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SIRTee15:
How did u know that the 2 litigants were angels. Did the Koran mentioned or hadith mentioned them as angels.
The Koran said the two men scaled the fence. I dont think angels should be jumping over the fence to see someone. If they have the power to disappear, then they should have the power to appear not jump the fence as written in Koran.

This is what happens when lies are invented to prop up other lies of islam: as if the new lies would erase the old.

Stay blessed bro

CrystalBliss:
You forgot to ask him how Mariam the sister of Aaron suddenly became the mother of Jesus.

Thank you o!

I actually only wanted to give him examples that are purely historical in nature and outside the claim of the Bible.

There are countless number of goofs from the ignorant author of the Qur'an one can post to them

Shalom

Explore2xmore:
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Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

So because David was bestowed with Wisdom it means he has all wisdom and is infallible?

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

Are you akin to who Fela refers to as Zombie or Mr Follow follow?

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

You are in a fantasy or ai world that imagines an immediate delivery or some mystical ability to know the unseen?

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

Why dodge answering my questions as it was neatly and carefully laid out for you to respond to one by one.

You have just shown David in spite of the special wisdom given to him to be intellectually below average. Could it be that Allah failed in his mission of giving him wisdom? The case is simple to judge sir.

My questions again so that you wouldn't claim ignorance.



Hello my brother!
How you seem to swallow illogicalities still amaze me. I will proove that to you with just some simple questions.

To you, the Tafsir of Al-Tabari is wrong and you know Islam better than him.

1. Qur'an 38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment

But you are saying that David did not have wisdom and sagasity in judgment because he decided based on hearing only the poor man speak.

Is the claim of Allah wrong in verse 20?

2. Qur'an 38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - (the story of the two) who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary (in which David prayed)

a. Tell me how it is logical for a poor man who want to seek redress from the king force or coherse or pasuaded the rich man to scale the walls of the palace of the king with him.

b. Tell me how the security details of King David didn't apprehend them. Was it a miracle or the two men decided to be extremely quiet!?

3. Qur'an 38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not!( We are but) two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show (both of) us the way to rectitude

Note that this wasn't a monologue as you want us to believe: both men spoke to the king. Is that untrue?

4. Quran 38:24 Said (David) : “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another (all) save those who believe (in God) and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And (suddenly) David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance

a. Was David in error with his judgment?
If he was in error, how then is the rich man justified for taking the lamb of his poor brother?
b. Can you suggest plausible reasons how the rich man may be justified for taking the lamb of the poor man?

Explore2xmore:
Alas you feign blindness at things evidently clear:

"[David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." [b]And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] [/b]and turned in repentance [to Allah]."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 24)


And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room). When they entered in upon David, he was terrified of them, they said: Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other; therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way.

““Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: ‘Hand it over to me,’ and he overpowered me in speech.”David said immediately without listening to the opponent: “He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few.”And David guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.O David! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah.

https://muhammadsufian./2010/12/25/the-story-of-prophet-dawud-two-litigants-the-authentic-version/


"Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: 'Hand it over to me,' and he overpowered me in speech."

Dawud said immediately without listening to the opponent: "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few."

And Dawud guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.

O Dawud! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allah shall have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. (38:21-26 Quran).

https://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-of-islam/1711-prophet-dawud-david.html

You believe in partial or impartial justice? Perhaps you can give fair justice without holistic consideration of issues.

Please you have an attribute you pretend to be incapable of using. Or do you draw faith in attributing detestable things to prophets of God as a means to encourage improper behaviour in faulty hope that you will be forgiven? Why will you deliberately do wrong in belief that you will be forgiven. Where lies your sincerity?

Hello my brother!
How you seem to swallow illogicalities still amaze me. I will proove that to you with just some simple questions.

To you, the Tafsir of Al-Tabari is wrong and you know Islam better than him.

