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"Many are not trusting the Church any longer; people trust the first profane prophet who comes to talk to us from some NEWSPAPER or from some REVOLUTIONARY SOCIAL MOVEMENT so that we may run after him to ask him if he has the formula (the answer) to true life"---Pope Paul VI


Prophetic words...Elampiro take note.

italo:
Which day una go pray for me?

Good morning, friends.

Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations----Deuteronomy 7:9


As we come together in prayers for you, may you experience in leaps and bound the faithfulness of our God.

shizzle11:
Dear salC, 21st will do for me, thanks

Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for
I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help
you, I will uphold you with my righteous right
hand----Isaiah 41:10


As you strive to do God's will, go with confidence today as we unite in prayers for you, He that we serve makes you majority.

SalC:
^^^^

The laugh nearly choke me.

vest:
@Uben Is Ur Name Kenneth Usulor?

Ubenedictus this kweshion is for you

Ubenedictus:
i'll take 20th.

"Do not fear , for I have redeemed you ; I have
summoned you by name; you are mine ---Isaiah 43:1

Today we unite in prayer for you, may the Lord guard you Jealously and attend to your heart desires.

lacum:
Brothers and sisters pls pray for me that God will assist me to secure a good job. Dis is my 4th yr after school without somthing to help me start a meaningful life. Pls i really need ur prayers. If there is also anybody who is willing to be used by God to assist me in this group, i am ready to speak with d person on phone. Tks

"Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit"--- Leviticus 26:4


As we unite in prayers for you today, relax and know that He is the Lord. In due season blessings shall rain.

Rich4god:
@ btoks, salc n syncan... Thanks alot... Am cleared... But, based on the points syncan raised as reasons for annullin a marriage, i didnt see infidelity there... Doesnt it mean that infidelity isnt a reason for annuling a marriage...

Bro, Infidelity does not nullify a valid marriage, infact nothing but death separates."whatever God has joined together let no man separate", so even if you find your spouse has become like hosea's wife, you cannot divorce her(cross don come be that).

When the church annulls, it means the church is saying that the marriage should not have taken place, a valid marriage is never annulled. Remember, what God has joined....

Rich4god:
Good... Thats just what I wanted to hear... But, there are some couple who have been successfully divorced by the church... And one of the couple remarried in the church. How do you explain this...

Dear brother, the Church did not receive the command to divorce. When you mention divorce, it means there was a valid marriage in the first place. When there is a valid marriage, the church hands off, that's what Ubenedictus is saying by church not having a divorce process. Sometimes, there are some marriages that are faulty, such as blood relations, hidden impotency, hidden insanity, marriage by force et.c. These things are called impediments to marriage, when one or both parties discovers the existence of any of these, and makes it known to the church, the tribunal investigates, if true, the marriage is said to be invalid in the first place and declared annulled. This is what you call divrce, but there wasn't a valid marriage in the first place. btoks said as much.

titoetal:
You are welcome dear. Am seeking to pick 18th October for this blessed family to remember me in prayer if that date is open. Thanks for your wonderful care.

But they who wait for the LORD shall renew their strength;
they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint-----Isaiah 40:31


Today we unite in prayers for you, May your steps be strengthened by the mighty presence of God.

vest:
Gud Evenin House!

Let Me Choose 17th For Mine

God Bless U All

And your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, “This is the way, walk in it,” when you turn to the right or when you turn to the left---Isaiah 30:21

Today as we unite in prayers for you, May His light guide your path always.

elampiro:
I have used scriptures to support my arguments. So what's the qualms about?

You on your part is placing CCC above scripture and tradition..

What argument did you use scripture to support?
Cathecism of the Catholic Church (CCC) is completely drenched in scripture and tradition. You are not a catholic if you don't know this, you are just a maria divine mercy follower.

elampiro:
I won't incur any wrath, don't threaten me. If they support my argument or if there is any reason to invoke them, then it's cool. It's religion and catholicism we are discussing.

Oga, no one is threatening you, I just made a suggestion based on the rules on NL to post on topic. I really don't mind wherever you decide to post it as long as the OP does not complain, no wahala.

elampiro:
The Cardinals, bishops and priests who are complaining don't even know of Maria Divine Mercy. What is wrong is wrong. Take truth to the end of the world, it won't change. Divine Mercy devotion is a good example of truth that cannot be killed or buried.

How does this respond to my post You just have a lot of bitterness in you that you're eager to release. Well, let's hear it.

IFY124:
I choose 16th. Cc Salc

The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your---Deut 28:4


As we unite in prayers for you today, blessings of the Lord shall follow you and not depart.

elampiro:
There is no harm in pasting them here.

