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 Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 11:10pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
RuggedSniper:Yes that's absolutely correct about Orun Oba Ado [the custom stopped before Ovanramwen(1897) though] and about the Lagos burial. I have written at some great lenght on the Orun Oba Ado burial site at the following link: https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/4#88240113 The following attachment relates to the Lagos burial. Both customs point, however, to the fact that Ife and Lagos are the paternal homeland of the dynastic founders of Benin and Lagos monarchies respectively. 4 Likes 1 Share
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| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 8:02pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:Edeyoung, don't worry take your your time. In fact, you can read one word per day. 3 Likes
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 7:54pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:That's precisely what you're out here to prove. So, go ahead and prove it (even in the light of refutations and your admission). 
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| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO12: 7:52pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:More like: Lies buster. 1 Like
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 7:49pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:I know you cant. I expected that. Anywyas, feel free to take your time. In fact, you can read one word per day. Summary: I am glad you have ultimately admitted that the Yorubas introduced Olokun, UmaleOkun to you Edos. |
| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO12: 7:46pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:I hope you don't cry sha! 1 Like
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 7:45pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 2:58pm On Jun 15, 2020 |
gregyboy:(1) There is no such thing a "NigerDelta Kingdom". (a) The Kingdoms have been there since ancient pre-colonial times. (b) NigerDelta was only recently created as a region in Nigeria. Stop attempting to make the term NigerDelta (of Nigeria) look ancient. (2) I know for sure that Awolowo chases you around in your dreams. Having said that, every sane person know for sure that the Itsekiris have been influential since pre-colonial times. The other kingdoms round the coast in the region just do not come close at all for comparison. The itsekiris are about the first people (of today's Nigeria) to be contacted by the Europeans. Awolowo, didn't direct the Portuguese to recognize them. Most of Awolowo's fore-parents weren't even born at the time.  (3) Can you name me one Kingdom in the Niger Delta region, whose native tongue explains the words Olokun or UmaleOkun? Not one except the Yorubas of the region -- the Itsekiris. So, they werent merely "singled-out" (as you put it), they were identified correctly. (4) A royalty from the Bini court (not the Edos) came in contact with the Itsekiris, and the Itsekiris accepted him to be King. A Bini scholar (Obaro Ikime) has suggested that a reason why the Itsekiris easily accepted him and made him king is because the Benin court appears to have been bilingual (speaking both Yoruba and Edo) that early. In any case, the accounts (either of Itsekiris or of Binis) do not speak of any conquest. Important Note: The Itsekiris accepted Ginuwa -- another Yoruba of Benin. The Itsekiris did not accept any Edo. The Edos are admittedly slaves of the Yoruba Oba of Benin -- a thing of joy and pride to the Edos. Refer to the following from H.L. Roth(1903), p.103. "Lieut. King found that “the king can sell his subjects when convicted of crime, or when they have incurred his displeasure." The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people are free, but are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons the king claimed male children, widows and slaves belonging to deceased subjects; he could hardly get much more, so that the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, and those who were not to the king were so to their chiefs." In Summary: I am glad you have ultimately admitted that the Yorubas introduced Olokun, UmaleOkun to you Edos. Hurray!!! cc: MetaPhysical |
| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 6:19pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 10:54pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:(1) You've already been crushed beyond remedy on the "Oba" argument -- you were crushed both as "Edeyoung" and also as "gregyboy". There is no point beating a dead horse on that. (2a) IFa (which you Edos call IHa, just as you call UFe as UHe) goes in syn with Olokun. (i) Evidence of this claim from Yoruba perspective is as follows: The Yoruba praise Ifa as follows: Ifa-Olokun a soro d'ayo. (ii) Evidence of this claim from Edo perspective is as follows: Refer to the attached image from page 47 of Norma Rosen's "Chalk Iconography in Olokun Worship" with the following accompanying notes: *DIVINATION PLATE (IHA OKPAN) WITH OLOKUN DIVINATION TOOLS SUCH AS COWRIES AND COINS. -- p.47. My Note: In Yoruba religion, the "divination plate" is known as "okpon Ifa". In the light of the fact that you've eventually admitted (in the link below) that Olokun was indeed introduced to the Edos by Yorubas; Ifa which goes in sync with Olokun was therefore also introduced with it to the Edos by the Yorubas. (2b) Moreover, "Orunmila", who is unanimously agreed (by both Yoruba and Edo) as the greatest deified-Ifa priest of all time, has a Yoruba name. Can you tell us the meaning of "Orunmila" in Edo language? Break it down. (3) You've been crushed at this link where you eventually admitted that Olokun was indeed introduced to the Edos by the Yorubas. https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90661084 cc: MetaPhysical, BabaRamota1980 2 Likes
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 6:15pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
MetaPhysical:Hahaha!
