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SalC:
However we look at it, am not sure the pope took a neutral position in the real sense of neutrality, it's true he was silent during the synod, but silence in this context isn't same as being neutral,

At the end of the vote, he ought to scrap those paragraphs already discussed and voted for, but our dear pope did otherwise, the big question is WHY?. This is probably because he leaned toward the progressive group and somehow is hoping further discussion on it will get the progressive group their wish.

Did you read his speech Salc?

KingMEXX:
I know am a bit late, buh I choose 24th October..
Its my birthday.

Currently writing my professionals, that's why I've not been regularly online, remember us in prayers peeps.
Happy new month in arrears and I pray that God would bless us with his strength to take part actively in this month's devotion and for our lives to be impacted upon +vely at the very end...Peace

"Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows"-----Lk12:6-7.

As we unite in prayers for you today, may your future be secure in God's hands.

Happy Birthday bro.

SalC:
Well interesting thing here is, whereas this guys ideology look like or sounds like that of Sedevacantist, he openly denounces sedevantism, infact I have debated alongside him against a sedevacantist few months ago, except he became one recently and that's one thing I don't really understand about him

Oh Ok, I see. Traditional Catholics...I see...well the problem is knowing when your criticism of the novo ordo missa and vatican two gets to a point bordering on excommunication. As long as the one continues to be Obedient to the Churchs' teaching, his line of thought is welcome for consideration and needed to keep the church in the right path.

italo:
For me there is nothing like "liberal Catholic" and "conservative Catholic." There should be no dichotomy therein.

A Catholic should be both conservative and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.

Some people who call themselves Conservative Catholics would not as much as baptize the children of a single mother...while some people who call themselves Liberal Catholic would obstinately denounce the doctrines of God like (marriage being between a man an a woman), yet claim to be Catholic. Some so-called conservatives will disown a child who , marries a non Catholic, while some so-called liberal Catholics will have children out of wedlock and proclaim it to be okay, no need to confess and right the wrong. These things are sins!

These things are sins!

A Catholic is one who upholds the doctrine of God (as taught by the Church), but who knows that the essence for this doctrine is love...love for God and man.

A Catholic upholds Church teaching, admits his wrong when he falters, and is able to look at those who err through the eyes of mercy and love.

Be vigilant when people are trying to create false dichotomies and division...as if to say there are two different kinds of Catholics...two different churches in one.

If you will disown your child for marrying a non-Catholic, you're simply unCatholic, not conservative Catholic.

If you believe gay marriage is okay, you're simply uncatholic, not liberal Catholic.

A Catholic is conservative and liberal.

God bless you.

Good one. At the bold, believe me Italo, a true catholic will mourn his/her child that leaves the church. Disowning a child for this reason is wrong, but how many of us can check our actions when we are wounded. I'll rather use other examples, for I have seen the pain of a parent whose child left the church in marriage. Some actually feel like they've disappointed God, for to them, they've lost a soul kept under their Care.

Ubenedictus:
i think you are hurriedly dismissing them. Sedesvacantist are a tough nut, they are usually wrong in their conclusions but they are not necessarily all wrong.

Most times they raise important issue that should make a catholic think, vatican 2 is always an interesting topic to discuss, the council that shaped the catholic church today is very very much more controversial than the just concluded synod that everyone is still talking about.


They have half truths, lies sensation stories and all that, but, in every lie there is a germ of truth, the sedesvacantist just have a skewed perspective.

See me see trouble, what is my business with one who has excommunicated himself,or are they Catholics? It's rather interesting that you're inclined towards an Ideology that takes one out of the church.

Ubenedictus:
interesting choice of words, the pope took the neutral position. I read it a few days ago, He is a great referee, i didn't know one can say so many quotable and fine words without actually saying something that takes a stand.


Usually the sections not agreed in the synod are scrapped and new stuff are written and voted upon, i found it interesting that the pope decided to keep the paragraphs that weren't agreed upon in the final document and just published the result of the voting.

Everybody seems unhappy with card lorenzo, they seem think the tried to manipulate the synod.


Anyway till next year.

With all the bouhaha that preceded and continued during the synod, the speech of the Pope gave me much relief. It still makes the upcoming general synod something to look forward to, and put in all of us the need to keep praying and not to relax. The Holy Spirit is alive and active, the church is marching on.

elampiro:

That CCC is talking about two issues relating to gays.

