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Natbrowny:
I see religious argument loading.

Religion IS EVIL.

Na better control mechanism

A loving GOD wil throw u in hell of burning fire forevwr for disobeying HIM, when he already knows u will disobey HIM as per. Omnipresent

Can you please find the phrase "Loving God" in the Bible?

Hier:
I just read that she was missing but she's fine,and I saw something about a probably investigation into her disappearance, lol, that woman is bad business for Islam😂😂😂

Just imagine how she bursted the lies on Only ONE Qur'an : only for us to see that Muslims had always known this but chose to spread lies

Hier:
The harvest is plentous bro, and I believe God is calling people into that ministry and yeaaah, there are need for labourers, I was following this man on Facebook then, like his posts are like, I converted 3 Muslims today, like 😱3 Muslims in a day, that's a level of grace, grace makes things easy, it reminds me of TL Osborne who went to India and made Muslims friends and.did all.that, but there was zero success, he went back to America and ran into William Maria Braham and he got fired up in his Spirit and just like that, grace started speaking cause he began to experience miracles and that brought many converts and lot and lot of souls were won. If there is a man to pray, there is a God to answer. TL Osborne is one of those Generals I desire his mantle and God would take us there

I perfectly agree with you.

Grace is a powerful force that makes a person achieve success seemingly without lifting up. Just look at Billy Graham : he would preach a "drab and cold" message only for him to make an Alter call and you see people rushing out in droves. Same with deliverance, healing etc.

We also need abundance grace for reaching out specifically to Muslims in Apologetics, Evangelism, Deliverance, Discipleship and Teaching.

I pray that God raises up people all over the nations at this end times and inspire the church to take up this ministry

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Interesting though as Christianity views Jesus as murdered on the cross as a sacrifice.

Wouldn't it have been nice for Hatun to follow suit and destroy the differences between Muslims and Christians.

Anyhoo congratulations. Your subject is addressed.

Jesus was sinless and thus able to be a sacrifice for the sin of mankind of those who believe on Him.
Hatun is a sinner just like everyone else therefore she herself needs a saviour as Christ.

Why is Jesus (and his mother) the only ones that satan did not touch at birth in this world?


Sahih Muslim 2366 c
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him with the exception of Mary and her son.


True children of God will lay down their lives if need be. It is part of our calling as people will murder us thinking that they do God a service.
John 16:2-3:
"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yes, the time comes, that whoever kills you will think that he does God service. And these things will they do to you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

And of course you qualify as you neither know the Father nor the Christ Himself.

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How many dialects of Arabic were there?

How many dialects of Fulani are there?

How many dialects of Yoruba are there?

Are the 'dialects' not Arabic or the same language?

Well maybe Ijebu is not Yoruba.

We are aware that dialects abound in any language, however and Obviously, Mohammed and Allah think that there are only SEVEN dialects of Arabic. Mohammed asked three times and Allah gave seven.

Do you want me to contradict both Allah and your Prophet in this?

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Good you show some acquaintance with type of Tafsir. Do you know the difference between them?

Is being Muslim validated by man or Allah?

How many lamguages are spoken in Ethiopia? Are Ethiopians an Arab tribe or Arabs?

What is the language of the Byzantines and their Roman affiliates?

Once you answer the questions below, everything will make sense



Is the Quran easy to understand in Arabic?

If the Qur'an was easy, can you explain why your prophet asked for the Qur'an in SEVEN dialects?

Is this hadith correctly stated by your prophet?


Sahih Muslim 821 a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.


1. If Mohammed was correct that the Arabs need seven Arabic dialects to understand the Qur'an, how many dialects of the Arabic Qur'an is in existence today?

2. If Arabs cannot understand the Qur'an unless it came in 7 dialects, how can you who is non-Arab claim any understanding?

You will agree with me that this is another proof that Mohammed was actually sent only to the Arabs.

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Hope you are better now that Hatun is no longer missing and looks a lot like she did an Agatha Cristie.

We give thanks to God she's not been murdered in the name of Allah.

