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Ohyoudidnt:
You see the complication of your problem. The jewish priests could not on their own kill Jesus for disparaging their ways but cooked up an allegation of treason for which the Roman rulers are said to have been compelled to crucify him.

Is what is said in Mark 15:44 put there by one who had no right to? Does it not clearly state that Pilate was surprised he was already dead?

Are you familiar with the phrase hidden in plain sight ?

You see the subtle clues in only 1 appointed disciple being present, surprise of Pilate at the quickness of his death?


Anyway as I say it's your belief or fantasy so please do it very well for yourself

If I understand you correctly, your view is that
1. Jesus was crucified on the cross
2. However, Jesus did not die on the cross
If this is correct,
can you please fill me in to exactly what happened to Jesus up to when he was taken to Allah in heaven except its all a conjecture.

What is the true story sir?

Ohyoudidnt:
Shurahbil ibn Amr the Governor and representative of the vassal Ghassanid confederation (authority) under the Byzantine Empire in southern Syria region was Christian.

He killed the emissary of Prophet Muhammad pbuh Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi or didn't he?
What was the provocation?

I thought that Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi died in the battle of Badr?

Please judge this case:
I went to Saudi Arabia as a Missionary of Jesus Christ to convert Saudi citizens to Islam. If someone out of zeal murdered me for trespassing, have they done evil?

Who provoked who in this case (as the Saudi citizens are not irreligious)?

Ohyoudidnt:
I failed to ask if AbdulMutallab successfully carried out an attack?

Do Jews who are accused of persecuting and getting Jesus crucified accept this statement?

You talked about disciples being deceived however how many of them if any was present at the actual crucifixion?

Did he carry out his order?
Did his explosive not backfire?

Except you provide Jewish sources on the contrary, they crucified Jesus with the help of the Roman government.

Even One Disciple is enough because they were afraid. But the Bible listed at least five disciples (one man and four women)

mhmsadyq:
From "Happy 2024" to gbas gbos?

I Seek Refuge in Allah from the evil machinations of Satans on Nairaland.

Anyways, for me and my family this 2024 and beyond;

Allah is Sufficient for Us!

I wish you a happy new year my friend from last year. I pray that you find peace and prosperity and blessings for your whole family too.

Expanse2020:
.you don japa

1. Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allah and his angels pray to (or for) the Prophet ۚ O you who believe, pray for him and give peace

Who is Allah praying to?


Secondly,

2. Can you tell me why Allah recites the shahada in Quran 2:255?

Who is Allah testifying to?

Lukuluku69:
Same way Jesus went to Hellfire when "it is finished" where he was strung up.

Exactly!
You read that Jesus went to Hell!?
Why don't you say what happened after?


Please answer my question :

Is it true or untrue that Muslim babies can go TODAY hell fire?



AND



Why would Muslims after all these righteousness still end up in the fire (even if it is temporarily)?
in Qur'an 19:71

Expanse2020:
I bet when your pastor is teaching you in bible study he further explain what is int he bible or when you are in school the teacher further explain what in the textbook to fully illustrated what is the book...
Prophet Muhammad S.A..
W explain more in the details whenever he received the verses from Allah..

Quran 2:255? Explain how he recite the verse to himself because he was tell Muhammad to tell his people about greatness and oneness of Allah 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This is contrary to the words of Allah as the Qur'an was revealed in great details

Qur'an 7:52
For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe.



If the Quran was explained in great details why does it need more explanation and hundreds of Tafsirs to understand it?

Expanse2020:
Quran 33:56 please post the English translation for people to see

Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allah and his angels pray to (or for) the Prophet ۚ O you who believe, pray for him and give peace

1. Who is Allah praying to?


Secondly,

2. Can you tell me why Allah recites the shahada in Quran 2:255?

Who is Allah testifying to?

Expanse2020:
At least is in the bible how Jesus pray to God almighty but what confusing is how God pray to God and also please show me the word trinity in Bible
Tha.ks

I will show you after you show me Taoheed in the Qur'an.

I am waiting!
To you Allah is limited as a human
He has to physically leave his throne every third part of the day to hear your prayers here on earth.

Your God is exactly like you are: limited to one place at a time

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.

Allah testifies to it in a book you disagree with? My point is what exactly do the jews say in their own books?

Please quote what the Jews say in their Talmud as I know of nothing.
Why do you doubt the words of Allah: you made the claim remember it wasn't me!

