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Kobojunkie:
1. Why couldn't it have been a part of the vision givem that the the himself appeared in a vision?

2. I don't agree with you. The way the name Michael was used suggested Daniel was aware of who he was that was being referred to.

Kobojunkie:
1. Why couldn't it have been a part of the vision givem that the the himself appeared in a vision?

2. I don't agree with you. The way the name Michael was used suggested Daniel was aware of who he was that was being referred to.

Kobojunkie:
Is there some reason why you refuse to read my response to this very same question to you for like the third or fourth time now? I have no intention of changing my response just so you know.

As for my continued mention of the Shiny Man, well, He is the narrator of the vision afterall, the same one who narrated beginning in Daniel 10 all the way through to end of chapter 12. I have to quote him since it is he -- not Daniel or anyone else -- who mentioned the character called Micheal.

Kobojunkie:
My mistake!

1. We know from the vision given to Daniel by the Shiny man that at the time presented in the vision which was given to Daniel, this Michael character was. But to suggest that based on that one line in Daniel 12, Micheal also had to be alive at the end of days, just over 550 years after Daniel received the vision, is a bit of a stretch on your part, given what is stated in that verse.
The same Shiny man spoke the vision in Daniel 10, 11, and 12. So it is not a leap to suggest He spoke of the same Michael character.

Kobojunkie:
1. We know from the vision given to Daniel by the Shiny man that at the time presented in the vision which was given to Daniel, this Michael character was. But to suggest that based on that one line in Daniel 12, Micheal also had to be alive at the end of days, just over 550 years after Daniel received the vision, is a bit of a stretch on your part, given what is stated in that verse.
The same Shiny man spoke the vision in Daniel 10, 11, and 12. So it is not a leap to suggest He spoke of the same Daniel.

2. What aspect of what Daniel saw do you believe was not fulfilled at the end of days which happened less than 600 years after Daniel was given the visions?

3. You say that but the truth I keep seeing in what is clearly stated does not seem to be what you continue to allude to, how come?

Kobojunkie:
Interesting claims you make here!

We know from the vision given to Daniel by the Shiny man that at the time presented in the vision which was given to Daniel, this Michael character was. But to suggest that based on that one line in Daniel 12, Micheal also had to be alive at the end of days, just over 550 years after Daniel received the vision, is a bit of a stretch on your part, given what is stated in that verse.

2. This brings me back to what I had been asking all along. The Shiny Man, in the vision, qualified the prince of Persia, the king of Persia, and maybe even the prince of Greece as evil angels.

Since you claim Micheal in Daniel had to be an archangel, then would it not equally follow that the King of Persia(Cyrus was King of Persia at the time in question), the prince of Persia, and the prince of Greece all equally mentioned in the vision were also archangels? And let's not exclude Daniel, another person who was mentioned in the vision as well.
Recall, we are dealing here with messages revealed in vision format and they are not meant to be given LITERAL interpretations.

Kobojunkie:
1. Ok. So Michael is not an angel but an archangel. And does this mean that every mention of the name Micheal in Scripture is of this archangel also called Michael in the Books of Jude and Revelations?
By the way, to comprehend what is written it is best to allow Scripture to reveal the truth intended by the author to you. The moment you resort to reading your previously held delusions between the lines of what is written, you violate Scripture and spew nothing but lies.

2. According to Daniel, the identity of the Micheal character is as prince of his people — Israel. So, how did you conclude that this particular prince is an archangel? Are all princes archangels? There are several other princes named Michael equally mentioned in Scripture. I believe some of them were princes too. Were they equally archangels?

And there are the many questions I previously asked that you have yet to answer...

3. The one who touched Daniel is the same supposedly delayed by the prince of Persia and was stuck with the king of Persia. So, does this equally mean Daniel was not human?

4. If you wish to believe that, good for you, my interest instead lies with understanding the identities of those mentioned by the Shiny man in the vision and so far, nothing to prove they aren't all humans or at least representations of them.

5. Beat Cyrus at what exactly? And was that for 21 literal solar days?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is your evidence that Michael is an angel?

2. The one who touched Daniel is the same one supposedly delayed by the prince of Persia and was stuck with the king of Persia. So, does this equally mean Daniel was not human?

3. If you wish to believe that, good for you,my interest instead lies with understanding the identities of those mentioned by the Shiny man in the vision and so far, nothing to prove they aren't all humans or at least representations of them.

