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Ohyoudidnt:
Byzantine attacks on Muhammad and Islam with the support of their christian leaders.

Byzantine Christian leaders actively promoted and funded anti-Islamic propaganda, which depicted Muhammad as a false prophet and Islam as a dangerous and deceitful religion. This propaganda campaign sought to delegitimize Islam in the eyes of both Byzantine subjects and the wider Christian world.

Is this not what you too are actively engaged in?

Muslims with manufacturing history.

I asked you to provide the name of ANY Christian king or City that fought with Mohammed (who wrote Quran 9:28-29) and you are listing the Byzantines!?


The military engagements between the Muslim forces and the Byzantine Empire occurred during the caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab (Mohammed was long dead at this time) . The Battle of Yarmouk in 636 CE, for example, was a significant conflict where the Muslim armies decisively defeated the Byzantine forces in the Levant.

What is the name of the battle where Mohammed fought the Byzantines?

Ohyoudidnt:
1. You say before Muhammad was born or in the year he was born? The failure of Abraha did not change the beliefs of the people.

But Christians NEVER attacked Mohammed, how did he now receive Qur'an 9:38-39 on our behalf?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Quran 9:29 applies to Christian polytheist who disregard Quran 9:4 As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.

I asked you to give me the name of the Christian king or Christian city that attacked Mohammed. At least before a war becomes defencive, there must first occur an attack.

So, who is the Christian king or city that attacked Mohammed and in what year or for what purpose?

Ohyoudidnt:
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According to historical accounts, it was not Prophet Muhammad himself who migrated to Abyssinia, but rather a small group of early Muslims, consisting of men and women, led by Ja'far ibn Abi Talib. This group sought refuge in Abyssinia, hoping to find peace and tolerance for their newfound faith. The decision to migrate to Abyssinia was made after careful consideration and consultation with the Prophet.

The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities.

No problem. At least Muslims in times of weakness sought refuge with us Christians.
Who is the one betraying the other now?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Heraclius did indeed engage in military campaigns against the Muslims, particularly during the early years of Islam. For example, in the year 622, Heraclius sent a large army to confront the Muslims at the Battle of Issus, but the Byzantines were defeated by the Muslim forces led by Khalid ibn al-Walid.

Did Heraclis EVER once fight Mohammed?

The only interaction of Heraclis and Mohammed was when Mohammed invited him to Islam and he didn't!


See how you mix up history!
The Battle of Issus occurred in 333 BCE was a significant engagement between the armies of Alexander the Great of Macedon and Darius III of Persia during the Wars of Alexander the Great.

Ohyoudidnt:
3. Salman the persian suggested they dug tenches when attached by Byzantine Christian army during the Battle of the trench

Is this a fabrication or a black lie?

The Jews of Banu Qurayza helped the Muslims to dig trenches during the battle of the trenches. It had NOTHING to do with ANY Christian army. Learn your history properly sir.

You did not answer these questions below :

Please answer my question (this is the third time I'm posting it)

1. By the way, according to your own understanding, who was crucified instead of Jesus?

2. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or in public?

3. It is understandable if Allah decieved the Romans and the Jews: why did Allah deceive the Mary the Mother of Jesus and All His disciples?

4. Since Muslims fight only defencive wars, Please what specifically was the Offence of the Jews of Banu Qurayza after they supported Mohammed in digging the Trench for his army at the battle of the trench that warranted him to massacre 700 men and boys and taking their wives, properties and girls for themselves? [/i]

5. The story of Exodus occurred during the time of Moses (about 1700 years before Mohammed). Several prophets had come to the Jews after that including Jesus. Thus I ask you:
What is the name of the god or gods the Jews associate with God during the time of Mohammed?
Or are you giving the dog a bad name simply as an excuse to drown it?

Ibrahimlagosian:
I'm aware of that.never qoute me again in your life.you get me?

Why now?

Are you angry that I expose that which is deeply hidden in Islam?

Hell fire is appointed for you if refuse to know and adopt the Truth.

Your prophets says ALL Muslims will go to Hell before some of you will be removed.

Why do you even think that a Christian or a Jew would be used to ransom you from Hell?

Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".

Does your prophet even know if he would be saved from the fire according to Allah in the Qur'an.


