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Astra101:
Small what? Maybe you're ignorant on this issue and i advice you stay off!

How much has america spent on this war? How much has Britain spent on this war?
How much has NATO spent on this war?

But it's the Ukrainians fighting not America or Britain or Germany.

Didn't Russia request help from North Korea, China and Iran? Is it untrue that NK just recently sent 1 million rounds of artillery shells to Russia?


So, why are you complaining?

ItShallPass:
That's it. All we can do is to proclaim the truth and leave the rest to God. But honestly, they need the mercy of God. The same applies to atheists and many church goers who call themselves christians but don't know Jesus.

Yes, my brother.

God will supply the grace but we as Christians should be more thoughtful of Evangelism to nominal Christians, Muslims, Agnostics and spiritualists. The important thing is making ourselves available for use to God while we serve in spirit, truth and Purity of heart.

ReExplore2xmore:
Have you seen a spirit before? Perharps one that has come to you to represent someone who isn't physically present? Do make this make sense.


Representation is the description or portrayal of someone or something in a particular way.

Attribute is a quality or feature regarded as a characteristic or inherent part of someone or something.

A spirit is NOT a representation AND
A spirit is NOT an Attribute
Let me explain what a spirit is.

Simple Definition : A spirit is an immaterial person.

Explanation :
Just as we have the Physical Realm where things are made up of Atoms and Physical Energy, we also have the Spiritual Realm, where things are not made of Atoms or physical energy

Angels and Demons or Jinns are REAL personalities with individual identities just as on earth we have physical identities. They interact with themselves in the spiritual realm
Heb 1:7:
"And of the angels he said, Who makes His Angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire."

No human can see a spirit with his physical eyes by the assistance of illumination from the sun or other light source UNLESS such taps into the POWER of GOD or power of satan.

Vision/Trance occurs when a person is allowed to see into the Spirit realm.
Prophecy occurs when a person is allowed to hear mysteries from the Spirit realm.


Note:
A Human Being is a Trinity
Animals are Dualities
Angels are Dualities
Demons, Satan are Dualities.




You deny what you don't understand as Trinity even though Mohammed even in his confused denying delves into it without knowing. This is why the issue of the Spirit is problematic to Muslims

ReExplore2xmore:
2. I don't know about this more so that there are divergent opinions. Perharps you can inform me?

3. As stated by a hadith, yes.

I don't agree that God is a spirit but agree he created/creates spirits. Provide proof that God is a spirit well maybe the Christian God.

I asked:
Your prophet says that babies born of Muslim parents can go to hell!
If they are pure, how can they go to hell?

Of course your prophet explained it as the DESTINY of Allah.
Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.



Your proof and of course you should know by now that we don't worship the same God.

Jesus said to us:
John 4:24:
" God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


Unfortunately, you don't even know what a spirit is: do you?

ReExplore2xmore:
Well maybe if you don't mix up your questions with other narrations it will be easier to answer and keep track.

The Quran 2:97 says Jibril is a spirit also it's written “And We gave ‘Isa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibril (Gabriel).] [Q2:87]

[s]Jibril is also a messanger and brought down the Quran.
Jibril is an Angel with 600 wings.
Jibril was created or wasn't he?
Is Jibril also Jesus going by your view about spirits?[/s]

Are there different types of spirit? There is the spirit of truth and the spirit of holiness in Islam.
Which one is Jesus?

Nice that you concur that Jubril is a spirit.

1. If Jibril is an Angel and Jibril is a spirit : do you concur that all angels are spirits?
2. If Jibril is a Spirit, do you concur that spirits are Living beings?

The title Spirit of Holiness or the Spirit of Truth is reserved ONLY for God the Holy Spirit

ReExplore2xmore:
I say these hadith are truly stated and as far as hadith go they are true. What is your point about them?

Now that you have clearly stated that both hadiths are True, then they must not contradict one another.

Hear are Facts related to the two hadiths
1. Mohammed claimed that he would be the FIRST to be resurrected amongst humans.
2. Mohammed went to heaven and sees/speaks to Moses, Abraham, Adam etc.
3. Except for Jesus, all the people Mohammed saw are Dead and Buried here on earth.
4. It is not yet Time for Resurrection

Now,
Since it is not yet time of resurrection : Can you please explain, how did Abraham, Moses, Adam speak to Mohammed (aren't they supposed to be dead?)

Note:
They have all been resurrected even before Mohammed died. Isn't this an irony that needs some explanation?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Last kick of a dying horse.

Mariinka is gone.
Kiev is writing foreign embassy/mission to extradite Ukrainian citizens who fled for safety.


Counter-offensive failed massively.

And two full years later the Giant Bully could not overrun a small Ukraine within 3 weeks!

SMH!

ReExplore2xmore:
All living things carry a Spirit that is breathed into them by God All mighty. When we die, the spirit is returned to God All Mighty. Jesus Christ Peace be upon him is a great man who like all the Prophets before him are chosen by God all Mighty to deliver God's messages to the people.

Is a spirit a living representation of a person or just an attribute?

ReExplore2xmore:
The idea of Trinity and Jesus being the Son of God or a different manifestation of God on this planet is an adaptation from Greek-Roman mythology where gods had children and wives and other gods and goddesses and was never part of the Abrahamic faith.

Being alive, means you carry a part of God's Spirit within you, its the life energy that is reclaimed by God upon death.
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I have not asked you yet about the trinity.
If you have little understanding of the Spirit, how can you at the same time claim knowledge about it.?

ReExplore2xmore:
Are you implying that the spirit is not a creation of Allah?

They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.

