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alexleo: Ohhh you are even checking how many likes you get? I didn't notice you have 7 likes. Oya clap for yourself.

hahahaha what manner of man is this . You claimed people appreciated your post, while mine was "nonsensical", then i decided to check the truthfulness of your claim, then i found out seven people appreciated mine enough to like it, and none liked yours . Now you want to make me ask the name for such a claim.

Gombs: Bros, form the bold, whatsoever happened to Jesus, the same yesterday, today and forever? Do your Holy Spirit change?

All Hagin, Kenyon etc taught in ages past were consistent with the scriptures, today... and will be, ALWAYS.

And as for the enlarged... Peter was saying in his 2nd letter chapter 1 verse 21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

How did you arrive at "Yet we are doing it to the best of OUR KNOWLEDGE now. "

If you ask me, na who I go ask?

alexleo: On this issue of medication, the church based its stand on James 5:14. Of a truth, many have experienced healing of various sicknesses through prayers without medication(including myself and family members) over the years. Many have had similar sicknesses and even worse ones than yours and they got healed through this means. Also there are some who had similar cases as yours and even less cases than yours and they went to hospital and still died after several efforts to restore them. So its not as if there is any of the medium that has recorded zero death in its history. However a few years ago some of us started seeing other places in the bible that shows that God can heal us through any means contrary to the one rigid means we were made to follow. Some of the present crop of leaders also have a liberal approach now to this issue so it is no more an offence for a member to take medications. However some oldies are seeing it as end time things (lol ) and they ve refused to join us. My parents have been in this church for almost sixty years now without taking medidcation and God has been healing them in time of sickness. They are old now yet stronger than some youngies and look younger than their ages. Iin 2012 my dad was terribly sick that we thought all hope was lost, there was nothing we didn't do to convince him to take medication but he refused and the church kept praying for him and he was totally healed. Today if you see him walking briskly and travelling here and there you won't believe this was the same man that was near death 2 years ago. There are a lot of them like that too in the church.
In recent years when some of us began travelling overseas we now discovered that the headquarter church in the U.S. never said people shouldn't take medication rather the baba(Oshokoya) that brought the church to naija in the 1930s had to place that ban because what was in vogue in those days was babalawo. This was my own findings and some others too. Well like I said, no church is perfect, no individual is perfect, we keep perfecting as we study the scripture more and more with the help of the Holy Spirit. For me I know these old leaders did whatever they did to the best of their understanding of the scripture at their time and I don't blame them. There are things we are doing now that the generations following us will see in their time and consider it foolish or inappropriate. Yet we are doing it to the best of our knowledge now. There are some of your new discoveries/ideologies now that you ll look back in some years to come and pick a lot of holes in them. Such is life. The room for improvement is the largest room in the world. It cannot be fully saturated. Thanks frosbel.

bla bla bla bla bla, just take a look at the bold and tell me what gives you the audacity to flay anybody for his belief, when even the one you believe today can be truncated by the future Apostolic generation and they will be right, and you wrong. It seems the holy spirit in your church is not the one that say a truth that lasts for eternity, but the one that lasts for a while. Meanwhile that drug issue was the main bone of contention in the birth of CAC. Don't play it down sir, its a big deal.

alexleo: To some persons, its an honest presentation that I made and to you its hypocritical just as yours is nonsensical and worthless to me.

Haba na . I wasn't the one that gave it the name "Hypocrisy" which it truly is, more so, going by the only evidence before us, I got 7 likes and still counting on that post of mine, you got none on yours, what then informs this bogus claim of yours? Now that I've told you, you can go get your Yard church people to like your post

alexleo: I'm not arguing with you too. Yet I have the right to make an input where I find neccessary since my church is among the ones he mentioned. As you can see I'm not making blind argument and worthless defence as you people do whenever your Roman Catholic church is being criticized. By now you people would ve rained countless abuses on the OP but you can see the difference is clear here. I made it plain from the begining that what I'm giving is an update (because its been long he left the church)but because I ve always had issues with some practices in your RCC that's why you are picking on my post, and even doing it wrongly too. You said you are protecting frosbel's thread whereas frosbel made it clear at the begining that he reserved the front page for his story while we can now respond in the other pages yet people like you will turn a blind eye to such info. Again he has finished his story on my church and moved to the next church before I responded. Now the question is- why are you crying more than the bereaved? I'm yet to understand why a stranger is weeping and wailing more than the bereaved. Continue with your wailing if it gives you peace.