Qur'an 46:9
Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

The uncertainty you follow is alarming sir!

LegalWolf:
Just FYI, I don't think we are friends and I think I have said this countlessly. However, this does not detract me from wishing you well. I genuinely wish you well for this year. But please don't call me your friend at all.

The mere thought of it is repulsive. There is nothing more loathsome to me than pretentious liars disguising as pious men. I hate them passionately.

Do I think this will stop you from calling me your friend. Absolutely NOT. But I just need to put it on the record once more.

Shalom!

I can understand your deep hate for me and I hold it not against you at all. If I was in your position, most likely I would be exactly like you. Remember that I almost became a Muslim at a point in my life before I found Grace to see that which Islam hides.

I care about you BUT I want you to be free from the bondage of satan masquerading as light which intend to decieve you into everlasting regrets.

This is my mission. I will continue to show you what Islam truely is and the reason for the Messiah!

Assalam aleikum

Ibrahimlagosian:
May Allah guide you.

You forgot that no one can guide whom Allah misleaded.

Perhaps according to the destiny of Allah some of us Christians on Nairaland are showing Muslims the Deceptions in Islam.

Don't you believe in the Destiny of Allah again!?

Antiislaam:
Happy New year brother, we'll ensure they get sense this year by fire by force

Amen o!
Muslims love to debate those who don't know much about Islam : unfortunately for them, the Internet has been the sword on their necks now. Most of them have surrendered and would rather feign ignorance of the truth we say to them.

But we shall not be quiet because evil prevail only when good Godly men keep quiet

Shalom

Ohyoudidnt:
The reply above answers the 3 questions you claim weren't answered. You jump to other questions claiming the previous wasn't answered?

At the time of fighting those against Muhammad and Islam do you feign ignorance of the violence and killing of Muslims at the time or you stick to one side and overlook others.

What do you know about the Battle of Hunayn and the first verse revealed of Surah 9?

The context in which Quran 9:29 was revealed is crucial to understanding its true significance. The verse was revealed during a time of great persecution and hostility towards the early Muslim community. The Muslims were facing relentless attacks and aggression from their enemies, and were forced to fight to defend themselves and their beliefs. Quran 9:29 was a response to this persecution, providing guidance on how to protect themselves and their faith while promoting justice and peace.

Firstly, What is the connection between the Christians (who you consider as Idolaters) with Qur'an 9:28-29 and Battle of Hunayn

You have denied that you Muslims are not to fight to kill Christians except in a defencive war. I have made you show that as Christians we are polytheistic to you and thus both Quran 9:28 and Qur'an 9:29 applies to us. We are to be fought to death.


Secondly,
The story of Exodus occurred during the time of Moses (about 1700 years before Mohammed). Several prophets had come to the Jews after that including Jesus. Thus I ask you:
What is the name of the god or gods the Jews associate with God during the time of Mohammed?
Or are you giving the dog a bad name simply as an excuse to drown it?


Thirdly, Please answer my question (this is the second time I'm posting it)

1. By the way, according to your own understanding, who was crucified instead of Jesus?

2. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or in public?

3. It is understandable if Allah decieved the Romans and the Jews: why did Allah deceive the Mary the Mother of Jesus and All His disciples?

Ohyoudidnt:
What is the relationship between Janus and January?

I will tell you the relationship between Janus and January when you tell me which month of the year were you born?
What is today (Monday or Tuesday) ?

Ohyoudidnt:
1. Did the jews and or their followers not exist in Arabia. Is it untrue that Abraha of Abyssinia who wanted to destroy the Kaaba was a Christian? What is the place of rabbis in the religion of Judaism? Did Jesus in the Bible not tell the people not to follow their teaching due to them editing the laws as suit them?

The regard of Christians of Christians as polytheist is for them worshipping others alongside Allah (God). Polytheism in asserting a trinity to the nature of God.

1. Thank you for raising up the topic of Abraha of Abyssinia showing that Islam is just a continuation of the pre-islamic Idolatory and worship. Are you aware that this took place before Mohammed was born?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha



2. Since Christians are polytheistic, then it is true that Qur'an 9:28-29 applies to us and thus why do you deny that Allah Commanded you to fight to kill us?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Is it untrue that there existed strong trade relations between them before the advent of Muhammad pbuh? Was there an agreement between them which was reneged on as the previously existing system felt threatened by Muhammad's (pbuh) spread of Islam? What does Quran 9:4 say or does this have no bearing on verses 28 and 29?