You have just told me that you know little about the Spirit. Can I teach you?

God is a Spirit and the Creator of All spirits. Angels are Spirits, Demons are Spirits, Satan is a spirit.
Of course, even though you know little, you will block your ears to learning.

Let me thus come from your level :
Can you concur that Jibril is a spirit?

ReExplore2xmore:
Can you inform what difference it will make when you come in contact with Satan? Does Satan make attempts at all both child and adult or what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

That Mary wasn't touched by Satan so those who deify her are as right whp deify Jesus?

I honestly don't get it. Could you clearly and concisely make your point?

Just see yourself.

You were asked At least three questions :

1. Why did Allah say Jesus is a SPIRIT: is he Jibril?
2. Your prophet says that babies born of Muslim parents can go to hell!
If they are pure, how can they go to hell?
3. Is it true that Jesus (and his mother) was the only one untouched by satan?


Look again at your response and tell me which of the questions correlate with your response

ReExplore2xmore:
Stop repeating the same question and make your point. You rely on hadith a whole lot more than me and are some expert there so tell.

If you had answered a direct question, it wouldn't come to this.

I didn't ask you if tge hadiths are truly stated, I asked you if the two hadiths are True!

A lie can be truly stated and it doesn't make the statement true.


Are the two hadiths
Sahih al-Bukhari 3207
and
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308 true?

Why did Allah say Jesus is a SPIRIT: is he Jibril?

ReExplore2xmore:
You are jumbling many things together.
Is it a lie that all are born pure into the world?
Does the world inadvertently corrupt people?

Your prophet says that babies born of Muslim parents can go to hell!
If they are pure, how can they go to hell?

ReExplore2xmore:
Does the Quran in 19:13 say about John the Baptist that as well as purity and compassion from Us. And he was God-fearing

Does the Quran not group Zachary; John the Baptist and Jesus together as righteous?
(Q6:85) (And of his descendants We guided) Zakariya (Zachariah), Yahya (John), Isa (Jesus) and Ilyas (Elias): each one of them was of the righteous

Can you point to one sin of John the Baptist?

You quote Qur'an 6:85 as if the contention was about the Purity of Jesus or John.
With your example of John the Baptist's example of sin, you have a point.

Only that according to your prophet, Satan touched John the Baptist as a baby but he couldn't touch both Mary and Jesus: this makes the Purity of Jesus above that of John.

Is it true that Jesus (and his mother) was the only one untouched by satan? This probably explains how Muslim babies can go to hell!

But can we report that your prophet is also pure or righteous?

TenQ:
Here is the full text again:



1. Is this Narrative of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence/real or fiction?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3207
Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the `Abdomen and then my `Abdomen was washed with Zamzam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al- Buraq, a white animal, smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel. When I reached the nearest heaven. Gabriel said to the heaven gate-keeper, 'Open the gate.' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' He said, 'Gabriel.' The gate-keeper,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' The gate-keeper said, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' Then I met Adam and greeted him and he said, 'You are welcomed O son and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said, 'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Jesus and Yahya (John) who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is with you? Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' 'Yes,' said Gabriel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet (ﷺ) added. There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet!' Then we ascended to the 4th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met Idris and greeted him. He said, 'You are welcomed O brother and Prophet.' Then we ascended to the 5th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in previous heavens. there I met and greeted Aaron who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and a Prophet". Then we ascended to the 6th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Moses who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and. a Prophet.' When I proceeded on, he started weeping and on being asked why he was weeping, he said, 'O Lord! Followers of this youth who was sent after me will enter Paradise in greater number than my followers.' Then we ascended to the seventh heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Abraham who said, 'You are welcomed o son and a Prophet.' Then I was shown Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur (i.e. Allah's House). I asked Gabriel about it and he said, This is Al Bait-ul-Ma'mur where 70,000 angels perform prayers daily and when they leave they never return to it (but always a fresh batch comes into it daily).' Then I was shown Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. a tree in the seventh heaven) and I saw its Nabk fruits which resembled the clay jugs of Hajr (i.e. a town in Arabia), and its leaves were like the ears of elephants, and four rivers originated at its root, two of them were apparent and two were hidden. I asked Gabriel about those rivers and he said, 'The two hidden rivers are in Paradise, and the apparent ones are the Nile and the Euphrates.' Then fifty prayers were enjoined on me. I descended till I met Moses who asked me, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Fifty prayers have been enjoined on me.' He said, 'I know the people better than you, because I had the hardest experience to bring Bani Israel to obedience. Your followers cannot put up with such obligation. So, return to your Lord and request Him (to reduce the number of prayers.' I returned and requested Allah (for reduction) and He made it forty. I returned and (met Moses) and had a similar discussion, and then returned again to Allah for reduction and He made it thirty, then twenty, then ten, and then I came to Moses who repeated the same advice. Ultimately Allah reduced it to five. When I came to Moses again, he said, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Allah has made it five only.' He repeated the same advice but I said that I surrendered (to Allah's Final Order)'" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was addressed by Allah, "I have decreed My Obligation and have reduced the burden on My slaves, and I shall reward a single good deed as if it were ten good deeds."

If the above is TRUE,


2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?




In summary, are the two hadiths above true or false statements or real or fiction ?

ReExplore2xmore:
Yes the Hadith are rightly reported. What is the problem with them?

Are you sure these two hadiths are both true?

ReExplore2xmore:
Lost my login details and created this.
So what you highlight in red about Hadith 3207, 4712 and 7440 is the question?

Kindly paste out these for a full understanding of what is asked.