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.
Christians say the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world but what messiah do the jews expect? The one with a kingdom not in this world? Jews expert a messiah who will restore Israel to them and rebuild the temple isn't it?

The Jews killed Jesus because they are at variance with his doctrine.
You are making my point.

Do you think the Jews will kill their Messiah?

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.

Christians are strongly tied to the crucifixion story as stories in other myths yet Jesus was a jew and spoke against the acts of the Judaic leaders.

For a certainty there can be no Christianity unless the lie of crucifying the christ is not upheld.

The crucifixion of Jesus is NO myth. It is history. It is Allah and his prophet that created a myth about the cruxifoof Jesus. This is why you have no explanation for anything about it.

Even Atheistic secular scholars do not disagree with the crucifixion of Jesus.

Show me one single non Muslim that thinks it's a myth

Ohyoudidnt:
Very comical.
The Taoheed is a concept of monotheism and very many verses of the Quran speak of this. The Trinitarian belief is mainly implied and needed council meetings to address these difference and enforce such belief. This was in a Roman state where Christians were being persecuted. How easy is it to align with what the prosecutors say that seem to agree with parts of your faith? A win-win for the persecuted and persecutors isn't it? Similar suggestion was made to Muhammad pbuh and this was flatly refused.

Then show me one verse of the Qur'an with the word Taoheed on just one place in the hadith your prophet mentioned the word Taoheed.?

Taoheed was enforced on you Muslims by people who were not even prophets of Allah

Ohyoudidnt:
You share verses but it is very well established that Jesus had 12 disciples particularly mentioned as his followers.

Does Matthew 10:2-4 not name these 12 disciples?

Does Mark 3:16-19 not say Jesus appointed these 12 disciples?

Your narration tries to force that Jesus appointed other disciples but this is capital NO sir.

I guess you have a problem of Comprehension. Disciple is a generic word for followers of Jesus and it includes the 12 Apostles who are also disciples.

Luk 6:13:
"And when it was day, he called to him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"

Jesus did not appoint disciples He appointed Apostles who were first disciples.
English comprehensive is disturbing you fa!

Ohyoudidnt:
Why must Mary not talk? Or was she prevented? Why does not a another witness that was this close and is said to have witnessed it all not say what happened?

Then force her to talk.

Ohyoudidnt:
Is it untrue that Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died as stated in Mark 15:44

In anycase you are free to believe your fantasy or conviction but don't impose it on me or others.

Oh, they said a person CANNOT die until such has spent 20 straight hour on the cross?

I heard from Ahmed Deedat that Jesus fell into a swoon on the cross and the fresh breeze woke him up. Is it true?

Please let me know!

Expanse2020:
Perhaps you should read what I sent you and justify it what you are looking for
If you of al-sirat brigde and the passing of people to Paradise through the bridge and you still argue baseless toor there is nothing to prof to you because you didn't read what am sending you but rather asked a question repeatedly that shows of ignorant attitude.

Allah did not speak of the sirat bridge in Quran 19:71-72 nor anywhere in the Qur'an : it's a shame you didn't know that

Allah says he will remove you from the fire while leaving the evildoers hobbling on their knees. Did you read about any bridge there?
This means that you ans the evil doers will be in hell fire before Allah removes you.

Check again!

Expanse2020:
Secondly you should show me where in Quran said children will enter fire if you want me to provide answer to you on it....
And you state the basement of your religion too how Jesus pray to God and how Christians follow his suite.....

Did I say the Qur'an says children will enter the fire!? When?

Your prophet Qutham Mohammed ibn Abdullah was the one who said so o!


Or he didn't say so?

Expanse2020:
Enlightening us how Jesus your Lord pray to God almighty (you may also show us how he dance, belling, Drumming,sing too if time permits you)
Thanks

You are on a hot seat and your best bet is to change the topic.

In the Light of the Trinity, Jesus can speak to the Father and the Holy Spirit can both speak to the Father and the Word.

Can you tell me why Allah recites the shahada in Quran 2:255?


Can you tell me who Allah and his angels pray to here for Mohammed?

