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Etinosa1234:
But talk true...this thin pain u Sha...nor cry
Doubtful account because it talks about ur village... lemme see ur own page 73 of u are really sure

The Lagos account (which differs from the Benin account in a number of important respects) maintains that the first settling of the Binis in Lagos was achieved by a peaceful infiltration [just like the other groups who were also attracted by the booming trade along the coast of Lagos] and not by conquest.

This Lagos account was clearly spelt out in your own attachment from Robert Smith’s “The Kingdoms of the Yoruba”. I am shocked (irony. Lol) that you didn’t see it. Robert Smith notes on same page 73 that:

“The impression given by Lagos tradition is that this was achieved by peaceful infiltration rather than by conquest”.

This Lagos account of the peaceful migration/settling of the Binis in Lagos is also echoed by Professor S.A. Akintoye on page 221 of his “A History of the Yoruba People” as follows:

“By the late sixteenth century, owing to the growth of the coastal lagoon trade, Lagos and the other small Awori settlements had come to have a sizeable resident population of Ijebu, Benin, Ilaje, Ikale, Owo, Egba, Egbado, Aja and Ijaw traders.”


(2) Regarding your second attachment (which is interestingly anonymous. Lol), I am sorry to break your heart that the account of a “quarrel” between the Awori people and a certain Aina, who sought redress from Benin is at best interesting, but at worst in fact unfounded either in the Lagos account or in the Benin account. It is simply a spurious account for its lacking of basis in any of the two kingdoms’ accounts – Lagos or Benin.

(a) Moreover, unlike your anonymous author claimed in this second attachment, the specific origin of the name “Eko” is not known by historians with any certainty. Robert Smith, in the same book on page 72, puts it as follows:

“Its names reflect its past; to the Yoruba it is Eko, deriving probably from the farm (oko) of the earliest settlers, though alternatively – or additionally – it may be the Bini word (eko) for a war-camp.”

At this point, it is already known that the Binis (who, among others, later came to settle in Lagos) pitched their war-camp on one of the islands during the eruptions of trade conflicts in Lagos between the Benins (and some of the other non-Awori resident trading groups) on one hand, and the Aworis on the other hand.

Also, it is known that the Yorubas -- in addition to the word “farm” -- also use the word “oko” to signify the word “countryside” (i.e. the then Lagos in relation to the then grander city of Ife from where the first settlers, the Aworis, originally came).

In the light of these two historical realities, the most logical deduction obviously is that the present name “Eko” is no more than a phono-semantic matching of the Yoruba word for countryside and the Edo word for war-camp, rather than simply one and only one of the two.

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Etinosa1234:
But talk true...this thin pain u Sha...nor cry
Doubtful account because it talks about ur village... lemme see ur own page 73 of u are really sure

Warning!!! The following comments will require you to make use of your brain. Thank you.

A Benin youth saw the word “perhaps” in his own attachment, yet he insists that this word is used to express “certainty” rather than “doubt”. Sighs!

Whosoever has been charged with the responsibility of teaching you the English language must be sued for damages immediately. Get your refund now!

However, in case you are partially amnesiac, refer again to the link below for my refutation which shows how Robert Smith himself indicates that the said account of the Binis is doubtful:

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/13#90516812


(1) Having said that, your highlighted allusion to the “account of Josua Ulsheimer, who visited Lagos in 1603” is in fact “corroborative” as Robert Smith has rightfully noted on the same page of your attachment.

Notice that the Benin “military camp” alluded to in that account is not the whole of the then Lagos itself, but only one specific parcel of one of the islands – a specific section of Iddo to be precise.

The maximum logical inference any sane mind will deduce from this is that there was indeed some ongoing conflict in Lagos at the time Ulseimer visited; and that the Binis (who have settled in Lagos as an immigrant trading group long before Ulseimer’s visit) were an active participant in this conflict.

To draw the strange conclusion that this clear statement (from Ulsheimer’s account) relates otherwise to some land-grabbing military conquest and colonization expedition by some foreign element (Binis) is not only laughably far-fetched and unfounded; it is also, in fact, expressive of a desperate attempt by certain insecure Bini Nairalanders to become a Lagosian by hook or by crook. Lol.