hahahahaha. Yes you have a right to make an imput no doubt, just as I have the right to take you up on it. Surely you don't make blind arguments and worthless defense, you only make hypocritical ones. Its a fact that the Catholic church is the most attacked on NL, many can attest to it even if your hypocrisy wont allow you. So if i take you up on any aspect of your post, it is on its merit alone, and not on any bloated importance you attach to your opinion, who cares about that. Protecting frosbel's thread does not mean you shouldn't respond, but your responses has evoked my reaction because of its hypocritical content, which wanted to sour the story for me. I am waiting for you to wriggle yourself out of the drug ish on your church. We know who is wailing.

alexleo: You quoted that I supported someone's reply to frosbel and used it to codemn my post. When I now explained to you and mentioned names you said I'm looking for people who will support me. I don't even understand how you people see this forum. A money making forum or what? If people support me how much will it drop in my bank account? Na wa for una.
I still maintain that no church- Roman Catholic, Apostolic Faith, Deeper Life, RCCG, Winners etc, is perfect. I don't need to argue this with you. That's what I said so na u sabi wetin you understand about my statement. I don't need to argue this with you.

Hahaha, typical clutching on straw instead of facing fact. Now you maintain an opinion/belief in the face strong contradiction, yet you flay another for having his own. Again check out the name for that in one of the posts with the biggest fonts earlier on in this thread.

Am not arguing with you, just making sure Frosbel's thread remains his own, unsullied by pontificating from a shaky foundation, till he finishes his story. I find much entertainment in it.

Gombs: I don't quite agree with the bind term u used, but, leaders are assigned by God to watch over His flock....do's and don't are very relevant, eg how marriages should be in a church like Christ Embassy might not be so in the Anglican communion, so with Catholics.

But a quick quiz bro, does the Church of God practice democracy or should they practice democracy?

I was gonna take on that, but you got it covered. True freedom comes from knowing and obeying the truth Jn 8:32, all that is needed is "is it the truth of what God needs from us?" It matters not if it is a cross to our flesh, carry it, that's where true joy and freedom repose.

Gombs: Me too o....they making me think I am dyslexic

Chai...there is God o.

Edited.

ayoku777: Lol

I can relate too. Almost every christian who got born again around the 80s and 90s believed and practised this style of christianity to one degree or the other, for a while.

Mine was even worse, you didn't even need to perm your hair to be a sinner, you only needed to be beautiful. To me, every beautiful girl was a queen of the coast -whatever that means.

I remember one day in secondary school when I trekked the very long distance back home from school. I refused to take our school bus home coz they were playing a "worldly song" in the bus. Guess the song? I believe I can fly by R. Kelly. Lol, it was that bad.

But I must also admit, after God delivered me from that form of extreme legalism, I drifted to the other extreme -extreme liberalism.

I practised licentious grace for a while as well. I believed that no matter what you do wrong, God doesn't see it, coz you're robed in Christ's righteousness. That was another reckless phase of my christian walk.

Some of my old friends who knew my strict "holiness" in secondary school will try to talk to me, but I wouldn't listen. And they could not out-debate me, coz I knew the word -or should I say the letter.

Until I came under strong conviction and true repentance by the Holy Spirit.

With hind-sight now, I can say both extremes were wrong and don't truly or fully represent Christ or His gospel truth. Truth is usually (not always) found somewhere in between two doctrinal extremes.

My experience with God and His people have humbled me. That's why now I love to listen to other believers, even ones who disagree with me. Coz I now realise that even though they may not have THE TRUTH, they may have A TRUTH. And even though they may not make me cross over to their own extreme, they may deliver me from my own extreme.

