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Christianity EtcRe: Jesus' First Miracle: Water Into Wine Or Peter Catching Many Fishes? by TenQ: 11:24am On Oct 15, 2023
hisexcellency34:
What was the first miracle Jesus performed? Was it the turning of water into wine at the wedding in Cana or Peter toiling all night without any catching any fish and Jesus performed a net breaking miracle of fishes? After the miracle, Jesus told Peter "Follow me" and he did
Excellent Question :
1. The first miracle Jesus did was not mentioned in the Bible, the but it seems Mary had seen enough Miracles to know that this her Son Jesus could create solutions to any problem.

2. The first Miracle Jesus did in Cana was the first public miracle He made in Cana of Galili

John 2:11:
"This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him."


This was NOT the first public miracle of Jesus.
Why?
Because Jesus Already had CHOSEN His disciples and thus came to the wedding with them!

John 2:2-5:
"And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus said to him, They have no wine. Jesus said to her, Woman, what have I to do with you? my hour is not yet come. His mother said to the servants, Whatever he said to you, do it."


3. The miracle of the fishes was earlier than that of the miracle of the wine at Cana.
Why?
Jesus had not yet chosen His disciples at that time and He was still in the process of choosing His disciples.
Luk 5:5-6,8,10-11:
"And Simon answering said to him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at your word I will let down the net. And when they had this done, they enclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net broke. … When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord. … And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, Fear not; from now on you shall catch men. And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook all, and followed him."
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 10:58am On Oct 15, 2023
FxMasterz:
They don't care about the truth. They only care about mohammed.
I have asked them repeatedly :
How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?


A wise man once said:

A Muslim is one who says and live by the mantra :
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 10:52am On Oct 15, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Interesting turn of events perharps on a later reflection to have the 3 days and 3 nights theory fit.

There are several reasons why Jesus was crucified on Friday, all of which are widely supported by historical evidence and biblical accounts. Firstly, Friday was considered the day of preparation for the Jewish Sabbath, which would begin at sundown. According to the Gospels, Jesus was crucified just before the Sabbath, making Friday the most likely day for his crucifixion. This is supported by the fact that there was a rush to take down Jesus' body from the cross and bury him properly before the Sabbath began, as Jewish law strictly forbade leaving bodies hanging on the Sabbath day.

Moreover, multiple New Testament accounts provide confirmation that Jesus was crucified on a Friday. For instance, Mark 15:42 states that Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath, which corresponds to Friday. Similarly, John 19:31 mentions that the day of Jesus' crucifixion was "a high day," meaning it was a special Sabbath, aligning with the fact that his crucifixion was on a Friday preceding the Jewish Passover.

Additionally, historical records outside of the Bible attest to the crucifixion of Jesus on a Friday. The Roman historian Tacitus, for example, mentioned that Jesus was executed by Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Although Tacitus does not mention the specific day, his account aligns with the time frame suggested by the biblical narrative, reinforcing the likelihood of Friday being the day of Jesus' crucifixion.

Gotquestions.org states: While the day of the crucifixion is debated, the day of the resurrection is absolutely clear:

For centuries, Good Friday has been widely accepted as the day on which Jesus Christ was crucified. Perharps you now fault this without the global change or acceptance to support this? Good Friday, observed by Christians worldwide, is commemorated as the day of Jesus Christ's crucifixion, followed by his resurrection on Easter Sunday. This tradition has been deeply rooted in Christian doctrine.

The Gospels provide significant scriptural evidence pointing towards the crucifixion taking place on a Friday. According to Matthew 27:62, Jesus was placed in the tomb shortly before the Sabbath. Additionally, Mark 15:42 states that Jesus was cruciformed on "Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath." Finally, Luke 23:54 further elucidates this concept, confirming that "it was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin."

