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SalC! I see you.

Lies ! Lies! Lies! Every line i read...lies everywhere. Don't just seek for something supporting your error, seek to know the truth @ OP.

striktlymi: I understand and agree.

Is it impractical to hold the view of Relativism and still go ahead to correct what is perceived as wrong? I don't think being a Relativist would hold one back from furthering whatever it is the individual considers to be 'appropriate behaviour'.

You see, that is the problem. Are you still considering "appropriate behaviour" relative or absolute? If it is relative, why do you need to change another person's view? You can see that in doing so as you suggested, the relativist is already considering his "appropriate behavior" as superior to the one he wants to change, this is leaning towards absoluteness. This is why I made the post below earlier:

Syncan: In my opinion, I do not think it will be moral to do so in its strict sense....At some point the relativist cannot satisfy his conscience without creating an absolute ground...So for a relativist to stake a claim on morality, he has to at some point abandon his position, else he will be endorsing quite a number of things that offends charity and morals.

Ubenedictus: hmmm... So morals for you is absolute.

What is morals if there are no truths, eventually all human species came from a common ancestral trail, no matter the evoluscope you are using. Most of the things we regard as differences in culture are human inventions which are not entirely pure of intent. It is therefore not exactly cool to me to sacrifice truths that originated with man, on the alter of the later inventions of men, which of course is laced with defects. Take for example the right to live, it has been there from inception, in the conscience of men. Yet in later days, we see that some tribes do bury people alive with dead kings or affluent persons in their community. We cannot excuse this as morally ok for relativity sake, when even the perpetrators desist from using their own children for such sacrifices. Imagine the sorrow of the mothers whose children were used for such sacrifices. The golden rule is an absolute truth and you find relativism violating it as in the case i just mentioned. As Christians we are all from God, and God's truth are absolute, that's why Christ came to bring the truth to the world, and He wants all men to follow that truth, as he preaches a unity of faith, that is the work of the Church...until all is made perfect.

striktlymi: I understand your viewpoint and can relate with it but the killing of twins by our forefathers can be excused. Morality, from the human standpoint is very relative. What may be good in one society may be frowned at as evil in another.

What we perceive as good or bad, to a very large extent, is dependent on our experiences in life. White and black are what they are today because of experience. If back in the day, "white" was called "black" and vise versa, Europeans would have been called black men today while Africans called white.

In same vein, a child brought up to believe that right-doing is ensuring that twins are killed in order to protect the sanctity of the community without knowing any better, the child would grow up to believe that good morals entails killing of twins.

The child's actions, though wrong by our standards, by no means suggest that the child is amoral; and he or she cannot be held culpable for any wrong-doing.

I don't know if I got the question wrong, if I understand it clearly, Ubenedictus wants to know if someone who holds the Ideology of relativism could be morally right. In the example you gave, the child sees the killing of twins as absolute truth, he is not the relativist, and so not the one we are considering his moral stance. If Mary Slessor had been a relativist, imagine how many more twins would have been killed in our parts till now, we can call it "killed by our forefathers" now because people who didn't think it was relative made it stop. I talked about fundamental human rights, these such as the right to live cannot be morally right to be considered relative, I doubt the morality of any kind of support towards taking of an innocent human life.

alentyno: Signing in. Let me see what these folks got here.

Italo and syncan if you still interested you can continue the discussion here.
@least many catholics on this thread can help you bombard me

You are welcome. You may have observed by now that we try to keep away such discusses as you propose from here, this is like a family where things such as the "mother's name" is known by all, or taught, and not argued over. Though I do not shy away from such discuss, but then if i have to argue about "mum's name", then we are not this family, hence a thread outside here should be more appropriate.

Ubenedictus: Good marwing all.

I've gat a few questions...they are of the moral nature so answer with care.


The first.

Is it moral to be a relativist?

