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TenQ:
Hafs Qur'an 2:125
"And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and (a place of) security. And you shall take, from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer."

Warsh Qur'an 2:125
"And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and (a place of) security. And they have taken, from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer."


Qur'an 2:125
In Hafs is وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take)
In Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made).

In Quran 2:125 the subject being addressed is that of “Maqam Ibrahim” and the people or believers. The consensus of your scholars is that you (according to Hafs) and they (according to Warsh) is the people or believers even though it could also be referring to Mohammed (as the Qur'an is not explicit).
Therefore, I go with the consensus of your scholars


Therefore, Please answer these two Questions :
1. Is it TRUE that Hafs version gives a command/order, to the people
while
Warsh version states a historical fact/observation. about the people


2. Is it TRUE that in Hafs وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take) is a FUTURE tense
While
In Warsh is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made) is a PAST tense.



I beg you to Please speak only the truth in answering these questions !

Antiislaam:
Don't mind those gullible people of allah and Muhammad, you won't see them here

Ohyoudidnt:
Modern Muslims like Arabic is not a language. How defective an argument

Ohyoudidnt:
Is Jihad not FIGHTING in the course of Allah!?

Is defined by who and where by which linguist?

Ohyoudidnt:
Has Hatun or any of your co aquintances responded to your email or picked your call?

Though I doubt you have any of their direct contacts. Wannabe concerned christian antagonist that's all pretence

Ohyoudidnt:
The violence prescribed in the Quran is mostly defensive, the Bible is packed with genocidal commands from God.

Ohyoudidnt:
You cannot lie but only bend the truth innit?

Where did I say:
Even though you want me to believe that Jihad is spreading love while striving for Allah your books from your scholars doesn't help you.

Your 'little lies' here and there absolve you of lying? Oh Lieing Tenq? Doubt if you ain't lieing with your online name too.

jom28gy:
Which people wrote Quran?

Ohyoudidnt:
True to your idiocy. You run to hadith that suits your warped thinking. You only bring up verses that state fight in the Quran. Show you are not a bot and have sense, in what situations are you to fight? Your composition of man called Bible severally tells you to kill including children, men and non virgin women and here you are speaking about warped love.

I never implied or stated what you highlighted in yellow. Your propensity to lies shows a conversation cannot be had with you.

Show Jihad or something with a bearing to the word Jihad in the Quran you can't but run to hadith understood hadith. Leave me out of your mentions and focus on your belief which has nothing to do with me.

Stinking irritant! Leave me out of your mentions until you understand what you call Jihad.

Ohyoudidnt:
Indeed you are a bufoon. You state something with the word Jihad without understanding it yet go on to provide two verses that don't contain it as a means to support your unfounded claim.

Define Jihad and show how it goes with your claim you're wasting your time stating nonsense.




Are you dumb or mad to make this statement without understanding it?

I ain't got time for your nonsense

gaskiyamagana:
[/quote][quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=127578308]What you have in Hafs and Warsh were recited to Muhammad pbuh.

You misunderstand what is meant by what you refer to as the Quran in paradise.

In any case don't divert from your subject. Liase with the UK police and your brethren in DICC to know where Hatun Tash is.
Brother in Islam, don't waste your time with this "boy" as far as knowledge and teachings of Islam are concerned. I known him very well as ANTI ISLAM ROBOTICAL PROGRAM person. In other words, only if he is re program that your explanation can be meaningful to him.
Mas-salam.

gaskiyamagana:
Who is or are 'You' in your first statement above? Your 'you' in that statement is part of your poor knowledge of Islam, and when one is of that quality, how will his criticism of Islam be fair?

Ohyoudidnt:
Uthman destroyed all had copies within his rich but definitely not all written script. He also didn't delete peoples memory.

Stick to your subject towards the person you seek. Trust you have called or emailed her?

Ohyoudidnt:
You only state falsehood. Show jihad in the Quran verses 2¤ 246 and 9¤14.


You cannot define and use it in your argument without understanding it? Does that make sense?

Ohyoudidnt:
Clarify and show الجهاد (Al Jihad) in the verses you have listed.
Then why do you say things you don't know the meaning of with so much certainty? Is this speaking in tongues? Lol



Where is the Jihad in what you wrote and what do you know it to mean as you have failed to define it?

Ohyoudidnt:
What you have in Hafs and Warsh were recited to Muhammad pbuh.

You misunderstand what is meant by what you refer to as the Quran in paradise.

In any case don't divert from your subject. Liase with the UK police and your brethren in DICC to know where Hatun Tash is.

Better still send her a mail or call her. Amuse me by confirming you have never directly had correspondence with her.

Ohyoudidnt:
Does addresing 2 or more people in an audience with the phrase and take speak to just one person?

Show your intelligence and explain.

Especially in the context of the entire verse not cherry picking a word or two in the sentence. How has it altered the message of the sentence.

Don't worry you can publish a thesis and post ^{in full highlighting proof of the argument}. Not everyone can identify with your YouTube videos.

Your problem is that you arrogantly want to determine how, when and where but Allah has surpassed the narrow thought you present. A lot like an old advert I remember of probably Sterling bank that has 1 customer.

* Also it annoys you that the prophet sent to all not just his people is not an Israelite. Sorry you folk of an acclaimed superior Israelite tribe.

