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babtoundey:Flesh & Blood did not reveal these to you.
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MetaPhysical:Hahaha! |
gregyboy:Your hero (whom you admitted as such) ran away. Are you claiming to be greater than your professed hero?? ![]() |
gregyboy:If you push me to the edge, I will present even more damaging evidence to expose you as one and the same person. gregyboy:Now, you've just pushed me. >: Lol. (1) The following link relates to a thread you [as "gregyboy"] created on May 18 at 6:38 PM https://www.nairaland.com/5866543/identify-benin-greetings-here#89693577 [See 1st attached screenshot also for evidence that you created this thread]. (2) As expected, your second moniker ["Edeyoung"] was not cc:ied because at that time you were still acting naturally, as there was no need to copy yourself. ![]() [See 1st attached screenshot for evidence for this]. (3) (i) The thread was meant to be an invitation [from "gregyboy"] to all Edos/Binis to identify their native dialectal Edo forms of greeting. (ii) You [as "gregyboy"] identified your native dialectal form of greeting. [See 1st attached screenshot for evidence of this]. (iii) In fact, other Edos/Binis who commented on the thread all follwed suit and identified thier own native dialectal forms too -- except for one Edo/Bini monker who commented but didn't identify. Lol. (v) This Edo/Bini account (who failed to identify) goes by the moniker "Edeyoung". [See 2nd attached screenshot for this]. Could it be that Edeyoung didn't really pay attention to see the topic of the thread?? Lol. Well, the context of his comment doesn't seem to support this suggestion. [See 2nd attached screenshot for this]. (vi) Oh wait a minute! Could it be that the person behind "Edeyoung" has already identified his native greeting under a different moniker ["gregyboy"], and was simply unintentionally submitting to natural psychological inclinations?? ![]() (vii) As at now, Edeyoung's comment is the only comment on that thread from that moniker. It is also the last comment on that thread. [See 2nd attached screenshot for this]. (viii) Let's hope that after reading this, you will go back to that thread and make up some random native dialectal Edo greeting for Edeyoung. ![]() Cheers! cc: babtoundey, MetaPhysical
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gregyboy:Nobody takes Edo blogs seriously anyways. |
gregyboy:This Benin account is contradicted by both the Lagos account, and the earliest European eyewitness report. |
gregyboy:Your hero ran away after being crushed and trashed. Who will now save Benin Kingdom? I heard you all are still in the search for another Edo hero to face TAO.
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gregyboy:I already told that if I got your time, then your own don kpuf be dat ![]()
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gregyboy:Edo blogs? ![]() |
gregyboy:Now, you've just pushed me. >: Lol. (1) The following link relates to a thread you [as "gregyboy"] created on May 18 at 6:38 PM https://www.nairaland.com/5866543/identify-benin-greetings-here#89693577 [See also 1st attached screenshots for evidence that you created this thread]. (2) As expected, your second moniker ["Edeyoung"] was not cc:ied because at that time you were still acting naturally, as there was no need to copy yourself. ![]() [See 1st attached screenshot for evidence for this]. (3) (i) The thread was meant to be an invitation [from "gregyboy"] to all Edos/Binis to identify their native dialectal Edo forms of greeting. (ii) You [as "gregyboy"] identified your native dialectal form of greeting. [See 1st attached screenshot for evidence of this]. (iii) In fact, other Edos/Binis who commented on the thread all follwed suit and identified thier own native dialectal forms too -- except for one Edo/Bini monker who commented but didn't identify[/b]. Lol. (v) This Edo/Bini account (who failed to identify) goes by the moniker "Edeyoung". [See 2nd attached screenshot for this]. Could it be that Edeyoung didn't really pay attention to see the topic of the thread?? Lol. Well, the context of his comment doesn't seem to support this suggestion. [See 2nd attached screenshot for this]. (vi) Oh wait a minute! Could it be that the person behind "Edeyoung" has already identified his native greeting under a different moniker ["gregyboy"], and was simply unintentionally submitting to natural psychological inclinations?? ![]() (vii) As at now, Edeyoung's comment is the only comment on that thread from that moniker. It is also the last comment on that thread. [See 2nd attached screenshot for this]. (viii) Let's hope that after reading this, you will go back to that thread and make up some random native dialectal Edo greeting for Edeyoung. ![]() Cheers!