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Pardon my entry into your conversation however to your question 1. Could you tell us what you know about Tafsir and it's types? Perharps when you do you will answer your question.

Tafsirs are simply explanations, meanings or commentaries to the Qur'an.
Two major groups
1. Tafsir bil Riwaya
2. Tafsir bil Al-Ra’y
There are five types of Tafsirs

However, it changes nothing because NO Muslim can have a personal interpretation of the Qur'an other than the consensus of your scholars.

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There's no contradiction in Quran 14:4 as immediately Prophet Muhammad may Allah's blessings be upon him started his message with those immediately around him then from there to other places. What is the distance between Ethiopia and Mecca?

Then in Quran 7:158 it was revealed that Say Oh Muhammad ; Oh Mankind! Verily I am sent to you all as a messenger of Allah- to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth.

Just as well in Quran 34:28 We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ only as a deliverer of good news and a warner to all of humanity, but most people do not know

Indeed for the emboldened you may be excused

1. Allah says he doesn't send prophets except in the language of his own people. Qur'an 14:4
2. Allah says Mohammed was sent to humanity consisting of several cultures and languages Qur'an 34:28, Quran 7:158

If Mohammed was a prophet, then he was sent only to the Arabs. A contradiction.

The main reason Allah stated was defeated on why he does that. Is it true that even Arabs do not understand the Qur'an without the opinions of the scholars?

For instance,
Who is Israel from the Qur'an?
Who is Khidr and why did he kill an innocent boy?

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And 3 you ask about Indeed, We have made this ˹Quran˺ easy in your own language ˹O Prophet˺ so perhaps they will be mindful.

in order that they may understand and know. Despite the fact that it is so plain and clear, there are still people who disbelieve, who stubbornly go against it.

Allah says to His Messenger, consoling him and promising him victory, and warning those who reject him that they will be destroyed.
(Wait then; verily, they (too) are waiting.) meaning, `they will come to know who will be victorious and whose word will prevail in this world and in the Hereafter. For victory will be for you, O Muhammad, and for your brothers among the Prophets and Messengers, and for the believers who followed you,' as Allah says:
(Allah has decreed: "Verily, it is I and My Messengers who shall be the victorious.'' Quran 58:21

Is the Quran easy to understand in Arabic?

If the Qur'an was easy, can you explain why your prophet asked for the Qur'an in SEVEN dialects?

Is this hadith correctly stated by your prophet?


Sahih Muslim 821 a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.


1. If Mohammed was correct that the Arabs need seven Arabic dialects to understand the Qur'an, how many dialects of the Arabic Qur'an is in existence today?

2. If Arabs cannot understand the Qur'an unless it came in 7 dialects, how can you who is non-Arab claim any understanding?

You will agree with me that this is another proof that Mohammed was actually sent only to the Arabs.

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Interesting that you are unable to provide correspondence from Hatun, DICC or other people you may know in common.

In any case the London Metropolitan Police say Hatun is no longer being treated as a missing person and it would not be appropriate for them to go into the details of either the investigation or any specific communication officers have had as part of it."

DCCI Ministries have also shared an update confirming that she has been in touch by email "saying that she is fine".

Did she reply your own email Tenq? Lol!

It is good that you took interest in her case, thanks so much. This was what my post was about: awareness of what the small woman singlehandedly did to unhinge the standard Islamic Narrative of ONE single un-adulteratred Qur'an. At least she exposed the lies of Islam and she's hated for it.

We were glad to hear of her mail even though many of us are speculating if it was done under duress but we shall wsit until we see her.

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How many times was she attacked and stabbed anyway? Or you refer to 1 attack and multiple stabs from 1 new convert/revert? Wish you know how naturally violent some westerners/Europeans could be and the independence of Islam in this?

How many times must she be stabbed and mauled before it becomes murder? She survived the intent of murder by the "born again" MUSLIM who has been posed of the Spirit of Islamic Jihad and violence. You have simply admitted that a person can become Muslim and still become unchanged in his nature and character

Hier:
I heard they did that a couple of times, but I would go online and do my findings, she really made a lot of expositories back then

That would be nice of you.