1. Qur'an 38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment

But you are saying that David did not have wisdom and sagasity in judgment because he decided based on hearing only the poor man speak.

Is the claim of Allah wrong in verse 20?

2. Qur'an 38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - (the story of the two) who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary (in which David prayed)

a. Tell me how it is logical for a poor man who want to seek redress from the king force or coherse or pasuaded the rich man to scale the walls of the palace of the king with him.

b. Tell me how the security details of King David didn't apprehend them. Was it a miracle or the two men decided to be extremely quiet!?

3. Qur'an 38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not!( We are but) two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show (both of) us the way to rectitude

Note that this wasn't a monologue as you want us to believe: both men spoke to the king. Is that untrue?

4. Quran 38:24 Said (David) : “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another (all) save those who believe (in God) and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And (suddenly) David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance

a. Was David in error with his judgment?
If he was in error, how then is the rich man justified for taking the lamb of his poor brother?
b. Can you suggest plausible reasons how the rich man may be justified for taking the lamb of the poor man?

AbuTwins:
The biblical Jesus was portrayed worse!

Of course false...
But about your prophet!

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?


What can we call anyone guilty of these
Vile!?

22jumpstreet1:
i agree with you. what makes you think he cant forgive you if you are truly sorry for your sins and you turn a new leaf. Just like he ordered in Ezekiel 18..

If God is absolute over ALL, tell me how you can undo your acts of disobedience to Him?

22jumpstreet1:
it is a practice for Judaism. God did not command them. when they where in Babylon they did not believed that if they humbly confess their sins and forsake their evil ways , God will not forgive them...They knew God would forgive them...God is only interested in a sincere repentance...why would he want you to slaughter a human being for him before he does that? those it even makes any sense to you?

So, why did God give them the ordinance of the scapegoat if it is not significant?

22jumpstreet1:
hahha. hell fire is just a creation of the catholic church. we are Gods spirit dwelling within a physical body. when man expires, it means God has called his spirit from that body. the body can no longer carry out any function. its consciousness has departed from its body. we just bury it for it to become dust from which it was taken. is it Gods spirit that is going to hell?? does the idea even makes any sense to you?

Did you hear me mention Hell even just once?
I have mentioned a place of Quarantine (being cut off eternally from God):
Can God's spirit die?

22jumpstreet1:
my own belief is that if that spirit has not concluded its purpose of creation it is sent back again to earth to start all over in another body and get it right. till it is now a pure soul and it can finally become like God Just as John soya in one of his epistle..

You can beleive ANYTHING you want: its your cup to drink. However, one day, the TRUTH will stare you at the face.

22jumpstreet1:
leave that to God. he did not reveal what happens to them. it is really not our business, ours is to follow his divine laws.
if they obey his laws he blesses them
if the disobeys he punishes them...
that's is what he does to every human on earth and every people, he gave us his divine laws to keep.
He is punishing us with leaders who don't care for us as we are too deep on idolatry..

However, do you think God is Just?
Do you think God will punish Evil done by men to their fellow men eg. Murder, Torture, Rape, Violence etc
Or
God will overlook the misdeeds of evil people?

22jumpstreet1:
yes, probably because it is not our concern. we should concern our self with keeping the laws of existence...

the romans created those for the purpose of population control, power and money...

Really?

If God is JUST, it makes sense that He must punish EVIL and REWARD righteousness.
We call the Place of Reward Paradise
We call the place of Judgement Hell

Choose this day where you will spend your eternity for spirits never die!

TenQ:
Are these major sins UNTRUE about your Prophet!?

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?

If these are not major sins unbecoming for a prophet, what else is a major sin?!

Mr AbuTwins:
I'm still waiting for you

Qasim6:
You are still on this mission of comparing your holey forgery Bible with the Qur'an?

..

It seems you are better in knowledge than both your prophet and Allah: because they dissagree completly with you.