Here is the full text again:



1. Is this Narrative of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence/real or fiction?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3207
Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the `Abdomen and then my `Abdomen was washed with Zamzam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al- Buraq, a white animal, smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel. When I reached the nearest heaven. Gabriel said to the heaven gate-keeper, 'Open the gate.' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' He said, 'Gabriel.' The gate-keeper,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' The gate-keeper said, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' Then I met Adam and greeted him and he said, 'You are welcomed O son and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said, 'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Jesus and Yahya (John) who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is with you? Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' 'Yes,' said Gabriel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet (ﷺ) added. There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet!' Then we ascended to the 4th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met Idris and greeted him. He said, 'You are welcomed O brother and Prophet.' Then we ascended to the 5th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in previous heavens. there I met and greeted Aaron who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and a Prophet". Then we ascended to the 6th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Moses who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and. a Prophet.' When I proceeded on, he started weeping and on being asked why he was weeping, he said, 'O Lord! Followers of this youth who was sent after me will enter Paradise in greater number than my followers.' Then we ascended to the seventh heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Abraham who said, 'You are welcomed o son and a Prophet.' Then I was shown Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur (i.e. Allah's House). I asked Gabriel about it and he said, This is Al Bait-ul-Ma'mur where 70,000 angels perform prayers daily and when they leave they never return to it (but always a fresh batch comes into it daily).' Then I was shown Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. a tree in the seventh heaven) and I saw its Nabk fruits which resembled the clay jugs of Hajr (i.e. a town in Arabia), and its leaves were like the ears of elephants, and four rivers originated at its root, two of them were apparent and two were hidden. I asked Gabriel about those rivers and he said, 'The two hidden rivers are in Paradise, and the apparent ones are the Nile and the Euphrates.' Then fifty prayers were enjoined on me. I descended till I met Moses who asked me, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Fifty prayers have been enjoined on me.' He said, 'I know the people better than you, because I had the hardest experience to bring Bani Israel to obedience. Your followers cannot put up with such obligation. So, return to your Lord and request Him (to reduce the number of prayers.' I returned and requested Allah (for reduction) and He made it forty. I returned and (met Moses) and had a similar discussion, and then returned again to Allah for reduction and He made it thirty, then twenty, then ten, and then I came to Moses who repeated the same advice. Ultimately Allah reduced it to five. When I came to Moses again, he said, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Allah has made it five only.' He repeated the same advice but I said that I surrendered (to Allah's Final Order)'" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was addressed by Allah, "I have decreed My Obligation and have reduced the burden on My slaves, and I shall reward a single good deed as if it were ten good deeds."

If the above is TRUE,


2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?




In summary, are the two hadiths above true or false statements or real or fiction ?

ReExplore2xmore:
Also you repeatedly refer to Quran 19:19 and talk about Fitrah. There's the need to clarify if this verse is what you refer to:


قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمًا
"He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy.""

Qaala innamaa ana rasoolu Rabbiki li ahaba laki ghulaaman zakiyyaa.

This verse contains nothing like fitrah and I point out to you that the original state all mankind is created is pure before they get corrupted.

I also point out to you that John the Baptist too is referred to as pure in Quran 19:13

وَحَنَانًا مِّن لَّدُنَّا وَزَكَٰوةً ۖ وَكَانَ تَقِيًّا
"And affection from Us and purity, and he was fearing of Allah"

Wa hanaanam mil ladunnaa wa zakaatanw wa kaana taqiyyaa

No problem!
Have I not defined Fitrah for you as

TenQ:
According to you Muslims,
"Fitrah" (Arabic: فطرة): is the state of purity and innocence. Muslims believe all humans to be born in a state of Fitrah. Also, Circumcision, shaving the pubes, plucking the armpit hair, clipping the nails and trimming the mustache are considered as Fitrah.

These only you Muslims understand!

Is this definition not okay for you?


My emphasis is that it makes no sense for the PURE boy in Jesus to be redundant as everyone is born pure. At the same time, no one can point to just one sin committed by Jesus Christ.


Why did Allah say Jesus is a SPIRIT: is he Jibril?

If Jesus is ordinary just like any other prophet,
Why is He the only one who creates life?
Why is He the only one who is not dead?
Why is He the only one without a Father?

ItShallPass:
God will have mercy on them.

Amen o!
I sometimes wish I can force the truth into them, however God made us free beings with volition.
Even God will not override our will.

Explore2xmore:
Fitrah (فطرة) is a term in Islamic theology which has many interpretations. The most popular interpretation is that it's a natural human disposition to believe in monotheism .

According to you Muslims,
"Fitrah" (Arabic: فطرة): is the state of purity and innocence. Muslims believe all humans to be born in a state of Fitrah. Also, Circumcision, shaving the pubes, plucking the armpit hair, clipping the nails and trimming the mustache are considered as Fitrah.

These only you Muslims understand!

Explore2xmore:
Now I see my perception of an apparent degree of intelligence you fake is exactly that; false.

Quran 7:172
"And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware.""


You mentioned fitrah in your earlier post



What is fitrah?
Fitrah is an Arabic term that refers to the natural disposition of human beings. It is derived from the Arabic root word “Fatar” which means to create or to shape.

Fitrah is the natural inclination towards monotheism and the recognition of God’s existence that every human being possesses.

This disposition is strongly due to the attestation of man before he was born.

Does your Bible not read in Jeremiah 1
4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying,

5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,before you were born I set you apart;I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.

Is it only Jeremiah that God knows before he is formed in the womb? Or only those who become prophets?