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| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 6:11pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 8:12pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:Edo is what he asked for, not Benin. The Yoruba Oba of Benin considers you Edos as his slaves. He wouldn't hold such consideration if he actually sees you Edos as his people. [Food For Thought] Refer to the following quotes from page 103 of H.L Roth(1903): "Lieut. King found that “the king can sell his subjects when convicted of crime, or when they have incurred his displeasure." The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people are free, but are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons the king claimed male children, widows and slaves belonging to deceased subjects; he could hardly get much more, so that the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, and those who were not to the king were so to their chiefs." cc: BabaRamota1980 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO12: 6:02pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 2:03am On Jun 15, 2020 |
gregyboy:Wait! Where did Samuel Johnson say that Oranmiyan was Oduduwa's son and not his grandson?? Edo liar on the loose! Moreover, do you mean myth just like Roth's who made-up Ekalderhan and sold it to your dumb people?? /s Or like Talbot's who made-up Ewuare and sold it to your dumb people?? /s And many more. cc: Mraphel 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 5:59pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 2:03am On Jun 15, 2020 |
gregyboy:Thank you for finally admitting that the Itsekiris (i.e. Yorubas) gave you Olokun. Even your Etinosa1234 admits the Itsekiris are Yorubas. And you too have admitted it repeatedly before (until now?) cc: MetaPhysical. |
| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 4:51pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
MetaPhysical:Don't mind those desperate self-deluded clowns. Etinosa must be in his usual corner, at the moment, licking is wound. I will read your write-ups, I promise. 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 4:41pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:(1) Is this the best you can do to defend Benin Kingdom from collapsing. (2) Anyways, I am awaiting your defence for your lie that Oba controls the sea in Edo religion or spirituality [See 1st attachment]. (3) Also, I am waiting for your proof that Olokun has a goddess aspect in Edo religion/spirituality. [See 2nd attachment] "Olo" means goddess /s . LMAO.
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 4:33pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 5:06pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:In Yoruba spirituality, yes. It is both in Yoruba spirituality, and I can show you evidence for that. But there is only one of its manifestation in Edo spirituality -- its masculine manifestation only. I challenge you to show me any Edo spirituality that depicts Olokun as female. You have only what we introduced to you. And you have preserved it in its Yoruba name whether as "Olokun" or as "Umale-Okun". So your lie of "Olo" (in Olokun) means "Goddess" has been busted. "Olokun"/"Umale-Okun" are both purely Yoruba words. In other words, you had to resort to a blatant lie (about "Olo") because you know it has no meaning in your native tongue -- a big proof that it was introduced to you by your Yoruba masters. "Olokun" was introduced to Edos from their Yoruba masters. #Exposed. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 4:24pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 5:16pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:(1) That's another bold lie. In Benin religion or spirituality, the Oba does not control the sea. In Benin spirituality, the Oba's control is strictly limited to land, while Olokun controls the sea. [See 1st attacment below from an academic journal article which you yourself attached above]. #Exposed. (2) Yes, I already admitted that the Yorubas introduced "Olokun" to the Edos so that they can worship it and keep fond memories of it. *(3)* Address your lie that "Olo" (in Olokun) means "Goddess" in Edo language; when, in fact, your own source states clearly that Olokun is a MALE deity in Edo spirituality. [See 2nd attachment below from your an academic journal article which you trust.] #Exposed
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 4:02pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 5:06pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:(1) That's why the Istsekiris (Yorubas) introduced it to you. And that's why you have no native name for it (2) What do you mean by control? And when did such control begin? (3) Yes, I agree that the Itsekiris introduced it to you so you can worship it and keep memories of it. 3 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 3:43pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 4:59pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:Hahahaha! "Olo" means "goddess" in Edo. ROTFLMAO Benin has been crushed to pieces, so I understand that it needs the help of deranged liars. Your brothers will hate you for this. RamessesIV come and see something oo. Anyways, see the attahment below which shows that, among the Edos Olokun is in fact a male deity Mind you this attachment is from a source which you've once attached before. So, tell me again how "Olo" means "goddess". #Exposed