Exactly why the Master Instituted a church as a perfect guide for us, it is not the pastors, nor the written word; that was called the foundation of truth, no, it was the Church...the "pillar and ground of truth" 1tim 3:15. From extreme to extreme...even now...you may still move, nothing is assured.

SalC: There's nothing to defend here, you guys think Frosbel is wrong for saying he is evolving or is it his thought that is evolving sef which ever one it is. Yet right after that you talked about your church evolving.
If a whole church can evolve why not an individual

Lol, I think you also "did not read and understand very well" like me.

alexleo: You didn't read and understand what DrummaBoy wrote very well. You ve also not been following frosbel's thread of recent so you can't understand why I commended Dboy. May be you need to go and do a proper follow up of what I mentioned here for u to understand. And you said I'm defending the church? Pls go and read my reply to frosbel again. If you ve been following my posts in this forum you ll know that I ve always believed that no church is perfect and that has been my issue with you people when you claim that Roman Catholic is perfect. I ve also departed from church praising long ago( of course I learnt that from frosbel even tho he is singing some strange songs now). I still commend DrummaBoy and Tgirl4real for speaking out. That's how to be a good friend. When you see your friend acting strangely you speak out. There are other friends of Frosbel who can't speak out even if they find his action strange. That's not it. Mind you I'm also his friend and I commend or condemn his actions as the case may be. Cheers.

Hahaha, it seems this thread was opened for comedy. Now I do not comprehend "very well", what is plain to all eyes here. Stop inviting others to come to your aid, Unlike you, I believe there is a perfect Church, for the Church is the mystical body of Christ, this must be perfect. If the catholic church is not perfect, then the body of Christ isn't, for the catholic Church is the mystical body of Christ, Instituted by him on the Pentecost, as he promised to do in Matt 16 :17-19. Do not confuse the perfection of the church instituted by Christ with the flaws of her members, it is not the members that make the church Holy but her Union with Christ. Her members though described as "Saints" are only called to strive towards perfection.

However, we are not dealing with this now, just pointing out your quickness to defend your church, which you know is not perfect, yet whose teachings you stand on to judge the beliefs of frosbel others. Cheers.

SalC: How many years ban does modifying someone's post attract . Enjoy your day Oga,

Thank God some no be mod o, i for don...

SalC: The brother, breaking the dabar since 1672 . Nice one for our morning safari, God bless you plenty

Fixed.

Salc looking for trouble since before the tsunami on NL, God bless you too, but hie aka abuo n'anya.

debbie: thank you my brother and good morning or rather i boola chi

Ehye Nne. Good morning.

SalC: “I removed the burden from their shoulders; their hands were set free from the basket In your distress you called and I rescued you, I answered you out of a thundercloud; I tested you at the waters of Meribah. Ps 81:6-7

Good morning brethren and do have a blessed day ahead

Good morning. Same to you too.

jnrbayano: Masterpiece!

Thanks dear bro. To God be the glory. Hope you are refreshed from yesterday's stress.

woky: nwanne the thing tire me.. I pray it end soon.. Na pple dy die no be animals..

Good morning

Good morning bro. Indeed, so we pray.

Jesus replied, ‘Simon son of Jonah, you are a happy man! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven. So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in heaven. Matt 16:17-19.

How firmly do we believe in the Master's words? Consider carefully the lines above, is there any part you doubt? Many have tried to circumvent these words, claiming all sorts of things, yet those words still reverberate in authority. The keys of the Kingdom of heaven resides here on earth in the hands of men. Peter never needed to be a saint to have this elevation, as a matter of fact, he failed almost immediately... for a while after, Jesus had to say : " Get thee behind me...for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men". However, Peter's willingness to shoulder this responsibility became an edification to both himself and the flock. We, my beloved brethren, are called to spread the good news, albeit, by our words and actions. Often times we feel unworthy of this call, we shirk our responsibility to point out the way to one who is lost, because we feel we are not going the right way too. We hide behind "don't judge", to keep silent in the face of wrong doing. No one calls you to sainthood before you answer to this calling, for in your answer to this calling also lies the grace you need. When the truth go out, It edifies both the bearer and the hearer, when we restrain from speaking out; we give excuses and often times believe them to the detriment of ourselves and our neighbors.