People of the Religion of Filth hate her so much for bursting the lie of single Unadulterated Arabic Qur'an

Death always win irrespective of how powerful or connected you are.

What you do before you die is all what matters:Live your life to bless other people and sow joy around

SIRTee15:
When we respond, it's not to cure them but to let them know we have the answers to their queries.
People come here to read comments and silence to their pompous apologetic questions may be misunderstood as ignorance on our side.

Just watch, he will never dare make an attempt to reply my mention because he wouldn't want to expose his ignorance and embarrass himself.
He will pretend as if he didn't read it.

Yes we do have answers but I prefer when they asked the question. Legalpig has no interest in engaging you on a fair term. He wants a situation when you don't talk Islam at all but designed his engagement to slander Christ and His church.

SIRTee15:
1. Where did u get the info that Roman Catholic is the oldest. Have u heard of eastern orthodox church?
2. I agree the word Trinity isn't in the bible just like the word Tawhid isn't in the Koran but form the overall core doctrinal basis of Islam.
But it's just too obvious to notice the manifestation of God in more than one person as u read thru the scripture.
Let's start with angel of the LORD. Who was the angel of the LORD who spoke to hagai in genesis and told her to name her son Ishmael. How did Hagai described this angel of the LORD?

3. Regarding how those oblivious of the gospel will be judge. TenQ already gave u the answer in Romans 2.
They will be judged according to the actions of their conscience since unto the pure all things are pure.
Same way kids will not be judged because it's believed they have a pure heart.

Don't waste your time with him. Anyone who thinks that the Holy Spirit is Jubril is at best confused and satanically inspired

LegalWolf:
LOL, humour me! Remember you’re the one who vowed to preach the gospel to me (as long as you are on Nairaland) not the other way round. So, why on earth would I talk about my faith, Ehn future thief?

So rather than running, why don’t you preach “the truth of gospel” to me rather than running like battling leprosy?

Squealing like allah's Piglet seeking attention!

LegalWolf:
I only quote the most relevant part of your post. I don’t respond to thrash. That should answer you.



This is hogwash as well. Is just like me telling you to “show me a single scripture that expressly states trinity in the Bible . Trinity is not Biblical”. You’ll definitely disagree with me that although it’s not expressly stated in the bible, but there are certain verses that the doctrine can be deduced. Isn’t it?


But it’s any event, what is not in dispute is:

1. The Catholic Church is the oldest extant form of Christianity;

2. It was from the Catholic Church that Protestants (including Pentecostal) churches sprang from.

3. A key doctrine of the catholic church is that the pope is your gods representative on earth.

4. The pope (as your gods representative) has sanctioned gay marriage.

5. You claim your gods’ representative is under satanic influence 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂


Is there any point above that is controverted? Imagine your god representative being under satanic influence. Hahahanaha yhwh oooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Since you cannot respond to this


Now, will you answer this my Question too:
1. Explain why Allah through his Destiny has already determined and chosen for you if you will enter Paradise or hell independent of your deeds on earth!

2. Does this not make you hopeless with respect to your salvation?

I do not give pigs of allah pearls!

LegalWolf:
I only quote the most relevant part of your post. I don’t respond to thrash. That should answer you.



This is hogwash as well. Is just like me telling you to “show me a single scripture that expressly states trinity in the Bible . Trinity is not Biblical”. You’ll definitely disagree with me that although it’s not expressly stated in the bible, but there are certain verses that the doctrine can be deduced. Isn’t it?


But it’s any event, what is not in dispute is:

1. The Catholic Church is the oldest extant form of Christianity;

2. It was from the Catholic Church that Protestants (including Pentecostal) churches sprang from.

3. A key doctrine of the catholic church is that the pope is your gods representative on earth.

4. The pope (as your gods representative) has sanctioned gay marriage.

5. You claim your gods’ representative is under satanic influence 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂


Is there any point above that is controverted? Imagine your god representative being under satanic influence. Hahahanaha yhwh oooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It is dishonorable to quote only that part that suits your narratives : when you grow up more matured call and and I will respond to you. With your new stance, it's a waste chatting with you

LegalWolf:
A response I didn’t reply to? Can’t find it. Or are you scared of quoting it?