Quran 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا

Expanse2020:
No I have shown you the evidence form Quran
19 vs 65 -73
Those who will be thrown to fire is unrighteous people and everybody will pass through hell through hell from The brigde of assarat and the unbelievers or unrighteous will be doom on that day but Muslim or the believer or Righteous people will pass as thier good the is as big
Some will pass like the way sound travel
Some will run
Some will work
Some we knees and walk
But those will fall on the hell fire will not make because they are unrighteous fellas and they will be burnt.... That the tafseer you want me to give you
And if you are still in doubt and concerned that if the Muslim or believer pass on the bridge of the hell and they will be burn..
I will advise you to read on how Abraham broke all the dieties his father generation was worship and how they throw it into the Fire but not a bit of a strand hair get burnt and the fire was as cool as the coolest inside..and he came out after somedays....it's another definition of how Muslim can pass through the Hell on the day of Judgement and nothing will happen to us......
It's you that you should worry on how you are gonna not end up in eternal flames ...
As you denied faith they will still asked later on that day didn't they show you how Jesus and other prophet pray to the God... Why didn't you hear but Alas it is late..,.
But not late now as am reminding you

Have you made research on your own how JESUS pray to God...
How can God pray to another God
How can God die
How can God didn't have power on earth to stop killing of him
Have you think through the way I worship is the way YEHESUA (PBUH) and other prophets worship...did they actually dance, sing, belling, Drumming to God for praying
Have you taught of who you are worshiping well
Alot of question you should asked yourself

There is no denying that unrighteous people should be in the fire.


My question is NOT about them. My question is about you righteous Muslims


So why would Muslims after all these righteousness still end up in the fire (even if it is temporarily)?
in Qur'an 19:71

This is my question!

Secondly,

You did not explain how a Muslim baby can go to the fire!

I am waiting.

Perhaps you should show me why and where in the Quran said Muslim kids will enter fire

Ohyoudidnt:
Is what I say false?
1. Do jews and Judaism agree with the Christian belief of a crucified Jesus?

Yes!
Even Allah testified to it.

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Do Christuans not say the kingdom of Jesus is not of this world?

True

Ohyoudidnt:
3. Does this dispute not agree with and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not?

Only Muslims are confused over it.

The Jews even boast about it (because the killed Jesus)
The Christians rejoice in it (Because Jesus resurected from the dead)
Muslims are full of uncertainty about it.
Till today, they don't know who was crucified.
They don't know how He was taken to heaven.

Muslims alone are full of conjectures

Ohyoudidnt:
4. Do the early council meetings up until the enforcement of the Trinitarian doctrine by the Romans not also fit into doubts about the nature of Jesus and what actually happened?

Using your Argument :
1. Taoheed is not found in the Qur'an
2. Mohammed never used the word Taoheed in the hadiths
Therefore, the Caliphs after Mohammed and your scholars enforced Taoheed unto you Muslims.

How about that?

Ohyoudidnt:
5. Of all 12 disciples only John is reported to have witnessed the Crucifixion. How strangely convincing? You refer to Mary his mother and Mary Magdalene witnessing the crucifixion and I ask if they too are classified as disciples?

All followers of Jesus including the 12 Apostles were disciples of Christ.

Mat 27:57: "When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:"

Luk 14:26: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Luk 19:37: "And when he was come near, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;"

John 6:66: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

Acts 1:15: "And in those days Peter stood up in the middle of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty, )"

Ohyoudidnt:
6. Where are clear statements of Mary on the crucifixion process?

Must she talk at the cross where her son was crucified and in pains?

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=127758303][/quote]Were you overloaded with end time narratives !?


You still have not answered why a devoted Muslim will first enter the fire?

ThatHausagirl:
Kai ni ba sa'ar ka bace... Kuku find who you wan do your nonsense with...
Why refer her to an animal tho?

Sorry to hurt your feeling ma.
I never called her an animal or specifically a cow. I said that she is confused...(figure of speech - like a rabid cow). Cows do not usually catch rabies. This describes how violent she's been in her response and attitude to posts.

By the way, what is the Trinity as described by Allah?

Did Allah not say we should worship Allah AND the Messiah in the Qur'an?

In Qur'an 9:37, we see Allah implying that people should worship him AND the Messiah. Modern Muslim scholars are trying to hard to misrepresent the Arabic of the verse to read something milder, however in the Arabic, the damage is already done

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

ThatHausagirl:
Kina bani dariya😂😂 LWKM

Which lesson did she teach you?

She's as confused as a rabid cow!

