else politely. Pray and be firm. Her children not being Catholics anymore says it all.

A splendid day to you.

menxer:
I don't have a straight forward answer but questions:

1) Why is the HQ of Catholic church in Rome and not Israel, if it was founded by Jesus?

2) if Paul was taken to Rome a prisoner, when did Peter transit to the Papal palace at a time Christians were persecuted and martyred?

3) if Jesus founded the Catholic Church with Peter as Pope, why was the bible scriptures suppressed by the said Church?

4) if the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus, why are there no similarities with the Jewish religious worship but so much similarities with the Cult of Mithras (ancient Roman religious practices)?

1. In the early life of the church, Jerusalem was actually the Headquarters. You can see this from Paul's travel back to Jerusalem to give account of his work to Peter and co Gal.2, or as seen in the record of the first ever Church council held in Acts 15. However because the World's Headquarters at the time was Rome, and the fact that Peter lived his last days there and died there, the church in Rome gradually became the recognized administrative headquarters of the church.

2. Paul was not taken to Rome because of the persecution of the Romans, no,according to Acts.25, he was taken there as a prisoner because he appealed to Caesar, due to the persecution from his own people. If you check 1Pet.5:13, You will see thus: “The Church here in Babylon, united with you by God’s election, sends you her greeting, and so does my son, Mark”, Peter wrote from Rome, Babylon was the code-name for Rome at the time, it's common among historians to say that mark wrote his Gospel in Rome under Peter's commission.

3. The Church compiled and canonized scriptures for the use of all, however the church limited the private reading of scripture to the "learned" in theology, these where the clergies, who then read and interpret to the people, because she believes that to read and interpret scripture properly under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, there must be three things to fulfill:
a) it must be read with attention to the content and unity of the whole of Scripture;
b) it must be read within the living Tradition of the Church;
c) it must be read with attention to the analogy of faith, that is, the inner harmony which exists among the truths of the faith themselves.
It is the failure to abide by this that has led to the "tower of babel" we now have in Christendom. St. Peter warned about this in 2Pet.3:16

4. This is a false claim, it holds no weight.


I hope i have been of help sir.

Trina0936:
All these yeye non catholics that don't understand what 'lent' means talk more of acting. Wetin concern una? A man of God is doing his duty and you are all complaining as if he is doing it for you. Those who knows what he did would appreciate and emulate his honest sacrifice.
How many of your so called 'pastors' can even fast half a day? Mtchew
On judgement day,you will ask God why this priest made heaven and you did not. Be reminded of this post.

No stress yourself joor, na so dem laugh Jesus on the cross... "Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!" Matt.27:40. See all of them shouting fool fool like say na dem bring Christianity.

JMAN05:
What taught, that Timothy heard was never contrary to what is written. In fact, Paul quoted extensively from from the written word, not from oral tradition, although there were oral tradition available in his day. This is what Timothy heard.

Down to 2rim3:16-17 he was made to appreciate that to be a complete man of God, to be completely equipped for every good work, the scripture is meant for that. Not just that, Paul stated that such holy writings would make him wise for salvation.

2Tim 3:14: "and that from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."
I wonder what else the young man yearns for!

But since the coming of Christ, there were some changes that warranted penning more guidelines and directions for the faithful. Any such addition that were necessary for being equipped according to Gods will would be penned as being part of the scriptures by men whom God chose. So the writings in the scriptures were guided by God so that we would have all we need.

My brother tradition is not meant to carry the same weight as the scripture. If it were so, Christ knew all the oral instructions and actions of Moses more than the pharisees. He would have used it as an authority and even tell us most of them that the Pharisees didn't know. But rather we see him rely on the written word for authority. The same is true for the "NT".

All the oral words that were necessary, got penned down. Not that some of them might not be good, but they shouldn't have the same authority as the scriptures. You even scrutinize them with the scriptures.

The more you try to defend this opinion of yours, the more you go wrong. You are making an attempt to restrict all that Paul taught Timothy to the old testament writings, isn't that reaching too far? This is Paul that said himself that what he taught was given to him through Inspiration and not learning,“For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Gal. 1:11–12.) He cannot be talking of the old testament, for he was learned in that under Gamaliel.

