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OLAADEGBU:
Even in His childhood?

OLAADEGBU:
Did you just say Jesus always knew who He was, even as from year 0-12?

You de fall my hand o, do you think the taught suddenly came to him at age 12? See Lk.2:42-52

He taught the wise and learned, and called this preaching/teaching ministry "My father's business".

OLAADEGBU:
No one said Mary isn't the mother of God because it would be preposterous to suggest that she was in the first place.

Hahahaha, now we have a reason for some truths not to be in the scripture. Carry on.

OLAADEGBU:
No. Remember, it was not obvious who Jesus was before arriving here on earth. The wise men could discern through diligent studying and meditating on the Scriptures, see who Jesus really was, that He was God who became a man so as to make men become the sons of God.

So your answer is NO they didn't commit Idolatry. This can only be true if they worshiped God and not man, that's why I am not sure of your position in this, because up there, in your reply to Ubenedictus, you don't believe Jesus was God as a child. Now in your reply to me, you agree that the wise men worshiped him (infant Jesus) as God. Ayam not understanding o

Ubenedictus:



xmas na wakawaka time.

besides, Y u dey admire another man wife?

ok, Kontinu.

Chai, No be you first admire? But God try sha for this His work " He hath made every thing beautiful in his time"Eccl.3:11.

solite3:
you can't reason without insults.
Do well and read my reply to ubenedictus.

Smh

You simply have nothing to say. Go through your posts and see how "courteous" and "truthful"you've been, I highlighted some of it before making my statements at each point. They are not hidden, they are here for all to see.

OLAADEGBU:
How you take know?

E no concern you, shebi e no de bible, leave am na

Ubenedictus:
i just did my xmas journey around ur profile.
abeg hw many people for here see her fyn pix b4 me?

The picture fine no be small. Wetin you de find reach there, you too waka waka for this Christmas o

JMAN05:
16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work

FULLY COMPETENT, COMPLETELY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK.

If you think you need more than what is written to be completely equipped, OYO for you!

Lol.

2Thess.2:15 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle".

If you think only epistles hold all traditions, then you're on your own and against the epistles.

solite3:
when a man has run out of reason he results to insults that is your case.
Yet none of this showed Mary is the mother of God. It is not a matter of shame,Mary cannot give birth to God cause God is not born neither is he made. Mary was only the mother of the man Jesus not the word. The word had existed before Mary john 1:1.

What exactly in my post is the Insult? Brethren make una see o, "wherefore consider, I pray you, and see how he seeketh a quarrel against me" 2Kings.5:7. Jesus was never man alone, the child in Mary's womb is the word that took flesh Jn.1:14.


Merry Christmas Solite3

solite3:
the word became flesh telling you mary bore a man not God.
Jesus existed before Mary. He is before all things.
I respect Mary not because she bear the man Christ Jesus but because of her faith.
Mary never gave her self the title theotokus, neither did Jesus or the disciples in fact Mary never played any significant role in the church like the apostles it was pagans that gave her that name. Your Jesus is the Antichrist not the Jesus of the bible.
You religion is called the cult of mary! The church of Christ is built on Jesus not Mary.

Chai, sorry o. The word became flesh, means God took flesh Jn1:1-14. This God, that Mary bore, was worshiped by the wise men (Matt.2:11). This God, that Mary bore, forgave sins (Mark.2:5). All generations shall call her blessed, it's scriptural

Merry Christmas solite3

solite3:
it is clear you don't even know what you are saying.
Who is accusing who? Are you not the one accusing me?
Isaiah didn't say Mary is the mother of God.
Blowing your trumpet? Hahahaha.
Keep on destroying your self with false doctrine that Jesus or the apostles never knew. If any man or even an angel preach another Jesus the apostles never preached let him be accursed.

Go back and read my post again slowly.

I don't practice faith your satanic faith of marianism which like you said was developed by men.

Hahahaha, do you even read my posts? Abi "my pastor say" don cloud your brain. In this your post for instance what point have you made? Scripture stare at you in the face, but you fail to realize truth. See as you just de rant with hate.

The word became flesh in Mary's womb Jn.1:14, Mary bore the word. The word was God Jn1:1, Mary bore God. Mary is Theotokus (God bearer)

Merry Christmas Solite3

solite3:
Mary cannot take care of the Almighty. Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying Mary at some point was greater than God because a baby is dependent on her mother. Saying Mary gave birth to God means you are saying Mary gave birth to God the father, the son and the holy Spirit.