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 3:39pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 4:55pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:By "indigenous" do you mean you ancestors inventend it, or you mean it's been introduced to your ancestors from a very early beginning. Are you really insisting that your ancestors invented this deity and then gave it a Yoruba name (instead of an Edo name)?? Moreover, your so-called articles (which are nothing both Wikipedia write-ups, blogs essays, etc.) all agree that Olokun is a Yoruba deity. The only exception is your Facebook account which says otherwise. Modified: Yes, "Ogie-amien" (an Edo word) is not worshipped as sea deity. Instead, it is "Olokun/Umaleokun" (a Yoruba word for a Yoruba deity) that is worshipped by the Edos. |
| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 3:27pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 4:53pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:By "indigenous" do you mean you ancestors inventend it, or you mean it's been introduced to your ancestors from a very early beginning. Are you sure your ancestors invented this deity and then gave it a Yoruba name (instead of an Edo name)?? Modified: Yes, "Ogie-amien" (an Edo word) is not worshipped as sea deity. Instead, it is "Olokun/Umaleokun" (a Yoruba word for a Yoruba deity) that is worshipped by the Edos.
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| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:15pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:Do you not have any way to save Benin from me apart from you and Etinosa whose application for Lagos indigenship, before me, has been torn, crushed, burnt and trashed? Engage my argument if truly you believe it's a lie. 1 Like
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| Culture › Re: Olokun Worship is Indigenous 2 benins but some others were borrowed from yorubas by TAO12: 3:08pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
A deity which you have absolutely no name for in your native tongue was certainly imposed on you by others -- 100%. "Olokun" was introduced to the Edo people by your closest Yoruba neighbours -- The Itsekiris. "Olokun" [from the Yoruba words "Olu-Okun" -- "Lord of the Sea"] is a Yoruba deity with a Yoruba name. We also alternatively call it by the name: "Umale-Okun", or "Imale-Okun", or Umole-Okun, or "Imole-Okun"; meaning "Spirit of the Sea". All these are pure Yoruba words. Stop attaching screenshots from Edo blogs and fraudulently passing them off as academic materials. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:06pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:I refuse to accept that this is your best to save Benin Kingdom from me. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:05pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:(1) Nope! Nowhere does R. Smith say that all the details in Egharevba's traditional Benin account is corroboroted by Ulsheimer's 1603 report. Rather, he stated Egharevba's traditional Benin account, and he also clearly put out what and what was corroborated in it by the eyewitness report of Ulsheimer 1603. [Refer to the 1st attachment below for details on this from my earlier comment which you've been dead-scared to address]. (2) I have so trashed every single mis-interpretations and spinnings you've attributed to those so-called pictures to the extent that anyone (even with just an atom of sanity) must have realized how badly you've been unfortunately indoctrinated and force-fed to ingest Benin dog-shits as though they were an accurate depiction of the actual context of the events. Moreover, a careful consideration of the European eyewitness report of Ulsheimer 1603 in synchronization with the historical realities of the early beginnings of the Atlantic coast trade leads to the conclusions that (1) not only have the Binis long settled in Lagos before 1603, (2) their settling-in in Lagos (just as the settling-in of the other immigrant trade groups) was via a peaceful infiltration. This conclusion (which results from a consideration of eyewitness report as well as with trade history along the Atlantic coast) is in clear agreement with the Lagos traditional acount and contrary to the Benin traditional account [Refer to the 2nd attachment below for details on this from my earlier comment which you've been dead-scared to address]. (3) I hope you do not mean this as an argument on its own. (4) Nope! I know this because my analysis here (via a consideration of the eyewitness report and the historical fact of the Atlantic coast trade of which Benin is a key player) is at polar variance to the traditional Benin account which your grandmother has force-fed to you from a very young age, and which you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker without hesitation and scrutiny. 2 Likes