How was a treaty before Mohammed was born got connected to Mohammed?
Please Read the link above.

Ohyoudidnt:
3. The view of the Jews of Arabia at the time having a pagan/idolatry influence is there. Does Exodus 15:11 not make reference to existence of other gods?

Can you tell me the god/gods of the Jews in Arabia



Speaking about treachery :
I will love you to explicitly answer these questions below
1. Is it true that when Mohammed was weak and was being persecuted in Mecca, he was protected by the Christian king of Abyssinia?

2.Can you give a single instance when any Christian king or Christian community attacked or planned to attack either Mecca or Medina during the life time of Mohammed your prophet?

3. Since Muslims fight only defencive wars, Please what specifically was the Offence of the Jews of Banu Qurayza after they supported Mohammed in digging the Trench for his army at the battle of the trench that warranted him to massacre 700 men and boys and taking their wives, properties and girls for themselves?

Note that you didn't answer a single question I posed to you.

Nevertheless, as Christians we don't avoid answering questions

Ohyoudidnt:
You rather not say anything about Jesus not forewarning those whos tables were upturned or did he warn them before taking action?

Interesting too that someone who they had seen in action would be unidentifiable to them so Judas Iscariot had to be contracted for this? Jesus was quite identical to other people?

First, I had proved it to you that the instruction of Allah and His Mohammed was to fight to kill Jews and Christians

Secondly, the fact that Jesus upturned the table is not killing : is it?

Thirdly, it is you Muslims who have manufactured conjectured about who was crucified. Was it really Judas or Jesus?

1. By the way, according to your own understanding, who was crucified instead of Jesus?

2. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or in public?

3. It is understandable if Allah decieved the Romans and the Jews: why did Allah deceive the Mary the Mother of Jesus and All His disciples?

Dtruthspeaker:
I think i told you that your fear and fixation on first cause makes you blind wforhich is why you lost as I just now remembered that I argued against TenQ or so, also a Christian here, that first cause argument is an invalid argument because of the falls it truly has.

So raise a thread if you want a rematch.

Really!?
Does the laws of Physics exist before the "big bang/inflation"?

Ohyoudidnt:
In your apparent wisdom you quote Quran 9:29 and forget the premise of 9:28?

28. O you who believe! The polytheists are polluted, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs And if you fear poverty, God will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. God is Aware and Wise.

29. Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

And particularly the command to fight is against those who want to attack the Muslims in their own lands, and to spread the influence of disbelief and its followers in the Muslim lands. This is defence of Muslim territory, and it is something that has occurred in every nation and state known to history, no matter what their religion, otherwise there would be no state and no authority at all.

Also fighting those who bar people from the religion of Allah and prevent the Muslims from calling people to the religion of their Lord and spreading His light so that it may be seen by anyone who seeks guidance, or they prevent non-Muslims from learning about this religion or entering it if they want to. This is in pursuit of the enemy.

Note the condition in 9:28 of after that present year has passed. This is very courteous unlike the bible reported upturning of tables by your version of Jesus in your Bible or did he give them any warning before?

Not arguing this as I see my brother has pointed out quite clear distinctions in your concept of the almighty God.

Thank you Gaskiya for your advise and pardon my late response.

First, I wish you the best of this new year, may happiness and goodness follow you in your family and Career in this 2024.

1. Do you not regard Christians as polytheists? If you do, then quoting verse 28 of Quran 9 changes nothing.

2. Qur'an 9:28 is complete instruction just as Qur'an 9:29 is a complete instruction whether you read it in Arabic or English.

verse 28 : says don't allow polytheists to come near your sacred mosque.
You have the subject Polytheists, you have the action: don't allow them come near the sacred mosque.

verse 29 : says fight the people around you who do not believe in God nor the last day nor what your prophet has forbidden nor adopt Islam as a religion from amongst the people of the book.
You have the subject People around you who are not Muslims (from amongst Jews and Christians), and you have the action, fight them

If verse 29 is not repeating verse 28, then it refers for emphasis to Idolaters (verse 28) and Jews and Christians (verse 29)


This is consistent with your Prophet's hadith

Sahih Muslim 22
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said:
I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.