I have, in fact, stated already in an earlier comment (citing same Smith’s account on Asheru’s death, page 74 to be precise) that Lagos during this period was characterized [not only by lots of trade, but also] by lots of conflicts and skirmishes in which the Binis [among other immigrant trading groups such as the Ijebu, the Ilaje, the Ikale, the Owo, the Egba, the Egbado, the Aja, and the Ijaw] were active participants.

At this point, it has become clear -- to anyone who has even a grain of sanity -- that there is not an atom of disagreement between this allusion to Ulsheimer’s account, and the narrative I have been defending from the beginning that the oft-repeated Benin account of conquest and colonization of Lagos is not corroborated by the Lagos account, neither is it corroborated by any extant eyewitness account.

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gomojam:
don't kill me.

gomojam:
Damn! For their lives, any day them hear ordnary stammerer dey say "T T T T T T T," them go don pick race b4 them know say na "TOGETHER" the stammerer wan call, no be TAO12 or TAO11.

You have battered them to that level my amiable scholar.

Hahahahahaha!

Just kill me!

LegendHero:
Benin self Dey claim developer.

Nothing wey person no go see for Nairaland.

I swear! Everyone wants a piece of Lagos.

Set awon developers. Set awon Lagosian wanna-be.

Lol

davidnazee:
[s]Wow.. so Mighty Benin chased the Aworis (TAO11 tribe) from the sandy dustinbin settlement near to ocean to Isheri, chased them from Isheri to Iddo and from iddo chased them into near extinction.. no wonder TAO11 hates Benin Kingdom..
As early as the 16th century Benin Kingdom had Europeans enlisted in its army as regular soldiers.

In TAO11 little mind these Europeans were fighting alongside thousands of stark naked Benin soldiers lol.[/s]

At least the guy you're quoting pretended to be providing evidence -- an "evidence" which was used to disgrace him anyways.

What is your own "evidence"? Set awon Logosian wanna-be.

You must be a die-hard fan of repeating a lie many times to make it stick without evidence obviously.

gregyboy:
[s]That oduduwa was just a diety peculiar to the ife people and not the entire yoruba race,and that samuel johnson happens to be the first yoruba historian who trace all yorubas ancestors to ife inother to unite them after the yoruba civil war he witnessed, and that oduduwa historically existed as a diety and not human but rather a diety worshiped by the ife people[/s]

Eeerrm ...Mr Edeyoung, I fail to see the evidence for your 'junky' statements.

Do yourself the favour of substantiating your claim (e.g. with an attachment that supports it) -- and also reference such attachment accordingly.

Cheers!

davidnazee:
[s]Are u denying that Great and powerful Benin Kingdom conquered the Awori settlement and absorbing it into the larger colony of Eko established by Benin Kingdom??

You have been told to provide just one proof that Benin Kingdom did not conquer Awori and established Lagos, you are now speaking in tongues.[/s]

At least Etinosa pretended to be providing evidence for his claim -- although he was ultimately dealt with and disgraced.

You need to read these comments with your eyes open to see where I proved my case and proved him wrong.

But at least he did a better job than you, as he -- at least -- pretended to be presenting something as evidence.

But for you, you would rather dwell on repition.

Don't worry after repeating your claim 500 times, it will be automatically believed by everyone. I promise!

Etinosa1234:
Obviously Benin lost wars

in fact Benin Empire became a shadow of itself in the 19th century

No one is invincible

davidnazee:
Benin did not loose any war only the war against the British. There’s no account of Benin loosing any war. Loosing a battle doesn’t mean the war itself was lost.

In Benin vs Owo, Benin Kingdom was badly defeated and beaten black & blue.

Guess what! This defeat of Benin by Owo happened on two separate occasions accross centuries.

Go educate yourself on what led to the death of the then Benin military commander named Iken.

Etinosa1234:
Why are u running.. don't u know how to summarise a page...

If u can't Understand the picture there, then just rest...

The page is clearly numbered no 73...and it corroborates my claims...

pls provide me with evidence that Benin never defeated ur forefathers

Etinosa1234:
In case u nor see am well

Hahaha, desperate Lagosian wanna-be.

(1) First of all, please be aware that your Wikipedia quotation (fraudulently attributed to Robert Smith's "Kingdoms of the Yoruba" ) is not found on the said page or on any other page for that matter.

