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SalC:
Yeah you've always had that kind of ear

Am sure its something we mutually share...among other things

SalC:
You haven't gone to church or are you typing from church?

One of your submissions is true, choose one.

SalC:
Sure! God is faithful

It's pleasing to my ears

SalC:
Wishing you the great blessings of Christ the supreme king.

Yeah long time bro, hope you are doing great?

Thanks nne, am doing just fine. I believe you are too.

Christ is king forever and ever! May He reign in our hearts always.

Good morning brethren, a splendid Sunday ahead to all.


SalC, long time.

Christ is king forever and ever! May He reign in our hearts always.

gaelllic:
If you will not learn proper Christian teaching, at least learn the use of paragraphs ...and coloring books.
Your write-up is an eyesore.

Now.

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1. Please don't be absurd. Whatever I edit is for reasons of space and clarity. Sources are clearly indicated in order to encourage people
to personally verify authenticity.

2. The word 'non-Christians' precisely, precisely refers to atheists and pagans. Search your intellect (it oughtn't take long), and find
me any non-Christian who cannot be described as pagan (false god doctrine) or atheist (no-gods doctrine).

3. The notion that the Holy Spirit is at work in false religions (bolded) confirms your theological illiteracy.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those
men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.
For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also,
and divinity: so that they are inexcusable

- Romans 1: 18-20
)

4. The verse clearly condemns as ungodly and unjust those who detain the truth
They are condemned because the truth (of God) is manifest.
Manifest in creation itself ("...being understood by the things that are made...")
and so they are without excuse.

Therefore...

Atheists who claim ignorance of God for 'lack of evidence' are... (fill in the blank space).

5. Lies, lies, lies.

"... today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of a return, by which the others
would ‘be converted’ and return to being ‘Catholics’. This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II.”
- 'Cardinal' Kasper, Head, Vatican’s Council for Promoting Christian Unity
(under Wojtyla and Ratzinger.)

“… so that education can be imparted to their children in all schools according to the families’ own moral
and religious principles.”

- Antipope Paul VI, Gravissimum Educationis (# 7), Oct. 28, 1965

"We must walk united with our differences: there is no other way to become one.”
- Francis, Thinking Faith, Sept. 19, 2013, p. 10.

Truth, truth, truth.

“… for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the
one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it...”

- Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, 1928

“Wherefore, since outside the Catholic Church there is nothing perfect,
nothing undefiled, the Apostle declaring that "all that is not of faith is sin" (Romans 14:23), we are[b] in no way[/b]
likened with those who are divided from the unity of the Body of Christ; we are joined in no communion

- Pope St. Leo the Great, Sermon 129

The VII Church is opposed to converting people to Catholicism. Period.
Your feeble attempt to pretend otherwise confirms you as both ludicrous and base.

P.S. I condemn the VII Church as apostate.
You argue against me by citing VII documents. (without comparing them to earlier ones)
Purely by the rules of rational debate you are ...[fill in blank space]

Hahahaha, so you consider exposing the limitation of your device, and your vision handicap, a mark of your intellectual advancement? I see.

1. Continue telling lies, you substituted two words "but due" with "..." just for space and clarity? Yeah, I see that those two words can take a whole page, and completely misleading the unsuspecting reader is your version of clarity. Ride on.

2. Another lie. Are Jews not non Christians, are they pagans or atheists? Stop deceitfully pointing people to a direction, be truthful.

3. Lies again. If you know even the basic level of theology, you would know that the holy spirit has always been in action from the creation of man. Rom2:14-15 "For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves : Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another" (Douay-Rheims)

4. O heretic, what else can I say here. Pick your Bible and read, read chapter 1 till the end to see what ungodliness and injustice entails, then read chapter 2 to understand that he wasn't passing judgement on "those who have not the law", as you do. In fact, chapter 2 starts with a warning for you. In summary everyone is called to act right, whether Jews or gentile, for the spirit acts in everyman naturally, via a medium known as conscience. That's what St. Paul is saying, you can go ahead and proclaim anathema on St. Paul, O judge.