LegalWolf:
Of course, I'm only glued to your god's pathway. Like Mathew purportedly reported, when the tempter tried to confuse him, your god did exactly what you now accuse me:


Don't confuse me with your deceit because I have already made up my mind

Or would you say your god was wrong to have done what you now accuse me of?

No sir!
LegalWolf is like:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!

To him this attitude is wisdom!


What is the deceit in

Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Did Allah not promise you temporary stay in hell fire?


So why would Muslims after all these still end up in the fire (even if it is temporarily)?

This is my question!

Expanse2020:
In the verse you put there I didn't see where it's said all Muslims will enter fire maybe you should sheld a better light to that

So tell me, who is Allah referring to (if they are not Muslims) in
Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Show me one tafsir that says Qur'an 19:71 refer to other than Muslims

Expanse2020:
Am saying the same thing in the Quran verse that Allah said
Quran 19 vs 65
That you should worship him alone(don't compare anyone to him) not 3 in 1 if you want enter paradise

Lord of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them - so worship Him and have patience for His worship. Do you know of any similarity to Him?"

Vs 69
Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst (evils one) against the Most Merciful in insolence.

Please in your own sentence please explain this verse69 for me before you jump to 70😂😂😂
Vs70 Allah. Said he only know those who will deserve to enter fire.. So please where did you see all Muslim will enter fire first
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Then of course, We are most aware of those who are more deserving to enter it (the Jahannam ).

So why would Muslims after all these still end up in the fire (even if it is temporarily)?

This is my question!

You did not explain how a Muslim baby can go to the fire! I am waiting.

Expanse2020:
I asked you to show me in the bible where Jesus or others Prophets said what will happen in the day of Judgement.
Please I demand answer to it.

Without adding anything of my own

Mat 24:4-15,21-26:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come. When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand: ) … For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say to you, See, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Why if they shall say to you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."


John 5:22-29:
"For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son: That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life. Truly, truly, I say to you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself; And has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation."

Mat 7:21-23:
"Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity."


The whole book of Revelation is an expose on the details of occurences at the end time presented in an allegorical manner for the wise.

Rev 20:10-15:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."



The Book of Daniel for the wise

Dan 12:1-13:
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But you, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was on the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was on the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by him that lives for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go your way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waits, and comes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go you your way till the end be: for you shall rest, and stand in your lot at the end of the days."



Tell me what Allah says in the Qur'an about the End time

Bintdawood:
Which of the Jesus? The son, the father or the holy Spirit? 😂

You said that you love deception didn't you?

Please don't as it always end in tears!

Expanse2020:
I think you can read what I posted to you and if you can remove sentiment then from the previous verse it shows those that Allah will punish . ... And the verse didn't said everybody will enter hell fire there rather pass by and the wrongdoers will fell to the pitch of the fire

It says you Muslims will enter the fire!

Quote me a Tafsir that differ?

The argument of Muslims had always been that you will pass over hell using the bridge of sirat.

I should not be the one teaching you this.

Is it true or untrue that Muslim babies can go to hell fire?

Ohyoudidnt:
Do Jews and Judaism believe in the crucifixion of Jesus?

Judaism does not agree that Jesus was crucified. In fact, the crucifixion of Jesus is a pivotal point of divergence between Judaism and Christianity. According to Jewish beliefs, Jesus was not the messiah and therefore could not have been crucified as the messiah.

The concept of the messiah in Judaism is very different from the one in Christianity. In Judaism, the messiah is seen as a human leader who will bring peace and prosperity to the world, restore the Jewish people to their homeland, and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus did not fulfill these criteria, so he cannot be considered the messiah in the Jewish faith.

You may say that when Jesus returns he will do this but the question is will the jews keep waiting for this and in this coming will Jesus according to your views not be coming to judge? How then will he judge the jews who wouldn't have had the chance to know him as the messiah?

Also why are there differing views as to which day Jesus was allegedly crucified? Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? Why the confusing non consensus?

Muslims can lie for Africa even against the words of Allah.

I guess it was the Romans speaking here
Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Are you contradicting the almighty Allah?

There is no argument against when Jesus was Crucified - the day of preparation for the high sabbath on Thursday sir.

Ohyoudidnt:
Shurahbil ibn Amr the Governor and representative of the vassal Ghassanid confederation (authority) under the Byzantine Empire in southern Syria region was Christian.

He killed the emissary of Prophet Muhammad pbuh Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi or didn't he?
What was the provocation?

