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Matinox:
Beautiful! This more like it!

However kindly note that if you read my texts again, you will realize I did not with the slightest intent, create a rule for all believers to proceed with marrying whoever they want, despising biological and medical precautions.

What I addressed is that the noise around this genotype thing will make even Genuine believers who really heard God, doubt the God they heard, and most times make a ship wreck of their faith, so those were my way of saying, Brethren, once you are sure you have Jesus in your relationship boat, stay trusting and believing. If your faith cannot proceed, seek His Will and call it off if He lets you, but never place any medical or biological circumstance above the word of God! It's the way of our fathers and the patriarchs, eve old testament saints.

Blessings & Peace.

Explore2xmore:
Now you show your arrogance that all this is not but for sake of winning an argument.

Probably why you hide that if you tell me certain things of your own scripture under your claim that I will not believe.

Do you all deceive yourselves that there aren't situations amongst humans where only one plaintive states his case in a dispute and the other is disallowed?


A reference to Guinness world records betrays your propensity to worldly views when your own scripture tells you the wisdom of man is but foolishness before God.
Yes both persons came for a settlement and only one stated his side of the dispute and a hasty reactive statement was made to his comment without listening to the other.
Are you all stuck up in your reasoning to see this?

Matinox:
You must grow to accept the will of God as sovereign, for this is the way of the Kingdom. The father rewards those who obey His Will.

If God's will for you is to marry an AS person, so that it will be counted for you as righteousness (using your reference), my brother you better bury your head there and obey God, don't think of dodging, in God's will is his absolute and most treasured reward!

The problem is many of your pastors have thought you that once you are a Christian, you won't suffer, suffering is not for you, but this is a lie! Check your Bible again. You don't have the choice of avoiding the WILL of God because it will be an unpleasant suffering, or because medical advise says no to you. You can decide to avoid that path, you'll walk in disobedience thereafter, you can be forgiven, but you'll lose the reward.

Imagine if Abraham did not believe God he'll have a son, even after being stricken with an old age. Scripture says he did not consider the deadness of Sarah's Womb. Which doctor will allow you to give birth at Sarah's age in that dispensation?

If you don't have Faith to stay through what God has said to you, it's up to you! You can abort! It's between you and God. It doesn't change the truth of the gospel, don't allow the systems of this world and philosophies, water down the principles of God's Kingdom. We must keep encouraging believers who have heard God on a matter, to proceed holding on the Faith in the WORD which they heard.

If God decides that your condition will be like those who died without receiving the promise, then how great and blessed you are to stay with God till the end, for great is your recompense!

Matinox:
Greetings guys.

If you are not a believer, kindly stay out of this thread and take your logical sentiments elsewhere.

However if you want to be blessed by serving Jesus, and experience the victories of His faith, read on!

I've seen a number of threads regarding the issue of genotype in relationships and the overwhelming response & criticism that follows. It's sickening to read through and realize that believers also share the same medical sentiments and quickly clamp down on anyone asking such questions.

I have a question...
Can God heal HIV?
If your answer is yes;
Then, can God change a genotype?

I don't know if anyone here has been discouraged by reading some of these comments, and your Godly relationships is threatened. I have just one question for you and you'd be good...

Did God originate your relationship? Are you in the will of God?

If your answer is yes and you are sure, please and please, stay with God and don't listen to anything else that speaks against what God has said to you.

We have read of ladies who got married without a womb and had children...
We have read of couples who got married as AS, remained AS after the marriage and had Children who were born with AA as genotype.

God is still in the business of the supernatural!

If you have stories of victories in this regard, kindly share, let's strengthen the soul of each other and hold the fort.

Blessings and Peace!

gaskiyamagana:
A comedian indeed! The man through whom Almighty God revealed the sorrowful end of those who, by omission or commission, named themselves followers of with overblown and satanically invented beliefs, and same Jesus will disown them before Allah on the day of Jdgement (Q5:114 - 118

AntiChristian:
This is an asinine question!

Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam didn't write Anything from the Qur'an!

And how will Satan write?

Explore2xmore:
Are you playing dumb or actually are?
This is my brother.
Quran 38:23 He has ninety-nine sheep while I have ˹only˺ one. ˹Still˺ he asked me to give it up to him, overwhelming me with ˹his˺ argument.”
Quran 38:24 [David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] and turned in repentance [to Allah].

gaskiyamagana:
Friendly sorry to my Muslim brothers who are are arguing or dragging this story with you, whom lack knowledge of Quran Exegesis and faith of believing it's content. They should have noticed your ignoramousity and childish interpretation of the story with those questions you asked. Again, they should have known that before your birth, Allah has mentioned your type (s) ; in Q3:7 as far interpretation and comprehension of Qur'an are concerned.