The 1 customer in the market, school, office etc. in which there a personalised interaction with individuals in the general group it provides service for.

Indeed every one will give account for his or herself not another.

Ohyoudidnt:
Kindly define Jihad and explain what it's about.

Ohyoudidnt:
Unfortunately we are not swelled by this. Why rejoice at another's mishap?

Are you certain she didn't pull an Agatha Cristie?

MightySparrow:
Hello my friend, TenQ.

God punish the devil for the Nairaland that was down for these days. It really affected the good works you are doing in exposing the lies of Islam ( Lielam)

They will Always need boldface to cover lies of Lielam.

AbuTwins:
The uthmani text without the diacritical marks accommodates some of the styles.

Where are the lies?
Open up that you're ignorant!

AbuTwins:
And what about the Bible chapters and verses removed and added in the Bible translations?

What about all the copyist errors in your Bible?

Why are you silent about that?

AbuTwins:
I don't know nothing about it. So na you know something about it?

Na holy spirit teach you?



I know! The translations of the Qur'an is based on the choice of word of the translator in relation with the setting. The Bible KJV has many chapters /verses not in other translations.

In some translations, some verses are removed while they are present in some others!



The are seven styles of reciting the Qur'an!
The Qur’an was revealed in one style at the beginning, but the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kept asking Jibreel until he taught him seven styles, all of which were complete. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)

So your Bible translations have chapters and verses removed and added at will even the copyists did a whack job in recopying the Bible while the Qur'an has the seven styles revealed!

Ohyoudidnt:
Why do you ask here? Is Nairaland the proper forum to inquire about people who get missing in UK? Have you found all the missing people in Nigeria?

Do you find missing people of London on nairaland or make reports here?

Direct this question of yours to Dr David Wood, the DCCI ministeries or the London Metropolitan Police, your contacts in the UK or people that can provide reasonable information.

You sure can direct your intellect and wisdom proficiently or are you overwhelmed by the return of nairaland?

Ohyoudidnt:
Always repeating the same skewed arguments. Take Quran 2:125
Based on your identified variations do tell what difference in the meaning exists in these two sentences:

And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and [a place of] security. And take [O believers], from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, [saying], "Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying [there] for worship and those who bow and prostrate [in prayer]


And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and [a place of] security. And they [O believers] have taken, from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, [saying], "Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying [there] for worship and those who bow and prostrate [in prayer]

Kindly display your intellect and astounding intelligence in pointing out definite difference in their meaning.

When you're done tell please why the same message can be passed with sentences having slightly different number of words. Does one provide better clarity in some cases?

AbuTwins:
No mind the Galatians 3:1 guy. How many different translations and different Bible them get?

They are looking for who to join them!

Qasim6:
So be kind enough to point out the difference between the hafs and warsh since you have them on your phone.

Seriously, you are sending Jay smith Videos?

Is jay Smith a scholar of Quran?

Qasim6:
Why should I watch all the videos
I watch the first one and it is load of craps as expected.

I don't know Qurans having different back cover translate to having different Qur'an.

Be kind enough to share with us one or two differences in the two you have on your phone.

Qasim6:
You see how smart you are
There are non-muslim scholar of Quran.

Qasim6:
So be kind enough to point out the difference between the hafs and warsh since you have them on your phone.

Seriously, you are sending Jay smith Videos?

Is jay Smith a scholar of Quran?

Tetraozonaitera:
Quran was formed out of the Old testament and the New.

The writer of Quran added his own words bending the stories to suit himself.
He took his time to use the excerpts of these Jewish books to create another book.
He must have spent years to create his own version.

The Quran didn't come from the living God. It was written by a man.

Qasim6:
You will need to name the 30s so we can refute or accept them accordingly.

Antoeni:
Understanding the Pope’s position on the blessing of Same-Sex relationships before rushing to misrepresent the truth:

*“Fiducia supplicans"* in simpler terms:

*1. Blessings, not marriage:* The Church understands blessings as ways to ask for God's grace and favour in various situations. This document clarifies that it's possible to bless same-sex couples without recognizing their union as marriage.

*2. No change in marriage teaching:* The Church's teaching on marriage as between a man and a woman remains unchanged. This blessing gesture doesn't endorse their relationship but shows God's love for all.

*3. Blessings come in different forms:* There are formal blessings, like at weddings, and informal ones, like at shrines. This document focuses on informal blessings, where anyone, including those in irregular relationships, can ask for God's blessing.

*4. Blessings show humility and need for God:* Asking for a blessing expresses trust in God and a desire for his goodness. Even if someone's situation isn't perfect, they can still seek God's grace.

*5. Blessings have limits:* While the Church can offer blessings to everyone, it can't bless anything contrary to God's will. So, this blessing doesn't legitimize same-sex unions but asks for God's guidance and love.

*6. Discernment and respect:* The document encourages pastors to use their judgment when deciding about such blessings. The setting and words should be clear to avoid confusion with marriage ceremonies.

*7. Hope and openness:* Ultimately, this document reflects the Church's desire to welcome everyone with God's love and mercy, even those in challenging situations. It's a step towards greater understanding and pastoral care.

*Remember:* This is a simplified explanation of a complex document. For a deeper understanding, consult the original text (the English version begins on pages 20 through 28) --