You claim that Paul quoted from the written word and not from oral tradition, could you kindly tell me in which of the written traditions Paul got the names "Jannes and Jambres" he quoted in 2Tim3:8. Did you ever read in the old testament that a rock followed the Israelites in their journey as quoted by Paul in 1Cor.10:4, yet this was a common knowledge in Judaism. You try to say that Jesus didn't use the Oral traditions, yet MrMontella showed you an example in Matt.23:2 and you simply said he wasn't making any reference, who told you that? Oral and written traditions are what the scripture says we should hold on to 2Thess.2:15, they both are needed for the complete development of the Christian. If you decide that one is ok for you, you're OYO.

JMAN05:
All oral that was beneficial for true xtens were later committed to writing. When I say all scripture, this includes what Paul had earlier stated to be oral. That has been the problem of ur comment.

At 2Thes 3:1-11 we see that the issue of working and industriousness was the tradition Paul transmitted by word.

It is not a virtue to insist on making false claims against scripture such as in bold above. Scripture NEVER stated that. Rather scripture acknowledged the existence of both "oral and written" teachings as i have earlier shown you. I am glad you have given an example of what St. Paul transmitted Orally, however It's much more than just that, for paul himself had told Timothy in 2Tim2:2 "And the things that you have heard me say among many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be qualified to teach others as well." Did you read that? The things Timothy had heard Paul say! It didn't say "the things I have written", it said "the things you have heard me say". Consider that this is second Timothy, even as the letter was ending, he was still admonishing him to teach what had been transferred to him orally, so when exactly was these oral teachings now written down for Timothy and co. My comment has no problem, it is deeply rooted in scripture. It's your opinion, which you try to portray in contrast to scripture, that is the problem.

OLAADEGBU:
If she is not part of the trinity what is she doing sitting on the right hand of the Son who is sitting on the right hand of the Father?

What is happening to you Ola,You've not been reading your bible, else you would have noticed that the seat at his right hand wasn't for the Trinity. Jesus made that much known.

You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said. “But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom My Father” has prepared them. Matt.20:23

OLAADEGBU:
The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

The bible was not ashamed to say in Gal.4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman,.... God's son (who is God) was born of a woman, that woman is Mary, Mary is the mother of God's son (who is God). This son was with the father since in the beginning, this son was God Jn.1:1.

Ubenedictus:
CC. syncan
1. you belive that God the son has no begining and no end
2. you believe that the second person of trinity, became man and was concieved and born of mary.


Why then do you disagree that mary conceived and gave birth to the second person of d trinity when he became man?

why do u disagree that mary is the mother of d second person of d trinity since 2000yrs ago when she gave birth to him?

The Olaadegbu guy is just confused. He makes up a conclusion and start running around to find a premise.

OLAADEGBU:
"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man" (Luke 2:52).

Your opinion means nothing when compared with the inspired Word of God.

In Philippians 2:7 we are told that Christ "emptied Himself" which implies that He voluntarily set aside His "omni" attributes in order to take "the form of a servant." The fact that He "increased in wisdom" as the verse I quoted above states as well as His growing in stature proves His true humanity.

He was fully God and fully human but He emptied Himself and made Himself of no reputation when He took up the form of a servant. He came as a servant not as God when He was born.

God's words are not contradictory as you have been made to believe. It is not God that really repents as those verses say but man. When men changes their mind then God revises His attitude and behaviour towards them because God is not changeable. God remains unchangeable in His own righteous character and standards. God appears to "repent" outwardly in order not to repent inwardly.

I am tired of going round and round with you. You claim that Jesus "set aside" his Divine nature in order to take up human nature. In the same post you claim he was fully God and fully man, but came as a servant. Despite these confused speach, you still claim the wise men worshipped the baby Jesus as God(despite that he was just man, haven "set aside" his God nature), Yet, according to you again, the Holy Spirit continued to teach the God that the wise men worshipped. Can you see how confused your posts have been?