If you want to see contradiction even in the bible you would see. Ok?

You need to post on topic or you will incure the wrath of the mods, that's why I said to open a thread.

Now you are placing maria divine mercy messages and scripture as mates, ok na.

elampiro:
Why do you read locutions? You are contradicting yourself.

Nostrademus despite being centuries old was not approved by the church. I didn't even live them.

Now, I have read all the approved messages and I hear God talk to me through them and the recent messages. And the prophecies are coming true (happening).

I read the locutions because it contains inspiring and edifying messages, any day I start to see flip flops like those of maria divine mercy I will bail. I am not like you that MDM messages has replaced the scripture and church teachings for.

elampiro:
The messages of Maria Divine Mercy speak for themselves. If you want to believe what people write on blog to try and discredit them, that's your personal stuff. There are countless counter articles too validating them in line with church teachings, tradition and scripture.

As I said, I don't debate messages. I can only paste some of them here and let the readers here discern for themselves.

You can open a thread to start pasting them, I will likely visit to paste the contradictions too.

elampiro:
Read the entire message.

I don't debate messages. That message speak for itself.

Flip flops speaking for itself abi? God does not contradict itself. Many have prophecied in the past, they had followers yet were not of God. You should read and follow nostrademus too.

elampiro:
I knew this was the reason you followed locution. Lol

I did not tell you I believe in locution, I only pointed to you what your beloved locution said about Pope Francis recently.

I believe in Maria's messages.

You see, you pick and choose which one to believe, why did you chose mdm over locutions? I do not want to go into the contradictions of maria divine mercy, all that anyone need to do is type " contradictions of maria divine mercy" in google and voila.

elampiro:
9. (Special Locution)

Apr

14

The Modern Events  

Jesus

Pope Francis wants only blessings for the Church, and desires to make the Church a place where everyone is welcome.  He wants to study the needs of the Church and has begun this process by calling a Synod, which will face the issues of family life.

There will be three stages.  First, the time leading up to the Synod.  Second, the Synod itself and third, the Church after the Synod.  The Synod will be a watershed.  The desire to accommodate and to be open will come at a high price.  People will speak up.  Some guided by heaven and others guided by hell.

Before the Synod, survey results will be revealed by those who want to influence the outcome.  At the Synod itself, some bishops will say things that will break with traditional morality.  Others will make suggestions that cannot be followed.  All of that will lead to the time after the Synod.

Some, to the far right, will have difficulty in accepting the tone of the Synod.  The vast majority of Catholics will wonder what took place and just what was determined.  There is a third group which has advocated serious changes in the Church’s teachings concerning family life issues.  They will see the Synod as the vindication, at long last, of their positions (even though this was not explicitly said).

After the Synod, the Church will be known as the Church of Pope Francis.  More than anything else, the Synod will put its stamp on this pontificate, just as Vatican II did for Pope John XXIII.

The Church, however, will not be ready for the fierce battles that lie ahead.  It will not be a Church formed by the Woman Clothed With the Sun, nor will it be able to confront the great forces that are shaping the world.  The Church of Pope Francis will not be ready.  It will be a popular, accepting and open Church but will not be ready for the future events.

http://www.locutions.org/2014/04/9-special-locution/


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* I see this as a polite way of telling you guys who Pope Francis is.

* We know too the side Pope Francis is between the two forces in the Synod.

Did you take a look at the bold? What is wrong with that for a Pope? More so I see "Jesus" is calling him Pope Francis, did you take note of that? So was the advice to us to disown our Pope like you and run? Or to continuosly pray that good may triumph over evil.

elampiro:
I will get that locution message for you soon. When I have time.

I de here.

elampiro:
Now you are changing again. Did I say locution call Pope Francis Anntichrist? Even Maria messages did not call him Antichrist. The Maria messages said severally and emphatically since 2010 that Pope Benedict would not die on the throne but will quit (forced to quit from fores behind the scene) and that the False Prophet (the second beast of revelation) will take over. The first beast who is the Antichrist will come afterwards after the False prophet has cunningly dismantled the church over a period. When Pope Francis was elected the messages confirmed him to be the cunning impostor who will 'maradona' virtually everyone, according to the scriptures even the elect. So, don't put words into my mouth.

Your beloeved Locutions menages said Pope Francis church will not be ready for the world events.

Let me make clear some things here, since you've started your usual butterfly movement.

* I brought up the locution in argument previously to show you the confusion you can get into by following unapproved messages like your life depends on it.

* While maria divine mercy calls Pope Francis a false prophet, and says benedict was forced to resign, the locution actually said contrary, as a matter of fact the locution says benedict obeyed the promptings of the Holy Spirit in his heart to leave the stage for one who is in a better position to lead the church through this period.