5. Bla bla bla, stop diverting attention, remain on your slander of Pope Francis, that's what I am exposing your lies about.

PS. I continue to suspect your lack of comprehension. I quoted those documents to refute your slander against the holy father, Pope Francis. To show that he actually quoted working documents in the Vatican, yet you make it look like he originated them. What is my business nor Pope Francis's business about which council of our church an outsider agrees with or not? Stop giving yourself too much credit, Arian, Nestorius, Luther, and the rest of your father's did same, yet the church Christ established still lives on, beyond them.

gaelllic:
"Proselytism (evangelism) is solemn nonsense. It makes no sense."
- Francis, October 1, 2013,


If the man who said such a thing is your 'papa',

then you're of the Devil.

You see your life? According to a 2007 document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith titled "Instruction on Some Aspects of Evangelization".

"The term proselytism originated in the context of Judaism, in which the term proselyte referred to someone who, coming from the gentiles, had passed into the Chosen People.
So too, in the Christian context, the term proselytism was often used as a synonym for missionary activity.
More recently, however, the term has taken on a negative connotation, to mean the promotion of a religion by using means, and for motives, contrary to the spirit of the Gospel; that is, which do not safeguard the freedom and dignity of the human person".

Now looking at the bold, why should Pope Francis encourage it? Now lets look at what the Holy Father is saying, listen to his words:

"Remember what Benedict XVI said: “The Church does not grow by proselytizing; she grows by attracting others.”
And what attracts is our witness. Being a catechist means witnessing to the faith, being consistent in our personal life. This is not easy!
We help, we lead others to Jesus with our words and our lives, with our witness. I like to recall what Saint Francis of Assisi used to say to his friars: “Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words.”
Words come . . . but witness comes first: people should see the Gospel, read the Gospel, in our lives [Address to Catechists, April 27, 2013].

O heretic, Just tell me how this isn't a sound teaching.

gaelllic:
You are a base and ludicrous liar.

Or possibly simply illiterate.

Really? I used two adjectives, "Ignorant, and conspiracy theory worship", now I'll take your number one point and x-ray to show it. It is left for you to show that your father is not the "Accuser of the brethren" Rev.12:10, by proving your adjectives of base, ludicrous liar, and illiterate.

gaelllic:
Francis teaching:
“Non-Christians [such as pagans and atheists], by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences,
can live “justified by the grace of God”, and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”… to the sacramental
dimension of sanctifying grace...to live[b] our own beliefs[/b].”

Antipope Francis, Evangelii Gaudium (# 254), Nov. 24, 2013

True Catholic Teaching:
“If anyone shall have said that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certitude by those things
which have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema(accursed).”

Pope Pius IX,
First Vatican Council, 1869-1870

“If anyone shall have denied the one true God, Creator and Lord of visible and invisible things: let him be anathema.”

Pope Pius IX,
First Vatican Council.

For the invisible things of him, from the creation
of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also,
and divinity: so that they are inexcusable
[right] Romans 1:19-21
(Douay-Rheims)

For a start, the heretic inputs into the popes writings this "[such as pagans and atheists]", just to point you to the direction he wants you. Then when your antenna goes up at mention of atheists and pagans, he intentionally hides very important parts of the same paragraph with "......". This is to make you read all the words as related together, hence making the reader feel like "Unbelievable!!!". Note, he has two "..." there, the first one covers only these two words "But due". Why hide those two words? It is because "but" immediately tells the reader that there's more than just what had been read, and makes the reader more inquisitive to see the whole writing. The second "...." hides these words "While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. The same Spirit everywhere brings forth various forms of practical wisdom which help people to bear suffering and to live in greater peace and harmony. As Christians, we can also benefit from these treasures built up over many centuries, which can help us better to live our own beliefs." It is imperative to note that, that this paragraph was almost entirely lifted from this publication "Christianity and the world religions" (1996), a very intensive study. Its referenced as "Enchiridion vaticanum 15, Nos 1061, 1070-1076" but the heretic will make you think it's all originating from Pope Francis,yet it came into existence in 1996, who was the Pope then, Francis? I won't go into the quotes from the Pope Pius IX, for it is completely mutual exclusive to what Pope Francis was talking about, that's something the heretic has put for the conspiracy theorists to start shouting Anathema!!! Anathema!!!