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

alexleo: You are right but that was an individual assumption among old members in those days when we were still growing up but in this our time, people of our generation have done away with such nonsense believe. (Tho its still very annoying when we hear some oldies make such statements in our time). Well, we can't do much to change them totally at this time of their lives since that is the mentality they ve had for decades now. Honestly it annoys me when they say it. It was a hectic task before I could get my parents to do away with such wrong notion.


I don't know how true this is but I don't see anything wrong in Kumuyi trying to follow peace with all men(as the scripture instructed) by reaching out to a church he was part of before, especially if they had some frictions before he left. I think there was a time in the scripture that paul had to reconcile with an apostle or so. But I can tell you that the Apostolic Faith has a good relationship with Kumuyi.


This is just perculiar to the church in Nigeria. I think it just has to do with how they want church workers to appear. They just want a clean shave. They are not saying its a sin if you don't shave.

Let me state that most of the things you wrote about the church is perculiar to Nigeria branch and some west african countries too. The oyibo men that started the church are not as rigid as us here. Some other things you wrote are perculiar to our ibadan branch which is one of the most rigid branch. Some branches are much freer than the others depending on the level of exposure of their various leaders.
I ll respond to the other issues you raised in my next post. Thanks.

Hmmm, You praised Drummaboy for raising concern that frosbel's thought was "evolving" and not "rooted", yet you come to the defense of a whole church by playing the "evolving" card. I think there's a name for such behaviour, can someone remind me please?


Anyway, make frosbel finish first.

SalC: Much clearer now. Sometimes I wonder if I understood that verse well. Someone was using that verse few days ago to insist that Jesus meant believers will not die physically. ( And this is the belief of his entire church)

I had to ask him some questions he's yet to answer.

People have said or taught worse things.

debbie: Been awhile now.......thank God i am fully fit to use my e-ink and to see you my people
I know i have missed alot and trying to read through the over 30 pages



how is everybody doing?

Welcome back antie debbie. We de kampe.

SalC: Thanks for this...

Now if this is about eternal death, what then does V25 which says even though they are dead,they will live talking about? Does it mean one who believe in Christ can die but then live again? I mean eternal death?.

Look at it this way.

Vs 25 "...he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

Those who believed in me, but who are gone before you in death, shall have eternal life which faith in me gives.

Vs 26 "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die..."

And those of you still alive here and do believe in me shall never suffer eternal damnation.

SalC: Another good one from the bro.

A reminder and encouragement.

Fixed.

Thanks.

Bia, be kiafool.

SalC: May your E-ink never run dry

Thanks Sis, Nne nnoo, howdy?

damerry: I'm Done with bacca bacca exams for life . I Thank God for His numerous graces and for the companionship of his saints. Thanks to all who prayed for me.

With thanksgivings and utmost confidence, i await an excellent result.

Merry is back.

Welcome back bro, Congrats on concluding that task.

May He establish the works of thy hands... Ps 90:17

"Then Peter spoke to Jesus. ‘Lord,’ he said ‘it is wonderful for us to be here" Matt. 17:4


It is not often that I feel like peter, in the presence of the transfigured Lord. Many times I am more like Peter of Lk 5:8, at some other times I am even too distracted with cares and concerns of this world to know how I feel. Yet I long, I long for such times, when I am at peace with God, truly in my heart, when I experience the sweet consoling presence of Divinity, when I want to sing continuously; hymns of love and praise in worship, when I do not feel like leaving the presence of the exposed Eucharist...nay, even the one enclosed in the tabernacle...It doesn't matter at this point. I know, yes I know, that it is a gift from God at such times, but one thing I've noticed is this, that such happens to me, only on some of those occasions when I am confident that I am in a state of grace. Oh how unhappy one is; not to have tasted this feeling..., with what nostalgia one looks back to it; when it's been long one felt it..., how eagerly one looks forward to the sacrament of reconciliation; when one hopes to get it..., how jealously one guards his heart from sin; when one does not want to lose the experience. It is indeed "wonderful for us to here"...in your presence.

