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@Chidebe,

In my humble opinion, I have come to observe the opposite of what you have said. Pentecostal Ministers, compared to their Othodox ones spend more time in the NT than the OT. Now, this is assuming you are doing a comparison betweens the Preachers.

On the other hand, if you are not doing any comparison, then I agree that more time needs to be spent in the NT than the OT. Since we live in the NT, most of the time should be spent in the NT while the OT just serves as a corroboration to the NT. I believe the reason why many do not teach the NT as mush is plainly because they do not even understand it.

@Chidebe,

I noticed the contradiction in your post as well and couldn't respond because I really didn't know what you were seeking for. At the same time, it appears we are yet to clear the confusion. Like Havila, my initial thought is that you probably felt that Pentecostal Pastors focus more on the New Testamen than the Old. However, you have now changed the topic to mean that the Pentecostal Pastors focus more on the OT than the NT. What exactly is your opinion or should I say question? Please clear this up.

Is it not the same elusive UN mandate that is ensuring that the genocide in Sudan continues? So will you accuse the U.S of illegality if inspite of no UN mandate they go into Sudan and stop the genocide?

Since no one has got the guts to do the right thing, they will all hide behind the lack of a UN mandate to excuse their irresponsible inaction in the face of apparent evil.

Palestinian mothers, just like Iranian and American mothers, love their children, and are painfully bereaved by the imprisonment, wounding and murder of their children. What mother wouldn't?

Dear Ahmed,
Please convey your heart-felt feelings to the mothers of the 10,000 children whom your hero (Khomeni) co-opted into the front lines as mine-sweepers in his protracted war with Iraq.  Perhaps you will console them by reminding them that those children were given "keys to paradise" as chains around their necks and headbands emblazoned with the word KARBALA to remind them that they were not fighting a war for territory, but walking in the footsteps of the matyrs.

@Easyy,

That would be tantamount to chasing shadows. We should be asking how the grounds were prepared for them. No one witnessed such carnage even when the idiotic Saddam was dictating events

This is just an attempt to side-step a clear answer. It is not the U.S that is comitting the genocide, rather it is the Iraqis themselves and some Americans are dying to keep the situation under control.

What are the grounds that the U.S. created to justify the actions of these blood-thristy fanatics? Is it not the same situation that the Christians and the Kurds are faced with? Why aren't they carrying out the bombings as we see the Shias and Sunnis doing?

If you really want to know the grounds, then go back to the time Mohammed died and trace the history of the Shias and the Sunnis. This is not the first time they have been on such murderous quest to annihilate each other.

Dru,

It doesn't matter which of the post-church dispensation this falls in. What matters is that this scripture is not meant for the church age and is definitely unfulfilled. That means the church age is bound to end at one time and the feast of tabernacles (a Judaism ritual) will be required to be kept by all nations.

@Dru,

If you go through the parable of Jesus about the sheep and the goats, was the salvation of the sheep based on faith or on works? 

Please understand that salvation in Christ Jesus is purely by faith and not of works lest any man should boast.  But we see a situation in Jesus' parables where the nations are condemned to a goat pile based on how they treated the Jews.

Which dead people were preached to?  I hope you are not refering to the scripture in 1 Peter 3:18-20.  The spirits He preached to were angels not people.  The scripture is specific that these spirits were imprisoned and it was in the days of Noah.  The Book of Jude sheds further light to this event by specifying that the angels are held in chains of darkness until the day of judgement.  The Book of Romans sheds light on the fact that men who lived before Christ and who didn't hear the Gospel will be judged according to the dictates of their conscience.

The Jews were saved by doing the works of the law through faith.  Afterall, the just shall live by faith is a statute of general application either in the Old or New Testaments.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Now what time in history has this scripture come to pass?  It is definitely a post-church dispensation.  One thing you need to understand in the Bible is that the major end-time events revolve around the Jews and the other nations of the earth.  The church is entirely absent becuase she has been raptured.  We will come back with the Lord at the battle of Armageddon to smite the evil one, but we are largely out of the picture until then. 