Quran 30:30
So set thou thy face steadily and truly to the Faith: (establish) Allah's handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not. (Yusuf Ali)

Bukhari 4775
Allah's Messenger pbuh said, "No child is born except on Al-Fitra (Islam) and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian, as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?" 'The religion of pure Islamic Faith (Hanifa),(i.e. to worship none but Allah), The pure Allah's Islamic nature with which He (Allah) has created mankind. Let There be no change in Allah's religion (i.e. to join none in Allah's worship). That is the straight religion; but most of men know not..." (30.30)

أَخْبَرَنَا يُونُسُ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو سَلَمَةَ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ مَا مِنْ مَوْلُودٍ إِلاَّ يُولَدُ عَلَى الْفِطْرَةِ، فَأَبَوَاهُ يُهَوِّدَانِهِ أَوْ يُنَصِّرَانِهِ أَوْ يُمَجِّسَانِهِ، كَمَا تُنْتَجُ الْبَهِيمَةُ بَهِيمَةً جَمْعَاءَ، هَلْ تُحِسُّونَ فِيهَا مِنْ جَدْعَاءَ ‏"‏ ثُمَّ يَقُولُ ‏{‏فِطْرَةَ اللَّهِ الَّتِي فَطَرَ النَّاسَ عَلَيْهَا لاَ تَبْدِيلَ لِخَلْقِ اللَّهِ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ‏

Could you elucidate what you mean and understand by Fitrah

All these to escape answering my questions!?

Why do you enjoy wallowing in your self deceit and self deception?

You could have opened up another thread on Fitrah and this would be understandable.

Again sir:

Note:
There is an error noted and corrected.

The Narrative is of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 and NOT Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440


Stop playing games with me sir. You are deliberately avoiding answering my questions to escape the trap caused by the multiplicaty of Web of lies Islam has spurn for you.
Once you answer my questions I've been asking you, you will see the inconsistencies

1. Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence?
If the above is TRUE,

2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?


Now, you are confused.
Did you not quote

Quran 7:11;
And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

And asked a question :


Again, Is the Soul (in the first part of Qur'an 7:11) YOU?

You wouldn't answer as usual.


How would you understand my answer if you can't even answer what a spirit is?

Again:
a. What is a Spirit?
If you do not know what a spirit is, how can you understand that Jesus IS a Spirit

b. Is the breath of Allah spirit?
c. Is Jibril a spirit?

As usual, I expect you to evade this questions.


I have maintained this:
According to the Qur'an, Jesus is a Co-Creator with Allah. It doesn't matter if it was by Allah's permission or not.

Is it true that: Jesus created from mud a bird and Jesus breathe (not Allah) into it and the mud came to life as a bird

In the whole universe, can you tell me just ONE person who created even a fly in addition to what Allah created?


Again, Quran 7:172-173 is true only if you concur that humans exist fully before they physically come into existence.
Again, is a human being a trinity/duality according to Islam?



You refused to answer my question as I never asked if the Narrative in 4712 and 7440 spoke about the future or not.

Again :


1. Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence?
If the above is TRUE,

2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?




Note:
There is an error noted and corrected.

The Narrative is of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 and NOT Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440


To avoid controversy :

Note:
There is an error noted and corrected.

The Narrative is of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 and NOT Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440

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Oh now this is your argument?
A future occurrence to happen on the day of judgement which is to come or what are you trying to say? What wasn't said?

What inconsistencies? I don't get it.

Stop playing games with me sir. You are deliberately avoiding answering my questions to escape the trap caused by the multiplicaty of Web of lies Islam has spurn for you.
Once you answer my questions I've been asking you, you will see the inconsistencies

1. Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence?
If the above is TRUE,

2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?

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Don't make me fall of the chair laughing. You mean having a soul equates to a duality/trinity which you apply to the almighty God. Please where is the body of God. You can be silly to say it was your Jesus that was rough handled and crucified. Oh how powerless this god of yours must be.

Now, you are confused.
Did you not quote

Quran 7:11;
And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

And asked a question :

Regarding the emboldened was the entity of man created before giving him form or vice versa? The essence, spirit or soul of man was created before it was put into the body.

Again, Is the Soul (in the first part of Qur'an 7:11) YOU?

You wouldn't answer as usual.

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The narration in Quran 7:172-173 is false? How did you arrive at that? The Holy spirit told you? Oh please!

You feign a misunderstanding because it doesn't agree with you? Yes indeed Tenq created his god in his own image that does what Tenq wants and believes to be right.

Can I get a truthful answer of you? The spirit in all humans was created and originates from where? Does any other thing have the ability to create a spirit?

Do explain this as it is not making sense

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How would you understand my answer if you can't even answer what a spirit is?

Again:
a. What is a Spirit?
If you do not know what a spirit is, how can you understand that Jesus IS a Spirit

b. Is the breath of Allah spirit?
c. Is Jibril a spirit?

As usual, I expect you to evade this questions.

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You refer to Quran 22:73 and this is accepted as truth by you yet you refect Quran 7:172-173? Does this not make you like the Pharisee elders Jesus was against? You twist the scripture to your taste. Do one thing and preach another.

You selectively refuse or pretend to not see that Jesus created by leave of Allah that is Allah allowed this to be so for a miracle/sign to be seen by the Israelites?
When Manna fell for the Israelites feeding during their Exodus was this Moses's doing or God's? Truly why you are cautioned in Quran 4:171 O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth.
Is it not an extreme asserted by you that Jesus created not the one from whom Jesus comes as a messenger? Did the Angel that came to Mary create Jesus or Allah/God?

Created a bird exactly how Adam was created?
Ok for added clarity did the Bird Jesus created have any other being commanded to bow to it? Was it placed at a place and given instructions of what to do and not do by Jesus? I haven't seen this do point it out to me please.
In any case Jesus creating Birds isn't in your Bible or is it? Kindly show and remind me. But you accept that part of the Quran to be true and others false?