On another hand, When last did you see a procession of Bishops, with or without the Pope? When last did you watch a documentary of the catholic church in lives of the saints, apparitions of our lady, miracles of the Eucharist, Canonization of a saint etc? Indeed when last did you participate in any thing Catholic and felt proud to have received the grace of membership, determined to guard this gift with your life. This is a call for us to free ourselves of unnecessary luggage, that "the morning star may rise in our hearts" 2Pet 1:19. It is indeed a nice feeling when one is able in his heart to echo the words of peter... " It is wonderful for us to be here".

Good morning dear brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

frosbel: Part 4


I was in my 300 level year when I was suddenly introduced to Deeperlife. At this time I was not what you would call a church member because I had no church. Apostolic Faith church brethren were surprised at the sudden turn around of my faith, brethren who I thought were very close to me shunned me including the sister that I was very close to. There was this funny event that happened , I had just finished a nice meal from the cafeteria at SUB ( in those days the food was good ) with the Student Union General secretary who happened to be a close friend , when the Apostolic faith brother who introduced me to the church wanted to have a word about my leaving' them. Now , my student union friend was aware of all my past tribulations and was so angry he exploded into a rage and warned the brother to vamose and never ever come near his friend again. The brother quietly slipped away with his 'tail' between his legs and that was the end.


Any way the Semester started well with the usual lectures, my normal evening tennis , late evening debates on topics ranging from politics to religion ( usually in loud voices ) , cooking my favourite red stews ( with all the hangers on waiting to pounce on the food ) and just general activities as you would expect in the life of a student. But , one thing was lacking , I had no church affiliation. It was at this point that I met a deeper life brother who was on a routine evangelism tour of my hall. We discussed the gospel and I told him my story of the near death experience and disillusionment with church overall. He patiently explained where Apostolic faith went wrong , how Deeperlife was different and why medicine was equally important even though they do encourage faith to heal. I was impressed. An invitation to church followed and a new episode in my life started.

My first impression of Deeperlife was their seriousness, utter dedication and 'zeal' for God. They usually gave new comers a very warm welcome and encouraged them in their walk with God after taking a few personal details such as name, hall and room number. I remember the preaching was solid and solemn, we prayed afterwards and were refreshed by the fellowship. Weekly services were held on campus while Sunday services were held in town not very far from the UI Campus. In some cases we held fellowships (but mostly workers meetings) at the Deepelrife campus off site office , which I think was rented and maintained by both student and staff. At this point my zeal for the things of God reignited and the desire to preach Christ and him crucified became my slogan.

During this period I met a new friend who was a medical student and also born again but not into the Deeperlife faith. He was the liberal type of Christian and very funny. If you were the type that got scared at night your wouldn't want to listen to his testimonies at all as they were downright scary. He saw demons ( literally as he would say ) , the sky open and all sorts of strange happenings. These events happened not when he was in deep sleep but when he was wide awake. I noticed the worried look on the faces of the younger brethren ( from all church affiliations ) and the horror with which some perceived these strange encounters. Not everyone agreed it was from God while others did. This brother who I will call Mr. G for purposes of privacy became my BEST FRIEND and you could liken our relationship to that of David and Jonathan, yet he was not a member of Deeperlife. We had a third member in our friendship group who was equally close but far too reserved and quiet to get into all our mad spiritual experiences.


When my dad heard that I was now in Deeperlife he became the envy of active volcanoes as his temper tantrum exceeded their capacity to erupt violently. He was besides himself, imagine as he would say ' my son wanting to destroy the family faith and our reputation '. He declared 'Jihad' on my newly found faith and me of course. This 'Jihad' took the form of him kicking me out of his houses in the East and Lagos , starving me of funds and even threatening at one point to disinherit me. He came to campus and engaged a lecturer who also doubled as a catholic priest. This man talked sense into me but it went into one ear and came of the other.

