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gregyboy:
[s]You have gone mad again.... You need to be tamed[/s]

Thank you for admitting the fact that you (as an Edo) are a slave (by default) to the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

Thank you for admitting the fact that he is not one of you -- that is, for admitting that he simply came, saw, and conquered.

Emperordynasty:
Aunty correcter read and comprehend....I said the Esans refer to present day Benin city as Edo...and even see Benin as an English word which is to say a foreign word....English is the closet foreign language to us you hear........so also is Lagos called eko...

Yes, the context of your statement is very clear.

That 'Benin' (and 'Lagos') are mere English words, and it is for this reason that the Esans, for example, do not regard the word 'Benin' in local or indigenous discourse.

However, 'Lagos' and 'Benin' are NOT English words, unfortunately for you.

Emperordynasty:
... and I know that Lagos is not an English but a Portugues word.....common sense should tell u that I mean foreign word

You need to stop assuming that people should think of you as not dumb, even though they've seen you make an uncorrected dumb statement.

You can not possibly hold someone else responsible for your own bungle. No you can't. Learn to accept responsibility for your own idiocy.

Cheers!

Emperordynasty:
the minority tribes in Edo state still traditionally refer to Benin as Edo in the local tounge...most Esan and Afemia often see Benin as an English word....the ancient city of Benin is still called Edo...the same way Lagos is called eko and Lagos is seen as an English word.hope u get my point..


And look Esan,Owan,Afemai etc all see Benin as an emperor who oversees the entire rulership of these ethnic groups with Benin origin....when the Oba was recently coronated he visited this tribe not only as a visit but to present himself to various independent states under his influence....that is why Esan and other lands in Edo outside Benin don't have dukes as many Benins believe but have Kings and they see the oba not as a king but as an emperor.....they when he visited Esan the conveney of the visit told the communities to come as see their Oba,the Oba in Benin......the Benin rulings, when royals come to greet the oba the Onojie(kings)in Esan ,Owan,and Afemai lands stay in different places separate from Enogies(dukes)in Benin localities like Uselu etc...

"Lagos" is not an English word, [neither is "Benin"].

Set awon nairaland historians!

Emperordynasty:
I [s]don't support the worship of a man in anyway...but I love the way the Benins show respect to their king and it also shows that values and respect is ingrained in their nature as people...

But why does TAO12 want to kill herself over this fact...
First you blindly made a claim that your yo.robber people brought the mornachy to Benin,and that the oba sees his subjects as slave....how does this you stupid claim affect the topic..

Why do you tribalistic idiots always go about to insult the cultures of others and when you get blasted you say that "they are attacking yorubas".

Why does anything Benin give you heart attack misses TAO12...I so much dispise your irritating behaviour....if you don't like the post just get the hell out of the thread...[/s]

First of all, I wasn't merely making a claim. Rather, I was actaully quoting from an early report of Benin practices and customs.


Now to reply you: In every ancient culture of the world, the king is shown respect, and almost literally worshipped.

However, default enslavement is another ball game completely. You can't white-wash that!

No king (who is of same stock as the people) regards same people as his slaves in such a default manner as the Yoruba-Kings of Benin regard their Edo subjects.

This speaks to one fact -- that is, the Obas of Benin are from a different paternal ethno-linguistic stock (Yoruba), while their subjects are from another ethno-linguistic stock (Edo).

In fact, it is not simply the people who merely lowered themselves, rather it is the royal right of the Yoruba-King of Benin to abuse his Edo subjects. It is he who must regard them as his slaves wether they like it, or they like it.

Refresh your mind again:

"The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people ... are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons ... the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, ..."

This documentation points again to the same historical fact I've proving severally to the effect that, while the subjects and commoners are Edos, their Kings (from Oranmiyan/Eweka till date and forever) are Yorubas, and they must always seal their ascension rites at certain sites in Ife.

The truth itches.

gregyboy:
TAO11 i see you......

Go sleep

I know I chase you in your nightmares . I, Awolowo, and Oranmiyan.

IDENNAA:
Like I said, its their culture even if you thought it deamening. And , in order for respect and peace to prevail I will tolerate Bini and their reverence to their king and hope they do same and respect the Igbo "every man is created equally" philosophy.