(2) For some strange reasons, you Binis are fond of presenting the very screenshots that refute you. Lol.

Looking at your highlighted portion of the screenshot, only four aspects relate to Benin as follows:

(a) The part which makes it clear that the Binis ultimately agreed to settle in Lagos peacefully after their many failed attacks.

In fact, as will be seen on another page of the same book, after settling in peacefully for years (as agreed), the Binis (and other migrants) resumed conflict against their host (the Aworis), thus leading to the slaughter of the Benin military commander, Asheru.

(b) The part where the author states (by his use of "perhaps") that the Benin account -- which claims that the Binis settled after outflanking the Lagosians -- was a doubtful account.

(c) The part where the author states (by his use of "perhaps") that the Benin account -- which claims that the Aworis' spread to Iddo (and other places) was due to the ambitions of Benin on the mainland -- was also a doubtful account.

(d) The part where the author states that the supposed control of Lagos -- supposedly by a certain "Oba Orhogba of Benin" -- was merely according to Benin traditions -- different from the Lagos account itself.

Having shown how your attachment disgraces you, I will be giving you a second chance to try harder.

See you, Lagosian wanna-be.

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Etinosa1234:
read the second paragraph and tell me....

how e dey do u for body

I have the whole book long ago.

Yet I cant find your Wikipedia words on the said page 73 or anywhere else for that matter .

Do you mind writing it out? Don't be scared little one.

Etinosa1234:
[s]loool...at Least the book was posted there...and that was what it said...
..The writer sef was neither Yoruba nor Benin so I'll believe what he said is correct lmao

u seem so pained that u are going to do everything in ur fingers to play down the great Benin kingdom

Oya post ur own source that Lagos was not conquered by the oba of Benin...Abi dem never release that book[/s]

Nope! No the book was not "posted" anywhere.

Only the reference to it was given. And it turned out that the reference was spurious.

You seem to be naive about how Wikipedia works.

It's an open free encyclopaedia where any Bini illiterate like you go into, write whatever comes to their mind, and fraudulently refernece Robert Smith as their source.

Am I really having a discussion with a baby whose ultimate authority is Wikipedia??

What happened to quoting the words of Robert Smith himself??

Etinosa1234:
Refer... refer refer...nor be say u dey do loom for here

Ohk since my contradiction is bad or has loopholes

(1) Oya prove to me that Lagos was not conquered by Benin...Abi... source nor dey for that one....

Keep fighting for the aworis ...On Nairaland lmao

(2) meanwhile Don't change the subject...Old Europeans documented history has confirmed that In the 16th century, the Awori settlement was conquered by the Benin Empire and the island became a Benin war-camp called "Eko" under Oba Orhogbua, the Oba of Benin at the time
U can find it in Smith, Robert Sydney (1988). Kingdoms of the Yoruba (3 ed.). University of Wisconsin Press . p. 73.

(1) Why not you prove that Benin Kingdom was not conquered by Ibadan or Nupe?

But I will demonstrate my case after your failure to demonstrate yours. Just be patient we're getting there.

(2) Except that your bold is not found in Robert Smith's "Kingdoms of the Yoruba".

But it is found intact on Wikipedia though

Etinosa1234:
But how does it feel to be defeated by pple that are less developed and are still walking naked

Lol at the bolded...they both existed.. the latter
being the father of the former..Due to unclear info, oba orhorgbua is believed to be the one who treated ur father's fuvkup while naked


Don't change the subject...Old Europeans documented history has confirmed that In the 16th century, the Awori settlement was conquered by the Benin Empire and the island became a Benin war-camp called "Eko" under Oba Orhogbua, the Oba of Benin at the time

U can find it in Smith, Robert Sydney (1988). Kingdoms of the Yoruba (3 ed.). University of Wisconsin Press . p. 73.


I didn't make it up ... believe me

My Little contradiction doesn't change the fact that ur forefathers were ransacked out of their home...

We even put a king there for u lmaooo

YoRuBa kInG oF BeNin but ur own oba has Benin heritage lmaooooo

Your "little contradiction" . Lagaosian wanna-be will not kill me.

Refer to the link below for the full refutation of your defeated repitition and your Wikipedia copy and paste which is not found in Robert Smith's work :

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/12#90512022

gregyboy:
More

Thank you for finally succumbing and coming out as Edeyoung with your "More".