At this point in time I was now fully brainwashed and ready to die for the faith. My dear father ( who I love so much ) became a distant relative and my church brethren became my immediate family. As I say this the regret causes me deep pain for all the years lost when my Dad could have enjoyed and been proud of his son in his youth. Deeperlife with my agreement robbed me from spending precious time with my family. To wrap up this paragraph, my dad told me a story which he learnt from a close friend ( not sure if it was true) . This friend of his , a Yoruba man said that before the Deeperlife Church at Gbada was built, some cows were sacrificed and buried in the ground. Then the church was built on top. I laughed this off as a fairly tale and lame attempt to discourage me.

to be continued.

Still following.

Kamsified: Nice piece from you bro
Thanks for sharing

Fixed. Thanks.

Bia, be careful.

frosbel: Part 3

( I have added a few bits to Part 2 this evening , so you may want to read the last 3 paragraphs ).

2 events happened that rocked my faith and led to my leaving the church within less than a year. You see when they talked about the evils of medicine at church and the need for faith to heal , as a young gullible fool that I was, I bought into this doctrine hook line and sinker. I remember my sister ( the one I was close to ) tell me time and time again that the snake logo for medicine was occultic and of the devil. This scared me no joke.

Example :

https://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/048/412/i02/medical-caduceus-02.jpg?1324346992

The first event happened in the library when I was preparing for my exams. I will admit that I swore at God for some problem I was going through at the time and for which there did not seem to be an immediate remedy. As I slept in the library after a few minutes of study , it suddenly felt like I was descending downwards through a black tunnel and being dragged forcefully by unseen hands. I desperately fought like a mad dog but was unable to overcome whatever this strange phenomenon was. Then I remembered to shout the name of Jesus and a few cries later I woke up with a jolt , sweating profusely and wondering why no one in the library heard my screams. I thanked God all the same but was severely shaken by that event.

The second event

I started the day as usual cleaning my room and helping with the house chores and forgot about the event. A few hours later I started to feel the early signs of malaria and as the hours progressed and became days I fell seriously ill. I called for the elders of the Apostolic Faith church to pray for me and they encouraged me in my faith not to take any medicine. Despite all their prayers and mine of course my sickness became worse till I stopped eating and was beginning to vomit green bile. This was almost a week after the illness started and still the church elders never once advised me to go to see a doctor or chemist.

My uncle heard about my situation and stubbornness in rejecting medicine and came to see me in a hurry ( my Dad was still in Lagos at this time ). By this time I was 80% dead, as thin as a skeleton and almost going into hallucination mode. After my uncle's pleas I agreed to go to hospital , he brought me some food which I ate and vomited almost immediately. When I got the the hospital my condition was so critical that they rushed me to the emergency section for immediate treatment. The doctor was shocked at what he saw and told my relatives that I would have had only a short time to live if they had not brought me that same day. I was given multiple injections and drip and wheeled into the ward were I was admitted for a week. My relatives who came to see me were distraught at my state and were even more worried because I could not talk but stare into space in a gaze like fashion.

When my Dad returned from his business trip and heard what happened, he went into a fit, tantrum, mad rant and was so angry he arranged to have the pastors arrested and swore to disown me forever ( of course he did not mean it ). In the hospital I could barely bring myself to read any apostolic faith magazines as it seemed that this was the poison that almost caused my death. After a week of release , I felt faintly better and was discharged back home to the joy of my beloved dad. I vowed never again to go back to Apostolic Faith and kept to my word. When I made this decision something strange happened, I saw a small fireball fall from the sky , it jolted me a little but that was about it.

Now was time to go back to campus as the holidays were over , I bade my dad good bye , collected my provisions and money and headed back to Lagos. From Lagos I went back to campus. This was the semester when I went from frying pan to fire, i.e from Apostolic Faith to Deeper Life.