Hahahaha, don't be ashamed for God, He isn't like you. He wasn't ashamed to take flesh and redeem His own, He wasn't ashamed to be born in a stable(Lk2:7). He wasn't ashamed to run to Egypt, from Herod(Matt.2:13-33). God wasn't ashamed to take flesh in the womb of Mary(Lk.1:31-35). He wasn't ashamed to obey them as His parents(LK.2:51). So don't worry about it implying that Mary is greater than God, no, our ways are not God's ways. However even on earth, mothers of Kings are not greater than them, but that's by the way.

solite3:
nope we have one Jesus with two natures one God and the other man. Jesus was a man in Mary's womb.
It was the human nature of Christ that was formed and developed in Mary's womb.

Go back and read Jn.1:1-14 again. The word, which was God, took flesh. In the womb of the Virgin, God took flesh. Alleluia!

solite3:
it a seems you hate it anytime christians quote scripture. Is the scripture wrong? You are saying the church fathers canonized the scriptures were they the ones who wrote the scriptures?
You are just like the pharisees, the scribes and lawyers who believed they kept the laws of moses hence anything they say is always correct but Jesus denounced them heavily.

.According to you Jesus should not have denounced the teachings of the pharisees seeing they were older than him and where the one who preserved the lado you know there may be books written by moses which may prove Christ wrong will you accept this? How would you know such a book doesn't exist?
In the bible nothing like theotokus not even a hint have you ever seat down and read the bible?
Funny man you are asking me where is the alleged books Paul wrote. Well what we have today is the complete bible nothing more! Any other book is not inspired are at best forged.

1.Hahahaha, false accusations you have resorted to now, lol. Are my posts not laced with scriptural references? Lol. Syncan will not blow his trumpet, but those who have truth in them will laugh at your accusations. Quoting scripture isn't the issue here, it's understanding what you are quoting and not wrench it into your own destruction (2Pet.3:16).

2. I don't know where you got your Pharisee quarrels, it doesn't concern me. You want to see Theotokus in Scripture abi, OK na. What scripture tells me is that :

Mary bore in her womb the "Mighty God" Isaiah 9:6.
Mary bore in her womb the word made flesh, and this word was God Jn.1:1-14 .
Mary gave birth to a Child who was God and was worshipped. Matt.2:11

That's all I need to know, if you know where scripture says Mary is not the mother of God, or that her child-whom she carried in her womb- Jesus is not God, show me. Well, for the church fathers, since you know nothing about the development of the faith you claim to practice, make I leave that side for now.

Ubenedictus:
weytin i do? u do your own nostalgia, i do my own, 1-1, which trouble i find?

A merry Christmas to you.

Rich4god:
I can sight salc..... merry Christmas to you all....

Merry Christmas to you too.

SalC:
Who hacked Syncan and Ubenedictus' monikers?
Those two keep digging posts, let me keep my fingers crossed and simply watch

Nne na wa o, why you de join me with Ubenedictus na, I just de mind my own o.

Ubenedictus:
My own nostalgia

Shebi after you go say na syncan find trouble pass.

OLAADEGBU:
You keep going on about "church fathers" which of the disciples who lived and ate with Jesus referred to Mary as the mother of God?

Show me any one that said she isn't the mother of God.

OLAADEGBU:
There is no doubt that Jesus was God but when He was born He came as a human being. Mary did not give birth to God.

Matt. 2:11

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Did the wise men commit Idolatory in the passage above?

solite3:
the apostles of Christ who wrote the scriptures which church fathers canonised never recognised Mary as the mother of God. It was the invention of roman pagan tradition.

Paul in speaking to the Jews said Jesus is the seed of David according to the flesh which means Jesus relationship with Mary as his mother or David as his father ended in the flesh.
Jesus said his mother and brethren are those who listen to his words.
Mary was just a vessel used by God.

Isn't it funny that you now know the teachings of the apostles more than those who canonized the bible. You are accusing those who canonized the bible in 393AD, then few years later in 431AD denounced the heresy of Nestorius (which you now hold unto) and declared Mary Theotokus, of practicing pagan tradition and your proof is the book they canonized. They read the scriptures in original languages, they interacted with the children of the apostles disciples, you come after 1500yrs, with all the multiple teachings of Protestantism, and claim you now know better than them. Have you for once asked yourself "If St. Paul said in First Corinthians that he had written them an earlier epistle, where is it? What was the content?" The apostles taught by word of mouth, and wrote where they deem fit. Let me not go further, for even you don't believe the scriptures, for it says that the word was made flesh and dwelth among us (first, in Mary's womb). Mary bore the word in her womb, and the word was God. Mary is Theotokus (God bearer). There is no where in the whole of scriptures, where Scripture says Mary is not the mother of God.

solite3:
. That verse is clear enough! Mary is the mother of Jesus in the flesh is biblically sound not mother of God.

Hahahaha, it's not by shouting. The Church fathers, who canonized the books you now know as scripture, understood that verse as well as I do. That's why your erroneous position was condemned by them and I. In the womb of Mary was the word (JN.1:14),..."and the word was God" JN.1:1

solite3:
the deity of Christ is not in contest but saying Mary is the mother of God is heresy. The early church never conceived the idea of Mary being mother of God. Such idea originated from pagans.