"Edeyoung" started the screenshoting about Olokun from Edo blog, he promised to return with more, and suddenly "gregyboy" returns with the promised "more".



Anyways, I'm glad you're continuing to prove that the Edos worship Olokun -- the Yoruba deity.

But I still do not accept you screenshot from Edo blog which you've been fraudulently pushing (under your "Edeyoung" moniker) as an academic material.

Thank you, thank you.

Etinosa1234:
(1) Lol..So Lagos was more developed than other tribes prior to colonialism lmao...

(2) Tell me another thing that I dont know

(3) Well...I don't want us to deviate from the fact that The Awori were subjugated, defeated, and relegated to their backyard in their own house

Since then...A certain Tao said that the Benin will not have peace until she finally gets her revenge..

On Nairaland

(1) Yes! At least more developed than the Edos who were still roaming stark n@ked without shame in as recent as the early-1900s.

Refer to the 1st attachment from page 24 of H.L. Roth(1903).

(2) I mean, there are many things you don't know, but an interesting one which I would love to highlight for you is the following from page 103 of H.L Roth(1903):

"Lieut. King found that “the king can sell his subjects when convicted of crime, or when they have incurred his displeasure." The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people are free, but are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons the king claimed male children, widows and slaves belonging to deceased subjects; he could hardly get much more, so that the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, and those who were not to the king were so to their chiefs."

Please note that the Yoruba King of Benin wouldn't have considered you Edos as slaves if he was truly an Edo like you all.

Moreover, he has the right of royal abuse to sacrifice any of you his slaves to Yoruba gods of Benin as is seen in the 2nd attachment.

(3) Refer to my comment found at the link below for refutation:

https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90502447

Also refer to my point (2a) at my comment found at the link below:

hhttps://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity/12#90501582

Etinosa1234:
(1) Don't worry.... we know go follow u argue again...

(2) We've seen that threads abt Benin makes u come quicker than expected...

(3) Little Wonder why all 546 post of urs is all about the Benin kingdom...

(4) u must be so obsessed abt us

(5) Lets not forget the fact that The Awori were defeated by the Benin during the reign of Oba Erhengbuda and a certain Tao is looking for a source that says otherwise lmao

(1) Your comment here reminds me of the funny 'audio-meme' which says: "Why are you running?".

(2) Everything about you Edos seem to be about se.x.

But I understand why. Many, many centuries of shameless dick and boobs swinging by men and women in the Edo country is sufficient enough to alter your brains' configurations.

(3) This is only one of my four Nairaland accounts (and they are all well know to belong to me).

I am just putting this out there in case you're really bent on delivering your Benin Kingdom from my grip of historical scrutiny.

(4) I am obsessed with disgracing liars --no matter who they are. No wonder you said I'm obsessed about you.

(5) First, you need to make up your mind on whether or not Benin Kingdom was truly ruled by two different kings at the same time -- the so-called "Oba Erhengbuda" and the so-called "Oba Orghogbua".

The inherent contradiction in your account contributes to the evidence of glaring fabrication of your false and distorted Benin narrative of conquest.

Learn to make up your mind the next time.

Etinosa1234:
(1) Lol... Historians have already found out that the name eko is of Benin origin meaning camp

But a certain Tao is saying it was a corrupted word lmao ...

(2) The Bini were obviously attracted there and we came, we saw and we conquered ur fathers ...

less than 400 yrs later...A certain Yoruba gal that seems aggrieved for her forefathers loss is trying to rewrite history through Nairaland looool

(3) By the way... According to Williams Lizzie (2008). Nigeria: The Bradt Travel Guide . Bradt Travel Guides. p. 110...In the 16th century, the Awori settlement was conquered by the Benin Empire and the island became a Benin war-camp called "Eko" under Oba Orhogbua, the Oba of Benin at the time

(4) Also Smith, Robert Sydney (1988). Kingdoms of the Yoruba (3 ed.). University of Wisconsin Press . p. 73. also confirms this...

(5) The name Eko shows Bini origins but a certain emotional Nairaland claims that the name was a corrupted word...

Nor cry u hear...God wee do it for u

(1) You and which historian found this? Please give us your colleagues names with quotation.