I failed to ask if AbdulMutallab successfully carried out an attack?

Do Jews who are accused of persecuting and getting Jesus crucified accept this statement?

You talked about disciples being deceived however how many of them if any was present at the actual crucifixion?

John the Disciple of Jesus was present
Mary the Mother of Jesus was present... amongst others.

John 19:25-27:
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he said to his mother, Woman, behold your son! Then said he to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."

What do you have other than conjectures?

Bintdawood:
I love the deception! Leave me😝

You love deception!?


Are you sure you are the one truly speaking or a demon of shaitan?

Did you read what your religious books says? That you. must of necessity go to hell fire. Only that the Qur'an never stated how long you will spend there.

Please don't go to hell and don't be deceived as both will lead to everlasting regret! Jesus loves you too much for that!

Expanse2020:
You supposed start from verse before it to show who will enter fire first if it Muslim or pagan like you🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Quran 19:60-61
Except those who repent, believe and do righteousness; for those will enter Paradise and will not be wronged at all.
Therein are] gardens of perpetual residence which the Most Merciful has promised His servants in the unseen. Indeed, His promise has ever been eminent.
65-68

Lord of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them - so worship Him and have patience for His worship. Do you know of any similarity to Him?"
And man [i.e., the disbeliever] says, "When I have died, am I going to be brought forth alive?"
Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.1

69-73
Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.
You can see extract from (righteous from unrighteous)

Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.

And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.

Then We will save those who feared Allāh and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Which of [our] two parties is best in position and best in association?"1


Maybe you should read with clearer mind to see what you want to gain..

Who ever read a book of God and adding or subtracting to it will be consume with eternal fire

It seems you don't know Islam or your scholars have Taqqiya-ed you.


Is it Untrue or True that that even sinless Muslim babies can go to the fire of hell?

How much more you!

Expanse2020:
If our prophet Muhammad S.A.W. didn't know what will happen in the day of Judgement he told some part of it
But I doubt if your JESUS have clue of what will happen on the day of Judgement share it with us and let see

Note
Muslims don't celebrate any Pagan idolatry day such as 25th December of Saturn God which you claim they born Jesus nor 1 January which Roman celebrate Janus, your religion festive don't even have basis for festive...you guys are clueless

I am saying what Allah said about you in the Qur'an


Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...

That you will enter the fire!


Do you want to end up in the fire?

LegalWolf:
Lol, even if I'm tempted to hear anything, it shouldn't be from a character like you. That's my central point. Nothing more nothing less.

I find myself in the same position with your god in Math 4:1-11. If there's anybody to offer me anything, it shouldn't be a despicable impostor like you.

Anyway, how is your rape defending lawyer friend?

LegalWolf is like:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!

To him this attitude is wisdom!

Ohyoudidnt:
Is this untrue?

Umar AbdulMutallab's father said he had approached the US and Nigerian authorities to warn them about his son's views in November - weeks before the attempt to destroy the flight to Detroit.

Nigerian media quoted Mr Mutallab, an influential banker who is well connected in Nigerian politics, as saying his son first became radicalised while studying at the British School in Lome (BSL), Togo.

Umar was an engineering student at a UK college between 2005 and 2008 so was his radicalisation from Nigeria, Togo or UK?

You talk like there wasn't Eastern Roman military presence in Persia snd Arabia from the late 6th century?

What I ask is that,
Would it be right if USA attempt to wage war on Nigeria because of this event?

All I am showing you is that it is you Muslims who wage the wars against others: there is NOTHING defensive about Mohammed's war with Christians AND Qur'an 9:28-29 have no basis of application on Christians.

Ohyoudidnt:
Are Banu Qurayzah the only tribe of Jews or followers of Judaism in Arabia?
You obviously feign ignorance or might not be aware the Qurayzah had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended leaving them alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort. (Infiltrating your opponents to attack from within?)

Some were punished for treason and these were all who qualified as fighting men of the tribe, since they were the ones who would have taken part in the hostilities out of tribal obligation. Excluded were the pre-pubescent boys, and one elderly man (though he later chose punishment voluntarily).

Some of these Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it.

They helped you to dig trenches during the war then still decided to fight you!?
Please who did the Jews of Banu Qurayza killed amongst the Muslims?
Why did a whole city get the blame and sentenced to death while they were farming and doing their daily chores.