This is offensive war and not defensive as you will like us to believe.


3. Can you sincerely answer this question for me: Are Jews also Polytheists?

gaskiyamagana:
Conservative Muslims don't celebrate it because it has connection with Roman idolatry. Yet and reluctantly, I wish you the same.
Am busy to reply one or two of your post, but I will do by God's Grace.

I understand.
Your prophet said you shouldn't evin initiate Salam unto us Christians or Jews but this is NEW YEAR not Christmas.

Notwithstanding my friend, I wish you well in your family, business, career and future as we enter 2024.

Peace

Some people seem to detest the words of TenQ even though it's all for their ultimate prosperity

MightySparrow:
Happy New Year my brother and my friends in Islam.

May the Lord make His face shine upon you this new year in Jesus name and may be continually be in His grace and favour in this 2024 in Jesus name.

Happy New Year

I want to appreciate the interactions we had in 2023: some bitter, some sweet and some bland. But just as in the Cake baking ingredients, all still turn out for Good.

In spite of our Differences in Faith and Ideologies, what is constant is that I love you guys and want you to have your eternal life with the Father, Creator and God of All life and that you may discern what is TRUE and what is not True.

Happy New Year to you once again!

All my Friends on Nairaland:
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Greenholics:
Yes! True! Very very true …. As a matter of fact it is permitted to lie as a Muslim especially when it involves Islam ….. what kind of religion is that?

And satan is the father of lies.

Let's pray that by grace the eyes of Muslims will be opened

Greenholics:
Lol ……. And yet! Muslims are still blind to this….. yet they say he is the best human ever known to man kind

Islam is a religion sponsored by demons that is why lies is not far from them. They tell themselves lies while they tell others other kind of lies

mhmsadyq:
I am not looking for any messiah again.
You can take your question to those who still take you seriously for your usual gbas gbos.

I go dey read am pass!

But Jesus is the Messiah to the Muslims whether they recognise it or not.

Abi is Mohammed the Messiah?

Holding on to deception would never turn it into the truth.

The Messiah came so that you will have your eternal life with God after this stay on earth. Reject him to your peril

mhmsadyq:
E Don kuku tey wey you dey explain!

And it is good that you have heard. Think about the document in your hands: is it genue?

Why is it that the Messiah have no father?

mhmsadyq:
E Don kuku tey wey you dey explain!

And it is good that you have heard. Think about the document in your hands: is it genue?

ReExplore2xmore:
Thank you

You're welcome my friend.
I pray that the new year will find you well

mhmsadyq:
I guess you are the one complaining.

It should Dawn on you that Mohammed created Allah and Islam for his own benefit.

Greenholics:
16 PRIVILEGES ONLY GIVEN TO MOHAMMAD, THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM

You be the judge is this man I of God!

One of Islam’s premiere Muslim commentators, al-Qurtubi, enumerates the privileges Allah gave M0hammad. The following is taken from the Commentary of al-Qurtubi on Surah 33:50.

As for what was granted and made lawful (by Allah) to the prophet –pbuh– they are 16 issues:-

1. To be fair with the spoils (booty from raids).

2. To (forcefully) take a fifth of all the spoils (booty from raids).

3. "Al Wisal" (which means continuing the fast through the night to the next night, without eating.)

4. To take more than four women.

5. To have intercourse “Yastankih" with a woman who verbally pronounces her dedication (to the prophet).

6. To marry, without the presence (or permission) of a legal guardian.

7. To marry, without a dowry.

8. To marry (and have intercourse) during a state of ritual consecration and purification.

9. The annulment of an oath he may make to his wives.

10. If Muhammad looks at a woman (and desires her) THEN IT IS NECESSARY FOR HER HUSBAND TO DIVORCE HER AND FOR MUHAMMAD TO MARRY HER.
Ibn Al A’raby said, "This is what the servant of the two holy mosques has also said, as was clear to the scholars FROM THE STORY OF ZAID which also had this meaning."