If you doubt, I can give you the words of your Allah in the Quran and the words of your prophet in the Hadiths

22jumpstreet1:
absolute in what sense?

Is your God not absolute over EVERYTHING!?

22jumpstreet1:
HE NEVER...sacrifices where for sins committed in ignorance. And its not in all cases a sacrifice is required some measures of floor is also allowed. in all other cases you must confess and forsake...and there was never a time that human sacrifice was ever approved by the creator..it was a she goat less that a year old and without blemish...go back again and read it..

This is the sacrifice done collectively for the people of God: is this untrue?
My Question was simple and direct: Why did God require a scapegoat for the forgiveness of the sins of Israel?
Lev 16:21-22
21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a cfit man into the wilderness:
22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

22jumpstreet1:
when was it created? before the first day of creation or after the creation of man.. the old testament idea of death was God taking his spirit and the body buried and returning to dust.....psalm 104:29-31

The details was not recorded.
However, do you think God is Just?
Do you think God will punish Evil done by men to their fellow men eg. Murder, Torture, Rape, Violence etc
Or
God will overlook the misdeeds of evil people?

22jumpstreet1:
there are consequences already for violating his laws he already said that in Deuteronomy 28..read it up again

Are you unaware that this is what follows the Children of Israel on earth!?

Are you saying that All Evil People die Poor and Miserable in their lives?
Are you aware of the kinds of atrocities some kings and powerful people have committed on earth with no seemingly apparent consequences?


I hope that you know that the Old Testament did not discuss Resurrection and Eternity?

Qasim6:
Qur'an is not a story book, it is a book of guidance to humankind. You can't read it like you read your holey forgery Bible

The Quran is a comedy of errors of disjointed stories of the ancients
How did the story of the Dhu al-Qarnayn enter the Quran (Quran 18:83–101)?
How did the legend of the Seven Sleepers enter the Quran(Quran 18:10–16)?
How did the children bedtime story of Solomons flying carpet and stick and magic ring enter the quran?
Women having reproductive fluid is a guidance?
The list is endless my dear!

Qasim6:
What Allah want us to take away from those verses is that we should be quick to turn in repentance whenever we found out we have erred.
As soon as David made judgement between the two he realized the whole case it's a trial from God and God is trying to pass him a message regarding what he has done previously. He turn in repentance and he was forgiven.

How is the verses a guide to turn in repentance?
What was the error of David in Judging the case (You haven't told me how the poor man was the guilty one of the two)?

Qasim6:
Now let me ask you a question, why did the Bible refer to Egypt ruler during the time of Joseph as pharaoh?

The term Pharaoh is adopted as an epithet of respect for of the Kings of Egypt and not the name of a particular king.
The term "Pharaoh" originally referred to the palace or the royal residence in ancient Egypt, but over time it became used as a title for the ruler of Egypt.

No one knows for sure the exact name of the king of Egypt at that time, however the following kings are postulated to be the Pharaoh Sesostris II (1894-1878 BCE) or Pharaoh Yakbim Sekhaenre (1805-1780 BC)
Moses wrote the Torah and thus used the terms familiar to the readers the terms Pharaoh in describing ALL kings of Egypt.


What do you have to say to this
Quran 12:20
And they sold him for a reduced price - a few dirhams - and they were, concerning him, of those content with little.
You may wish to show how Dirhams were spent in Egypt as money during the time of Joseph
Note: This is Allah himself speaking and not Mohammed.

Qasim6:
Qur'an that you are claiming copied from the Bible and have error of comprehension of Bible passages does not make such mistake.
Historically, it is now a known fact that Egypt rulers in the days of Joseph are not known as pharaoh.

I have explained this as a generic term of respect and address of the kings of Egypt was adopted by Moses who lived in the Palace of his Pharaoh.