During Jesus' time, the Pharisees scrupulously observed the Law of Moses. Crucial to their religious practices was the weekly Sabbath, which commenced on Friday evening and ended on Saturday evening. The Pharisees would not have permitted Jesus' body to remain on the cross during the Sabbath, as they were fastidious about avoiding defilement during this holy period. Therefore, crucifying Jesus on a Thursday or Wednesday, with the subsequent Sabbath following, would have contradicted their established customs. Instead, the Pharisees might have expedited the crucifixion procedure to ensure Jesus' body was removed and buried before the onset of Friday's Sabbath.

True to your nature Tenq you opened another thread in attempt to slander as this question touches too close to what you are comfortable with.
Since it looks like you didn't read ANYTHING from what I posted, I want to ask you some basic questions that would clarify that you understood my writeup.
1. Is Saturday the only sabbath in israel
2. Did any of the gospels say Jesus was crucified on Friday



Ohyoudidnt:
Also, one commonly misunderstood aspect is the mechanism of asphyxiation. It is often believed that the person being crucified dies due to the inability to breathe properly. While this is indeed a contributing factor, recent medical analysis suggests that asphyxiation alone is not the primary cause of death. The positioning of the human body on the cross causes the chest to be constrained, limiting the expansion of the lungs. This reduces lung capacity and leads to shallow breathing, which can hinder proper oxygen supply. However, the body has natural adaptations that can counteract this limitation.

A person reported to be strong enough to undergo 40 days and 40 nights consecutive fast isn't strong enough to outlive the thieves crucified beside him?

Back to where we were. You sure are not aware of the fabrication of hadith that characterised the ummayad dynasty hence your over reliance on this rather than the revealed and preserved scripture; the Furqan.
It however is irrelevant your stance on this as Allah guides whom he wants to be guided regardless of your tantrums perharps from your disappoint and envy of where true muslims are.
1. Are you saying authoritatively that those crucified do not die from asphyxiation?
Then what is the primary cause of death to the crucified knowing that not all of them were nailed to the cross but tied with ropes.
2. Can you explain why sometimes the legs of the crucified were broken?


The above will clarify if you are arguing for argument sake or you are doing an intelligent rebuttal!





THIS IS CRUCIAL: Please respond clearly to the Questions below
Let us for the sake of argument agree that Jesus was not crucified on the cross

1. Was it Allah that caused the delusion of the Jews and Romans to think that they are crucifying Jesus?
2. If the above is true, Is Allah a Just God by allowing a different person to be crucified in place of Christ Jesus?
3. Who was the replacement on the cross?
4. We can understand if Allah the Al-Makir decieved both the Jews and the Romans. Why did Allah decieve Mary the mother of Jesus, Mohammed the disciples of Jesus and all the followers of Jesus?
5. The Christians say that Jesus was taken to heaven in their presence After His resurrection. According to Islam, can who else was aware of the going to heaven of Jesus?
Christianity EtcRe: Fr Paul Obayi "Okunerere" Announces He Is Leaving The Catholic Church by TenQ: 10:30am On Oct 15, 2023
CoronaVirusPro:
He is welcomed to Islam! The only true religion!

Being the fastest growing religion in the world is not by mistake. People are digesting the Quran and finding out the truth.
Says the moderate Muslim.

Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 10:23am On Oct 15, 2023
FxMasterz:
They can't answer the questions.

They'll pretend as though they're deliberately ignoring the posts as one rolams has said up there, but it isn't so. If you make any post they think they can defend, you would see them flexing their muscles. They've scoured the net for answers to this post, they couldn't find anything, hence, their silence. Or how would anyone defend the copycat proofs presented here without sounding foolish?

Rather than re-examine the lies that are being exposed, their priority is to defend a false prophet who calls himself mohammed.
Do they want to know the truth that will lead them to their salvation?

It seems not. They think that they can earn their way to the paradise of God with nodding their heads on the ground five times daily even though Allah guarantees them hell fire as a Decree from him.

You are right, when a case is indefensible, they they feign ignorance by feigning blind, deaf and dumb at the same time.

God and his Prophets CANNOT make the kind of mistakes and errors we see Islam
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 7:42am On Oct 15, 2023
As we know, I the questions have remained unanswered till now


Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?

2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?

3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?