What about the questions I asked about your grandfather? Don’t you want to preach the gospel to me again. I want to hear 🥹😊😊

LegalWolf:
Bunkum!



As I understand it, the Pope is God’s representative on Earth. In fact, one of the official titles of the pope is vicarius christi - representive of Christ/christian god. So, your god’s representative is under satanic influence, isn’t it ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cc: potential thief TenQ o🤣🤣🤣🤣

Are you ashamed to quote me properly?
Show me a single scripture that show that the pope is a representative of Christ. He is indeed a representative of allah

LegalWolf:
It is Satanic!

Thank you.

So Satan has captured the highest authority of the oldest and probably the most authentic branch of Christianity, isn’t it?

PS: I love it though. And I encourage it. Same way the Anglican Church ungendered and non-gendered yhwh. Imagine changing yhwh’s pronouns to it

The pope is NOT a prophet and NOT selected by God as a guide BUT your own very Prophet of Islam Qutham Muhammad ibn Abdullah and the one who guides you to the Islamic paradise is Satanic and under the spell of black magic

Is it UNTRUE that your highly esteemed Prophet of Islam Qutham Muhammad ibn Abdullah and the one who guides you to the Islamic paradise that
1. when he led prayers to and bowed to the three daughters of Allah.
2. When he allowed breastfeeding of adult men in Islam or
3. when he started kissing the polytheistic black stone of the Meccans
4. Or when Allah and Mohammed allowed prostitution for Muslims - Mutah!

You will agree with me that only satan can give such inspirations


You are even embarrassed to quote me properly!


https://www.nairaland.com/7948422/pope-approves-blessings-same-sex-couples/6#127619539





You want me to preach to you!?
What you need you have been given:!

Read up my earlier posts please.

It is impossible to install a new OS on a virus infected system without first formatting the system.

LegalWolf:
LOL!



On further reflection, let us talk about the underlined. I have a lot of time now than before. You will see me more on your timeline (at least, until new year). You can even create a new topic for you and I like you once did. So shall we begin??

In very few lines, answer this question:

1. Do you think I am going to hell for rejecting, denouncing, and possibly exterminating the purported message of eternal life (despite hypothetically living a righteous life)?

Is your name written in the book of Life?

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

LegalWolf:
2. If the answer is yes, I believe you are a Yoruba and at the first time the gospel was preached in your hometown, your grand parents probably did not accept the gift of eternal life before they died. If that were the case, do you think your great grandfather is currently in hell fire gnashing his teeth in eternal damnation?

Please support your answers with biblical references.

God reserves the right to judge as fit with his wisdom.
He who never heard is still guilty and has a proportionate punishment.

Luk 12:47-48:
"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For to whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

Romans 2:12-16
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus .

Now, will you answer this my Question too:
1. Explain why Allah through his Destiny has already determined and chosen for you if you will enter Paradise or hell independent of your deeds on earth!

2. Does this not make you hopeless with respect to your salvation?

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ

Please see the above and respond with “evidences”. Also, you’ve refused to engage with my comment on the Pope’s directive. Is your hunter running from my bushmeat? Don’t you want to tell me about the eternal gift again? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Check my response about the pope to you!

drlateef:
You are the one that needs sense. We don’t worship black stone. How many times are you going to hear that? Idol worshippers will not mince words by declaring that the statue they bow for is their god. We confirm to you that stone is not our object of worship but a symbol given to us by our object of worship which is Allah. That ends there.

This is a mere claim: as long as the stone has capacity to confer favours (forgive sin),

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”


Is it untrue that The black stone has the capacity to testify in your favour?