But the Quran makes SEVERAL obvious historical errors
1. Show any historical evidence that Ezra is the son of God according to the Jews?
2. Did Jesus Die on the Cross according to history?
3. Where on the earth is the Massive wall of iron in Quran 18:96-97
4. Where is the barrier holding the Gog and Magog in archaeology in Quran 21:96
5. Show that crucifixions happened at the time of Moses (approximately 1500 BCE) as well as Joseph (approximately 2000 BCE) Quran 21:71 and Quran 12:41
6. Show how the Samaritans existed at the time of Moses Quran 20:85 and Quran 20:95
7. How come Allah was supposed to preserve the body of ONE pharaoh but we find several mummified Pharaohs preserved in their tombs Quran 10:92
8. As of the time of Moses, not one single children of Israel was king Quran 5:20
9. John (Yahaya) was a common name in the time of Jesus. Even some of Jesus disciples were named John contrary to Quran 19:7
10. Show a single non islamic source that says Abraham and Ismael built the Kaaba Quran 2:125-127

I challenge you to prove me wrong on any one above of your choice.

You will agree with me that this level of errors is not befitting the Creator of the Universe.

SIRTee15:
Modern muslims are on a sole mission- to discredit the bible. If doing so brings the Koran to the mud, they dont care. The target is the bible.
Muslims know Koran has no reputation in the first place, so its a matter of what is already down needs no fear of falling. It's the bible that up there that should be brought down.

U need to see them arguing genocide in the bible, u will wonder if Koran is a saint when it comes to genocide.

Thanks for bringing stuff like this up. Muslims like to claim prophets are saints who did no wrong. Passages like this one will continue to burst their lies.

I perfectly agree with you.

After studying Islam, you will get the conclusion that neither Allah nor Mohammed dictates doctrine in Islam but their scholars decisions .

They would gladly throw both Allah and Mohammed under the bus if their claims do not sound as they want it to sound.

Allah says to Muslims "Do Mutah!"
Mohammed Allowed it and Forbade it and Allowed it and Forbade it..
Sunni Muslims Forbid Mutah
Shia Muslims Allow Mutah
Every thing depend on what their scholars agree is right.

This is the same with the manner in which they practice Jihad: it is according to what their scholars agree and this also depend on their school

22jumpstreet1:
where did you get this from?
i want quote from the Tanakh

Only if you show me from the Tanakh that God is NOT absolute!

22jumpstreet1:
No ransom was ever demanded, all he said was confess and forsake , i will forgive 2nd chronicles 7:14 quote where this your infinite ransom is mentioned..

Why did God require a scapegoat for the forgiveness of the sins of Israel

22jumpstreet1:
it still did not work because there is still a condition attached...and there is still the idea of 'hell'
what's your position on hell?

Hell is a place where rejected people are quarantined!

22jumpstreet1:
why the condition?

Because If God's command is VIOLATED without any consequence, he stops being Absolute over ALL!

MightySparrow:
You and I be know that Mohammed was a comedian.

Of cause we know that.

But the Deceived seem to be defending him.
They are even willing to change some of the teachings of Mohammed to better defend his deception.

MightySparrow:
The whole story of redemption somehow not logical.It generates much questions than answers it intends to proffer.
Why would a third party die for a sin not committed?
Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once? Theologians in the house over to you.

Really!?
1. God's law and command is absolute and never violated
2. God created beings with free will with capacity to willfully violate His commands
3. Since violation of God's command is against His Absoluteness: God's Law mandates that he who violates His integrity be eternally cut off from Him. It is an weight of infinite judgment
4. God's Love for humans made Him to save those who will by their volition and freewill choose to love Him and be eternally subject to Him by paying for their sin with an infinite ransom.
5. What can be greater than God Himself receiving the punishment due to the offender by offering Himself as a scapegoat for his sin (violation of God's integrity)
This is the reason why Jesus became the LAMB of God who takes away the sins of the world.