4. Beat Cyrus at what exactly? And was that for 21 literal solar days?

Kobojunkie:
First thing first, you quoted earlier from chapter 10 claiming the shiny man from that vision was Gabriel. Why?

Second, who or what decides whether a character in or mentioned in a vision is of celestial origin or not? You keep insisting that because you believe the shiny man in chapter 10 was of celestial origin, then prince of Persia, King of Persia, and the prince of Greece must equally be of celestial origin. On what grounds do you make this conclusion?

Is Daniel whom the shiny man is written to have touched equally a celestial being? Cyrus was mentioned by God and he was a King of Persia, so why is he excluded from the celestial queue?

Kobojunkie:
Where you take see Gabriel, war in that verse you posted there?

Kobojunkie:
Storyland!

Is that not the same Cyrus God chose to use in the rebuilding of His Temple and repatriation of the Jews back to Judah?

Alooone:
Thanks....he is proposing we follow it the African way I.e the traditional way

Alooone:
Hello

Am a 32year old lady with 3kids...and my problem is that my husband doesn't like coming close to me.

This year September will make it 1 year since we came back to the house after about 4years of separation.

I have some health challenges I.e I have been diagnosed with Schizophrenia/ Bi-polar disorder so my challenges are peculiar...

He doesn't come close to me, he feels my illness is more spiritual and transferable...anything I make the move to initiate sex first I am met with violence.

Sometimes he makes comments like "leave me alone"..." How are u that what is doing you is not communicable", "how sure am I, that those that are doing you are not after me" etc.

In the course of this 10years of marriage... I have had to endure up to 2years of no sexual contact and is telling on me....my psychotherapist says I need sex to calm my subconscious... Sometimes when I want to sleep or in the night...I see strange men or women that want to sleep with me plus other strange things etc.

I need help please

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epainos:
Hmmm! See bro...you make sense here. Frankly speaking you are not totally wrong with this statement. And if I have to say the truth, you really understand the point I was making.

See...those Awolowo, Gowon, Azikiwe people...down to Tinubu.... hmmm. Those ones are just useless in every way. If there is a word to describe them all...they are olo.shi.

But why did i include 60 plus. These set of people still had good chances to travel abroad in the 80s... they got jobs easily after secondary school. It was already getting bad..but not like this. And they easily got Us, UK visa. So, for this reason, they are included.

My main issue with them is that those group of people failed to see the errors of their parents and they continued. This is why I am shouting so that when i get to 60 plus, my conscience will let me sleep well.

epainos:
Lol!

It is not by age....it is about the generation of people who had it all, but squandered it. My old age will be super bro. Why? I have enough and I am already giving back to the society. I know what I give out weekly. Also, i eat good organic food.

As you lay your bed, you sleep on it. Those old fo.ols demaded for only susbidy...chopped everything...cleaned their mouth...nothing they left behind....other than debt. Na their legacy.

So guy...my old age is going to be ok. I am preparing a good bed for myself.

Kobojunkie:
If you read what is written in the first verse of the same chapter that is Daniel 10, you would find a literal mention of the identity of the King of Persia at the time in question.
So, if in his journal, Daniel already indicated that the King of Persia at the time of the event was Cyrus, a human and man, then it should follow that the mentions of the Prince of Persia, the Prince of Greece, and the Prince of Daniel's people aka the Israelites, in addition to a repeat mention of the King of Persia, ought also be reference to either the individuals who occupy the seats or the office in question.

2. What you have done here is certainly not taking it at "face value" rather, you chose to regurgitate the same delusional lie that has previously been fed to you by your mogs and pastors. There is no evil ruling any nation except for the men— flesh and blood— who rule over them. You can read through the books of Jeremiah, Haggai, Isaiah, etc. to see how God directly punished the Kings, and peoples of each nation as He saw fit. No evil archangel power ruling people.