Well, it's in no man's culture that a king (who is one of the people) should regard same people as his slaves in such a default, sweeping, and general way.

The actual historical background is an open-secret. The foregoing historical fact is another confirmation of such well-known historical background .

In other words, the Obas are Yorubas, while his subjects (that is -- his default slaves) are Edos. Simple!

But in fact, I understand the perspective you're looking at things from. We should respect one another regardless of the historical truths. Got it!

davidnazee:
why do u keep asking for evidence when u don’t understand what it means.. go sleep Awori woman

Again, no tears is required.

Only evidence, proof, and reason.

davidnazee:
Lol �.. you guys are just jokers... it’s clear to everyone that you are trying to change what is generally known (with evidence and witnesses accounts) about your little history and it’s not working for u.

I can't remember asking you for ocean of tears and sorrows.

In case you've forgotten, I asked for evidence, proof, and reason.

gregyboy:
[s]Benin really dis alot influence to the yorubas sha

Ise- is pronounced ase" by the yorubas

While ami is originally that of the yorubas


TAO11 go and research and come argue you have lost your sanity, you sounding reckless and restless

I cant be arguing on what we have trashed amd you lost woefully

I want to be disproven to be sincere with you but with fact that leaves no doubt tho.........[/s]

Thief wants to steal anything he can lay his hands on including "Ase".

Dumb gayboy doesn't know that "Amin" is a native rendering of "Amen" also found in his own language.

Anyways, I didn't ask for tears from you.

I asked for evidence, proof, and reason.

Moreover, why does Benin kings have to pay homage to Ife, especially on their ascension.

You haven't answered this question.

cc: gregyboy aka Edeyoung.

Yes, you must pray for him because all his Edo subjects are his slaves.

The Yoruba-Obas of Benin consider their Edo subjects as their slaves.

These Yoruba-kings of Benin and the Edo people whom they rule over till date (and forever) are from different ethno-linguistic stocks.

See an instance of what I'm talking about in Roth (1903), p.103 below:

"The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people are free, but are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons the king claimed male children, widows and slaves belonging to deceased subjects; he could hardly get much more, so that the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, and those who were not to the king were so to their chiefs."

No king considers his subjects to be his slaves if indeed they are one and the same people. Food for thought!

cc: Igbos, OhanaezeNdigbo, NnamdiKanu, IPOB, MASSOB, Biafra

gregyboy:
Lol..... Your blood is what we need

You really wish him death!? On top weytin??

May the Yoruba deities of Benin Kingdom punish you severely before the end of tommorrow for this statement.

Àṣẹ!

babtoundey:
Believe me, you have done him "STRONG THING". He will always think twice and maybe smart before he creates his junk posts on Nairaland. Anywhere he comes by letter Tao he will instantly turn into ghost mode.

And baba wants to be referenced internationally. I think he is right. His nonsenses will be need as reference when there is need to teach smart and intelligent kids how unbaked historians are made and the wrong and stuoid approaches to be an historian.

I swear!

His worst regret is the day God created me, babtoundey and others.

gregyboy:
I never said you were in America

Of course you didnt.

You only thought Somalia was a state somewhere in North America.

gregyboy:
[s]I will just reply to this....... Send me new findings when you see it, my mails are open, you can post it here on Nairaland too

I will be wasting my time arguing on the discussion we have before which you failed woefully.......


For now my debate is up... Oduduwa is a myth, ife is a mythical kingdom and they were introduced and written by Samuel Johnson the first yoruba author....... Prove it[/s]

Why did Oba Eweka II, Oba EwuareII and all their ancestors pay homage to Ife?

I know the poor crown-prince of Benin will also be foreced to go and dobale in Ufe when his reign comes.

gregyboy:
Your are always joking, cant you be serious for once

No diatractions allowed. 

You must tell us why Benin Kingdom continues to pay homage to Ife even in modern times.

If you have no answer, then ask EwuareII.

BabaRamota1980:
Tao, God bless you jare.
Edeyoung/gregyboy, see your life now. You could have saved yourself these much embarassment but because your Edo ancestral rebellion has eaten deep into your spirit the only thing you know to do is seek banishment, expulsion, exile, poisoning, doublecrossing, cussing and witchery online. Study and copy the lifestyle of your Bini rulers and follow their ways. The Oduduwa way. Learn to accomodate, love, tolerance, leadership, learn civilization.
Bloody slave. Look, Baba lo ma pa e! Let me see you try another witchery here. I will banish you into Abiriba. Yeye thing.