In my opinion, I do not think it will be moral to do so in its strict sense. Imagine the morality behind excusing killing of twins because its ok in a particular culture, what could justify burying someone alive with the corpse of dead kings just because its relatively fine with a people?

At some point the relativist cannot satisfy his conscience without creating an absolute ground. What is fundamental human right if such rights are relative? Even the mere talk of moral, brings in some absoluteness, for a chief pillar for morals lies in the "golden rule", and this is absolute. So for a relativist to stake a claim on morality, he has to at some point abandon his position, else he will be endorsing quite a number of things that offends charity and morals.

"As for Herodias, she was furious with him and wanted to kill him; but she was not able to, because Herod was afraid of John, knowing him to be a good and holy man, and gave him his protection. When he had heard him speak he was greatly perplexed, and yet he liked to listen to him". MK6:19-20

Oh Herod...unfortunate you are, you who are just like most of us...yes I'm certain many are just like you. How many times have we listened to the preacher's words pierce our hearts, touching our inmost thoughts and secret acts...yeah, putting them to the scale and finding them wanting. Yet how many times have we instead clapped for the preacher, nodded in approval, looked around with a plastic smile of satisfaction; as if he just lambasted the opposition in a political gathering, and still leave such an occasion without sincere contrition and a firm purpose of amendment. Indeed aren't we like herod?..."when he heard him speak, he was greatly perplexed, and yet he liked to listen to him"...yet he took no positive step.

Brethren, can't we see the danger in this? We who rate the preachers thus...I like hearing Ube preach, I doze when Ita is preaching, Kam preaches so well, Sac doesn't know how to touch hearts...,yet do not repent of our vices. Poor Herod, when temptation came, he had no help. God's grace is always available to pull us out of the mire, yet we need to desire the help, we need to stretch out our hands, else we will be consumed when its the day of reckoning. Isn't that why the holy spirit had said ...now that you've listened to his voice, harden not your hearts.... Heb 3:7. When next the word touches us, stirs us up for a positive action in our lives, let's not tarry, let's take a positive step, let's not quench that flame. Remember Herod.

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

Kamsified: @Syncan thanks for sharing

Adanne, you're welcome. Howdy?

Rich4god: Nice day to you all... My prayers still with Salc... Erm... Kamsified, come lets go and visit your MIL to see how she is doing...

Nice day to you Rich. DeoGratias1 I saw you peeping,howdy?

IFY124: Good morning all. SalC hope you are doing? Thank you Syncan for that post

Dear one, nothing do you at all.

jnrbayano: Vintage Syncan.

I hail you bro.

FrancisTony: Get well soon SalC.

Good Morning to Y'all.

I greet you, double saint.

"My dear people, since God has loved us so much,we too should love one another. No one has ever seen God; but as long as we love one another God will live in us and his love will be complete in us" 1Jn 4:11-12.

Isn't it funny how St. John challenges us to a particular type of love...hahaha...just hear him "...this is the love I mean:not our love for God,
but God’s love for us when he sent his Son..." Can you Imagine? What happened to our Love for God, why isn't it good enough to be the yardstick for our love for one another? This is a food for thought indeed, when last did I do something for God just because I love him, I mean like doing something "stupid" for Him without giving a care to the world, not in expectation of something from him. Looking back at our lives, some of us have really done "stupid" things in the name of love, I believe I once saw a thread where people were asked to tell the stupid things they've done in the name of love, it was an interesting read as I remember. Most times when we do good in the name of love for God, they're with strings attached...hope for a repay in some way, even then, It's done with the consciousness of not wanting to be ridiculed by the world, we feel ashamed in some way...oh our imperfect love...be merciful to us Lord.

God needed nothing from us when He sent His son to come and be killed, He did it solely for our sake, God was not ashamed to take flesh made of dust, He gave no care to the world as he submitted himself to ridicule in the filthy hands of men, God was in love, with you and I, with all men, such that he cherished only the thoughts of being with us for eternity, and everything else mattered not...yeah, even the suffering and death of His only Son...what a perfect love. Such a love is what we crave, deep in our hearts from one another in our relationships, eg, families, marriages, friendships, etc, yet such a love; we hardly give and rarely receive. We pray the Lord to help us.