JMAN05:
Nope. The six classes of food should be a better analogy. You keep missing the point. God cannot give you half or quarter and say it will make for a complete development of mind and body. In as much as God has added the latter phrase, what is stated should be all encompassing.

Don't lie against God o, He said "Oral and written", it is you that chose only written. I have used the case of vitamin effectively. There is nothing wrong in saying All vitamin is necessary for complete development, same with what God said about all Scripture (written tradition). However it is wrong to say only vitamin is necessary...,, same way it is unscriptural to say only scripture is necessary....

solite3:
Ezekiel 44:1

44:2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

44:3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same]

The gate is made for the prince who shall enter and go by the same.

If you say Mary is the gate through which Christ enter into the sanctuary?
1. What is the outward sanctuary?
2.since the prince was to go out through the same gate did Christ died through Mary?

Your questions again are beside the point made.
Did God shut the gate.....Yes.
Why did God shut the gate..... Because God has passed through it, hence no man should.

Did God pass through Mary...Yes, through her He came to earth.
If God had shut an ordinary gate he passed through, that no man should pass. How come it becomes absurd to us if same God keeps Mary virginal body shut from every man.

JMAN05:
Non-analogous! It didn't say "all psalms", but all scripture.

Same thing, it didn't say "all oranges", it says "all vitamins".

solite3:
what will God gain by keeping the womb of Mary? Why will God retire Mary's womb?
Does Mary remaining a virgin make her better than other women who gives birth?

What will God gain by closing a gate through which He passed? Why will God shut that Gate?
Does the gate remaining shut make it a better gate than the rest through which men pass?

These questions we can continue to ask, yet the scripture has thus said: "The LORD said to me, "This gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the LORD God of Israel has entered by it; therefore it shall be shut." Ezekiel.44:2

OLAADEGBU:
Are you telling me that Jesus started speaking grammar from the day he was born and began to teach his Joseph and Mary until he became an adult?

I wrote this earlier, I wish you could just read and comprehend: "God is all knowing, but unlike us, God does not know things by experiencing it. For example, God knows everything about cold but God does not feel cold. At birth Jesus could heal the sick and raise the dead, but his brain (and body) was that of a child and it pleased God to let it be thus, so as Jesus grew, he experienced what it means to feel cold, be sad, be hungry, be happy. This is the knowledge Jesus grew in, not that as God he needed to grow in knowledge and wisdom".

OLAADEGBU:
Why would the Holy Spirit teach God what he already knew? The Bible says Jesus grew in wisdom and stature and favour. Did God grow in wisdom, stature and favour?

You just have to make a decision, Was Jesus God or not? Seems you're still confused what to believe. When you know and believe in the truth, it will set you free to comprehend its mysteries.

OLAADEGBU:
Read your Bible as it says: "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" (Numbers 23:19).

Ah, so you've been reading bible eh? Have you seen "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen.6:6, I guess you've not also read "And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil..."1chron.21:15 Human words do not fully express God's dispositions, I have said it before, if you like continue.

Ubenedictus:
Y u dey thank am?

E concern you?

Ubenedictus:
so u dey look 4 support 4 d tin wey u do.

No worry yourself for where we dey, I am so sure that SalC knows that "If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed" John8:36. Continue de accuse the brethren.

Ubenedictus:
God don luk ur heart and e don see another man wife for inside ur heart. e clear say u don enter one chance, God don see ur heart.

There is one Lawgiver and Judge, the One being able to save and to destroy. But who are you judging the neighbor? Jam 4:12

OLAADEGBU:
"And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions" (Luke 2:46).

After services doctors of the law normally waited to converse and ask questions about the law. Jesus could not be teaching authoritatively and if he wanted to he could not until he reached the age of 30.

So much of your opinion, yet in all these I didn't see where it said he was learning, as you claimed he was.

OLAADEGBU:
"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man" (Luke 2:52).

This verse just destroyed your so called theory. Just as John the baptised was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit and received divine insight into the truth by God and earthly teaching he had while growing up. The Scriptures also confirmed that as his body grew and his mental faculties developed while he was being taught by the Holy Spirit. Christ had earthly teachers but he was always ahead of them because of his divine insight from the Holy Spirit.