Hahahaha. Don't let Edeyoung (aka gregyboy) vex and commit suicide oo.

I still need him to entertain my self as I have been doing oo.

BabaRamota1980:
You want slave to know difference between Oghene and Ife. Tao, do you know what i found out?

These rascals were taught what they know by dutch and portuguese freaks. What they know of their own land and kingdom was distorted and rephrased into new dimensions that they had to learn anew. The new lessons is what they are regurgitating up and down.

Oba Eweka II narrated to portuguese that when sun rises in morning he looks out to the sun and gives praise to Oghene in Ife. He never told white man his Oghene is located in East. The whiteman in turn is a sailor. To all sailors who were trained in the use of azimuth to calculate distance and landings, the Northern and Eastern cardinal points were critical. When whiteman heard sunrise to him that is East. He penned in his diary, the king of Benin praises Oghene in East. In actual fact there is no Oghene in East but at sunrise Oghene must be praised. Whiteman mis-interpreted sunrise with East in reference to Oghene.

We know what it is because we are civilized. Gregyboy comes from a slave stock kept to offer sacrifice to Oghene altar, there can be no way he can know this. He has to depend on whiteman rendering of Oghene to know but two people are now lost. Whiteman is lost, Edo is lost. Thats what we are dealing with. But by the power of Babaloke himself and lagbara Oduduwa we shall set white man straight and then send hin to retrain Edo and set Edo straight.

Sure!

gregyboy:
You need to leave Somalia, is like dehydration is worrying you,, your brain nor get water again

Somalia is not even a state in NorthAmerica. How did you pass Geography?

gregyboy:
You too like play this pikin get sense

No distractions allowed.

The question remains: Why does Benin Kingdom continue to pay homage to Ife even in modern times?

gregyboy:
[s]You didnt learn anything in the previous thread still cycling rubiish.......

Oh boy........ If i see something new then we will talk but fornow nothing

Go and read more take time......

If you got anything new post it,post new findings[/s]

I learnt that I have crushed Beni Kingdom to death because you ran away from my evidences never to look back.

So, I had to remind you here again in case you want to start your lie afresh.

Challenge my argument here if you can.

You obviously can't possibly challenge what you'd previously fled from.

gregyboy:
[s]I will stop replying if i dont see new findings from you

Am serious[/s]

I am not sure why you're thinking of stopping your replies.

You don't want these thread to get popular as Google search result so that the world won't see how I have uselessed Benin Kingdom.

gregyboy:
#Pained but truth.

Ife is a mythical kingdom. I don read yoruba history finish...... Thanks to my empty skull

Yet Oba EwuareII, and all his ancestors (including ObaEwekaII, et al.) continue to pay homage to Ife on their ascension.

It's a must!

BabaRamota1980:
Tao12,
Why are we still on this topic of Oba of Benin giving libation to his great great great great grandfather in Ife? Let me see, ok, right now we are on page 5000. . I thought you repeatedly instructed gregyboy on page 1 on same exact subject. . This is his witchery rebellion playing out. Next time you have to teach the uncivilized guy let me know. Im ready to scatter his broomstick during flight. He is rebellious. He can never listen, thats Edo way. Im telling you. Very wicked way.

His skull thick. So, I plan to drill it till I reach the vacuum.

gregyboy:
Oghene is ife....... Lol kill me

Oghene refers to person.

Ife refers to place.

Your Oba EwekaII told Ward-Price that he suplicates to the "Oghene of Ife", et al. every morning.

Yes, he used this precise wording.

Refer to H.L. Ward-Price's Dark Subjects (London, 1939), p.238.

I know I am about to kill you. And I know you hate Oba EwekaII now.

gregyboy:
[s]Funny you.... Lol....... You only debate to kill boredom and just lie uncessarry

Youre bored go and sleep[/s]

No diatractions allowed.

You must tell us why Benin Kingdom continues to pay homage to Ife even in modern times.

If you have no answer, then ask EwuareII.

gregyboy:
You truly came to rescue him

One day i will be refrenced internationally and nationally when the truth behind the ife myth spills out.......