When I typed the words "phono-semantic matching", I actually suspected that it will prove difficult for you to grapple with, and you didn't disappoint. A smart person would have read up.

(2) The only conquering in "history" is that in which the Edos were subjugated to slaves, by the Ife royalty, till date.

Anyways, refer to my comment found at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90502447

Also refer to my point (2a) at my comment found at the link below:

hhttps://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity/12#90501582

(3) By the way you didn't get those from the author you've falsely atttibuted them to, rather you lifted that off from WiKiPedIa word-for-word.

You just exposed yourself to be a gutter junk Bini illiterate considering your Wikipedia-level crude argumentation.

Anyways, do some reading and return here to inform us about the actual content of your author, Williams Lizzie.

(4) Also, feel free to type out what Robert Smith said in his "Kingdoms of the Yoruba". I look forward to seeing that. Hopefully this time you will quote the author himself.

(5) Yes, all Edo Lagosian wannabe say this, but unfortunately for you, the name Eko does NOT show Benin origin as you hope.

And sadly for you, I am a Lagosian, while you are a Lagosian wanna-be. I'm already living your dream. Set awon land grabbers.

Etinosa1234:
(1) Lol..I never said Benin developed Lagos..
I said it was the work of the whole nation esp as it was the former capital of Nigeria

(2) In other news the aworis were once subdued by the Benin during the time of oba erhengbuda...since then the Benin have had to contend with the anger of Tao12 as she prepares to get her revenge


On Nairaland lmao

(1) I am glad you humbly activated your denial mode. Lagos' development is a process which began in ancient times by the owners -- the Aworis.

No wonder they've been attracting migrants, since ancient times, from all over.

(2) Refer to my point (2a) at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity/12#90501582

Also refer to my comment at the following link:

https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90502447

Cheers!

davidnazee:
[s]Lilliputs talking trash again..
Edo people weren't wearing clothes till the 19th century and the same naked Edo poeple conquered and ruled your ancestors for over 500years up till the 19th century.. Was it the naked big balls of my ancestors that scared your weak ancestors??[/s]

That your Edo fore-parents (as adults) were largely raoming the streets shamelessly n@ked even in as recent as the early 1900s is a historical fact.

Moreover, when we checked history for evidence of your fantasy of of conquest, we found absolutely nothing.

What we found instead are contrary facts as follows:

(1) That Ife had imperial dominance over your 2by2 Benin Kingdom.

(2) That Ibadan, Ijesa, Owo, Otun-Ekiti, et al. all slaughtered Benin Kingdom for fun at different times.

(3) That the Yoruba language was imposed on Benin Kingdom as its lingua-franca.

(4) That Edos must continue to worship and adore many Yoruba gods.

(5) That all Edos are slaves of the Yoruba Oba of Benin, and these Edos (aka slaves) are beheaded and crucified annually to appease Yoruba gods at Benin Kingdom.

(6) That the Yorubas clothed your fore-parents' n@kedness through their manufactured products popularly known as "cloth for Benin.

And many more!

Historical evidence have been adduced at different times for each of these claims already.

Let me know which one of them you would like to see evidence for again.

Cheers!

davidnazee:
[s]Bro no need to argue with lilliputs..
It's common knowledge that Olokun was founded in Ughoton by Oba Ewuare the great...[/s]

Yet your Oba Ewuare forgot to give it an Edo name after he "founded" it.

davidnazee:
[/b]

[s]Why do you always like to paint history with deceptive colours?
The Aworis were settled only on one of the islands that makes up present day Lagos.. Vast parts of present Lagos Islands were unhabited, owned by nobody. The Edo warriors came, subdued the Aworis on their island and established military garrisons on the other unhabited Islands. These military posts also served as camps for many Edo traders. These camps grew into settlements which absorbed the other original Awori settlement.

Other Yoruba tribes like the Ijebus began to migrate to Lagos after it was a thriving town thanks to Benin Kingdom which was already ruling Lagos.
The yoruba tribes migration to Lagos was mainly due to the wars and conflicts plaging Yorubalands.. Lagos serves as a place of refuge for the migrants many of whom settled on Lagos mainland and under the protaction of Benin Kingdom.[/s]

You are beginning to sound deranged as usual.