Killing Satan does not deliver you from the Offence of violation of God's integrity.
Jesus became the FINE for our Offence, PAID in full for those who choose to Love and Follow Him.

adesegun121:
Stop taking loan manage with little resources you have and guide your business with prayer

If you check the background of most of this loan company or App is nothing but Evil because i don't see any reason why a growup man will commit suicide because of Money

Easier said than done especially if you don't have friends and relations who can be a source of support.

For many people, the money at hand cannot even feed them nor pay their house rent. Hence the resort to loans hoping for a breakthrough in their business.

Unfortunately, the business terain of Nigeria is terrible!

Qasim6:
You are still on this mission of comparing your holy forgery Bible with the Qur'an?

You are channelling your energy in the wrong direction.
Let me give you a hint of where you should be channelling your intellect.

It's a known fact that the writer of gospel according to Matthew used Mark gospel extensively in writing his. why would he change a passage from his source that has to do with the Jesus divinity?

Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Matthew 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Things like these are what you should be worried about.

Sorry o!

For a book ascribed to be written by Allah and dictated by Jibril, there isn't supposed to be an iota of error in it.


This was about Qur'an 38:20-27 and we are already seeing errors in narratives. Is this why you cannot answer direct questions?

1. How did David commit a sin against God here?
2. Is the poor man in error in this dispute?
3. If the rich man is correct, why would he be?
Under what situation can the only lamb of a poor man not owing you money be justified for taking by a strong man?


Even your chairman AntiChristian knows well to keep quiet when illogicalities of the Qur'an are being discussed.

Qasim6:
Your God called Israelites sheep

"I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel."

According to your holey forgery Bible, He even called a Cananite woman a dog.

Mr Qasim6,
You can create your thread and I will join you. However, why is it that Mohammed or is it Allah misunderstood the plain Sayings of the scriptures relating the story of David.

Qasim6:
7.179 And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.

Do you understand that which tou wrote up here?

It means that Allah has created even many Muslims for hell.

AbuTwins:
About what?



Do you accept all exegesis of the Bible? Use your brain when you ask questions please. You're an adult!



I said they were influenced by Jews and Christian reverts! I didn't know you have sight deficiency or else I wouldn't have responded at the start.

Do treat yourself as you can debase yourself just to find fault in Islam!

And when your question is answered you deflect to another fluke again!

If Al-Tabari was influenced by the Jews and Christians, was your prophet not also influenced by the Jews and Christians?

Are you saying that you are better than Al-Tabari as a scholar of Islam?


The question I asked you was this:
Did Allah give an explanation to Qur'an 38:20-27
Did Mohammed give an explanation to Qur'an 38:20-27

AbuTwins:
Where was adultery and covetousness as regards David mentioned in the verse? You're simply telling lies and interpreting the verse with isrealiyat narrations which were influenced mainly by Jewish and Christian reverts!



Of course it will make sense with the perversion mentioned against David the ancestor of your God!
Once again, Bathsheba and Uriah were never mentioned in the Qur'an!



The Qur'an verse is as simple as it is.

When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance. [Saad 38:24 interpretation of the meaning].

1. Is David stupid contrary to Qur'an 38:20

38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment

Did David made a BAD Judgement?

2. Contrary to you, both of them spoke to David.


38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not! [We are but] two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show [both of] us the way to rectitude



So, Did David do wrong by condemning the rich man?

If he did wrong, Why should the Poor man be condemned?

Explore2xmore:
You do not rely on the Bible to explain the Quran.

The story of David and the litigants, as presented in Tafsir Al-Hakam, is actually a biblical narrative from the Books of Samuel in the Old Testament, an Israliyat that Tenq, you and others wrongly rely on. This mistake represents a critical error in the tafsir, as it attributes a story from the Bible to the Quran, leading to a misinterpretation and a misunderstanding of the actual message of the Quranic verse.

As a result, this error may cause confusion and misrepresentation of the Quranic text, especially for those who rely on tafsir to understand the nuances and teachings of the Quran. It is essential for scholars and theologians to conduct thorough research and ensure the accuracy of their interpretations, as errors in tafsir can have significant implications for the understanding of the Quran and the teachings it imparts.