Trust me........

Hahaha! You're already been referenced internationally.

My friends here see your comments, and they challenge me like: But you said young guys back in Nigeria are smart.

cc: MetaPhysical

gregyboy:
[s]Show fellow nairaland the other sculpture from ife dating 14c to 15c[/s]

Whom was I showing before when I was drilling your skull on the other threads? ...Dollarlanders??

gregyboy:
Lol...... This is how far your lie can take you to.... Lets assume you're correct what relationship did benin keep with oyo its brother state

Your contention here is as selfdefeating and selfrefuting as your reply in the conversation below:

Me: Gregyboy, you're so foolish!

You: It's a lie. But let's assume it's true, is my sister also foolish?

I have f*cked you up so badly on the c1300 archaeological evidence for Ife's suzerainty over Benin Kingdom. [See attached for reminder].

I flogged you severely as "gregyboy" on that topic until you fled for dear life and deleted the topic from your list.

You came back weeks later as "Edeyoung" for the same issue you had earlier fled from. You got flogged to death again.

On the relationship with Oyo, they simply see each other as sons of Oduduwa.

This is why whenever Oba EwekaII (who died about 3 decades before the creation of Nigeria) wakes up in the morning, he goes into a narrow room in the palace then wait for the first morning rays of the sun to illuminate the window after which he immediately proceeds to offer supplication to (1) "the Oghene of Ife", (2) the Alaafin of Oyo, before (3) himself, and (4) all other Yoruba kings.

Reference:
Oba Eweka's conversation with the European visitor H.L. Ward Price circa1920 in his Dark Subjects.

Can you now tell us if a similar relationship exist between Benin Kingdom and the Urhobo Kingdom?

[s]TAO11 is bored she just want to Have a discussion by force[/s]

No distractions. My question still stands. Why does Benin Kingdom still continue to pay homage to Ife, even in modern times? Ask EwuareII.

cc: RuggedSniper, MetaPhysical, BabaRamota1980, gomojam, lawani, babtoundey, Moneywomen17

Because, there is no such monarchy in the whole of Edoland, both before and after the Yorubas introduced it to the Binis only.

gregyboy:
[s]I have given enough point on lawanis threads go there and read

I will only reply you when i see archeological or written account of benin-ife, benin-oyo relationship prior from 1475-1897

You to also provide evidence on the fact that ife had ancestoral importance prior from the acient times till 1897[/s]

And I strangled you almost to death on that thread. And you managed to escape and ran away for dear life.

I demonstrated the existence of archaeological evidence (dating to the early 1300s) proving Ife's ascendancy over Benin Kingdom.

You ran away never to look back after I proved it.

gregyboy:
[s]You spoke out of hate...... I left the truth and erase the lies


I wont be speaking with hate but blunt painful truth lol....


I would rather recon with Anthony enahoro a very bold edo man, who spoke out on the need of independence when even your suicide awolowo couldn't say shit this how bold edo men are, and thats how we edos bleeped you all in the ancient past and took your lands.........


2) you see pop limited us, democracy run on population regardless of that edos are still top notch in the affairs of nigeria both home and abroad if we have the population you fucking yoruba have now, the north will be leaving at our shadow while we rule... And edo man loves dominating and that's what the yoruba people lack


3) the first thing i striked out is fairytale oromiyan
Lol...... Our oba said he gave you guys izoduwa ekaladeran, even if i want to agree with the mythism, oromiyan is a good fairytale story


The last paragraph got me laffing....... Abeg this is morning please chill on your lies
You guys can be fool accepting myth as real but don't rub it with us..... Take your lifelesss oromiyan story out of your head.... We did all the influence to yoruba people

I know TAO11 will quote me on your behalf, she is insane anyway.......

If you want to debate oduduwa existence come clean and tell me[/s]

Three people Edo Nairalnders are dead-scared of:

(1) Oranmiyan, (2) Awolowo, (3) Tao.

The day I would leave Nairaland will be a day of great celebration all over Benin Kingdom.

May name has been engraved in gold on their minds.

Thank you babtoundey for drilling his thick skull.

gregyboy:
[s]What relationship did benin keep with oyo after oromiyan leave to oyo[/s]

Stop the distractions and ask Oba EwuareII why Benin continues to pay homage to Ife even in modern times.