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| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 2:26pm On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 7:04pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:You're going in circles now perhaps because the issue here is bigger than you and your hero, Etinosa who has been beaten blue and black in this. The idea that Lagos was conquered is an interpretation which, in fact, does not gel with the earliest known eyewitness report (Ulsheimer, 1603), nor with the generally well-known historical realities of the then Lagos. The account of Ulsheimer (1603) indicates clearly that what has been often widely interpreted as a conquest of Lagos by the Binis is in fact a misinterepretation. On the contrary, the report indicates that the Binis must have settled in Lagos pre-1603 -- that is , prior to the conflict alluded to in that report -- and as such the conflict it talks about can not possibly be an imperial attempt to settle in Lagos to take it. Moreover, the historical fact of the early begginings of European trade on the coast of Lagos (pre-1600) is an obvious corroboration to the beginnings of Benin's presence (an active participant in the coastal trade) in the region pre-1600. This is true for many other immigrant groups too apart from Benin. The foregoing consideration of these two facts (i.e. the report of Ulsheimer(1603) and the early beginnings of European trade in Lagos) supports the aspect of the Lagos traditional account (and not the Benin traditional account) which holds that the settling in of the Binis et al. in Lagos [pre-1600s] was via a peaceful infiltration -- i.e. trade. This same consideration also supports another aspect of the Lagos traditional account which holds that the [post-1600] conflicts in Lagos [one of which Ulsheimer(1603) talks about] relates simply to trade-induced violence long, long after all immigrant groups had settled in peacefully for trade purposes. Refer to the attached for details on this. Furthermore, while there is also nothing in Ulsheimer's(1603) report to even suggest that the first king of Lagos is a Bini (as the Bini traditional account holds); linguistic clues ("Ashipa" ) indicate that the first king of Lagos is of Yoruba descent. Moreover, an independent 1920s non-Yoruba and non-Bini account also confirms this about Ashipa being a Yoruba royalty from Isheri. In addition to these, the custom of burying the kings' heads in Lagos and their remaining body in Benin although suggests connection with Benin (i.e. a maternal and a political connection as I have once shown), it does indeed confirm Lagos to be the paternal homeland of Lagos kings. And the Benin traditional account finally finds its way to the dustbin. cc: RuggedSniper, MetaPhysical, lawani, gomojam, babtoundey, Moneywomen17, sesan85 3 Likes 1 Share
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| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 2:24pm On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:You're going in circles now perhaps because the issue here is bigger than you and your hero, Etinosa who has been beaten blue and black in this. The idea that Lagos was conquered is an interpretation which, in fact, does not gel with the earliest known eyewitness report (Ulsheimer, 1603), nor with the generally well-known historical realities of the then Lagos. The account of Ulsheimer (1603) indicates clearly that what has been often widely interpreted as a conquest of Lagos by the Binis is in fact a misinterepretation. On the contrary, the report indicates that the Binis must have settled in Lagos pre-1603 -- that is , prior to the conflict alluded to in that report -- and as such the conflict it talks about can not possibly be an imperial attempt to settle in Lagos to take it. Moreover, the historical fact of the early begginings of European trade on the coast of Lagos (pre-1600) is an obvious corroboration to the beginnings of Benin's presence (an active participant in the coastal trade) in the region pre-1600. This is true for many other immigrant groups too apart from Benin. The foregoing consideration of these two facts (i.e. the report of Ulsheimer(1603) and the early beginnings of European trade in Lagos) supports the aspect of the Lagos traditional account (and not the Benin traditional account) which holds that the settling in of the Binis et al. in Lagos [pre-1600s] was via a peaceful infiltration -- i.e. trade. This same consideration also supports another aspect of the Lagos traditional account which holds that the [post-1600] conflicts in Lagos [one of which Ulsheimer(1603) talks about] relates simply to trade-induced violence long, long after all immigrant groups had in peacefully for trade purposes. Refer to the attached for details on this. Furthermore, while there is also nothing in Ulsheimer's(1603) report to even suggest that the first king of Lagos is a Bini (as the Bini traditional account holds); inguistic clues ("Ashipa" ) indicate that the first king of Lagos is of Yoruba descent. Moreover, an independent 1920s non-Yoruba and non-Bini account also confirms this about Ashipa being a Yoruba royalty from Isheri. In addition to these, the custom of burying the kings' heads in Lagos and their remaining body in Benin although suggests connection with Benin (i.e. a maternal and a political connection as I have once shown), it does indeed confirm Lagos to be the paternal homeland of Lagos kings. And the Benin traditional account finally finds its way to the dustbin. 2 Likes