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gregyboy:If you push me to the edge, I will present even more damaging evidence to expose you as one and the same person. |
babtoundey:Dont mind that boy. He is just "dump". ![]()
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gregyboy:You're going in circles now perhaps because the issue I've been putting forward is way bigger than you. ![]() The account about a certain Aina is even spurious. In order words, it doesn't belong to the official traditional account of either Benin or Lagos. Moreover, even if we pretend it does, the problem still remains that its theme does not gel with the earliest eyewitness report -- Ulsheimer (1603). This report indicates that the Binis have settled in Lagos pre-1603, and as such the conflict it talks about can not possibly be an imperial attempt to settle in Lagos and take it. Moreover, the historical fact of the early begginings of European trade on the coast of Lagos (pre-1600) is an obvious corroboration to the beginnings of Benin's presence (an active participant in the coastal trade) in the region pre-1600. This is true for many other immigrant groups too apart from Benin. The foregoing consideration of these two facts (i.e. the report of Ulsheimer(1603) and the early beginnings of European trade in Lagos) supports the aspect of the Lagos traditional account (and not the Benin traditional account) which holds that the settling in of the Binis et al. in Lagos [pre-1600s] was via a peaceful infiltration -- trade. This same consideration also supports another aspect of the Lagos traditional account which holds that the [post-1600 ] conflicts in Lagos [one of which Ulsheimer(1603) talks about] relates simply to trade-induced violence. Furthermore, while there is nothing in Ulsheimer's(1603) report about the first king of Lagos being a Bini; linguistic clues ("Ashipa" ) indicate that the first king of Lagos is of Yoruba descent. Moreover, an independent 1920s non-Yoruba and non-Bini account also confirms this about Ashipa being a Yoruba royalty from Isheri. In addition to these, the custom of burying the kings' heads in Lagos and their remaining body in Benin although suggests connection with Benin (i.e. a maternal and a political connection as I have once shown), it does indeed confirm Lagos to be the paternal homeland of Lagos kings. And the Benin traditional account finally finds its way to the dustbin. |
Etinosa1234:(1) His account is, at least, the earliest independent account which positively confirms this detail of one of the two traditional accounts -- that is, of the Lagos traditional account. Can you bring me any independent account which is earlier or around the same time as Allan Burns which says that Ashipa is not Yoruba but Bini?? (2) Your question goes: "What do you have to say...?" Yet you added, "just answer yes or no". Are you sure you're normal? ![]() Moreover, this question and others like it which you've repeatedly asked has been answered in details repeatedly. I'm not sure why you don't want to engage the response I gave, but would rather re-ask again thus creating a false impression that you didn't see the earlier responses. Attachments: 1st: The eyewitness account of Ulsheimer does not support this interpretation of the author of that attachment. Refer to my comment at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/20#90608096 2nd: This attachment has zero corroboration or confirmation to your Benin traditional account. 3rd: I have addressed this where I showed that it refutes your view that Ashipa is a Bini. It confirms my position that he is Yoruba. You just have to engage my reply to it and not simply pretend not to see it by bringing it up again. 4th: This has been addressed over and over. You need to stop pretending to be unaware that it's been addressed. What you should be doing at this point is to enagage the response I gave and raise reasonable contentions from it (if any). |
gregyboy:You will cry blood on this one. ![]() I'm glad you later agreed that he should be pitied for being stuck on this one. Your application for Lagos indigenship has been torn to pieces. I am set to even burn the pieces. Lagosian wanna-bes. |