Part 4 should be ready by 11pm tonight. If anything changes as per delay I will let you know.

Thanks.

Hmm, Interesting.

frosbel: PART 2

The first thing I noticed about the Apostolic Faith was how orderly they were in terms of organisation and how they cliqued together as family. As we entered the church I noticed how huge the interior was with thousands of people praying in various forms , from shouting, screaming, making repetitive prayers and sounds to stamping their feet and a host of similar body movements. I was utterly frightened and as a new comer it looked like confusion in a very strange way.

I remember we went for search the scriptures or something like that and it was wonderful and well explained, I truly enjoyed that part of the service. The best part was the choir, truly almost heavenly , they were well dressed and harmonious both in appearance and song. The instrumentals were perfect, voices superb and the message touching. After this part the reverend ( they call their pastors reverend I think ) came to preach. After he preached the word , we were all asked to rush forward to pray and we did so in the hundreds, praying on the benches, altar, screaming , shouting, crying and wailing about our unworthiness, asking for mercy , forgiveness, holiness, sanctification and praying for our family members that they will not be lost forever. It was always a sombre experience, never a time for Joy.

After church we were bused back to campus and that was it for a long time.

How I got Saved for real :

During this period I became very contemplative about God and the whole concept of church and salvation. Then it happened, not when I was in church, not when I was praying , but when I was outside my room gazing at the sky ( I mean it ) , something like a wind came over me and totally transformed me from inside out and I felt like a totally new person with a Joy I had never experienced ever and never have till today. I was literally set on fire and immediately craved the word of God, prayer and fellowship with the Apostolic Faith brethren. I was now a full church member and they were all ecstatic about it.

One thing I enjoyed about Apostolic faith church was the bus ride to evening service on Sunday, we sang lovely songs on our way and after the service were served in a lounge with well cooked food, I think this was was worth looking forward to . We also had weekly fellowships in Campus and other fellowships in the church ( I remember this vaguely ). The room fellowships which were held weekly in the hall leaders apartment was always warm and cordial and I learnt a lot about the word of God. This became my family.

I will be honest , during this time my friends thought I was mad, the desire to club and have fun diminished, my desire was to tell everyone about Jesus and how much he loved them and died to save them from their sins and a wicked world. I read the bible like a 'lunatic' and prayed very much. My life became consumed by this newly found faith. The next stage was to pray for sanctification which the church leadership called the second work of grace ( now I know this is a lie, sanctification is a life long process ) . Obviously the third work of grace was the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Funny enough , if you had not received the Holy Ghost baptism you were excluded from group evangelism because you had not yet been empowered from on high and you could not be a leader in the church ( I think ). I could only go on 1:1 gospel sharing sessions.


Zero in on the first encounter with my Dad ( after this conversion ) who is not only a catholic but well known and respected in the community. The moment he heard about this newly found faith he went raving mad. He warned me , scolded me, wooed me with presents etc but to no avail, I stubbornly remained yours truly Apostolic Faith member. Then he started starving me of funds.

Before I go into my near death experience, I want to list a few observations during my stay with Apostolic Faith Church. There was this particular room fellowship we had on campus during the week when an uninvited student happened to bump into the meeting unknowingly. The manner in which the house leader threw him out and shut the door as he left petrified me, but I thought nothing of it after that event. The Apostolic faith church men had to shave their beard and moustache. I noticed jealousy and even anger in certain situations which I don't want to mention to protect privacy of the individuals. Apostolic church made it very clear that they were the only true church standing or one of the very few left which followed the truth. Even Deeperlife as extreme as it was could only manage a grudging acceptance because Kumuiy had left the church to start his own. In fact , rumour had it Kumuiyi was paying restitution to their church for leaving ( shocking if it was true ).

Hehehe,

frosbel: PART 1

Started when I was 19 years of age and studying at the University of Ibadan.........