The problem you have is that you have been made to believe in the "Substitution Theology" where you try to appropriate the promises to the Jews for the Church.  These are two dinstinct groups.  Indeed, God recognises only 3 groups of people on the earth today.  They are the Jews, the Nations and the Church (where there is neither Jew nor Gentile).

Is the toppling of Saddam equal to the suffering and carnage being experienced daily by Iraqis at the moment?

The next logical question that stares us in the face is: Who are the ones carrying out these carnage? Americans or iraqis?

I really don't understand what you all are driving at by trying to find out if differenet Bible translations are inspired by God or not. None of the versions can claim inspiration from God in the sense of laying claim to the scripture that says "all scripture is given by the inspiration of God, " The inspiration of God is on the original writings while the translations are noble work done by men who may or may not even be Christians.

God may have led some to actually do the work of translation, but that does not mean that He inspired them as the early Writers of the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Ghost to utter the things they did.

In short, all Bible translations are mere work of scholarship, some good and some bad. And from the information I have, they most were done from the original texts. The style is just the only difference while the messages remain the same.

@Dru,

Judaism is a true religion, and likewise is Christianity. The difference is that Judaism is right now in abeyance until the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Then the whole of Isreal will be saved and Judaism as we know it will still be practiced.

@Dru,

I don't know what you mean by two different salvation or religion.  Salvation in our day and age is squarely through the Lord Jesus.  You believe in Him and you will be saved. 

However, during the judgement of the nations, Jesus clearly teaches that some will be goat and some will be sheep.  The dividing line was not faith in Him but in works.  The dispensation after the church during the millenium kingdom obviously attests to this truth where the Bible declares all nations must come to Jerusalem to keep the feasts of tabernacles without which there will not be rain in their land.  This is definitely not a church-age scripture which is yet to be fulfilled.

@Easyy,

I agree with your point. That's the same reason I am stating that the rape of Iraqi women and the murders of women and children was done by America (applying the same principle).

Then we must also agree that all nations and government under the banner of the UN are guilty of child sexual abuse and molestation: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6159923.stm.

so who's got the moral right to accuse the US amongst them?

@Dru,

I have read through the link a little bit and I just find someone sharing his opinion which sure has a lot of gap. In any case, I am waiting to hear the results of your personal study has revealed to you. I plan to do the same.

Cheers.

Dru,

We'll chat more about this some other time as I've got to run.

In any case, who is the Bible refering to in Psalm 82? I'm surprised by the way you condemn people to hell despite the fact that they are beilievers in Christ.

Just to let you know I disagree with you as I believe the Lord's return is in two stages. the first is the coming for the church and the second is when He comes to judge.

Fianlly, someone gave us the opportunity to discuss religion on a political forum by bringing God into this topic.

Another 'suspect' reporting to duty.

Dru,

I think you need to slow down a little bit. I really don't understand how you link up this issue with the scripture that claims all of God's children are gods (Psalm 82). Besides, I have no problem calling myself what the Bible calls me. That is my understanding of humility - subjecting my thoughts and ideas to the Bible.

You talk about the Holy Spirit doing the job alone. Can you please tell us how else the Holy spirit works on earth without the involvement of His Church? And how come there is a taking away of the church when this event happens?

There is a dispensational requirement that makes it mandatory for the church to be outta here before the anti-christ can be fully manifest. In that sense, the church also restrains his appearing. But what do I know?

@Drusilla,

Before you run away and give your meaning to what I said, please kindly sit down and re-read my post which has a scriptural backing in the Book of Thessalonians.

The emphasis in my statement is the Holy Spirit and not the Church. The Church (as in Christians) is the temple of the Holy Spirit who restrains the evil one. The Bible says when he that letteth is taken out of the way (a reference to the rapture) then we shall see the anti-christ's full manifestation. If you have contrary biblical understanding of this, please share it. I am still a student, and not a teacher of the Bible.