Hahaha, see confusion. A while ago, you said he was God hence was worshiped by the wise men, now he (God) is "being taught" by the holy spirit, ok na.

OLAADEGBU:
You err in the sense that you don't understand the scriptures. The word "Repent" means "to have a change of mind." When the Bible tells sinners to repent, it means to change their direction, to turn from their sins. God's "repenting" is when He turns away from His fierce anger toward sinners.

I see you simply like to speak. You neither disputed any of my statement with facts nor added anything new. All you did was say I was wrong yet you end up saying same thing, contradict yourself or actually making no sense.

Rich4god:
Greetings to you all.....


Where is my zing....

Greetings to you bro, hope you're doing good.

OLAADEGBU:
The wise men worshipped God and that does not give you the liberty to worship Mary who you call the 'mother of God.'

Non sequitur

OLAADEGBU:
The truth is that no one called Mary the mother of God. Period.

Simple. There was no need for it, it was taken for granted that whoever gave birth to "the mighty God" Is 9:6, is the mother of God.

OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus teaching or was he asking questions and learning? Did he grow in wisdom at this stage? If yes, does God grow in wisdom and knowledge?

Point to note: The bible never said He was learning. I don't know what your bible have, but mine said He listened and asked them questions (Superiors do this often when they come amidst students discussion). Then note that the next verse said they marveled at his understanding and answers, this shows that even in questions difficult for them, he answered those to their amazement.


Now on the matter of Jesus growing in knowledge and wisdom, let me explain something, you may or may not appreciate it.

God is all knowing, but unlike us, God does not know things by experiencing it. For example, God knows everything about cold but God does not feel cold. At birth Jesus could heal the sick and raise the dead, but his brain was that of a child and it pleased God to let it be thus, so as Jesus grew, he experienced what it means to feel cold, be sad, be hungry, be happy. This is the knowledge Jesus grew in, not that as God he needed to grow in knowledge and wisdom.

Secondly, our human words often is limited in explaining God's disposition. You see the scripture talking about "God repented" Ex32:14, Gen.6:6, how can an all knowing repent, did he make a mistake? So bros, do not use such in arguing about Jesus.

hurricaneChris:
*clears throat* *clears throat again*
...(still cant talk clearly)


Brb

Na harmattan?

SalC:
Lol that's not possible nah. You and Uben jus de quote Bible ontop another man wife matter. See as i dey look una

Merry Christmas to you and a happy new year in advance

Thanks Nne, shebi I tell you before make you no de join my matter with Ubenedictus, you can now see he brings me only trouble.

Best wishes for the year ahead, may your lines fall for you in pleasant places.

Geist:
Continue to dey twist words up and down. The Bible never said it's all or only thing any true Christian needs.

Just let him continue. It's like saying "All vitamins (about 13 of them) are good for the complete development and sound health of mind and body". Then someone starts arguing that "Only vitamin is good for the complete development and sound health of mind and body". Isn't that deceit, or ignorance? How can you Ignore carbohydrates, protein and co and still expect complete development, I tire. Bible say "Oral and written" 1Thess.2:15, somebody say na only written, Ok na.

SalC, please wish me Merry Christmas na, I see you o, you just de see me de pass. You too don turn against me like Ubenedictus?

Ubenedictus:
Who treat u unfairly? no b u go do d do? So u tink say God dey pleased wit u afta u luk anoda man wife.

Na you de treat me unfairly, in fact you don enter trouble for am sef. Yes o, God is pleased with me because "People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart".1Sam.16:7

Ubenedictus:
I no luk am, i no admire am, i only see am. na only u luk, then u admire, then u... sumbori wife.

Chai, I'm calm because of 1 Peter 2:19 For God is pleased with you when you do what you know is right and patiently endure unfair treatment.

Ubenedictus:
you ar OYO! i no dey among those wey dey luk sumbori wife.

Which message you de pass to me so, So this wan wey you look na your wife...what!!! Uben, are you her....