11. That the prophet released Safiyyah (from her captured status) and he considered her release as her dowry.

12. To enter Mecca without being in a state of ritual purification.

13. To fight in Mecca.

14. That he is not inherited by anyone at all. This was mentioned in the oath of absolution for when a man approaches death due to illness, most of his possessions are taken away, so that he does not have more than a third left for him. But the possessions of the prophet remained for him, as is evidenced in the verse of inheritance and in Surat Mariam.

15. His marriage is still considered effective after his death.

16. If he divorces a woman she remains prohibited to everyone and may not be married, "Nikah,"(intercourse) to someone else.


Bonus

Surah 33. Al-Ahzab, 50. “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncles on the mother's side emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage, A PRIVILEGE FOR THEE ONLY, not for the (rest of) believers. We are aware of that which we enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

And any believing woman who dedicates herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed (Nikah) her; this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large).

The privileges are all about sex and money!

Mohammed is a prophet indeed! LOL!!

ReExplore2xmore:
Interesting that you ask questions and have fixed answers or mode of answers. Does this not answer your questions?

Or is it because I specifically ask for where you actually first asked on hadith 3207 that you seem not to see my answer.


In any case you have concisely agreed that we don't worship the same thing so as you are very well aware Surah 109 has addressed whatever differences.

And
1 Thessalonians 4:10-12 Indeed, you already show your love for all the believers throughout Macedonia. Even so, dear brothers and sisters, we urge you to love them even more. Make it your goal to live a quiet life, minding your own business and working with your hands, just as we instructed you before. Then people who are not Christians will respect the way you live, and you will not need to depend on others.

Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a person to cease from strife, but every fool quarrels.

Best wishes! Trust you enjoy the holisays, seasons and days to come in peace.

No sir

It is because you rarely answer direct questions. You would rather say every other thing instead of responding to the issues at stake.

Christian love involves doing everything that a decieved person doesn't finally enter hell fire. Thus, we speak the truth in love whether the person desires it or not.


As we speak, I'm sure you see the limitations of your deen even though you are still obstinate with Allah and his prophet.

When you know the truth and Adopt it, the same truth with set you free!

I wish you the best of the coming year.

ReExplore2xmore:
A definite pointer that what Christians conceptualize as God is markedly different from Allah is the story that Jacob wrestled physically with him.

How lowly must this omnipotence of the Christian God be that his creation; mankind, can wrestle physically with him for a full night?

It should worry you that your prophet gave you Taqqiya to think that his Allah is the same as the God of the Jews and Christians.

Our God can come down as a man, your Allah cannot do so without losing his majesty because he is limited to being one person.

ReExplore2xmore:
This story is described in Genesis 32:22-32 unless you state that it is falsehood or a misconception of the older generation.

In verse 25 when the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.

And 31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,and he was limping because of his hip.
(Invariably Jacob limped for the rest of his life)
32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.

There is no dispute about that because our God can be in heaven and on earth and everywhere at the same time.
Allah cannot even enter the toilet: can he?

ReExplore2xmore:
Jesus is reported to have said, "God is a spirit" in the book of John (4:24). This statement has led to some debate and discussion among theologians and believers about the nature of God and whether it limits God to being a spirit. In this essay, I will explore this question and consider how the belief in God as a spirit influences our understanding of God's nature.

The statement "God is a spirit" is found in the context of a conversation between Jesus and a Samaritan woman at a well. The woman was asking Jesus about the proper place to worship, and Jesus responded by telling her that God is seeking worshipers who will worship in spirit and truth. He then stated, "God is a spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

The Bible uses various terms and metaphors to describe God, and it is through these diverse expressions that we can gain a fuller understanding of God's nature. For example, God is also described as a consuming fire (Deuteronomy 4:24), a rock (Deuteronomy 32:4), and a shepherd (Psalm 23:1).

Tell me is a Spirit the same as Fire and a shepherd?

Is limiting God to being a spirit not an oversimplification of God's nature. God's essence and being go beyond being just a spirit and cannot be confined to any one type or form.

There is NOT one single Christian or Jew that dispute that God is a Spirit sir. God being a spirit is NOT confined to any LOCATION is the context of the discussion with the woman on the proper location of worship.

Tell me the metaphor spirit represent other than what it says "God is a Spirit"!


Allah is actually limited.