gregyboy:Lagos has had contact with the Portuguese as early as the 1400s when it was named Lago de Curamo. Just putting that out there. Moreover, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that Lagos was violently infiltrated and captured for royal conquest by the Binis. In which part of the account does it say that? Furthermore, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that an Edo man was imposed by Benin as king of Lagos. |
gregyboy:Nope! That was the so-called interview by Gabriel Omonhimin. And I have shown that this so-called interview is a made-up fraud by this Edo man (Gabriel Omonhimin) to whip up the emotion of gullible Edos like yourself. Refer to the following comment wherein I have already demonstrated this: *Having said that, even your link which was supposed to go to a one-to-one interview with Oba Akiolu shows that his supposed responses cannot possibly be from a one-to-one interview context. This is in light of the fact of the perfect lexis & structure of the responses, as well as their absolute lack of spontaneity. These observations are evidently anomalous to one-to-one interview responses. In fact, the delineation between the king’s supposed responses and the author’s own analyses was deliberately blurred. And the reason why the author engaged in all these foul-plays is not far-fetched at all. He is an Edo man – Gabriel Omonhimin.* |
gregyboy:The eyewitness account of Ulsheimer does not support this interpretation of the author of that attachment. Refer to my comment at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/20#90608096 |
gregyboy:(1) Yes! (2) What makes you believe that every knowledge you will acquire in life must come from me? (3) ![]() (4) ![]() (5) Why did you begin with "if"? Are you stylishly asking me what "Edoid" means? Can you explain what you mean by the phrase "Edoid genealogy" because such phrase is absurd and incoherent. It doesn't exist, and it's meaningless. (6) In order words, we can call him Mr "Very Slim"? And he will answer?? Attachment: The eyewitness account of Ulsheimer does not support this interpretation of the author of your attachment. Refer to my comment at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/20#90608096 |
gregyboy:I think you're dyslexic. Again I wrote Edoid not Edo. So the challenge is still there for you to meet below: Which of the following is Edoid:? Rilwan, Aremu, Osuolale, or Akiolu. |
Etinosa1234:And this too! cc: gregyboy
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Etinosa1234:Refer to the attached for your replies. I have broken them into chunks for you, so you won't have to give the excuse of it's long. Fell free to chose which part to read and focus on at any time "t". ![]() Good luck! cc: gregyboy
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gregyboy:You must first demonstrate that the criterion you requested is not as shitty as you yourself before you ask others to meet it. Your claim is that Benin and not Ife originally owned the royal emblems. You have to prove your own claim first. A picture or plaque showing the emblems proves absolutely nothing about your claim of original invention. I will be waiting on you. While waiting on you to get out of the trap you've set for yourself, be reminded that the Benin account makes it clear that the royal emblems were introduced to "Benin" by Ogiso Ere. However, we know from the works of the most prominent and prolific historian of Benin Kingdom alive -- D. M. Bondarenko -- that Ogiso Ere was an Ode-Yoruba sent from Ife to oversee the administration of "Benin". |
gregyboy:https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/14#90540671 |
gregyboy:You must first demonstrate that the criterion you requested is not as shitty as you yourself before you ask others to meet it. Your claim is that Benin and not Ife originally owned the royal emblems. You have to prove your own claim first. A picture or plaque showing the emblems proves absolutely nothing about your claim of original invention. I will be waiting on you. While waiting on you to get out of the trap you've set for yourself, be reminded that the Benin account makes it clear that the royal emblems were introduced to "Benin" by Ogiso Ere. However, we know from the works of the most prominent and prolific historian of Benin Kingdom alive -- D. M. Bondarenko -- that Ogiso Ere was an Ife-Yoruba sent from Ife to oversee the administration of "Benin". cc: RuggedSniper, lawani, MetaPhysical, gomojam |
gregyboy:This is no proof of invention. Try harder or keep saving face. ![]() |