Again, see how the heretic cunningly quoted Rom.1:19-21, and highlighted the part "so that they are inexcusable", yet he refuses to say who it was addressed to as seen in the verse before it, see vs 18 : For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice. When you read further down, St. Paul makes it clearer by explaining in Rom 2:14-15 "For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another". Maybe the heretic will declare St. Paul anathema too. .

Long Live the Pope!!!

gaelllic:
The purpose is to demonstrate that Jorge Bergoglio (aka Francis) is a manifest heretic, apostate
and false pope.Regardless of the reader's affiliation, it will be obvious that this man does not preach Roman Catholicism.
but rather the Antichristianity of the Antichurch.........

........Thus
Francis is not a Roman Catholic.
Francis does not teach Roman Catholicism.
Francis teaches the new One World Religion of the Antichrist.
The religion of Hollywood, the Media, the Modernists, and Oprah.
You've been warned.

A typical example of what Ignorance and conspiracy theory worship can get you into. See how they try to force your understanding of a statement towards one direction. When the Pope's statement is supported by scripture they quote another Pope out of context, when his statement is supported by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, they quote scripture and wrench the interpretation unto their own destruction...like St. peter had warned. Catholics beware, only the truth sets free.


A song for the Pope, the Royal Pope

Who rules from sea to sea;

Whose kingdom and scepter never shall fail,

What a valiant king Is he! What a valiant king is he!


No warrior hordes hath he with their swords,

His rock built throne to guard;

Yet against it the gates Of hell shall war

In vain, as they ever have warred.


Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! |x2|

Yet one more cheer for the Royal Pope,

Hurrah! Hurrah!! Hurrah!!!

OLAADEGBU:
Are you not the one quoting scriptures? Why don't you quote where you saw 3 wise men who worshipped God?



If the wise men worshipped God...the child of Mary, what stops you or your '3 wise men' from worshipping the [i]more powerfu[/i]l mother of God?

Mtchew. Deception engulfs you. Can't even say what you believe from what you read. Keep going round and round.

OLAADEGBU:
Who told you there were three wise men in the first place?

At least we agree there were wise men who gave three gifts,(how I got three is beside the point) stop chasing shadows, or have you not found any page to copy and paste for me.

Oga, So you mean the wise men worshiped God...the child of Mary? Matt.2:11

raphieMontella:
guy..you wicked!

Naah. Just being my brothers keeper.

OLAADEGBU:
In other words what you're really saying is that Mary is the mother of God, right?

It's just scripture i quoted. So you mean the three wise men worshiped God...the child of Mary?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus came as a man not as God. He came in His humanity leaving behind His glory as God. Do you believe Mary is the mother of God?

Matt. 2:11 ..And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him:

Who did the three wise men worship, man or God?

OLAADEGBU:
Is it not your line of thought or rather belief, that Mary is the mother of God?

I wasn't the one that started comparing Jesus and His Mother, with other men and their mothers. Why not answer the question, during the flight to Egypt, was Jesus God?

OLAADEGBU:
Are you saying that it was Mary that protected God? Is Mary more powerful than God?

Mr man, stop being silly. I asked you a question to show the ridiculousness of your line of thought, why don't you answer it.

SalC:
Lol am just wondering, in their minds, when will the seat ever be occupied again. They had a vacant seat for close to sixty years.

It's not our business what Non-Catholics think about the seat of Peter.

Ubenedictus:
I guess u havent been around d sspx circle, they look at anything coming from rome as suspect, they believe if d pope isnt speaking ex cathedra then he may very well b teaching heresy. The sspx will agree francis is pope but they certainly will disagree with 60% of what he says and they wouldn't bother to obey because it isnt extraordinarily binding.