1. People who are gays and are active.
2. People who have the tendencies but are not active.

The number one above is forbidden by the church. The Cardinals are not contesting the number two because the act is not committed. Pope Francis also want to allow divorce and fornication and number 1 above.

What are the number 2 people called?

elampiro:
Let me also ask you a question.

1. What is the essence of the Synod?
2. Why can't the Pope just refer the bishops to these sections if they (the sections) are in favour of welcoming gay?
3. What is the church teaching on divorce?


Now to answer your question, the part the Pope wants to change is the one that has to do with welcoming people who are active in gay acts. This is what the church forbids. He also want to change the divorce and forication laws.

A question has turned to three, can't you just do anything right? Anyway, let me answer the first one.

Based on the prevalent problems peculiar to family life, which commenced a long time ago but has taken center stage in our world presently, and which has been raising questions and begging for shift or reaffirmation from the Church, the synod is called to discuss it.

"to define the current situation and to collect the bishops' experiences and proposals in proclaiming and living the Gospel of the Family in a credible manner." The working document said that the III Extraordinary General Assembly "will thoroughly examine and analyze the information, testimonies and recommendations received from the particular Churches in order to respond to the new challenges of the family." This is inline with scripture and the traditions of the church.


You lie about Pope Francis, please support your claim with proof.

vest:
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Sedes Vacantist! They are a confused bunch, flip flopping their way through, yet pride will not allow them retrace their steps. They get their beliefs from a site called Most holy family Monastery, which some of them think is an actual monastery. The owners use half truths, unverified claims, fear, sensationalism and all sorts of cut and join to hypnotize their followers. Little by Little you see conspiracy in everything including what your own family members do or say, but they start with the church hierarchy. Pay no heed to them bro, that's nothing compared to what the church has stood against in history. Salc has said much in advise.

elampiro:
Let the readers discern that. It's not for you. Maria Faustina was thought to be a false seer by the church, also the children of Fatima.

Am I not a reader too, now he wants to strip me of my rights as a reader, Lol. Now you hate me like you do Pope Francis.

elampiro:
On the ACT.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.


ON THE TENDENCIES/URGE:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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REF 141 above: Cf. Gen 19: 1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10.

So which Part of this is the Pope trying to change?

beryl04:
Your ignorance stinks to high heavens !

Where do u get all this your cooked up stories huh?
From your spiritual director too?
O masee ooo!

Naaaah, his prophets!

MissMeiya:
elmapiro did you even read what you put up there? You have now succeeded in contradicting yourself.

Thanks dear, I feel like allowing the readers to read and judge for themselves.

vest:
@elampiro Pls Can U Answer The Quesion Sycan Is Asking? From An Authorise Source We Want To Learn??

He has no answer, he is just as ignorant as it gets, specialist in accusing the brethren, yet knows not what they infringe. How many posts now and he cannot say the teaching of the church on homosexuality and where the church taught that. Yet he could quote all and sundry claiming prophecy. If he be humble I will teach him, but no, he is far gone in pride and bitterness.

elampiro:
Your two colleagues did. I have three of you arguing with me. The fourth person has a different argument.

Now he goes into story telling. You told a lie against me, I asked for proof, now you say it was my colleagues...and the fourth person having a different argument, how does this sound to you o "accuser of the brethren".

elampiro:
Tuesday, October 14, 2014:
Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing the tablets of My Ten Commandments in front of you, but you are a also seeing a black veil being placed over them as the devil’s attempts to hide the truth of My Law. I told you that I came on the earth to fulfill the Law, and not to change it. It is true that I love everyone, and I want everyone to come to church. You all know the Ten Commandments, and if you commit a mortal sin, then you need to confess any serious sin in Confession before you can receive Me in Holy Communion. All those who have mortal sin on their souls, commit a sin of sacrilege if they receive Holy Communion. You are hearing about discussions about the sexual sins that are under My Church’s understanding of the Sixth Commandment. Let there be no doubt that fornication in living together, adultery of relations with other men or women, and homosexual acts between two men or two women, are all mortal sins in My eyes. Any people who claim that these acts are not mortal sins, are committing heresy in My eyes. I always accept sinners to come to Me for forgiveness. Same sex marriage is an abomination in My eyes, and I am the judge of this, and it should not be accepted in My Church. My faithful remnant need to stand up for their true beliefs in My Law, and even defend My Church from any heresies. I have given My laws to be obeyed, and not to be rationalized or glossed over by a make-believe love. If you truly love Me, and do not want to offend Me, you will obey My laws, and have your mortal sins confessed in Confession.”