Explore2xmore:
Strenuously lengthy duplication of essentially the same thing yet no reference to Quran 38:23 and still no response to:




I answered:

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. (tested) True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

Explore2xmore:
So:
Of course simple English tells us that one person spoke this sentence
“This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

Essentially forced isn't it yet the person who allegedly forced the order wasn't given opportunity to speak or relay his own side of events?

Does this look like how justice can be served and seen to be served?

Do you not see the lesson in how a judge should patiently hear all litigants, analyse and derive fair judgement by the grace of the all wise?

Explore2xmore:
Strenuously lengthy duplication of essentially the same thing yet no reference to Quran 38:23 and still no response to:

Qasim6:
Qur'an is not a story book, it is a book of guidance to humankind. You can't read it like you read your holey forgery Bible

Qasim6:
What Allah want us to take away from those verses is that we should be quick to turn in repentance whenever we found out we have erred.
As soon as David made judgement between the two he realized the whole case it's a trial from God and God is trying to pass him a message regarding what he has done previously. He turn in repentance and he was forgiven.

Qasim6:
Now let me ask you a question, why did the Bible refer to Egypt ruler during the time of Joseph as pharaoh?

Qasim6:
Qur'an that you are claiming copied from the Bible and have error of comprehension of Bible passages does not make such mistake.
Historically, it is now a known fact that Egypt rulers in the days of Joseph are not known as pharaoh.

Explore2xmore:
Show me your response on me questioning you of Q38:23

Explore2xmore:
Show me your response on me questioning you of Q38:23

TenQ:
Here below was what I posted
Unfortunately unlike you Muslims, we don't belive in the Destiny of Allah as Allah has destined David to both be wise and foolish at the same time. David was a man after God's heart and he did everything God asked him to do except that he also did what he was not sent to by God like Adultery and Murder against Uriah the Hittite. I am sure you know that God doesn't tell David EVERYTHING to do like when to sleep with his wives or go to the toilet or when to worship or when to read the scriptures.

Unfortunately, If you check your Quran, you will notice that the verse on Allah bestowing wisdom and sagacity of judgement immediately preceeded his perceived stupidity. This is an apparent contradiction which is inexcusable.

Secondly,
You will note that Allah was telling a story that was already in existence

Qur'an 38:21
AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
Allah was asking if you Muslims have heard of this story..

Please, I ask you:
From who would you Muslims hear the story if not from Jews and Christians?
See your response below
Is there any correlation?



I challenge you to bring out the place where you asked me this question and I refused to answer it! I am not like you Muslims who evade questions because of fear of exposure.

First show me that only one person of the two spoke to David
Qur'an 38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not!( We are but) two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show (both of) us the way to rectitude



Of course simple English tells us that one person spoke this sentence
“This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”


The problem now is that you claim that David erred in judging the rich man because he did not hear his own side of the story.

1. It didn't dawn on you that as you Muslims usually claim that "the Qur'an is not a storybook" that Allah or is it Mohammed summarised the story. If not, can you tell us what finally happened to the ewe in question?

Is it that David just dismissed them after he repented to Allah for his rashness in judgment?
2. Till now, you have not explained how the rich man is vindicated in this matter. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?


Waiting endlessly as usual with response which would not correlate with the questions.


By the way,
How did the poor man convince the rich man to climb the fence with him to seek redress with the king

TenQ:
I wonder if it is jot English comprehension that is disturbing you in your quest to make a single point of value interpret 1 Corinthians 1:20 and 1 Corinthians 3:19


I have done justice to your question but again

Of course simple English tells us that one person spoke this sentence
“This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”


It didn't dawn on you that as you Muslims usually claim that "the Qur'an is not a storybook" that Allah or is it Mohammed summarised the story . If not, can you tell us what finally happened to the ewe in question?

Is this an exact replica of what happened between the litigant and David?

If it is,
1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?

Above for your response

By the way,
How did the poor man convince the rich man to climb the fence with him to seek redress with the king

Explore2xmore:
When you pretend not to see:


How then can you see the conclusion?

TenQ:
If David was wrong in his judgement of the two men, tell us how the rich man was correct and the poor man wrong?

The question is simple to comprehend isn't it?

TenQ:
Unfortunately unlike you Muslims, we don't belive in the Destiny of Allah as Allah has destined David to both be wise and foolish at the same time. David was a man after God's heart and he did everything God asked him to do except that he also did what he was not sent to by God like Adultery and Murder against Uriah the Hittite. I am sure you know that God doesn't tell David EVERYTHING to do like when to sleep with his wives or go to the toilet or when to worship or when to read the scriptures.

Unfortunately, If you check your Quran, you will notice that the verse on Allah bestowing wisdom and sagacity of judgement immediately preceeded his perceived stupidity. This is an apparent contradiction which is inexcusable.

Secondly,
You will note that Allah was telling a story that was already in existence

Qur'an 38:21
AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
Allah was asking if you Muslims have heard of this story..