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

alentyno: For a start the bolded is only in print. Apart from the CCRN I have never (despite having worshiped in 3 separate dioceses) seen where we as a church went out to evangelize.
Even if I never knew such things were in the 'Canon Code of Conducts', I knew it had to be so!
Here is the proof

What do you understand by "to evangelize"?

Now, that was from the Catechism of the Catholic church and not any "canon code of conduct". If you want to make accusations against the church you claim to belong to, at least you should know what she teaches.

@ nannymcphee, I agree with you, alentyno pls take note, you may want to move the discuss else where. Thanks

alentyno: anyways you saw the question I asked.

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in
many ways to the baptized who are honored by
the name of Christian, but do not profess the
Catholic faith in its entirety or have not
preserved unity or communion under the
successor of Peter." 322

Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church." 323

With the Orthodox Churches , this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the
fullness that would permit a common
celebration of the Lord's Eucharist." 324

This is the teaching of the Catholic church, do you know this?

alentyno: anyways you saw the question I asked.

Those who, through no fault of their own, do
not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but
who nevertheless seek God with a sincere
heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions
to do his will as they know it through the
dictates of their conscience - those too may
achieve eternal salvation. 337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God
can lead those who, through no fault of their
own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith
without which it is impossible to please him, the
Church still has the obligation and also the
sacred right to evangelize all men." 338


This is the teaching of the Catholic church, do you know this?

Hmm...Quite some interesting readings.

Good evening brethren, a pleasant day to you all.


SalC, do get well quick.

alentyno, you brought me to this thread, how may I be of help?... ehm...That's apart from measuring the respect I have for my Dad against the one I have for my mum, based on the number of times I call their names per day.

Ave Regina caeli et terra!

May she who is queen over all her son owns, pray for us always.


Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead.

SalC: Kamsified is It just me or did you notice the oga Syncan ran away since I displayed his pics while dancing atilogwu?

Where on earth is POPEII

You wish. Pls leave that neighbourhood, its not a good one. If you can call that atilogwu, just from being passively involved, imagine what the substance is doing to those guys. Pls leave that environ.

Yes, where is POPEII?

Ubenedictus: his first shout out to God.

Ok.

Kamsified: Now she threatheneth him
Syncan ndooo

She wouldn't dare.

SalC: I refrained from saying whom among them is him because I want to at least respect his privacy but if he dares me one more time, I will break the "aku oyibo nsugbe"

A na m asi Chukwu nyere m aka n'onye m ga etigbuli?

FrancisTony:

https://www.nairaland.com/1791953/mayor-difference/1#25663364

Every where I look, I see people, successful people, achievers in most respect, whose success stories were littered with setbacks. They knew not to be "held back" by the "set back", and to some... they knew that not only one road leads to success. Be positive, cast your cares on Jesus and Mary, and be light.

Double saint, even this... shall be tomorrow's past.

frankben: you a seminarian?

E de for internet.

SalC: Honestly its not. If it is, you suppose know me na

These days I no know you again

SalC: Thanks for this. I must say this went even farther than I expect.

I hope that is not a polite way of saying "of point"

frankben: *scratches head*

pax-peace

this is real puzzle. .... Maybe he was tryna say "pax et caritas christi"

No. Tobetoe is right. 'The Love of Christ Urges us On.'

wonda26: I'm new in my area. I go church close by this evening for confession. . St. Brigid's , Ijesha... No sign of confession.


I just dey paro for here

You can atleast find out their schedule for it. Weldone bro.

SalC: Yes he said it himself

Quote or...

bluerange: Be careful with what you say....before someone will expect you to be his/her ATM! Na warning l give you so o!

You are right Sis, I can even be that, just that its temporary out of service.