I have maintained this:
According to the Qur'an, Jesus is a Co-Creator with Allah. It doesn't matter if it was by Allah's permission or not.

Is it true that: Jesus created from mud a bird and Jesus breathe (not Allah) into it and the mud came to life as a bird

In the whole universe, can you tell me just ONE person who created even a fly in addition to what Allah created?


Again, Quran 7:172-173 is true only if you concur that humans exist fully before they physically come into existence.
Again, is a human being a trinity/duality according to Islam?

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1. The Narrative in 4712 and 7440 is a revelation of what is to come. Let's see at the time of Judgement.

2. Perharps you can tell me as thd expert of Islamic literature. Is it different in truth from the other hadiths you share?

And for the question you appear to stop short of asking Quran 42:29
And of his signs is the creation of the theavens and earth and what He has dispersed throughout them of creatures. And He, for gathering them when He wills, is competent.

You refused to answer my question as I never asked if the Narrative in 4712 and 7440 spoke about the future or not.

Again :


1. Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence?
If the above is TRUE,

2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?




Note:
There is an error noted and corrected.

The Narrative is of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 and NOT Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440


To avoid controversy :

Sahih al-Bukhari 3207
Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the `Abdomen and then my `Abdomen was washed with Zamzam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al- Buraq, a white animal, smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel. When I reached the nearest heaven. Gabriel said to the heaven gate-keeper, 'Open the gate.' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' He said, 'Gabriel.' The gate-keeper,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' The gate-keeper said, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' Then I met Adam and greeted him and he said, 'You are welcomed O son and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said, 'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Jesus and Yahya (John) who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is with you? Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' 'Yes,' said Gabriel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet (ﷺ) added. There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet!' Then we ascended to the 4th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met Idris and greeted him. He said, 'You are welcomed O brother and Prophet.' Then we ascended to the 5th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in previous heavens. there I met and greeted Aaron who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and a Prophet". Then we ascended to the 6th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Moses who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and. a Prophet.' When I proceeded on, he started weeping and on being asked why he was weeping, he said, 'O Lord! Followers of this youth who was sent after me will enter Paradise in greater number than my followers.' Then we ascended to the seventh heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Abraham who said, 'You are welcomed o son and a Prophet.' Then I was shown Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur (i.e. Allah's House). I asked Gabriel about it and he said, This is Al Bait-ul-Ma'mur where 70,000 angels perform prayers daily and when they leave they never return to it (but always a fresh batch comes into it daily).' Then I was shown Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. a tree in the seventh heaven) and I saw its Nabk fruits which resembled the clay jugs of Hajr (i.e. a town in Arabia), and its leaves were like the ears of elephants, and four rivers originated at its root, two of them were apparent and two were hidden. I asked Gabriel about those rivers and he said, 'The two hidden rivers are in Paradise, and the apparent ones are the Nile and the Euphrates.' Then fifty prayers were enjoined on me. I descended till I met Moses who asked me, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Fifty prayers have been enjoined on me.' He said, 'I know the people better than you, because I had the hardest experience to bring Bani Israel to obedience. Your followers cannot put up with such obligation. So, return to your Lord and request Him (to reduce the number of prayers.' I returned and requested Allah (for reduction) and He made it forty. I returned and (met Moses) and had a similar discussion, and then returned again to Allah for reduction and He made it thirty, then twenty, then ten, and then I came to Moses who repeated the same advice. Ultimately Allah reduced it to five. When I came to Moses again, he said, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Allah has made it five only.' He repeated the same advice but I said that I surrendered (to Allah's Final Order)'" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was addressed by Allah, "I have decreed My Obligation and have reduced the burden on My slaves, and I shall reward a single good deed as if it were ten good deeds."

ItShallPass:
Na so dem dey do. They hate the truth and fight it with their whole night.

It is not surprising at all because their God is the father of lies. They tell lies to themselves and other kinds of lies to others. When to want to be civil, they simply refuse to answer questions about Islam that would paint Mohammed or Allah I a bad light.

The slogan all Muslims seem to have is:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind

Davidnilla:
I noticed I'm eating in the dream, back to back, to the extent it became show obvious that I had to make this post.

Whenever I pray against it before sleeping, I'll eat that very night in sleep.

Even if I didn't have such dreams for a week, the night I pray, na the night I go chop am.

What could be the problem? Anyone experienced this?

In the spirit, nothing is free!
Food is sometimes what is given to give you strength or weaken you depending on the source.
Sometimes with food is the expectation of payment for the food!

Pray a prayer of deliverance for yourself rebuking any strange spirit giving you food in your dreams

Hier:
Amen, I really pray and desire that they be saved

Jesus said, if I be lifted up, I exhort that first of all, prayer and intercession and supplication be made for all men. I read a book, of a missionary, he was sharing about how Jesus would appear to people through Dreams and visions and they would get converted

See the picture attached

Of course Jesus had been appearing to many Muslims in their dreams and converting them to becoming Sons of God the Father in the droves.

Unfortunately, the harvest is ripe but few labourers are in the field.
We pray God raises up many labourers for this harvest in Jesus mighty name

ItShallPass:
Is he not a Muslim? It is their characteristic to deny the truth. He knows but he'll close his eyes to that fact.

Of course, Gaskiamagana is a Muslim:

He wants to play on the hope that people are ignorant of the multiple Qurans in existence and that the Bible is a European invention

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Let's first start with your answer to my question.
The hadith is complete fabrication by Mohammed himself.