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| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 9:19am On Jun 14, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:Finally, you couldn't muster a come back! Interesting!!I know it's a difficult one seeing your child-hood indoctrinations fall apart like a pack of cards before your own very eyes. The very comment you 'cancelled out' (due to your admitted incapacitation) contains the very answers, clarifications, and refutations, to your attachments. Good news is, it is already out there on the interent just as the several greatly detailed ones that I have writting before it on this same thread. Your lines over it is ineffectual in preventing the people from reading the actual comment and then realizing the falsehood of oft-repeated Benin propaganda. But anything that helps you sleep at night though. Finally, when are you going to reply the several other that you fled completely from without uttering any word (sensible or not)?? 2 Likes
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| Culture › Re: Is This True About Yorubas by TAO12: 5:39am On Jun 14, 2020 |
gregyboy:Just like Oba Ewuare, Ekaladerhan and others? 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Is This True About Yorubas by TAO12: 1:30am On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 3:26am On Jun 15, 2020 |
gregyboy:Just as Oduduwa et al's. However, that's not the point here (which you raised) gayboy. The point remains, who witnessed your Ekaladerhan et al? /s |
| Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 1:09am On Jun 14, 2020*. Modified: 5:55am On Jun 14, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:First of all, your silence in response to my refutation of your position (of a supposed 'conquest' of Lagos, and of Ashipa's supposed Bini indigenship) is interestingly deafening. You appear to have either ran out of means to spin my analysis, or you've conceded to have been unfortunately long-misled into ingesting a mis-interpretation of history, hook, line and sinker without hesitation and scrutiny. In any case, it is my pleasure to have helped you eventually outgrow the childhood indoctrination force-fed to you along the lines that the Binis settled in Lagos via some conquest that established an Edo dynasty there. Having said that, I should add some word of light to the self-inflicted delusions that you've been lately clouded with in relation to the remittances to Benin, etc. which resulted from the alliance -- with the foreign (Benin) government -- initiated by the Isheri prince and to-be-founder of the new Lagos dynasty, Ashipa. It is important that I make it clear that the context of your use of the word "brainwashed" is not only farfetched but also pain-induced. To brainwash another party is to have initiated some "mischief". In the light of this consideration and in the light of your pettiness, it will appear then that Ashipa brainwashed the Benin government (and not the other way round), as there is not a single account which speaks of the Benin government initiating the alliance with him. However, the reality is that there is in fact no "mischief" from either side of the alliance -- the Lagos side or the Benin side -- except the one in your poor little mind. Lol. Ashipa -- a contending Awori prince (and his party) -- allied with Benin government for support at the outset of the 'Lagos' succession tussle. Other eligible Awori princes must have also sought similar supports from elsewhere. The Ashipa alliance obviously emerged triumphant over the other(s). Naturally, such alliances and supports obviously do not come without treaties of commitments from the parties involved. One of such commitments is evident in the fact that annual remittances were made to the Benin government. Another is evident in the fact that the newly formed Lagos dynasty did not have the need for its own home-grown standing military in the course of its history. As opposed to the imagery you are desperate to portray, such ties that continued between the Lagos dynasty and the Benin government was, rather than a parasitic relationship, reminiscent of symbiosis & diplomacy as well as maternal ancestry. I hope I have been able to finally absolve you from the shackles and dungeon of Igodomigodo. But in any case, the aplication your submitted before me for Lagos indigenship has been torn, crushed, burnt and trashed. cc: RuggedSniper, MetaPhysical, lawani, gomojam, babtoundey, Moneywomen17, sesan85 2 Likes
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| Culture › Re: Is This True About Yorubas by TAO12: 5:13pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
gregyboy:Just as Ekeladerhan, Eweka, Ewure, et al. Who witnessed them? |
| Culture › Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO12: 5:07pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
gregyboy: 1 Like |
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