I met a sspx bishop some time ago and he claimed rome is infirm and suffering from alzemiers that prevents her from recalling correctly. They have a huge beef with papa francis since they believe he is very liberal.

I understand what you're saying. That which I have made bold, informed my post, the Poster seem not to agree with that.

OLAADEGBU:
So was Mary at any point in time more powerful than God since mothers at some point are more powerful than their children?

Hahahaha, if you want to think that way, then consider the flight to Egypt, who protected the other between mother and child, Or was Jesus not God at that time?

Raphael81:
your mother is bound for hell

Why? Kindly read his post again.

Ubenedictus:
i think it is either sspx or sedesvacante, they are accusing the present pope of teaching heresy and contradicting past church doctrines.

Only an ignorant or confused SSPX member will write that, its most likely coming from the sede vacante enclave. Those guys ....I tire.

analice107:
I saw your reply. Its okay sir. God bless.

I appreciate. God bless you.

analice107:
Yes sir, I pmed syncan too but am yet to hear from him.

I did respond, it came back undelivered. I PMed you. Now after seeing this, I have reached back to you again.

solite3:
pls show me from the scriptures where angels pleads for me or act as a bridge between God and man.

Oga, stop taking him back, it isn't his duty to read through the thread for you. I will however help you out. Go back to the first page of the thread, any where you see post from Ayoku777, read it. He is a non catholic like you, who reads the bible and interprets by himself...just like you. If you agree with him ok; if you disagree with him, you can sought that out amongst you.

Ubenedictus:
IN CHRIST DWELLS THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. he didnt stop been GOD when he came to each. he was still God and is still God. the Godhead didnt disappear from him when he came to earth.

Amen Amen. As a matter of fact, he is Emmanuel (God with us).

Peacefullove:
your points are totally nonsensical. Nobody is named Jesus in heaven , the person named Jesus was given birth to by Mary . for you to claim Jesus is God on other threads but to come here and say he is Son of God display your inconsistency .

you well know that admitting Jesus is God here too will mean Mary is the Mother of God ( Jesus ). but instead you will say he is Son of God just to save face . smh

hahahahaha, you've not seen anything yet.

hurricaneChris:
That yesterday gospel had so many reflections on it.

But my prayer is that, may we never act like the rich man when we find ourselves in abundance of material thing.

#AllWeHaveComeFromGod

Amen Amen.

marksooyinmiebi:
Happy new month People of God.

A splendid month ahead to you.

Ubenedictus:
Who call my name?

Sorry Oga, na tongue of sleep. But as you don come, any thing for ya boys?

Ubenedictus:
So u think sending God someone prayer isnt intercession. well i'll leave u to ur opinions.

Your mentions brought me back to this thread, and I see the ping pong going on here. I have however said all that i have to say on the thread and left when misrepresentation of facts started coming in, like its a win or lose debate. Like i had earlier summarized, the Catholic Church has rightly held that angels did and still do intercede for man, just as every member of the body of Christ can intercede for one another, as a participant in the great intercessory role of Christ. For the non-catholic we have seen them divided among themselves in their stand: some say the angels interceded in the old testament; but no longer now, While others say the angels never interceded at all neither then nor now. These non Catholics accuse the Catholic Church of not being "only Scripture" adherents, yet I am forced to ask why they don't have same truth if the Holy Spirit indeed is the one interpreting scriptures for them. Their greatest problem is that they've lost their history. They won't ask questions like: when did we have this book called the bible? What was Christianity like in the days before or during the collation and canonization of the bible? Since we believe in the credibility of those who gave us this collection of books called the bible, what were their teachings on various topics? These should help a bible scholar untie loose knots, for those people heard directly from the apostles, or those who heard from them.

Marcus Garvey — 'A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots.'

^^^ Amen Amen.

Good morning brethren, a splendid week ahead to all.