In Islam, Is Allah not on his throne above the heavens?
Does Allah not come down at certain times of the day to the earth for you Muslims?


In Islam, Allah is localised except your narratives are lies as usual

I am sure you definitely know that you are saying things I never asked you just to keep up an appearance of a response.

ReExplore2xmore:
There are different types of beings which Allah has given life to in his majesty.

Angels though incapable of sin will all die and be judged as all other things created by Allah.

Does the undying nature of Allah at any point not show you a difference and the different types of spirit he created?

If angels are incapable of sin, why would they be judged? Does this make sense to you?

What are the different kinds of spirits created by Allah?

Why didn't your prophet say "the spirit are just creations of Allah!"?
But truely, he doesn't know the basics that every Jew know about the Spirit.

ReExplore2xmore:
Angels are referred to as spirit yes. Moreso that they are not usually seen though they are around

Can you give me a reference because in Islam, only Jibril as a person is a spirit.

ReExplore2xmore:
Muhammad pbuh is properly saying that Allah is in the sole position to know where the eternity of everything he creates will be.

How Muhammad is able to meet other prophets on his journal and pray with them is a miracle of Allah unless you now choose to determine for Allah how and what miracles he performs.

Allah; there is nothing comparable unto him in his uniqueness and grandeur.

Where is the spirit of holiness and truth reserved for God and he bestows elements of this on his creation.

You say the conversation of Jesus with Elijah and Moses was not for the companions who by your Bible had slept off then how then is it reported in Luke that
30 Then two men, Moses and Elijah,[c] were talking with Jesus.
31 They appeared in heavenly glory, talking about his departure which he would soon bring about in Jerusalem.

Are you speaking with reduced certainty?

Muslims with gross lack of understanding! SMH!
Luk 9:32:
"But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him."

Mr ReExplore2xmore

I am sure you know that you are deliberately dodging my questions so that you can randomly say anything you want without accountability by avoiding quoting me.

I will respond to your mentions as Christians are never afraid of speaking the truth about our religion

AGAIN
ReExplore2xmore

Nice that you concur that Jubril is a spirit.

1. If Jibril is an Angel and Jibril is a spirit : do you concur that all angels are spirits?
2. If Jibril is a Spirit, do you concur that spirits are Living beings?

The title Spirit of Holiness or the Spirit of Truth is reserved ONLY for God the Holy Spirit

AGAIN

ReExplore2xmore

I asked:
Your prophet says that babies born of Muslim parents can go to hell!
If they are pure, how can they go to hell?

Of course your prophet explained it as the DESTINY of Allah.
Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.



Your proof and of course you should know by now that we don't worship the same God.

Jesus said to us:
John 4:24:
" God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


Unfortunately, you don't even know what a spirit is: do you?

ReExplore2xmore:
So all this talk is to understand how
1. A physical/spiritual journey was made to paradise on a very fast creature

No sir. I have asked you the question which you ignored. I even split it so that you can individually look at the truth.

ReExplore2xmore:
2. Conversations was made with prophets of former times yet your Bible has a report of Jesus meeting Moses and Elijah though the witnesses had no conversation with them.

So? Because the conversation wasn't meant for them.

ReExplore2xmore:
3. Prophet Muhammad emphasised that the individual destiny of babies/children are known to Allah and not man.
If we all know our destiny why do we pray and work towards desired goals? Does the hadith not say per adventure? Is this a definitive statement?

I will post it again as it is impossible to change destiny. This is the weakness of Islam sir.

ReExplore2xmore:
4. Gospel of John says Jesus says God is a spirit. Which other Gospel has Jesus say this?
Which other prophet says God is a spirit?

Must truths be repeated in the scriptures?

Show me another verse like Qur'an 96:1: what if you cannot find one, does it invalidate Qur'an 96:1?


2Cor 3:17:
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

ReExplore2xmore:
5. Angels are referred to as spiritual beings.
You also know ruh means inspiration and the Quran is referred to as ruh amin amrina? By this then the Quran too is a spirit?

Stop playing games
Ruh al-Qudus
Ruhullah
mean what?

ReExplore2xmore:
6. When you say there is a physical realm and spiritual realm how then can't you understand the meeting of the spirits of the prophets?

Because it disproves Islam.