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/664). Al-Dhahabi agreed with him).
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

drlateef:
As regards Prophet Issa breaking the cross, yes that will be done. This is because the cross is an object of idol worship created by human beings. While the black stone is not an object of idol worship and was not made by man, Allah sent it down. That’s the major difference. Anything made for worship by man like the cross, is an object of idol worship.

I challenge you to check any of the religious books or literatures of the Catholics and find what capacity the cross has as benefit to them!

drlateef:
Muhammad does not speak or do things without the instruction of Allah. He must have got the instructions from Allah. And Allah says whatever Muhammad tells us we must do it.

Of course, only an slowpoke will believe he is seeing the real hand of Allah by looking at the stone. Every sensible person knows he was speaking metaphorically.

Is the black stone holy?
How can it then be metaphoric of the hand of Allah?
Don't forget that the black stone was a stone of worship by the polytheistic Arabian society.
Is Mohammed not just upgrading the black stone?

Is Umar's claim of the useless nature of the black stone true or false?

Sahih al-Bukhari 1597
Narrated `Abis bin Rabi`a:
`Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kissing you I would not have kissed you."

Hier:
I hope she's safe

I pray she's safe too. She had been stabbed and harmed a number of times by Muslims at speaker's corner.

drlateef:
Your first question already answered. It is symbolistic command from Allah.
The prophet destroyed all symbols of idolatry when he entered Makka after its conquest. Anyone who tells you he worshipped idols is a liar. And we don’t worship the stone you have been told.
It is metaphor to say they have seen the hand of Allah. Because nobody sees any parts of Allah. It is like saying you have an endorsement from Allah if you see the stone.

I don’t know about Christians liking Hatun. Ask them.

You make no sense sir.
You Muslims claim that when prophet Isah comes again, he is going to break the cross: if this is true, why shouldn't he also pulverise the black stone?

Even though you claim that the act of kissing or touching the black stone is symbolic, it's the same for idol worshippers.
They have a carved or molded image symbolising their god and they expect favours from their god as a result of revering their gods by symbolic acts of cleaning, feeding, kissing, touching etc their idols.

How are you even better than the Catholics who bow and pray to God in front of their crosses?

When did Mohammed receive the command for the black stone?


As per seeing the shape of Allah, your prophet seem to completely disagree with you.

LegalWolf:
It is Satanic!

Thank you.

So Satan has captured the highest authority of the oldest and probably the most authentic branch of Christianity, isn’t it?

PS: I love it though. And I encourage it. Same way the Anglican Church ungendered and non-gendered yhwh. Imagine changing yhwh’s pronouns to it

The pope is NOT a prophet and NOT selected by God as a guide BUT your own very Prophet of Islam Qutham Muhammad ibn Abdullah and the one who guides you to the Islamic paradise is Satanic and under the spell of black magic

Is it UNTRUE that your highly esteemed Prophet of Islam Qutham Muhammad ibn Abdullah and the one who guides you to the Islamic paradise that
1. when he led prayers to and bowed to the three daughters of Allah.
2. When he allowed breastfeeding of adult men in Islam or
3. when he started kissing the polytheistic black stone of the Meccans
4. Or when Allah and Mohammed allowed prostitution for Muslims - Mutah!

You will agree with me that only satan can give such inspirations


You are even embarrassed to quote me properly!

Ohyoudidnt:
In what language is the Quran revealed or recited? Oh you've lost the numerous languages of revelation of the Bible but then aren't your prophets predominantly Israelites.
Where are sefat kena'an or Judean.

Tell me is the revelation first made before the people are thought the language. The Quran was revealed to the people in the language they understand abiding by the norms of the language they understand.


We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (Qur’an 14:4)


We have made the Qur’an easy in your language so that they may take heed it. (Qur’an 44:58)


If We had made it a foreign Quran (recitation), they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur’an 41:44)


Note that there is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the white superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the white — except by piety.

1. Unfortunately for you, Qur’an 14:4 is false?
Why? The Qur'an is not even understood by Arabs. If the Qur'an was true, how come you have so many Tafsirs that explain what is supposed to be clear speech of Allah?
Without the Tafsirs and the consensus of your scholars, is it allowed for any Muslim to interpret the Qur'an according to his understanding of the plain text of the Qur'an?