Question is did David have 99 wives before?
If David was so perfect in judgement how come his son Sulaiman peace of Allah be on his prophets present a better argument when 2 women lay claim to a baby?


The error in the Tafsir Al-Hakam of Quran 38:21 concerning the story of David and the litigants is a critical example of the potential pitfalls in scholarly interpretations of the Quran.

Why don't you then give a robust exegesis on Qur'an 38:20-27

If Mohammed did not explain it and neigher did Allah explain it, should you not refer to the people of the Book as Commanded by Allah?

AbuTwins:
The source is the apparent meaning of the text of the Qur'an.

All the Qur'an exegesis about Uriah and Bathsheba were influenced by the Jews or Christians who became Muslims.

We call them isrealiyat narrations! That's like saying interpretation of the Qur'an with the Torah lens.

I've asked you: What exactly did Mohammed or Allah say about this?

The interpretation that you are talking about are accepted by you Muslims isn't it?

Al-Tabari was no Christian nor Jew!

Manufacture another lie: Why must Islam always be defended by denial and lies?

SIRTee15:
I've replied him, now let's await his mental gymnastics.

They are all frantically looking for solutions from their modern Islamic scholars to no avail.
The best for now they can do is to feign deaf and dumb

SIRTee15:
Now that we can confirm that the koranic verse was actually about David, Uriah and bathsheba, we can ignore that AbuTwins who has been fabricating lies about the koran here. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

So my question to AbuTwins and other islamic apologetics...
Where did Muslims gets their own version of what happened between David, Bathsheba and Uriah.
How did they come about their own tales. Was it the Koran or hadith. Or Muhammed interpreted the verse as such.

If u claiming the bible narrative is false, tell me the source of your own story.

Then we can start from there.

Above is the Question for you.
Thanks to your SIRTee15 for this!

Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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SIRTee15:
My friend u just confabulating. The theory u pushing here cannot the derived from the passage.
Your Koran said Allah blessed David with wisdom and never made bad judgement, so how can he beg for forgiveness for judgment he made when he's meant not to err on any judgement in the first place.
Ko make sense.

Here's how your scholars interpreted the passage. At least they were honest enough to admit the passage had to do with Uriah and Bathsheba. Unlike your dubious claim.

They even debunked your 419 theory as false and nonsense.

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/38.25

Thank you my brother for showing him this Tafsir from their own scholars. Islam cannot survive without lies.

Unfortunately, the problem of Islam is compounded once the link with Batsheba is made. They see this quagmire and thus they need a robust lie to cover up

SIRTee15:
So what was meant to be the correct adjudication. According to the passage, David realised the one with 99 ewes was wrong to demand the ewe of the just one....which to me is the right decision.
Are u saying it's a wrong decision? Why should David asked for forgiveness of sin by making such a sound judgement.

Muslims always claim if sound logic is applied to religion, Islam will triumph. But this koranic verse is very confusing, it seems there's a missing piece left out to this
inconclusive story

You can see the confusion in islam

By itself alone, the story presented by Allah in Quran 38:20-27 is meaningless.

How does Allah intend anyone to understand the stroy with no context?


A poor man had the power to perform citizens arrest on a rich man and he carried him above the fence of the palace of David!

Not even one security agent caught them and they were even telling DAVID not to be afraid.

Qur'an 38:20-27
38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment
38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not! [We are but] two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show [both of] us the way to rectitude
38:23 “Behold, this is my brother: he has ninety-nine ewes, whereas I have [only] one ewe - and yet he said, ‘Make her over to me,’ and forcibly prevailed against me in this [our] dispute.”
38:24 Said [David]: “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another [all] save those who believe [in God] and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And [suddenly] David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance
38:25 And thereupon We forgave him that [sin]: and, verily, nearness to Us awaits him [in the life to come], and the most beauteous of all goals
38:26 [And We said:] “O David! Behold, We have made thee a [prophet and, thus, Our] vicegerent on earth: judge, then, between men with justice, and do not follow vain desire, lest it lead thee astray from the path of God: verily, for those who go astray from the path of God there is suffering severe in store for having forgotten the Day of Reckoning!”