Oh! This hadith is a fabrication and all the numerous others you share are not?
How is this? Can you prove this beyond any form of doubt? Who transmitted this hadith to you or where did you read or hear it?

You quoted things my Jesus never said from a man who lived 630 years after Him and you expect me to adopt them as TRUE just because your prophet said so!?
Does this make sense to you?
All I need to do is to point out inconsistencies in your narrative and it would be clear to you that this is a complete fabricated story.

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Then let's look at the creation of mankind particularly at Quran 7:11; which reads:

And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

Regarding the emboldened was the entity of man created before giving him form or vice versa? The essence, spirit or soul of man was created before it was put into the body.

A human being is a physical being according to your beliefs or do you now believe that man is a trinity or at least a duality ?
Therefore, a man can only be created when he has his physical body complete.
Thus Creating you then fashioned you is the same thing.

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Quran [7:172-173] when Allah created Adam He took a covenant from him, and then extracted from Adam all of his descendants. He took a covenant from them asking, “Am I not your lord?” and they all replied “Yes we testify to it”.

The emboldened in the paragraph us before the descendants are born into the world.
Is Jesus amongst these descendants?

Even though this narration of Quran 7:172-173 is false, Jesus is not a descendant of Adam for Genealogy is determined generally through the male line (patriarchally).

When is a human being created or come into existence: is it at birth or before birth?
Quran 7:172-173 is true only if you concur that humans exist fully before they physically come into existence.
Again, is a human being a trinity/duality according to Islam?

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Jesus is yet to die and in time he will die, be buried and decay when his earthly life will be completed before the day of judgement.
What word was conveyed to Mary the mother of Jesus? This word is the command into existence.
The conversation between Mary and the angel is to adequately inform her and not get her distressed or confused by the occurence of a pregnancy.
Quran 19 vs 34. That is Jesus son of Mary—the Word of truth about which they doubt.
And
35. It is not for God to have a child—glory be to Him. To have anything done, He says to it, “Be,” and it becomes.

Were you there when any of these commands made by Allah were made to be satisfied that he made this commands? It appears you need to have seen and heard this yourself to be convinced.

Muslims are the only people i know who would do everything to misinterprete the words of their Allah.
Allah did NOT say what you are inserting into his mouth!
Is the Quran not easy to comprehend again?
Jesus is the Spirit from Allah
Jesus is the Word of Allah
It cannot be clearer than this sir!

All you needed to do is also to answer the questions
a. What is a Spirit?
If you do not know what a spirit is, how can you understand that Jesus IS a Spirit

b. Is the breath of Allah spirit?
c. Is Jibril a spirit?

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Where were the descendants of Adam whom Allah extracted from him before they were or are born into the world?

You tell me!
I have shown you the implication if humans existed before they are born: is human being created as trinity/duality?
So, which one?

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Mr Co-creator enthusiasts can you show where Jesus co created other things outside the mold of the bird that he breated into that came to life by Allah's will not Jesus's?
Like stars, mountains, rivers etc.?
Why is this life creation limited to only birds. Can you show other creatures Jesus created?
Your condition is interesting as you failed to show Jesus created a fly or you surmise that since birds fly in the sky they are equal to the fly?

Are you wiser than your Allah?
What is the criteria given by Allah for the Creator?

Quran 22:73
O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!

Don't ask stupid question or I will ask you about where it is recorded in the Quran that Allah created the waters or the centipedes or the bacteria or the amoeba or the butterfly: this argument is feeble and at best lame.

Is it UNTRUE that Jesus created a BIRD exactly like Allah created Adam.

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So in Bukhari 4428 didn't lie but in the question I asked you he did?

How did you conclude this. I/we really want to know.

Once you answer my questions I've been asking you, you will see.

1. Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 a true or false occurrence?
If the above is TRUE,

2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”

ItShallPass:
There are no different bibles. There are only different English translations. The bible wasn't written in English.

He probably ignorantly doesn't know that there are at least 60 English Quran translations in existence.

Unfortunately, Hatun Tash produced evidence that they have at least 30 different Arabic Qurans of which hafs and Warsh Qurans are the most popular.

Hier:
Lolz, you nailed it

If an educated man can be deceived to still believe the quran is the direct word of God, then they need to be checked, do we talk about Jesus saying, all prophets prophesied until John, all prophets 🧐 for goodness sake💁, meaning all prophets has been sent, the last prophet was John the Baptist

After Jesus, there was no promised prophet, it is only the promises Holy Spirit, which is the promises Holy Spirit, how would anyone say Moha is the Holy Spirit 🤷🤷, can a human be a spirit 🤦🤦

This is why I advocate that Islam be taught in our churches. For Islam is submission to enslavement of satan while thinking through deception that you serve God.

Imagine a Medical doctor claiming that women has sperms and that the man's sperms become blood in conception.

Elementary Geography shows us that the sun is static, but Muslims thinks it Prostrate every day under the throne of Allah and through the murky waters

Alexander the great travelled till he reached the ends of the world and saw a people where the sun sets.


Even though the Qur'an gave them criteria for deciding if it was from God or not, the Spirit of Islam blinds them to see

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Adam and Eve were made from mud as the first humans and their descendants are made differently yet they all decompose back to dust/sand from which mud is derived?

Why are dead people buried back into the mud at least majorly?

1. Jesus wasn't made from mud (different from Adam)
2. Jesus was a Spirit from Allah and his Word.
If Jesus was a spirit FROM Allah, he Pre-existed before his incarnation.
3. All sons of Adam die and decompose : what happened to Jesus?

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Was Eve created from Adam?