Etinosa1234:I am not sure where you got the idea from that I claimed Ulsheimer's words to be false. I can, however, understand your frustration about Father Columbine's account though. Etinosa1234:Just as I always advice gregyboy, you need to always read your own screenshots before posting them to avoid embarrassing moments like this. Your own screenshot cited the Lagos account to the effect that the Binis settled into Lagos peacefully and not by conquest. Yet, you're supposedly still yearning to see an evidence which says that the Binis did not settle in by conquest. Who did this to you? ![]() cc: gomojam MetaPhysical, lawani, RuggedSniper |
gregyboy:I need an article from 1475 to 1914 which says that Ada and Akpe were invented by Benin. Mumu boy! Binis be adducing their dumbness as supporting evidence for their pathetic positions. bleeped up people. ![]() ... So, as I was saying before I was rudely interrupted by a scum... ![]() |
gregyboy:(1) Lmao at trans. Anyway, you forgot to tell him that you're gay. At least that was confirmed by you yourself when you were once describing gay joints. (2) Why are you so dead-scared of me? Is it because of how I tear Benin Kingdom apart? Don't worry I will soon leave Nairaland. I know Binis will hold a fest if I eventually leave. Anyways, I will be here for a long time. Year 2030 will only be the beginning. ![]() (3) You smelly-mouthed, janus-faced, fatuous, pathetic lair. Where did I ever have such discussion as the bolded with you. Attach a screenshot, or a link or both to where I discusses the bolded with you. Olodo. Atoole. Benin Kingdom obviously needs pathetic liars like you. I was already considering your application to be naturalized as a Lagosian, but you just ruined your chance with this big lie. You lie through your teeth shamelessly. Scum of the earth. gregyboy:There wasn't a single time when a Bini became king in Lagos. Not once. The first king of the present Lagos dynasty is Yoruba. The claim of the Benin account is unfounded. Refer above to see the latest spanking received by your Lagosian-wanna-be brother. The relationship between the Lagos royalty and the Benin royalty is completely different from what you Edos wish it was. It began purely as a political alliance and then got consolidated through marriage. You all must stop dreaming. ![]() Moreover, the royal emblem which Oba Akiolu is holding is an indigenous Yoruba emblem of office called Akpe by the Yorubas. They are originally despatched from Ife in ancient times alongside the Ada/Ida another ceremonial 'sword'. The Ada & Eben, as the Binis call them, were first introduced to Benin from Ife by Ogiso Ere who is an Ife-Yoruba emissary sent to oversee Igodomigodo. I have beaten you black and blue on this before. To be fair, it is not impossible that the present Lagos dynasty obtained its own from Benin considering the political and familial connection that later played out. This is however by no means the same thing as your shallow conclusion that Ada & Eben (as the Binis call it) was invented by Benin. No, ifor the umpteenth time time it was introduced to Benin itself from the Yoruba center of civilization -- Ife. And the Lagos' use could have survived from the earlier Lagos dynasty prior to Ashipa himself, it could also have been the result of cultural accretion from Benin. For a certainty, however, the present Lagos dynasty is purely of Yoruba patrilineal blood from Ashipa himself (an Awori), and so on to Olokun-Kutere (an Ijesa), and so on till date. There is no Benin patrilineal blood whatsoever in that royal line anywhere from the beginning till date. These ceremonial emblems are originally known throughout Yorubaland as Ada-Ogun & Akpe with the Ada-Ogun coming later to be associated with another later war personage in Yoruba history, i.e. Oranmiyan. Thus these emblems came to be know as Ida-Oranmiyan & Akpe. Other Yoruba kingdoms have variant names for the "Ada"/"Ida" such as "Agada" or "Ele" as is popular among the Ijebus. Samples of the Ada Ogun ceremonial sword can be seen in Museums across the world. Refer to the attachment below to behold the despatch of Ada & Akpe from Ife to Sir Kesington A. Adebutu of Ijebu-IperuRemo during his installation as the Odole Oodua. cc: RuggedSniper, lawani, MetaPhysical, BabaRamota1980, gomojam