1. How did David commit a sin against God here?
2. Is the poor man in error in this dispute?
3. If the rich man is correct, why would he be?
Under what situation can the only lamb of a poor man not owing you money be justified for taking by a strong man?



Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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AbuTwins:
Of course, i am correct. No one is saying either of them is right or wrong! As usual here you just want to argue blindly!

The richer stated his case but the poor wasn't given a change to talk. So who determines who was right or wrong with an incomplete case?

You will have to show your prove that they are related. The burden of proof is not on me. Allah related well about Dawud in the Qur'an and he was a pious man who sings the Zabur beautifully that Allah made the animals sing along with him.

The Qur'an has no Uriah, no Bathsheba, etc.
Na your Bible get that foul story.



How is this related to the story of David?
Jumping from one fault-finding mission to another!
Abeg! Make I go do use my time on other fruitful things.

Are these major sins UNTRUE about your Prophet!?

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?

If these are not major sins unbecoming for a prophet, what else is a major sin?!

AbuTwins:
When Jesus sent someone to go and take a donkey to fulfill the prophecy how did the person enter the building?

Were there no security?

Your questions are asinine!

Unfortunately for you, animals like donkeys are not kept inside the house but usually tied to a tree in front of the house.

There was no security

Mat 21:2-3:
"Saying to them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway you shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them to me. And if any man say ought to you, you shall say, The Lord has need of them; and straightway he will send them."


So, answery question :

How did the poor man carry the rich man over the fence of the palace of David?

The story doesn't make sense sir!

AbuTwins:
Show us exactly where two persons stated their case in the verse?

I am even more concerned with the illogicality of the storyline.

The poor man must be exceptionally strong to carry the rich man over the fence to King David and none of his security details knew.

Can you explain how this feat was performed?





Did Allah say that the rich man said NOTHING!?
Checking this, only the poor man and David spoke less than a paragraph each.

AbuTwins:
The response is clear to the blind and you shouldn't blame me if you still don't get it. Blame your lacking in comprehension.

Two people came for judgement but only one stated his case while the other was neglected and wasn't given a chance to talk!

Where is the judge's listening ear to the other party before judgement?

Please open your eyes and brain!
This is logical enough!

1. The Qur'an never stated that only one person stated his case.

AbuTwins:
When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance. [Saad 38:24 interpretation of the meaning].

Sin stated above!

Is this not a damage control strategy.

Let's assume that you are correct, are you saying that according to Allah, the rich man is actually on the right path?
You have some explanation to do for the Qur'an is clear. The rich man prevailed to take only ewe lamb of his fellow.

AbuTwins:
The story from the Qur'an is unrelated to that of the Bible. Prophet Dawuud didn't commit covetousness, murder and adultery in Islam. He is simply a judge and Allah tests him with that judgement between the two litigants!
The comprehension problem is from you who is trying so hard on a faultfinding trip into the Qur'an!

Really!

How do you know that the story is unrelated to that in the Bible?
Show me just one evidence from either Mohammed or Allah where it says they aren't related stories.

AbuTwins:
Prophets in Islam are guided from major sins and will never commit such major sins as described in the Bible!

Noah was drinking heavily till he became naked!
Lot slept with his two daughters after they got him drunk!
David covet Bethsheba so he sent Uriah to be killed and then married her!

And these are the ancestors of Jesus your God who didn't inherit the sins we inherit!

Abeg stop my mentions in your folly!

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?

If these are not major sins unbecoming for a prophet, what else is a major sin?!