Aworis settled all across Lagos. Iddo, Isheri, Iru, Ibeju, parts of Epe, Ketu, Ikeja, Ipakodo in Ikorodu, among many other places along Lagos coast and inland.

You've been understood to be a clown. You're only seeking how to put your self to sleep tonight.

And again for all your other claims here:

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"

-- Hitchens' Razor by Christopher Hitchens.

RuggedSniper:
@TAO12... Ahaa! My gut feeling and Sherlock Holmes instincts are right about your aristocratic lineages to Ife and Iddo/Lagos Islands via Ota/Isheri. Awesome stuff! Yup... I've got roots in the West side too. Did you know that 'Olu317' on NL is also from a royal line in Ife? You may both wish to link up on NL. I will ask you 2 questions here about the full etymology of Eko (pepper farm?... the war camp wikipedia definition is far-fetched), and if Iruland (Victoria island) is owned by the Awori-Yoruba or the Ijebu-Yoruba. Last but not least, thanks again for your brilliant reply.

Yes oo, emi l'omo k'a f'okpa wa, k'a f'aje wa, k'a f'ogede-gede owo wa oko de Isheri Olofin.

Yeah, I believe so about Olu. But that bro is a die- hard Hebrew wanna-be for interesting reasons.

The name "Eko" seem to me to be a phono-semantic matching of Yoruba and Edo from the earlier original Yoruba name of the "Lagos" settlement, "Oko".

Talking about ownership, as far as the historical evidence is concerned, the "Lagos" region was first settled by the Aworis.

No doubt some Binis, Ijebus, and others who later came to be attracted there for trade purposes, did become absorbed.

davidnazee:
(1)Poor you... even online your frustration is glaring..yes "Lilliput" is my latest vocabulary for you. It describes your level of reasoning..

(2) Which of my claims are you conquering?

(a) That Benin Kingdom subdued and subjugated the Aworis (your tribe)? That Benin Kingdom relegated Aworis (your tribe) to the background?

(b) That the Aworis (your tribe) are now an extinct group?

(3) please which of these claims are you conquering?

(1) Good for you for just stumbling upon the word "Lilliput" recently. I have since learnt of how it perfectly mirrors the original ancestors of the Edos.

(2) The same ones I just conquered. See them again for emphasis.

(a) "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"

-- Hitchens' Razor by Christopher Hitchens.

(b)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-cG1nC8fM

(3) They've just been re-stated for emphasis.

davidnazee:
Lilliput, nobody cares about yoruba or awori roots (just as British colonial masters didn't care about African roots when conquering).

We conquered and colonized all of your ancestors for over 500 years.. That is what matters..

I ask again: Is "Lilliput", the latest addition to your vocabulary bank? Does it remind you of your autochthonous ancestors?

No, that video was meant to disgrace you for your ignorant statement that Awori is "an extinct group".

No, the only thing that was conquered and colonized is your Edo unsubstatiable lies -- including the one about Lagos which I'm conquering and colonizing at the moment.

If Oba of Benin visits Lagos, I bet the Oba of Lagos will give his throne to the Oba of Benin to sit on out of respect.. But if your Ooni visits he will be given a joko to simbe on... lol..

Looks like your lies weren't effective in helping to put you to sleep. May be your fantasies will anyways.

Etinosa1234:
Bro...have u ever wondered why Tao is seen on any nairaland thread that talks abt Benin history

This is because "Aworis (your tribe) were subdued and subjugated by Benin kingdom and relegated to the background"..

I guess she is still waiting for father Columbine to state that it never happened...lmao

I can understand why you hate the innocent French Father and why his name stuck.

Anyways, keep reading along!

davidnazee:
There you go again Lilliput..
I didn't make up any claim.. It's all over historical archives and you can read it easily on the internet (which you know already) that "Aworis (your tribe) were subdued and subjugated by Benin kingdom and relegated to the background"... only a Lilliput will say I made it up..

Which historical archive?

Remeber how I once disgraced one of your brothers when he though this lie will pass through me?

Like I said, if an unsubstantiable claim gives you the needed peace to be able to sleep, by all means go ahead.

The undeniable substantiable historical fact, however, is of Ife's ascendancy over your 2by2 kingdom.

Let's not even go again into how your 2by2 kingdom was slaughtered for fun by Ibadan, Ilesa, Isan, Nupe, Igbo, and countless others.