I will post the questions so that individually you can do justice to them.

ReExplore2xmore:
Note:
There is an error noted and corrected.

The Narrative is of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 and NOT Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440

Could you elucidate on what you mean by There is an error noted and corrected.

Error by who and where?
What does Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 say?

Muslims and feigning ignorance.


I meant that you should replace Bukhari 4712 and 7440 with Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 as it was quoted in error by me.


Then I gave you the full text with questions which you pretended not to see.

TenQ:
If you had answered a direct question, it wouldn't come to this.

I didn't ask you if tge hadiths are truly stated, I asked you if the two hadiths are True!

A lie can be truly stated and it doesn't make the statement true.


Are the two hadiths
Sahih al-Bukhari 3207
and
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308 true?

TenQ:
Here is the full text again:



1. Is this Narrative of Sahih al-Bukhari 3207 a true or false occurrence/real or fiction?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3207
Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the `Abdomen and then my `Abdomen was washed with Zamzam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al- Buraq, a white animal, smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel. When I reached the nearest heaven. Gabriel said to the heaven gate-keeper, 'Open the gate.' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' He said, 'Gabriel.' The gate-keeper,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' The gate-keeper said, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' Then I met Adam and greeted him and he said, 'You are welcomed O son and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said, 'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Jesus and Yahya (John) who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is with you? Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' 'Yes,' said Gabriel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet (ﷺ) added. There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet!' Then we ascended to the 4th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met Idris and greeted him. He said, 'You are welcomed O brother and Prophet.' Then we ascended to the 5th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in previous heavens. there I met and greeted Aaron who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and a Prophet". Then we ascended to the 6th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Moses who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and. a Prophet.' When I proceeded on, he started weeping and on being asked why he was weeping, he said, 'O Lord! Followers of this youth who was sent after me will enter Paradise in greater number than my followers.' Then we ascended to the seventh heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Abraham who said, 'You are welcomed o son and a Prophet.' Then I was shown Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur (i.e. Allah's House). I asked Gabriel about it and he said, This is Al Bait-ul-Ma'mur where 70,000 angels perform prayers daily and when they leave they never return to it (but always a fresh batch comes into it daily).' Then I was shown Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. a tree in the seventh heaven) and I saw its Nabk fruits which resembled the clay jugs of Hajr (i.e. a town in Arabia), and its leaves were like the ears of elephants, and four rivers originated at its root, two of them were apparent and two were hidden. I asked Gabriel about those rivers and he said, 'The two hidden rivers are in Paradise, and the apparent ones are the Nile and the Euphrates.' Then fifty prayers were enjoined on me. I descended till I met Moses who asked me, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Fifty prayers have been enjoined on me.' He said, 'I know the people better than you, because I had the hardest experience to bring Bani Israel to obedience. Your followers cannot put up with such obligation. So, return to your Lord and request Him (to reduce the number of prayers.' I returned and requested Allah (for reduction) and He made it forty. I returned and (met Moses) and had a similar discussion, and then returned again to Allah for reduction and He made it thirty, then twenty, then ten, and then I came to Moses who repeated the same advice. Ultimately Allah reduced it to five. When I came to Moses again, he said, 'What have you done?' I said, 'Allah has made it five only.' He repeated the same advice but I said that I surrendered (to Allah's Final Order)'" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was addressed by Allah, "I have decreed My Obligation and have reduced the burden on My slaves, and I shall reward a single good deed as if it were ten good deeds."

If the above is TRUE,


2. Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”


Are you afraid! ?




In summary, are the two hadiths above true or false statements or real or fiction ?

Here my post is again


Now that you have clearly stated that both hadiths are True, then they must not contradict one another.

Hear are Facts related to the two hadiths
1. Mohammed claimed that he would be the FIRST to be resurrected amongst humans.
2. Mohammed went to heaven and sees/speaks to Moses, Abraham, Adam etc.
3. Except for Jesus, all the people Mohammed saw are Dead and Buried here on earth.
4. It is not yet Time for Resurrection

Now,
Since it is not yet time of resurrection : Can you please explain, how did Abraham, Moses, Adam speak to Mohammed (aren't they supposed to be dead?)

Note:
They have all been resurrected even before Mohammed died. Isn't this an irony that needs some explanation?