Is it a lie that when the Angel appeared to Mary and she was troubled how she would have a child without a man the Angel said that is easy for Allah to do?
Quran 19:
19. (The angel) said: "I am only a messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.''
20. She said: "How can I have a son when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste''
21. He said: "Thus says your Lord: `That is easy for Me (Allah). And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed (by Allah

Quran 3:59
"Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him (i.e Adam) from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was."

Do you claim Isa a.s wasn't created by the command of Allah? Do clarify as you seem to put that Isa/Jesus created himself!

My argument is that
1. Qur'an is false as Jesus wasn't created by Be!
2. Qur'an is false because Adam wasn't created by Be!
3. The way Allah created Adam is completely different from Jesus.

You were the one who raise the issue of the difficulty of Allah creating Jesus all over from mud.
I have been careful to use the Islamic Narrative of how you claim Jesus was created. I am sure you know it is different from what the Bible states about the incarnation of Jesus.

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You selectively read Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit from Him

The word here is the creation command.

Quran 15:29
So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him

Do you notice that Allah breathed directly into the mold by himself regarding the creation of Adam but in the case of Jesus this is through a messenger who is the Angel?

All you needed to do is to answer the question
What is a Spirit?
If you do not know what a spirit is, how can you understand that Jesus IS a Spirit

Is the breath of Allah spirit?
Is Jibril a spirit?

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You say:
Quran 3:49
"And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe


Quran 5:110
Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'


By Allah's leave, By my leave (who's leave is this?)

All your argument is saying that Jesus is a CO-CREATOR with Allah only because Allah gave Him the permission/authority/power:
Do you agree with this?

Are you aware that in Quran 3:49, Jesus used the word I ( Me, Myself) : showing that HE did all He said (permission or no permission).

By the way who else in the Universe has been given this permission?
Is it Jibril or any of the Angels, is it Satan or any of the Jinn? Is it Mohammed or any of the Sahaba?

Are you aware that Allah gave a condition in the Qur'an to know who we can worship.
Can Baal or Shaitaan create a fly?

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Also the restraint of Children of Israel from violence doesn't extend to the prosecution and crucifixion you profess or this act is free of being categorised as violence?

The difference is clear as Allah's creation was not by leave of any other but Jesus creation of a bird was by leave of Allah.

On the issue of a poisoned lamb Muhammad pbuh was saved unlike the one who died immediately and he continued his prophethood and journeys until he completed his prophethood and chose to be in the hereafter.
Bukhari 466 (Sahih al-Bukhari Book 8, Hadith 455)

Mohammed was NOT saved from death from the poison he ate as he himself attested AND he was in pains throughout the ordeal.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Do you know better than your prophet?

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Let's pause here. Do answer my question

I would appreciate you first answer this before going on your charade of other questions to evade answering.

Okay!
The hadith is complete fabrication by Mohammed himself.
If you disagree with my position, a few questions from me will expose it.
Are you afraid!?

Hier:
Lol, do we talk about how there were thousands of copies in circulation after the death of Moha 😂😂😂, I heard they agreed on compiling the quran after then, and burnt the rest, you mean men tampered with this thing 😡😡 and you still call it the direct word of .... Direct🤥🤥, Who does that, why would men have to seat and decide this is what we want to have inside there, burn the rest. We didn't even see Jubril playing a part in the compilation, 🤣

Do we talk about how a lamb eat some verses when they were going about the burial of the doomed prophet. The Quran has not been tampered with, shadada, na format 😂😂😂

The Spirit of Islam comfuses even the learned professionals like Doctors and Lawyers, how much more the uneducated!

The Spirit of Islam is the spirit of lies and they are led by the Al-Makir (the Deciever) himself. There Qur'ans cannot be trusted in interpretation, their hadiths is full of lies, their prophet is the greatest 419 in history etc

All in the aim of replacing the Messaiah with Mohammed! Unless for grace, they would not see o! But we shall do our duty of exposing the dark secret of Islam and the truth in Christ that they might be saved

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Man like Tenq are now so pompous to determine what the creator should do and not do?

1.
a. Yes Jesus was created without a father but then which would be easier creating without just a father or creating without both a father and mother as is the case of Adam?

b. Also, from Adam, Eve was created without a father or mother unless you take Adam as her father since she was taken from him?

c. Verily, the likeness of ‘Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was.
Quran 3:59

d. Some claim is made that Jesus is Allah’s son because he was created without a father, then the same claim is more befitting of Adam who has no father or mother even more.

There is no such claim regarding Adam or even Eve as I have indicated above?

a. Is there something EASIER for God to do!?
Have you forgotten that even in Islam, ALL God needed to do was to speak "Kufayakun"!?
I am, diaaspointed in you that you have to ascribe something as easier to do for God!
b. WHat is the name given to the one who causes a Woman to have a child?
Is this not the father?
Adam and Eve do not have "fathers or mothers" for they were made from mud as first pair of creation.
One can only speak of a Father if there is a mother and vice versa!
Your argument is deflated sir.
c. The likeness of Jesus is NOT like that of Adam: this is an error.
i. Is it true that Adam was created from clay and molded by Allah's two hands?
ii. Is it UNTRUE that Allah NEVER said "BE" to Adam in his creation?
Adam wasn't created by "BE": was the command before Adam was molded or After Adam was molded?
On the Other hand,
Jesus existed with Allah before He entered into Mary
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit from Him.


Is Jibril not also a spirit?
d. I think I have already explained this.
Adam can truly have a father if he has a mother or vice vasal. Technically, Jesus has a Mother, thus he has a Father

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2. Where is Jesus stated to be a co creator with Allah? Any similitude of this expresses this with the will/leave of Allah and there's no indication of the creation of a human being.