Hold on! Is "Lilliput" the latest addition to your vocabulary bank?

Does it remind you of the aboriginal settlers of your Edo land? -- Ivbirinwineko.

davidnazee:
(1) Aworian shut up..

(2) You guys are even an extinct group sef (courtesy of Benin Kingdom).

(3) which lagos did you develop?

(1) Listen up Oh ye Edo slave of the Yoruba Oba of Benin, I don't mind that you struggle to spell Awori correctly. I am not expecting too much from a dyslexiac though.

(2) See embedded video of the Aworis of Lagos and Ogun States paying homage to Oba Ogunwusi at their root -- Ile-Ife:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-cG1nC8fM

(3) The same Lagos of your dreams.

Cheers!

davidnazee:
You are frustrated again.. Don't be angry, I was only summarizing the paternal side of your history for you..
"The Aworis were subdued and subjugated by Benin Kingdom and relegated to the background".. This is your history for you..

I am glad you didn't deny being a loyal slave of the Yoruba Oba of Benin.

Having said that, thick-skulled Binis can hardly differentiate between making an empty dead claim and proving such claim.

Lad, these two are not one and the same thing.

But if seeing them as one and the same thing helps you sleep at night, by all means feel free to go ahead.

Etinosa1234:
Its not like u guys developed Lagos yourselves..

Work of a whole country plus colonial masters.... Na only Yoruba dey claim am...Lol

Since the source of ur frustration toward the Benin pple has been known...I wish u well..lmao

Keep fighting for the aworis the only way u can

On Nairaland ..lmao

Oh okay, now you've agreed that Lagos is more developed than your Benin of stench and blood.

The Aworis singlehandedly developed Lagos since time immemorial (before Europeans and before Nigeria) to have green pastures seeker flocking in from everywhere -- even from as far away as outside of today's Nigeria.

LegendHero has disgraced you all on your jealous claim of contributing to Lagos' development.

Set awon developers.

Etinosa1234:
No one dreams to be a lagosian...

That place Na advanced slum

Don't speak for your brothers!

They wannabe Lagosians so bad.

Set awon land grabbers.

RuggedSniper:
Brilliant! What is the Facebook link of the attached picture above of the Ooni and Ada used in Ife royalty? 2nd, are you from Ife royalty?... Because you seem to know so much. Cc: TAO11

I'm not sure where he got the picture from. I'm only use his own picture to drive home my own point.

My mother is an Ife princess whose ancestry traces directly; through Ife princes, princeses, and kings; back to Ooni Lajamisan.

She travels home to her Akodi in Ife at some intervals for periodic meetings especially at the outset of the ascension of Ooni Ogunwusi.

Moreover, I am myself of Awori descent paternally -- so it goes back through Olofin Ogunfunminire of Lagos back to Ife again.

Genealogy is a very complex web anyways. It goes all over the place. I am, however, proud to have sufficient awareness of the many Yoruba Kingdoms that I am connected with.


What about you? Are you Yoruba?

ayoola27:
(1) Nobody dey follow u quarrel Na..

(2) Time done reach make u go sleep

(3) Abi Na fvck dey hungry u like dis...

(4) U dey argue like person wey nor get work...as u don talk ur mind...go withdraw am for access bank Na
mtcheew

(1) Thank you for been secure and matured enough to admit that Yoruba language was the lingua-franca of Benin Kingdom.

(2) What makes you think I live on your side of the world?

Where I live, it's only 8:15 PM right now as I type. And the day is still quite bright as it's roughly Summer already.

(3) Na! I just finished doing that barely 20 minutes before I saw your comment now. So, I ain't horngry. Thank you.

(4) After doing (3), I am actually set to complete some of my assigned work deliverables, from home obviously. Earning myself the $$$$.

Cheers!

ayoola27:
So what's ur point?

Did I say anything else...

I'm just pointing out the fact that..He believes Benin spoke Yoruba at one period because it was written by a European but refuses to believe that slavery already existed in Africa even when it was said by a European...

Abeg don't disturb me

Okay, thank you for admitting point blank, without mincing words, that Benin Kingdom did indeed use Yoruba language as its lingua-franca as attested by the documentation of the visiting French Father in the year 1640.

Cheers!