Could it be that it was an excuse to take their wealth?
What happened to diplomacy before the massacre?

Ohyoudidnt:
Being one who thrives on confusion you start to ask other questions before your initial questions are fully addressed. Are you ashamed of the unpalatable history of the Byzantines?

It is because you usually avoid answering questions.

Ohyoudidnt:
Anyway
1. There are different views as to who was crucified but there isn't certainty. Some view this to be Judas Iscariot perhaps an explanation for divergent views if what happened to him after the alleged crucifixion despite being paid 30 silver coins. He threw these away in the temple or bought land yet still hung himself.

A young disciple of Jesus who was reluctantly accepted and took on the form of Jesus.

In any case as was earlier mentioned it is questionable that the persecutors needed someone to identify who they were persecuting.

In other words, what you Muslims have are conjectures!?
Qur'an 4:157
and their saying: 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary', the Messenger of Allah1 - whereas2 in fact they had neither slain him nor crucified him but the matter was made dubious to them3 - and those who differed about it too were in a state of doubt! They have no definite knowledge of it, but merely follow conjecture; and they surely slew him not,

Is this a prove that It is actually you Muslims that follow whims, suppositions and conjectures about the death of Christ on the cross.

Christians know exactly what happened and there is no second story about it

Ohyoudidnt:
2. There's no elaborate explanation of this that I know or agree with but am satisfied that this was miraculously done.

You did not answer the Question sir. Jesus going to heaven is a miracle no doubt BUT the question was whether it was done in secret or in public.


Have you read this before?
Acts 1:9:
"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight."


Again, I ask, was Jesus going to heaven a private or public miracle?

Ohyoudidnt:
3. Why do you say Allah deceived anyone and not see that Allah saved his dear prophet from the humiliating and wicked plans of the enemies? Was Mary deceived or she remained true to her nature of accepting the will of Allah? Remember she was told at the point of a miraculous conception that her offspring will be a sign? Did she take this too to be a sign? Was she aware of the miraculous lives of Enoch and Elijah?

How do you know that all the disciples were unaware? Do you have the account of each and everyone of them from trustworthy and verifiable resources?

Apparently, not a single Christian was aware that someone else was crucified as the Christians including Mary knew that Jesus was crucified.

Acts 1:12-14:
"Then returned they to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where stayed both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers."

Are you aware that Jesus on the cross spoke to Mary his mother and John his disciple?

It looks like the deception was so deep that no single Christian know that it wasn't Jesus that was killed.

Would it be right to conclude that Allah created Christianity?

Ohyoudidnt:
4. I have spoken of the Qurayzah above

Okay!

Ohyoudidnt:
5. The Quran says Uzair even if the generality of Jews disagree. However in following what your leaders say is akin to making them your God.
Some accounts too refer to an extinct tribe of Arabian Jews.

Is this not also a conjecture to give a dog a bad name so that you can drown it!?
1. Who is Uzair?
2. Can you bring up one single document of history confirming this assertion?
(At least for the Christians, the name Jesus is in all our documents and literatures)
3.About following leaders: is Mohammed not almost God in Islam?
a. Can one become a Muslim without associating Mohammed's name with that of Allah?
b. Do you Muslims not associate even the knowledge of Allah with that of Mohammed?
c. Is the name "Mohammed" not a title of God as only God is the Praised One?

Finally, if they were extinct tribes of Israel, then why refer to the JEWS and not the specific tribe of say Judah or Benjamin or Levi? etc
Could this be another conjecture?

Ohyoudidnt:
I acknowledge my mistakes with the Battle of Issus. Did a representative governor of Heraclius not get a messanger of Muhammad pbuh killed?

You may argue that it is not the same however who takes the blame of people killed by people under a leader?

Among the jewish tribes did they all support the prophet and Islam? Weren't there those who were against him.

After the Battle of Badr did Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir not take a hostile attitude against the Muslims?

Reasonable people do not go to war just because a mishap happened to one of their citizens on a foreign land. Would it have made sense if USA decided to wage war on Nigerian because this Nigerian - Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (the Underwear Bomber) decided in the name of your prophet to commit a terrorist action on a plane in America.

Zaid ibn Harithah went to a FOREIGN land, outside Mecca, Medina or Arabia to spread Islam and was killed. Till today, no one knows exactly what happen other than he was killed. Could it be armed robbery, kidnapper, insolence,.... no one knows!