2. If Qur’an 14:4 is true, do you conceded that Mohammed is sent ONLY to the Arabs except you agree that there is a CONTRADICTION in the Qur'an : If Allah NEVER sent a prophet in the language of his people, who are the prophets sent to every tribe in Nigeria?
Allah gave his reason for this: is this reason invalid?

3. Is Qur’an 44:58 true?

drlateef:
Look! We don’t hide who we worship. He is Allah. Whatever He tells us to do, we do in obedience to Him. Blackstone cannot be our God, it is just a piece of stone from paradise sent to this world by Allah. We don’t worship it. There are a few symbols which we use as part of our worship of Allah. Because He commands us to do so.

1. So, why do you kiss the blackstone and why does it have the power to intercede for you Muslims?
2. How different from Idolatory is this practice ascribed to your prophet

Sunan Ibn Majah 2957
Humaid bin Abu Sawiyyah said:
...
When he reached the Black Corner (where the Black Stone is), he said: O Abu Muhammad! What have you heard about this Black Corner? ‘Ata’ said: Abu Hurairah told me that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: “Whoever faces it is facing the Hand of the Most Merciful.’”
....


3. You may wish to educate us on when the Almighty Allah gave Mohammed the command of touching and kissing the Black stone?

4. You did not explain how Christians like Hatun. Tash would be a ransom for you from the fire of Hell?

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You remind me of an old acquaintance from over 2 decades back who says you can act intelligent by confidently misyarning. In other words when you boldly say rubbish you may fool people who don't know

The Uthman codex is the standard
text of the Quran which was
compiled and edited by the caliph
Uthman in the 7th century. It
included seven different riwayahs or
textual variants and all of them were
preserved and accepted as the
authentic and standard text of the
Quran.

You see your poor understanding of 1 that can accommodate all 7?

1. What you seem to be telling me is that Uthman's Qur'an is seven different Qur'ans in one book. Is this correct?
2. I wish to be corrected sir: Mohammed received seven Arabic DIALECTS of the Qur'an so that you may not be confused and not textual variants: is the textual variants confirmed to be the dialects?
3. You will agree with me that change in dialects should not change the MEANING of a Recitation (just as even a change in Language should not change the meaning of a recital) : What if we can show you clear differences in meanings?
4. Is there any hadith at the time of Uthman that says that Uthman failed to standardise the Qur'an?
5. Can you show a copy or a fragment of the Uthman Qur'an as EVIDENCE that the seven dialects are in his manuscript?

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In addition to the 7 well-known recitations, there are many other lesser-known recitations, each of which
has its own set of rules and regulations. These
additional recitations are believed to bring greater reward to the recitor due to the added emphasis on gaining Allah's pleasure. Each of the seven primary recitations has been thoroughly documented and is widely accepted by the Islamic community at large. By
reciting any of these seven recitations correctly, the recitor receives duas from innumerable angels,
attaining Added Mercy. Aside from reciting from the 7 riwayah, there are many other reasons why a muslim may choose to recite from other sources. These reasons include enhancing one's understanding of the language and interpretation, personal preference, exploring additional sources of hadith and other related religious data, and creative expression.

But this is Not the Question.
1. Are you backtracking on your claim that there is only ONE Qur'an?
2. Which of the Qur'ans in existence is the exact colour py of the Qur'an in heaven?

Explore2xmore:
Can you clarify what the difference between
Ibn Kathir an Tha'labi, Khalaf an Hamzah and
Khallad an Hamzah for a good example?

To your third question kindly elucidate on what meaning has changed.

I have the Warsh Qur'an and the Hafs Qur'an. I can show you differences in MEANING from them if you CARE (they are the most popular Qur'ans in use)

Explore2xmore:
Does this question seem intelligent?
If he destroyed all and left one where then did the others arise from?

I should be the one asking you this question!