Jesus said: “My people, in your previous cold war with Russia, you had a clock that moved closer to twelve o’clock when there was a threat for nuclear war. Now, your clock is moving closer to twelve o’clock because you are moving closer to the Warning, and the coming of the Antichrist into power. I keep telling you to prepare for My Warning by coming to Confession at least once a month, to keep your soul pure so you do not see your mini-judgment to hell. Not only is My Warning coming soon, but you are also seeing the other signs that I warned you about before the Antichrist declares himself. You are seeing farmers finding it hard to grow crops with bad weather conditions that are leading up to a world famine. You are seeing potential signs of a division in My Church between a schismatic church and My faithful remnant. The schismatic church will teach New Age teachings and that the sexual sins are no longer mortal sins. You are also seeing signs for a coming martial law in a potential crash of your dollar, a pandemic virus like ebola that could be transmitted through the air, and potential ISIS terrorists that could kill people in America. Another sign is the coming mandatory microchip in the body that will be demanded by your new health care law. With all of these signs at the door, you can easily see that your country is about to be taken over, and the Antichrist will soon come into power. Trust in Me because I will protect you from the evil ones, and I will provide for your needs.”

Thursday, October 16,2014: (St. Margaret Mary Alacoque-Sacred Heart)
God the Father said: “I AM WHO AM, and I am happy to greet My pilgrims on their journey of life to follow Me and My Ten Commandments. I want to address My prophets and messengers, so they will go forward and proclaim My Word. You are living in an age of confusion that is caused by the devil. I gave Moses My Ten Commandments of love of God and love of neighbor. You know that it is against My Fifth Commandment to kill the unborn or others. You also know in My Sixth Commandment that it is a mortal sin to commit fornication, adultery, or homosexual acts. Some people are implying doubt in My laws, but they are not to be changed or modified for a better hearing. My prophets need to speak out in defense of My laws, because those, who want to change My laws, are heretics, and they should not be followed. Give glory and praise to Me as I watch over My people. I will forgive all repentant sinners, but woe to those who try to mislead My faithful, because they are walking on a path to My judgment to hell. I love all of you, but you need to love Me, and obey My Commandments in order to enter heaven.”

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The the reader discern. This is message given by heaven to visionary John Leary. John Leary has a Catholic bishop as his spiritual director who reviews his messages before they are published. Many of John Leary messages have come to pass.

Elampiro, Is this the Church's teaching on homosexuality? Another message from a "prophet". Did the scripture not say they will abound in the end times..Lk 17:23? Please tell me the Church's teaching on homosexuality, the church's teachings and laws are clear and documented.

elampiro:

You are an illiterate and an ignoramus. Canon law enables one to believe the Pope is the False Prophet. If a Pope was heretic before he was elected, he is an antiPope. And there are evidenxces that Francis was heretic in his support for civil gay union in Argentina.

You don't need a priest to tell you this.

In case you don't know, my spiritual director is a priest of high standing. I also have other priests friends.

Many priests world over are criticizing Pope Francis in published articles in their pages and papers.

It's now that I know you need a psychiatric more than a spiritual director. You have a spiritual director of high standing, who uses the name of Pope Francis every day at Mass, and whose continued union with the church is based on his remaining in Union with his bishop and obedient to the Pope, yet you say the Pope is a heretic? You do need a psychiatric more than a priest, I tell you.

elampiro:
You are now confused and disillusioned.

I have told you the church teaching, yet you keep asking useless and senseless questions.

Elampiro, What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? how is it difficult now to say what the church teaches on it and where to find it? See all the aspersions cast on the Pope, yet you don't even know the teaching you accuse him of "trying to change" or even destroying.

elampiro:
You are now confused.

Instead of answering my question, he attacks my person. I am here to expose lies, isn't that what I said? Now It's getting clearer.

Davik01:
what will u do if pope decides to welcome gay marriage?