Don't forget that your claim is that Qur'an 9:28-29 is defensive and it is about polytheists coming to Mecca or Medina.
However, even in this case, it is you Muslims who is going out to other people's land to harass them contrary to Qur'an 9:28-29 you claim.

All you have done is to proove unequivocally that it is Muslims who GO OUT to wage war on Christians and not the other way round.

Ohyoudidnt:
Byzantine attacks on Muhammad and Islam with the support of their christian leaders.

Byzantine Christian leaders actively promoted and funded anti-Islamic propaganda, which depicted Muhammad as a false prophet and Islam as a dangerous and deceitful religion. This propaganda campaign sought to delegitimize Islam in the eyes of both Byzantine subjects and the wider Christian world.

Is this not what you too are actively engaged in?

Muslims with manufacturing history.

I asked you to provide the name of ANY Christian king or City that fought with Mohammed (who wrote Quran 9:28-29) and you are listing the Byzantines!?


The military engagements between the Muslim forces and the Byzantine Empire occurred during the caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab (Mohammed was long dead at this time) . The Battle of Yarmouk in 636 CE, for example, was a significant conflict where the Muslim armies decisively defeated the Byzantine forces in the Levant.

What is the name of the battle where Mohammed fought the Byzantines?

Ohyoudidnt:
You claim there weren't any interactions between the Byzantines with Muslims during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh?

What led to the Tabuk expedition?
What about the Battle of Mutah?

The unprovoked murder Harith bin Umayr in the year 629 on orders of Shorhai who ruled christian arab tribe of ghassan as a vassal of the Byzantine emperor Heraclius?

1. But it was your prophet that tried to wage war on the Byzantines and not the other way round in the Tabuk expedition. But here, the Byzantines did NOT fight your prophet: Did they?

2. About the Battle of Mutah, it was still the Muslims who went to wage war on the Byzantines not the other way round. The background of the Battle of Mu'tah lies in the events following the assassination of a Muslim envoy, Zaid ibn Harithah, who was killed while delivering a message to the Byzantine-controlled city of Mu'tah. In response to this incident, Prophet Muhammad sent a military expedition to confront the Byzantine forces.

Did the Byzantines come anywhere near the Kaaba or Mecca or Medina to justify Qur'an 9:28-29?

Bintdawood:
"You can choose to be a donkey, but you can't force anyone to be one"
Assalam alaikum!? Oh alhamdullilah Islam CONQUERS! And this shows how Islam and Muslims have occupied every part of your brain, you think about us day in day out😁


DEY PLAY

Thank you ma.
Force you!? I cannot!! It is not given to any man to force you either to heaven or hell.

I can only plead with you to stop and think!
I can only solicit that you examine the document in your hand: is it 419!?

But of course,
A Muslim is one who lives by the mantra of
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!


Qur'an 46:9
Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."


This is why I plead with you: don't go to Hell


Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...

Going by the Arabic!

Every Muslim according to Allah will FIRST enter the Fire of Hell before Allah will now accept their ransome



See what the Tafsirs say:
ALL Muslims will enter the Fire of Hell until they are finally ransomed.

See the Tafsirs on Qur'an 19:71

Quran 19 :71 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place.


Qur'an 19.71 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it.


Qur'an 19.71-72 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
Everyone will be brought to Hell, then the Righteous will be saved
Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,

All Muslims are entering Hell Fire!

Quran 19:72 -
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."


You will first Enter the Fire: this is inevitable for you ma. How long will you stay in the fire?
Could it be a deception that you will thereafter be saved!?

This is a deception ma!

Bintdawood:
Guy I'm a Muslim,I don't make male friends. Stop quoting me for goodness sake!
I don't need your Messiah,I don't need your guidance keep it to yourself.
As you've said; hellfire is appointed to us if we refuse to adopt the truth..... That your truth, I don't want it. I have choosen hell....... Is it your business!?

Thank you ma.
You don't need to be friendly with me as I am not expecting it.

The definition of friendship from my part is one who wishes another well. From my heart, I wish you well in this 2024 and beyond.

However,
I care about your welfare and eternal peace AND I want you to be free from the bondage of satan masquerading as light which intend to decieve you into everlasting regrets.

This is my mission. I will continue to show you what Islam truely is and the reason for the Messiah!

Assalam aleikum