4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:38pm On Oct 14, 2023
advocatejare:
They are copy copy na. Everything about them was copied from others: 5 daily prayers, Ramadan fasting etc
Islam is a religion created to mimic Judaism, Christianity, Sabian religion and Islamic Idolatory for the Arabs which succeeded and became a political and economic tool I have the hand of a few impossed upon many.

The main objective is to undermine the Messiah so that a false hope is instituted as a replacement for the true Salvation.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:34pm On Oct 14, 2023
rolams:
Don't waste your time responding to his message.
So that he would not ask the questions that will open his eyes to the truth of having his eternity with the God of Heaven!?

Prove 16:25
There is a way that seems right to a man, BUT the but the end is destruction


I invite you to the Messiah for your salvation.

God CANNOT make the kind of mistakes and errors we see Islam
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:27pm On Oct 14, 2023
Hello my friend,
I will NEVER be guilty of watching you go to Hell by my silence. Even if you choose not to read or respond, that would be your personal CHOICE and FREEWILL!
I am bound to speak the truth to you!


The Quran is a Hadith:
It seems you don't know that. The chain of narration came through Mohammed of what he claimed Jibril told him.
Please check the Isnad of your Qur'an by Hafs


rolams:
You don't know anything about what you are posting here. You go copy the post somewhere and paste here.

You should notice that we don't take you serious anymore.

We just leave you to paste your anyhow article. Keep mentioning me till the last hour, you won't see me say a word.
By now, all of you should have found where I do copy from only to paste here.

If you note my style,
I always POST my Evidences from your literatures UPFRONT, I then I ask questions.
Where have I been guilty in representing Islam.

*Why does Allah copy Jesus?
*Who said these words: Jesus or Allah?
*Who is copying who in this message?


Background Summary:
1. It is the day of Judgement
2. God is on the throne and judging the acts of men (sons of Adam) .
3. God says "I was sick but you didn't visit me!"
And the Unrighteous replied :
"You are the Lord of the World's: when did we see you sick but you didn't visit you? "
4. God says that He is the neighbour who these men did or did not give their help.
5. God says: If these men had helped their neighbours, they would have found out it was God they were helping


I am sure most Muslims have not heard this hadith before.

Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW


Sahih Muslim 2569
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me.


This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira

Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible.

Mat 25:31-46:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."


We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah.



Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?
2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?
3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?
4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.









Gossips and Falsehood!?

Here above are my references if you didn't read them. They are from your religious books o.


I ask you again :
How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 6:57pm On Oct 14, 2023
MightySparrow:
From all indications, it was recently fabricated to deceive their ummah to destruction.

Lielam at its best.
Exactly,
The bigger the lie, the bigger their chant of Allahu Akbar with their heads nodding like an agama lizards who just swallowed one of the black stone fragments.

Muslims can tell lies for Africa!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 5:34pm On Oct 14, 2023
MightySparrow:
It was implied in this lecture delivered by one sheikh.
https://www.nairaland.com/7871691/holy-land-righteous-servants-shall
A waster of time as usual.
The post hardly need any response as the Qur'an had to be twisted to fit a book of their interest.
I doubt if their exist a single hadith or Qur'an that support this view
Foreign AffairsRe: Next Stage Is Coming - Netanyahu Addresses Troops by TenQ: 5:19pm On Oct 14, 2023
PoliteActivist:
They're fighting tiny, tiny Gaza
The Hamas from the tiny Gaza decided to kill almost 1200 Israelis while they cheered them on.

Now, According Israel is bombing Hamas who has built structures under the residential buildings, I schools and hospitals of Gazans.

Israel is telling the Gazans, leave north Gaza for we are going to bomb the structures of Hamas.

Too many inocent people on both sides have died needlessly within the last ten days
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 5:09pm On Oct 14, 2023
MightySparrow:
Angel Jubril of Sudan.
The same angel told Mohammed that the land of Israel will be given to Palestinians against the prophecies of Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zephaniah, Michal, zechariah, and Jesus. Those people believe such lies to their own peril. Israel will wipe HAMAS out. If care is not taken, Palestinians will be homeless.
Is there any hadith to this effect or as usual they have manufactured a new prophecy?
CrimeRe: 51 People Arrested In Abuja For Raising False Alarm Over 'Missing Private Parts’ by TenQ: 3:04pm On Oct 14, 2023
chiefolododo:
What if the manhoods were actually stolen? And the thieves quickly returned them? This is a spiritual matter .