* Do you see the contradictions?

Now I ask you elampiro, who is the representative of Peter in the church now, who is the pope of the catholic church as ordained by God?

elampiro:
One after the other. I thought you were defending the locution messages because they praised Pope Francis. Are you backing out now? Lol

* We will come to homosexuality later today. May be tonight. We are losing man hour...

It is you who is bringing in different things at a time, now you are shouting one after the other, you have not shown me where the locutions called Pope Francis antichrist, I am still waiting.

elampiro:
*You cannot tell me to keep away from Maria messages. Even the Vatican once banned Divine Mercy devotion and they ended up being wrong. Even Fatima, the bishop doubted. I can go on endlessly. I old you I read others not only Maria messages.

* I reiterate that even as mild and kind the locutions messages have been to Francis, it has given a message that the church of Francis after the Synod will not be ready for the world and will not be formed after 'The Woman Clotted In The Sun'.

* You said I should read scripture. Is homosexuality consistent with scripture? No.
I saw that message, even though I am not all for the locutions.

Do you know how many have been led astray by false prophecy? The way I see it, the number is about to increase by one. Tell me the passages you are reading with respect to homosexuality in the scriptures?

elampiro:
* Stop twisting things. That prophecy was given in 1846. We are talking about deviating from tradition.

........

Our Lady at La Salette said on September 19, 1846, "Rome would lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist . . .  The Church will be in eclipse."

Oh yeah, me twisting things because am referring you to scriptures. Whatever the date of the message bro, it must be consistent with scriptures. If you call Francis antichrist because he supposedly does not stand up at a time of deliberation for what is right, then same must be applied to St. Peter.

elampiro:
Take what you want to take.

Any good Catholic knows what these prophecies are talking about. A dividing line is being drawn. Everyone has to choose between accepting truth or lie. Truth is something that can never be killed.

Enough said. It's a matter of choice.

Sedes vacantist! I guess you've stopped attending mass. If you still do, remember it is Pope Francis name that is still called there.

elampiro:
The other time we had a similar debate, some of you said you believe the messages of locutions. Even that messages has stated what to expect of Pope Francis and the Church after the Synod. So it's not only Maria Divine Mercy.

Lie. The locutions has never been in sync with your hatred or disrespect for the Pope. Quote me the message. Keep away from maria divine mercy, read scriptures instead, read lives of the saints, practice love of God and neighbours and pray for the Pope and leaders of the church.

elampiro:
Our Lady at La Salette said on September 19, 1846, "Rome would lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist . . .  The Church will be in eclipse."

Our Lord asks that when he comes back will he find any Faith at all? (Luke 18:

Pope Felix III said: "Not to oppose error, is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them."[1]

Pope Leo I said: "He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it. testifies himself to he in error."[2]

Pope St. Pius V said: "All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics."[3]

Pope St. Pius X said: "All the strength of Satan's reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics."[4]

St. Augustine said: "Medicinal rebuke must be applied to all who sin, lest they should either themselves perish, or be the ruin of others . . .  Let no one, therefore, say that a man must not be rebuked when he deviates from the right way, or that his return and perseverance must only be asked from the Lord for him."[5]

St. Catherine of Siena said: "We've had enough of exhortations to be silent!  Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues.  I see that the world is rotten because of silence."[6]
http://www.the-pope.com/dimond.html

So St. Peter must have excommunicated himself when he did not stand up for uncircumcised gentiles.

elampiro:
The Cardinals have flawed this document in relation to the CCC you are talking about.

The document you refer to is not an official release from pope francis, the cardinals are right. So what's your point? I hope you are not blinded by your hatred of the pope to learn more things about your church.

elampiro:
Pray for the Pope at the time. But the message about end time is still relevant. Link it with LaSalette and judge for yourself.

You see the bold, na you put am. Stop adding and subtracting at will. You adulterate the message and confuse yourself.

elampiro:
John Leary, Pegro and more are saying same thing. Are they invincible?

Did Lasallete not say Rome will lose its faith.......?

Syncan is not saying same thing, why don't you believe mine? When it talks of Rome losing faith, who told you it was the church?

elampiro:
When a Pope is refusing to do what is right he automatically is excommunicating himself. That's Canon law for you. His interviews, even this month, are a disaster. I have never seen a Pope refusing to defend the faith. He is being cunning and he equivocates in his sermons.

That is for you, truth is that every one is sitting up now, bishops, priests, lay are all reading the CCC now to understand more, things that were taken for granted are re-examined, before his Papacy, I didn't know the CCC treated on homosexuals...even in a kind language.