Though this is a political forum, I had no choice but to go "religious" because of the accusation made at Christians here.

@Easyy,

I agree a little bit with your views but have you spoken to any real Economist who have analysed the economic impact on other nations of the withdrawal of U.S. into her borders? With respect to trade, the shortfall will be on other countries and not the U.S. With respect to Professionals, the U.S. is actually short of them right now. This much I can tell you 'cos I'm in that field and we experience the negative effect of that shortfall on an on-going basis.

Where did you get the impresion that the American market is shrinking? Get your facts right, it is growing. The greatest ambassador of American culture today is not its military, it is Hollywood. So your argument is totally baseless.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Go peddle your lies where people will believe them. As for me, you will not be allowed a bit of space to deceive and misquote others through your lies and spinning tendencies.

One more advice for you beside going back to the school for the retard, when next you see a suspicious explosive device, go pick it up and return it to the sender via the mosques where they worship.

Embarassed myself? Far from it. Rather, I have exposed a cronic liar on nairalnad. From now on, all will know to check out what you say before they take you seriously. Even when you quote someone, we still need to carry out the research to confirm that you have quoted correctly. Liar liar. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Glad to know you've made corrections after your usual 'girraffe' method of getting ahead. In any case, I am glad my humble contribution to your slow education is producing some fruits.

I have never claimed not to make mistakes. Spelling mistakes are one thing while substituting NO for KNOW is another. Thank God you know how to use the spell-check feature on this website. I'll remember to put that in your report to the 'special-needs' board of education.

Afam,

The thing is that your lies no no bounds, even on this very thread where you attempted to sell yet another lie you still have the guts to defend your lies.

It should be know no bounds.  Is that also a spelling mistake or a glitch in the brain?

A lie. No bomb was discovered. No bomb was even detonated. It was even reported that no explosive material was found.

I'm glad I am not the one that produced the link to the newspaper that also reported this incident.  Perhaps the newspaper was also in on the lies.  If I may ask you, under what circumstance would a bomb unit of a police department be called into action?  Let me give you some options: 1. when Afam keeps lying  2. when Afam keeps spinning 3. when Afam can't write well 4. when a suspected unexploded device is discovered.  Before you ask for the answer from a kindergarten pupil, the answer is clearly number 4.  Can you reconcile that with the topic of this thread then.

A hopeless hope, because no one did anything. Funny enough eternal hell fire is a place reserved for shameless liars like you unlesss you have been reading your bible upside down.

Liar?  Who is the obvious liar here.  Who keeps quoting other people wrongly when there is ample evidence to show otherwise?  The answer once again is Afam.  Hell aint my portion Hater.  But for anyone who kill others and sow the seed of terrorism, the smoke of their torment will rise up for ever and ever. 

And if you have indeed read your Bible, you will fnd that God will destroy those who destroy the earth.  Tell me are your suicide bpmbers earth builders or destroyers?  I hope you know the right answer to that.  That is your homework for the day.

@Afam,

That a grown up living in America will bolding attempt to separate the present homeland security from what is happening in Iraq today goes to show how myopic and silly some people can be.

I am pondering how best I can explain this to a 3 year old.  Even if the war in Iraq is part of the wider tactic of homeland security, which I acknowledge; I clearly mentioned that the part where Bush invaded Iraq is a major set-back for him.  I believe even a retard should be able to understand that, unless that retard is also a lying spin doctor.

And by the way, it is not bolding, it is boldly.  Men, how old are you?

@Afam,

I am laughing so hard here. is this all the evidence you've got? It goes to show you are either blind to what you read or you are plain retarded. Pick the most likely option.

Your claim: Your claim that majority of Americans are in support of Bush on the invasion of Iraq is flat wrong.",
Your proof: "What you do not understand is that Americans are more in support of Bush when the issue is homeland security. The only problem he has is Iraq and that is the cause of his falling, now rising polls."

Can you reconcile the two Mr Afam. I wish there was a 3 year old on this forum to explain these statements to you and show you how contradictory they are. But to a spin doctor like you, both can be reconciled.