Mary was the mother of Jesus only in the flesh not the mother of God.

See this verse,

Romans 1:3 [b]Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;[/b]

Here Paul was saying David was the father of Jesus according to the flesh. If Mary was the mother of God then David must also be the father of God because David was the father of Mary.

According to Catholics Paul must be a heretic for this statement.
Such is what church dogma is.

Rhetorics. How Jesus was connected to David is there for everyone to see. Joseph whose lineage (paternal) tied Jesus to David is only a foster father. So it's therefore a weak argument to use. Mary bore God (the word) in her womb. She is God bearer (Theotokus), and your ldenial of historical fact changes nothing. A number of those who canonized the books you call scripture today we're still those who condemned your view and that of your father in it Nestorius. 431AD in Ephesus, go find out. They tell you that the the Gospels of Mathew, mark, John and Luke are canons and that of James isn't, you take it. Yet same people tell you that Mary is Theotokus, you say no. Continue picking and choosing.

OLAADEGBU:
Was baby Jesus aware of His deity?

Please answer my question, then ask yours.

OLAADEGBU:
The deity of Christ is not in doubt and that is beside the point.

The whole point is this: In the womb of Mary, was the Deity of Christ in doubt?

solite3:
the point is Mary was never the mother of God,she was the mother of the Jesus only in the flesh nothing more. Don't try to push it beyond that.

You just posted the heresy of Nestorius. In 431AD, when the church was still about 400 years old, when the great great grand children of Christ's disciple were still alive, this your opinion was condemned by Christendom.

The church affirmed that in line with scriptures Jn1.1, the word was God. Again that in line with Scriptures Jn1:14, this same word which is God, took flesh in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Hence it is scriptural to say that Mary bore God in her womb. Any other thing na you sabi.

N.B It's important to note that some of those who determined what books you call the bible, were part of this Council.

JMAN05:
I still wonder why my statement is so ambiguous for you to understand. I repeat:
This must be borne in mind as you consider whatever is claimed to be a true xten tradition.

Your statement has no basis from the passage you quoted. They have no relationship. All Scripture is good for teaching never means everything" essential for the Christian" was later written down, as you claim.

Nostalgia...Today, down memory lane. https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics/429#41263578

Syncan:
From Today's Gospel.

"When the time arrived for Elizabeth to have her child she gave birth to a son. Her neighbors and relatives heard that the Lord had shown his great mercy toward her, and they rejoiced with her.". LK 1:57-66


Wait! Did you hear that? "When the time arrived..." it says. There is a time for everything under the sun remember Eccl.3:1. The time for many things in our lives; we do not know, yet in this season of memories; one cannot but ruminate with nostalgia some times in our lives when we couldn't just wait for "the time" to arrive....How does the priest in his silver jubilee feel; when he recalls what he felt for the bishop the time his ordination was differed by six months? How does the mother of three in a ten year old marriage feel; when she recalls what she felt for her parents in the restrictions and sanctions during her adolescence? How does a husband of fifteen years with a loving wife feel; when he recalls what he felt some nights in school living beside a neighbor who was cohabiting? What could be going through the mind of a well earning worker; when the worker remembers the many times Christmas had met him unemployed? What does it feel like to that 39yrs old sister I know, that got wedded this season; when she recalls what she's felt for God and men in the past 18yrs or so? Ah...na wa o, some of us will definitely unconsciously begin the mea culpa as they recall the past, for in our desperation, several regrettable feelings, thoughts and actions took place. Yet, when the time arrived everything fell in place, for God makes all things beautiful in HIs time Eccl.3:11. Indeed beloved brethren, oge Chukwu ga-asuru gi ohia, o gaghi ekwe umu uwa nghota. Just like the neighbors of Elizabeth and Zachariah, your neighbors will marvel and rejoice with you.


Seasons greetings to:

dmandy, jamp, marksooyinmiebi, deracathy, Fembleez1, darknez,Tobetoe, Grego3, afanda, Rose2014, pamcrest, MrAladin, Hidentity, Burmak,
Lordnammy, titoetal, Nomski0, wonda26, Davikk01, Livebullet, marykaydee, Polkabluedot, Tuneller, Dyla, exxell, Clemigho, Lovethywilbedon, Macelliot, Frodobee, starbuck

May your cups never run dry.


Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

A joyous Christmas to all.

Ubenedictus:
really eyah!

sonmvayina:
The morning star is the planet Venus...it is always discribed as a she.

Eiyaa, Sorry o.

sonmvayina:
I am not arguing with anybody..just putting the truth in public domain..those who can read..let them read.

It is truth because you said it or what? I simply asked a question based on your claims.

I went to read and i found that passage. In the passage I showed you, was morning star for a HE or She?