1.Is it untrue that Uthman created a SINGLE standardised Qur'an and distributed it to several cities for you Muslims After burning variants?

Explore2xmore:
Uthman may Allah be pleased with him only acted to ensure that the Quran remained standardised and the message wasn't lost.

He ensured the standard structure that could accommodate the different styles of recitation and encouraged the consciousness of a body to see this remains so. This has been maintained all these centuries.

2. Can you explain why we have more than seven Arabic Qur'ans in existence.


Let me help you out with a list
Hafs an Aasim
Warsh an Naafi'
Qalun an Naafi'
Al-Duri an Abu Amr
Khalaf an Hamzah
Khallad an Hamzah
Ibn Kathir an Tha'labi
Al-Kisa'i an Abi Amr
Ibn 'Amir an Shaybah
Hisham an Ibn 'Amir
Abu Ja'far an Madinah
Yaqub an Nafi'
Ruways an Rawh
Rooh an Rawh
Ishaq an Ibrahim
Idris an Dawood
Isa an Ubayd


3.Even if the Qur'an was revealed in 20 dialects or styles of recitations, should the MEANING change?

I've shown you several differences in meaning between the Warsh and Hafs Qur'an!

Explore2xmore:
I see you had been responded to before besides this is a recycled malicious mischief.

You are aware that there are 7 recitations of the Quran all of which were revealed. Be it Hafs or Warsh they are from Allah.
Is it alarming or surprising to you that this was done through one person?

Are you unaware that there are quite a number who have memorized all these recitals?

Do you state there being significant difference in the message conveyed in these different styles of recitation?

1. How can this be true when Uthman destroyed all the existing Qur'ans and replaced it with one specifically in the Quraish dialect.

Is this UNTRUE?


2. Can you explain why we have more than seven Arabic Qur'ans in existence.


Let me help you out with a list
Hafs an Aasim
Warsh an Naafi'
Qalun an Naafi'
Al-Duri an Abu Amr
Khalaf an Hamzah
Khallad an Hamzah
Ibn Kathir an Tha'labi
Al-Kisa'i an Abi Amr
Ibn 'Amir an Shaybah
Hisham an Ibn 'Amir
Abu Ja'far an Madinah
Yaqub an Nafi'
Ruways an Rawh
Rooh an Rawh
Ishaq an Ibrahim
Idris an Dawood
Isa an Ubayd


3.Even if the Qur'an was revealed in 20 dialects or styles of recitations, should the MEANING change?

I've shown you several differences in meaning between the Warsh and Hafs Qur'an!

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ

What do you think of this directive?

It is Satanic!

As if he was following the script of the prophet of Allah- Mohammed
1. when he led prayers to and bowed to the three daughters of Allah.
2. When he allowed breastfeeding of adult men in Islam or
3. when he started kissing the polytheistic black stone of the Meccans
4. Or when Allah and Mohammed allowed prostitution for Muslims - Mutah!

You will agree with me that only satan can give such inspirations

Explore2xmore:
Ignorance unequalled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7s902-WdkE

Then surely you can educate all by responding to a simple question :


Which one of the Hafs or the Warsh Qur'an is the Quran of Allah?

drlateef:
Well her eyes will open in hell fire…….eventually. Because Christianity is idol worship. No doubt about that.

Then explain why your prophet kissed the black stone?

Also explain how the black stone will intercede for you Muslims on judgment day?

Can you then please explain how Christians like Hatun. Tash would be a ransom for you from the fire of Hell?

gaskiyamagana:
We are not here now. We are still wondering about one of your Christianity branch, the Chatolic church who gave approval of biblical God blessings for same sex marriage.

Certainly not from the teachings of Christ nor the Bible. Anyone can give himself any title on earth as it means NOTHING if they are not doing the will of God.


Mat 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven."




Unfortunately, this abberation does not make Islam correct.

Didn't your God give you command for prostitution in the Qur'an before your prophet annuled it?

This is about your God and your prophet as they both failed the test of morality


I guess you will answer my question next year : I am still waiting