Quran 3:49
"And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
Quran 5:110
Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

Can you please tell me the difference between how Allah created Adam and how Jesus created a Bird?
Is Jesu not a co-creator with Allah? LOL!!

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3. Jesus is still alive for his death is yet to come. Allah has saved him from a disgraceful are torturous killing to a future time when he will die and be buried. This time will be indicative of the time when the Earthly world will come to an end and judgement day will be.

Why did Allah not save the greatest prophet of all time Mohammed from the poisoned lamb and allowed him to go through this excruciating pain till he died?

Let me ask you this question:
When Allah saved Jesus from crucifixion, was it in secrete or in public?
Who else knew about this great miracle?

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4. a. Jesus and Mary untouched by Satan? Where did you get that Mary was untouched by Satan?

The Quran mentions that when Allah blessed
Jesus with support of the holy spirit, Satan could not hinder or harm him in any way. According to a hadith narrated by Abu Huraira, Satan wanted to touch the body of Jesus at birth but was rejected by Allah and had to take a retreat: "Allah sent a spider which spun a
web above the cradle of Jesus so that Satan
may not reach the body of Jesus."
(Al-Bukhari, 1564).


b. And finally you are now an expert of arabic language and couldn't provide an exact textual statement of Jihad from the Quran different from Kital?

You sure have a misinterpretation or translation of Quran 9:31 where you don't understand the interaction of verbs and subjects.

Do ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ and وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ not have a relation for verb and subject noun?

in comparison to مِّن دُونِ and ٱللَّهِ or you are confused due to the positions occupied by Allah and Isa?



c. I didn't accuse Isa of a Sin but showed that John the Baptist is referred to as pure and free of Sin.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمًا زَكِيًّا
"He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy.""


Recheck against your translation.

d. Sadly you refused or evaded to answer by asking questions why Isa will say, ‘My Lord is angry today with such anger as has never existed before nor will again,’ and he did not mention a sin. ‘O my soul!My soul! My soul! Go to someone else. Go to Muhammad

Kindly answer or submit you have no answer.
This is because going by your view that Jesus was sacrificed to redeem mankind (summarised) how come the 'sacrifice' isn't fulfilling it's work of being sacrificed?

a. I am surprised that you didnt know that your prophet said it

Sahih al-Bukhari 4548
Narrated Sa`id bin Al-Musaiyab:
Abu Huraira said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'No child is born but that, Satan touches it when it is born whereupon it starts crying loudly because of being touched by Satan, except Mary and her son." Abu Huraira then said, "Recite, if you wish: "And I seek Refuge with You (Allah) for her and her offspring from Satan, the outcast." (3.36)



b. Let me help you out

ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ (Ittakhadhoo) - They have taken
أَحْبَارَهُمْ (ahbara-hum) - Their scholars
وَرُهْبَٰنَهُمْ (wa-ruhbaanahum) - And monks
أَرْبَابًا (arbaaban) - As lords
مِّن (min) - From
دُونِ (dooni) - Besides
ٱللَّهِ (Allah) - Allah
وَٱلْمَسِيحَ (wa-al-Maseeha) - And the Messiah
ٱبْنَ (ibna) - Son
مَرْيَمَ (Maryam) - Mary


c.
So sorry that you cannot see the difference
Quran 19:19
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

Jesus Himself is the HOLY/PURE son.

Quran 19:12-13
[Allah] said, "O John, take the Scripture with determination." And We gave him judgement (while yet) a boy And affection from Us and purity, and he was fearing of Allah

John was given amongst other things PURITY (zakiyyan in context)


d. You want me to assume that Jesus truly spoke those words!?
I wouldn't have charged you with those questions IF it was Mohammed that spoke the words because I suspect that the hadith is MAWDU thus I asked you questions to authenticate the hadith.

Hence, before I respond to the question, i want to test the consistency of Islam by asking a few questions


1. Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 a true or false occurrence?

If the above is TRUE,

2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”

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Indeed your topic about an unknown whereabout of Hatan Behind is just a means to express your view and excessive worship of Jesus not who is to be worshipped.

Then kindly explain according to Islam good reasons why
1. Jesus was created by Allah without a father?
2. Why Jesus is a Co-Creators of life with Allah?
3. Why Jesus is still alive till today
4. Why only Jesus and His mother are the only humans untouched by satan
5. Finally, why did Allah say
Qur'an 9:31
ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَـٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَـٰهًا وَٰحِدًا ۖ لَّآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Did you read instead of Allah AND the Messiah

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Hopefully you wouldn't evade but can you explain why the word zakattan which means purity from filth, wickedness and sins is used for Yahya a.s (John the Baptist) in Quran 19:13?

Then if Jesus is sinless and the sacrificial lamb for all humanity how come then the hadith Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440
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They will go to ‘Isa and say, ‘O ‘Isa! You are the Messenger of Allah and His Word which He cast to Maryam and a spirit from Him. You spoke to people while in the cradle. Intercede with your Lord on our behalf. Do you not see what we are suffering?’ ‘Isa will say, ‘My Lord is angry today with such anger as has never existed before nor will again,’ and he did not mention a sin. ‘O my soul!My soul! My soul! Go to someone else. Go to Muhammad.'”........

1. Which sin do you accuse Jesus of sir?
Qur'an 19:19
He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

Was the word Fitrah also used for John or any other person apart from Jesus?

Is Qur'an 19:19 an error?

2. You assume to much my friend!

Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 a true or false occurrence?

If the above is TRUE,

Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”