Please, I ask you:
From who would you Muslims hear the story if not from Jews and Christians?

Explore2xmore:
In absolute Truth Jesus has no earthly father. How then is his case treated?

22jumpstreet1:
stay on discussion, show me quotes from the Tanakh..i don't understand all these..


OK So it was the lord that said so....so why don't you continue it? if it was God that commanded it...
why did you resort to wanting to kill a human being instead?


Can God's spirit given to man die or be annihilated?
If God is a Holy God, how can one join His spirit with that which was polluted with sin and Wickedness! NOOOOO, it can not die, it is GOD. keep up, i said it will be sent back to earth, to be purified again and make amends...it will be reincarnated..

22jumpstreet1:
confess and forsake, that is a sincere repentance that is what he has always said he wanted....there was never a time there was ever a talk of a human sacrifice...'a contrite heart you will not spurn...psalm 50

22jumpstreet1:
He never did, it was their own idea....

22jumpstreet1:
why does God need to quarantine his spirit? If it has not accomplish the purpose why it was sent to earth, t will be sent back again. Like I always say. We are all the same ''spirit of God'' experiencing life in multiple ways..

AntiChristian:
Only holy spirit confused fellows dey parrot such nonsense!

AntiChristian:
What kind anuofia kpotokpoto talk be this?

AntiChristian:
You're a comedian now!

Explore2xmore:
Explicitly your Bible tells you:
1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”


Now boldly answer if the litigants jointly said:
Quran 38:23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

Your repeated refusal to answer

Explore2xmore:
By motherly relations does Jesus have a Levi ancestry?

Explore2xmore:
You are yet refusing to answer .
Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

What stops you?

Explore2xmore:
Do you abrogate a family relation between the 12 tribes of Israel?
Anyway there are notes of exact racism in your Biblical literature so much so your Biblical Jesus made difference between the Jews and Gentiles.
Then in circumspect Paul and Christians want to force a Jesus who restricted himself upon the whole world.

In essence your concerns and errors in slandering the one the Biblical God says is after his own heart.

Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

So God wanted David to commit adultery or fornication with Bathseba then further place her husband or Bethroted to be killed?

Do take your confusing contradictions to your private corners

AntiChristian:
Nobody needs help here!
The question has been answered but will you accept?
No, you'll either move to another new topic or reject clear evidence. This is typical of the biblical Sadducees and Pharisees who keep parroting the miniscule knowledge they had!

If you won't oblige others in your topics why bring out the topic in the first place?

Even in your Christian circle you're never always correct when it comes to judgement so how come your position on any Islamic theology must be sacrosanct?

Does your perceived holy spirit interpret the books of the disbelievers?

Anyways I know say na person wet get ear fit hear!
Person fit get eyes and lack insight!

Shalom Aliechem!

Explore2xmore:
A sound judge is one who makes fair and well-reasoned decisions based on the available evidence and in accordance with the law. However, being perfectly correct is an unattainable standard for any human being, including a judge. It is important to recognize that judges are not infallible and are susceptible to making mistakes just like anyone else.

Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

Anxiously waiting

Explore2xmore:
Because you are fixated on a physical fence and do not know how come a chamber is private.

Private to David and restricted from many. Thank you Mr Expert of Philosophy and Logic

Explore2xmore:
You see. A check is a question and you are bothered to say if it's going well or not and go on to question if you were reported to me.

Bringing in unasked questions?

Clearly you refuse to see two different Miriams born centuries appart? How many centuries apart are David and Jesus according to your bible? Yet Matthew 1:1 The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is Jesus literally the immediate Son of David or David an immediate son of Abraham?

SIRTee15:
Thanks bro.
I just read your number one question. I don laff taya.
Imagine a poor man convincing a rich man that they should both jump fence to get the king's audience.
Koran no go kill person

AntiChristian:
Leave the ignorant ninny alone..Na daft he daft in Christianity!

Explore2xmore:
When you limit your definition of a fence you fail to understand. David had an inner chamber he withdrew to for deep worship. Here he was isolated from external disturbance while worshipping God.

Has there come to you the story of the litigants when they made an entry into the private chamber (of David) by climbing over the walls? They entered on David, and he was frightened of them” (Qur’an, 38:21).

Wall/Fence/Barrier?

Explore2xmore:
True to type. You rather try to cause confusion rather than addressing one issue at a time.

Is Mariam from the Tribe of Judah? How are the tribe of Judah related to Aaron?

Must it be that Mary the mother of Jesus is literally the sister of Aaron? Why cannot this be in reference to her status as pious person?

How many people bore the name Jesus when the Nazarene Jesus was alive?

O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.

Surah Maryam 19:28

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

I try not to refer to hadith as much as possible as these do not always have the best chain of naration and agreement in truth with the Quran or reality of affairs.