Your claim: Your claim that the pre mid term polls and surveys did not reflect the true position of the Americans is 100% wrong.
Your Proof: I am still waiting for the proof of this. Where did I make such a claim? Keep searching Mr Afam. Your foolishness is beginning to appear to all.

@Afam,

Now that you have made it very simple by saying I said the following:

Your claim that the pre mid term polls and surveys did not reflect the true position of the Americans is 100% wrong.

You claim that majority of Americans are in support of Bush on the invasion of Iraq is flat wrong.

Please prove to us that I said both. If you are unable to do so, then I guess you are no more than the liar I have claimed you to be and I will have no further discussions with you.

@Ibexy,

Some christian fanatics think its divine intervention since they have concluded that the antichrist will come from the middle east.
President Bush frequently uses this false claim to good advantage. Trust a politician.

Where did you get this information from?  As Christians, we believe it is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the church that is preventing the full manifestation of the antichrist, and besides we believe the antichrist will be coming from Europe and not the middle East.  So can one take anymore of your claims seriously?

@Easyy,

what would happen if America recalls all of it's military personnel stationed abroad?

1) A number of countries where the military are based will suffer economically.  Do you know how much of U.S tax dollars are spent to keep up these bases?
2) North Korea will test its next nuclear weapon on the streets of South Korea
3) The U.S. military personnel will have more than ample opportunties to contribute to the economy.  I have colleagues who are serving now in Iraq.  They are engineers whose services we are in dire need of at home.
4) If the military is unproductive as you claim, at least the tax dollars needed to provide them with welfare at home will not be as great as it's taking now abroad. And that means a surplus budget.
5) Perhaps, speaking hpothetically, the outsourcing of cheap labour to China will no longer be necessary since there'll be more than enough hands at home to do the job.  Another economic impact for some other nation.

Someone also said America only goes to countries with oil.  Can you please tell us how much oil reserves is available in Somalia?

@Afam,

I guess I have given you more thought than you deserve. You have made an accusation that you cannot back up and you keep dancing to the tune that only you can hear. You have thus proved yourself to be nothing but a liar who tries to spin every word, and statement to satisfy your bruised ego.

I stand by everything that I have said on this topic especially the part where I called you a Liar.

@Afam,

I never forgot what I stated so there is no reason to have to remember it.  You now want to side-step what you have accused me of by backing out.  You made an accusation that you have to prove.   Please do so for all to see how you think.

As to your other accusations, they are at best ludicrous.  I state the truth as I see it, and that is what people like you don't like.  How many people blowing themselves up today and killing others in the name of religion have shouted "Jesus is Lord", or "Buddha is the greatest"?  We see it over and over again, the muderers chant "Allah is great" each time they sacrifice themselves and other innocent souls to the blood-thirsty Allah.  I know your political correctness will not allow you call a spade a spade.  But to me, a spade is not just a tool, it is a spade.

@Afam,

I know exactly what I said and I just can't wait to see you prove how much spin you put on what people say.

I have no problems with being wrong. I have been wrong before and moved on when confronted with truthful proofs. For someone whio thinks he is right all the time, such might have a problem. I guess that is why you always put a spin on issues so as to make yourself seem in the right.

@Afam,

All you need do to prove you are right is not to keep blowing your trumpet.  Rather, please go and search all I have said in our discussions in times past and show me where I said anything close to what you are accusing me of here:

you may only end up being wrong yet again just as you were when you claimed that the pre mid-term elections polls were not true reflections of the views of Americans and claimed that majority of Americans supported Bush,

If you do not do so, then you will do well to either apologise or acknowledge yourself as a liar.

@Afam,

Go on and rant as usual. I only hope you have facts to back up your accusations.

I have often told Olabowale too that he should for now forget the writings of Paul and try and compare the writings of Apostles John, James and Peter to the 'revelations' received by Mohammed. If he is able to reconcile these, then I will begin to take him seriously.