epainos:
Nigeria is an abnormal society. Read comments of m.ad people like the man above justifying his action. There are other ways of disciplining the girl, but the useless man as usual wanted to prove he is older than the girl. It is the right of the girl to defend herself from him. What about sending her out of the class. And if she doesnt walk out, he walks out and then take the right action. But he chose to force his will by laying his hands on the girl. And mum.u above just like the man are supporting the act. This is why they go to jail abroad. See eh...Nigeria is an abnormal society. This is why I dont regard anyone above 60. They are useless. Why? Na dem spoil Naija. Na dem holy pass...na dem sabi all...na dem want respect pass....but with the present state of Nigeria and with all the goodies available to them before and after independence. .look at where Nigeria is. Yet, they are still demanding respect. That generation is so manipulative. They use everything tovforce their will on people. If their useless words doesnt make sense, the next is to abuse the person by laying their hands on the victim. They dont mind using religious books to brain wash people. This generation ma.d oooò The portion they know in the Bible is honor your parents so your days may be long..if you quote parents, respect and love your children...they go go wild ni. Very selfish generation. They destroyed Nigeria. I pray the parents of the girl are well doing so they can treat the mess up of that useless ma d man. Just imagine...becos he thinks he is the alpha and omega in the class...he does not recognise the girl as an adult. Simple...use your authority and send her out of the class. Period. I know many lecturers who stepped aside until the kids walked out. Na the kids begged later because they kept sending the kids out of the class. Simple as ABC. That is the authority this man has. And it ends there. If the kid is useless and does not want to learn, it is automatic F. Period. But laying hands on the girl (an adult), this man needs to go to jail. But it is Naija na where abnormal people like those who have made comments above live. Werey plenty in naija

oluwaseyi0:
All this big men over protecting their daughter this is usually the end result

A so called young director been tossed up and down by a guy because she has no dating experience as a result of over protectiveness

You raised 'dumb' kid with zero street wisdom

JaneYave:
Smiles. It's cool who and what you wanna be for your husband, but just don't call others out because rvery true feminist in marriage adores her man!

Notplayn:
Dear happily married people that came from a broken home, please speak up.

Someone said it's not hereditary and I agree. But just saying that is no much help.

Marriage is very scary to me right now. Actually, for many years.

And it's something my partner is very interested in. I want it too, but the fear is all I can feel.

Fearyourcreator:
KO Ni da fun e... ooni jare... so this kind of man should one useless woman disrespect... oni sorire... any woman wey do anyhow make she collect serious beating, serious one ... give am Wetin she deserve... I always tell my daughter if you go do anyhow for man house ... you fit don die before we reach , dey gba fun oga e... if you go dey open mouth like say you no Omo lo gba esi wa... iya ma je eee... do normal and know he is your lord else ... you are done ... I dey see you ooo

Fearyourcreator:
Why does men die faster than women?

Fearyourcreator:
You better train your daughters on verbal abuse , you come here dey talk now... most fight starts from verbal abuse.. teach your daughters to control their mouth... na that man dense ... no woman will try that with me

Fearyourcreator:
He doesn't love his wife he sent her abroad... if any woman try that with me ... na for that public I go kill am , make everybody go jail... aswear... she might be cheating on the man but will want the man to keep shut make that one no gree... a man will just wake and start beating his wife ... what she has done painting him bad makes her no difference now ... their type dey commit suicide at the end .. seen case studies...

loswhite:
Can you he wicked to your wife and still sell your property to sponsor her to the UK? I don't understand how that works tho

iamrealdeji:
Mr Islamophobe. The beating of drums has today blinded your thinking. Ruined temple is the best place to pray. In fact you have enlightened me more and another reason for me to believe Prophet Muhammad ﷺ more. Allahu Akbar. May Allah bless the prophet. I used to think how did 124000 prophets fit into the temple. Thanks for enlightening me that the walls have ruined,delapidated walls and pillars would make a temple contain even millions of prophets,just the way we pray on field during Eid prayer. This is another sign that the Prophet was extremely honest and a man of honor. Thanks for letting me know the possibility and only way the temple was able to contain thousands of prophets. God definitely made the temple ruin because of the prayer of those thousands of prophets. Allahu Akbar.
Mumu. He was thoroughly examined by the best travelers and explorers of 7th century and the fact that he passed all the tests is one of the reasons why everybody in Saudi Arabia converted to Islam and the reason why Abubakri earned the title of Sidik. Before the thoroughly examination,many people left Islam because they thought the journey wasn't possible,but after the examination,they all came back into Islam. Don't think people of the past are fools, they're very smart. They wouldn't believe him if he has lied or failed the examination. Your conspiracy wi take you know where,Islam will keep growing and Christianity will keep declining as it is happening now according to research,meanwhile,Islam is world's fastest growing religion according to google