He cannot.

elampiro:
You are the liar because you defend falsity. Were you not the ones defending the document proposing welcoming gays and cohabitation? And communion for the divorce. So if the church teaches falsity you welcome it. A chronic liar like you.

Another Lie! Please quote where I defended the "document welcoming gays and cohabitation, and communion for the divorced" as you claim? I am waiting.

elampiro:

You are disgracing yourself. Dont you have a bible or the teaching you want to quote? I have told you what the church teaching is. If you have anything else quote it and let's debate it.

hahahaha, I am not obliged to teach you, you are the haughty one, making claims anyhow. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality?

elampiro:
God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His teachings are timeless and ageless.

The world 'afraid', should not be used in association with God.

You just type the first thing that comes to your mind, irrespective of its relevance to the post you're quoting. Did you answer my question?

Syncan:
"God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways,"
Is this a lie? Is it not true of "no need for circumcision for gentiles", Sunday as the Lord's day, etc. Is God afraid of new things?

elampiro:
You are the liar because you defend lies and outright falsity.

Pope Francis has already invited criticism by his calling bishops and priests not to preach against homosexuality and abortion.

* Parish priest? lol. You don't know anything. I have a spiritual director. Also I read what many Cardinals write and say. I have read many lives of saints and so much of church history.

Hahahaha, You have a spiritual director who is not a parish priest, One who support these lies of yours, and does not use the name of Pope Francis at mass. hahahaha I laugh again. Lies Lies Lies.

elampiro:
The church teaching that homosexuality is a disorder. The church condemns homosexuality (gay act). You cannot know more than Cardinal Burke- the custodian of church teachings.

Please stop disgracing yourself. What is the church teaching on homosexuality? Quote me the Church teaching on homosexuality or link to it.

elampiro:
You want to tell us again that Pope Francis did not grant that interview. I always defend. Last year you were reinterpreting his interviews published even in Vatican website. I thought the Pope words ought to stand on their own. lol

Last Sunday he said 'God is not afraid of new things'. Are you going to deny this?

Any way let me leave you jor. Next time don't defend falsity. Thanks God for our brave Cardinals.

"God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways,"

Is this a lie? Is it not true of "no need for circumcision for gentiles", Sunday as the Lord's day, etc. Is God afraid of new things?

elampiro:
I can never listen to any Pope (Francis) telling the bishops to stop preaching about homosexuality and abortion. I can't listen to a Pope who clearly wants to change the teachings of the church. I can't listen to a Pope who refused to condemn sin.

Pope Francis in his 18 months rule has never condemned homosexuality. Instead he clearly wants to change the church teaching on it.

Are you a bishop? Even though you lie, but Just listen to your parish Priest, Pope Francis is not your chaplain. Look at your accusation...he wants to change...Smh.

elampiro:
You should know that was John Paul II.

I refuse to know your lies. I will not join in analyzing John Paull II like you do.

elampiro:

This is why I said you are an illiterate. Pope Francis said in an interview just before the Synod that the world should not expect any changes in this Synod. That this was an initial push (for his agenda).

Pope francis said...., somebody said pope francis said...all grapevine news and hear say. I gave Pope francis Speech at the close of the synod, authentic, official. yet you refuse to see anything there...too blinded to see i fear....but you hold on to he said in one interview, and he said in a telephone conversation....you're long gone.

elampiro:
The church is against homosexuality. The bible is against homosexuality. I don't know which church you attend. Are you an homo? What is you interest in this?

Elampiro. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? My interest is to expose lies and let the truth be known.

elampiro:
You have nothing to say.

Pope Benedict ruled for 25 years, I did not hear any controversial issue on morals. Benedict did not set Cardinals against Cardinals, he always clarified any prior ambiguity. Francis has only ruled for 18 months and he is already on record to be the worst Pope in the church's history.

Your lies are becoming embarrassing.

Syncan:
At this point I will ask you to quote the Church teaching on homosexuality.

elampiro:
The church did not say people can join the church and keep practicing their gayism. The Cardinals reiterated this, and even Cardinal Burke the head of Canon Law court, said what those manipulating the Synod (Francis, Kasper and cohort) prop0sed are against the church teachings.


Use your brain man. If the church teaching welcomed gay act, why is their a Synod to re welcome it? Mr. Man, the church is against homosexual acts 100%.

bla bla bla... What is the Church teaching on homosexuality?