I was not a particularly bad boy, just liked to have my fun, was an introvert but still managed to make a few friends, go to parties once in a while, very active in sports and was one of those students who always travelled to Lagos for the weekend and did the last minute cramming before exams.

My first encounter with this ideology was with a number of pretty babes who attended the then Rhema fellowship on campus. They were on routine evangelism when they decided to pay a visit to my room. At the time I was more curious than anything else. These girls were not the usual SU type , they were well adorned and wore makeup ( I think according to Deeperlife they would not be classified as real Christians ).

Anyway , they preached the 'gospel' , asked me to say the sinners prayer with them, we held hands in a circle and prayed. I then received an invitation to attend a weekly service. I accepted the invite and attended. I remember being a little bemused by the whole setup , coming from a catholic background it all seemed a little strange to say the least. I remember the testimonies which were truly astounding and exciting. Some people were shot at by armed robbers but the bullets did not penetrate while others had accidents and survived. So far so good.

Then it came for time to receive the Holy Ghost baptism and evidence of speaking in tongues. We were told to accept the gift by faith and start speaking in tongues. Well, I prayed the prayer but could not speak in tongues. So the Pastor decided to teach us how to speak in tongues. It started with something like this ;
'Okay brothers and sisters, start with - aaaaaaaaaaa, bababababababbaa, cacacacaccacaca, abababa, ababacaca and then just keep speaking. Amen amen, you have received the gift, keep speaking in tongues, shout , pray in tongues, oh yes........'

After this bewildering experience, then came the usual money collection time, a final prayer and socialising with older members of the church. I was now a fully fledged Christian.

Before I move on from this particular episode, it will truly be incomplete without mentioning a good friend who was a core member of the Rhema fellowship. He said some truly astounding things which were all according to the name it and claim it doctrine. For example if you wanted a girlfriend or wife, just visualise her in your head , what figure you preferred ( normally figure 8 , lol ) , her complexion, height, background etc and pray for it, you will get her. Others included claiming cars, wealth etc.

I never went back to Rhema because I found the experience a bit overwhelming and it was not like anything I had ever witnessed in the name of Christ. You see when I was a catholic, I prayed quietly and tried my best to be good ( did not work most times ) but there was no loud prayer and shouting. Of course they kept witnessing to me on a one to one basis with zilch impact.

This whole experience was soon forgotten and I went back to my 'old ways', i.e normal teenage life, enjoying campus, the food , friends, sports, lectures etc. I used to down a few beers at this time and puff a few cigs and that sort of thing. There is this place called black market in UI , I spent not a few evenings there boozing or in the day time at SUB having nice meals , socialising and chatting. As I talk about this experience I am beginning to miss UI, in those days life was good .

It did not last long. This was when I met a certain strange person who was typical SU in the way he looked , dressed, walked and even talked. His bible was noticeable and he possessed the resilience of marathon runner. He often came to my room to woo me to his church ( Apostolic Faith Church ) and preached about Jesus etc. While he preached I blasted music from my stereo system to prevent the unwanted noise but he never gave up despite the rejection and constant declines to attend his church. I eventually got fedup of his persistence and promised to accept his invitation to the Apostolic Faith Church in Ibadan.

Unfortunately as the 'devil' would have it, I went to a party on the Saturday night before Sunday church and got absolutely hammered with booze. When I returned to campus the next Sunday Morning I bumped into this brother who had the look of sorrow on his face at the state in which I was in. He was smartly dressed and looked like an angel from heaven. This encounter produced such guilt within me that I felt like the devil himself. After this I vowed to come with him to church the next Sunday and that's when it all began.

On this Sunday , we met at a central point where the church bus was waiting. The members were smartly dressed and neat and tidy, no head scarfs like deeper life but nice coloful hats. As we got to the church, I could not help but notice how large it was with the inscription Jesus the Light of the World and a Star at the top. ( Not sure what that star stands for till this day ).

Example :

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No. I can't wait for your reply, I am quoting the posts, too juicy to be lost.

chozkiel: dominus tercum brethren in christe

Et cum Spiritu tuo bro, welcome.