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Etinosa1234:In summary, the above examination and careful analysis of the sources reveal the following: (1) There is not just only one official traditional account describing these Lagos events of around the 1600s, rather there are two of such accounts. While there is the Benin account, there is also the Lagos account. (2) The Benin account and the Lagos account differ in a number of important respects. While the Benin account lays claim to an outright conquest, the Lagos account talks of a peaceful settling in of greener-pastures seekers. (3) The Lagos account notes that sometimes after the peaceful settling of the Binis and the rest, some trade conflicts broke out leading the immigrants to be pitched against their host. (4) This foregoing description of a later conflict, by the Lagos account, is corroborated by Andreas Josua Ulsheimer’s account to the effect that the Bini side to a certain conflict was camped in one of the islands of the then Lagos. (5) Historians do not know with certainty whether the name “Eko” is purely from Edo or purely from Yoruba. From my careful consideration of the contexts, however, I am drawn to the conclusion that it is not simply one of the two, but both. A phono-semantic matching to be precise. (6) While the Benin account claims that Ashipa (i.e. the first king of the present dynasty) is a grandson of the then Oba of Benin, the Lagos account identifies him clearly as an Awori-Yoruba of Ife royalty, from Isheri. (7) While Egharevba’s link of the name “Ashipa” to Edo language is rough (or absurd), a link of the same name to Yoruba language is clear, direct, widespread, and ancient. In fact, it means “one who paves the path (for others)” – i.e. “the leader”. (8 ) Not only does the above account of Ulsheimer not corroborate the Benin account of royal conquest or colonization, the Benin account of royal conquest is also not supported by the key indicator of such conquests – that is, linguistic indicator. In other words, there is absolutely no account (oral or documented) of Edo language being spoken in the Lagos palace (or in any part of Lagos for that matter) at any period of history. (10) Finally, I should add here -- for the sake of completeness -- that the Benin Kingdom later came to be very much involved in the royal family of Lagos. The first step towards this involvement was initiated by prince Ashipa himself when he sought political alliance with the then Oba of Benin. The second (and perhaps the sealing step) was also initiated by Ashipa when he got married to a Benin princess. I appreciate your strong desire to be a Lagosian, but such desire should not be sought desperately by hook or by crook. Doing that only bares your inferiority even further. Take care of yourself. |
Etinosa1234:(b) Regarding the identity and citizenship of the first king of the present dynasty (i.e. Ashipa also spelt Asipa) whom the anonymous author of your second screenshot called a “Benin warrior”, the Lagos account is again radically different from the Benin account on this. The Benin traditions as documented by Chief Egharevba notes that Ashipa is a grandson of the then Oba of Benin. However, Chief Egharevba himself recognized the absence of such name in the Benin lexicon, he thus suggested that this name is the same as the word “Esikpa” from the Edo phrase Aisika-hienbore (meaning “we shall not desert this place” ). On the other hand, the Lagos account notes that Ashipa (the first king of the present dynasty) is an Awori chief from Isheri. In relation to the Lagos account on Ashipa’s identity, Robert Smith writes on page 74 that: “Ashipa [is] an Isheri chief … (like Ogunfunminire and the Olofin before him) of the Ife royalty". Similarly, Professor S.A. Akintoye too took note of this Lagos account on page 221 of his “A History of the Yoruba People” as follows: “a certain Awori man named Asipa, described in Lagos traditions as an Iseri chief of Ife royal descent”. Having said that, it is important that I add at this point that while the name “Ashipa” is conspicuously absent from the Edo lexicon, it is widespread among the Yorubas since earlier times. For example, one of the high nobles of the Oyo Empire (by the 1500s or prior) is known as Ashipa (also spelt Asipa). Refer to page 33 of Robert Smith’s “The Kingdoms of the Yoruba”. [Continue reading below] |
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