I hope that the thieves have not settled the ogas
No sir!

Just think!

1. If I am a Criminal and I have the power to steal anyone's private part, then I have the power to steal any organ of a person's body.
2. The best place to steal people's organs is with the rich and powerful.
Imagine stealing David's Gbola: how much do you think he would pay for it's retrieval?
3. If I steal the eyes of a surgeon, I do you know how much he would pay to get it back?
4. Even if it not for money, I all my enemies are in trouble..


It is all a lie to steal the properties of the victim and blackmail them to settle them.

Do you notice that NOT ONCE have you seen the FLAT surface where the penis is removed I have ANY picture or Video
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 1:51pm On Oct 14, 2023
SIRTee15:
I have challenged Muslims multiple times on this forum to prove to me Christians follow Paul or Paul changed the law.
They can't, once u challenge them with evidence, they disappear.
All they know is claim, not one single evidence.
A wise man once said:

A Muslim is one who says and live by the mantra :
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 1:17pm On Oct 14, 2023
SIRTee15:
All early Christians- those that knew Jesus or met the apostles believed in the crucifixion and ressurection of Jesus Christ.
The early Jewish Christians confirmed it, the apostolic fathers believed it.

All non biblical historical evidence of Jesus Christ focused on is death.

Tallus in 50 AD wrote about the darkness and earthquake that happened on the eve of Passover referencing the day Christ was killed.

Josephus the Jewish historian in his book antiquities of the Jews confirmed Christ was crucified.

Pliny and Seutonius, both Roman historians wrote that Christ was justly killed and the sect he formed called Christians were nuisance who were expelled by Claudius in 40 AD.

Tacitus a Roman senator in 115 AD wrote that Jesus Christ was crucified on the order of Pontus Pilate.

Mara bar saparion, a stoic philosopher in 70 AD wrote from prison to his son claiming he's innocent and will be killed just like the Jewish killed their Messiah.
The Jewish Talmud confirmed Jesus was justly crucified because he was a sorcerer n a magician.

Your reference to Paul's letter is a distortion of fact.

In Galatian 3, Paul was emphasising that Christ death would come to nothing if they insist on works and circumcisions as a way to obtain righteousness. It has nothing to do with some having doubt about death of Jesus.

The letters of Ignatius who some referred to as pseudepigrapha was written in the 2nd century warming against heresy amongst some sects who had developed legend stories and myths about Jesus.

Some of this legend stories that emanated in 2nd century include Jesus talking at birth, Jesus cursing a boy at age 12 yrs, Jesus didn't die but rescued by God and taken directly to heaven.

I guess we all know where Muhammed got his stories from.
You could have just asked him if Mathew, I Mark, Luke Like and John were written by Paul. John in Revelation 11:8 was by Paul or Heb 12:2 was written by Paul. Peter in Acts 2:36 was written by Paul or Hebrew 2:9 was written by Paul or in 1Peter 1:3!, I 1 Peter 3:21?

The Muslims think Paul invented Christianity like Mohammed invented Islam !
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 11:48am On Oct 14, 2023
*Why does Allah copy Jesus?
*Who said these words: Jesus or Allah?
*Who is copying who in this message?


Background Summary:
1. It is the day of Judgement
2. God is on the throne and judging the acts of men (sons of Adam) .
3. God says "I was sick but you didn't visit me!"
And the Unrighteous replied :
"You are the Lord of the World's: when did we see you sick but you didn't visit you? "
4. God says that He is the neighbour who these men did or did not give their help.
5. God says: If these men had helped their neighbours, they would have found out it was God they were helping


I am sure most Muslims have not heard this hadith before.

Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW


Sahih Muslim 2569
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me.


This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira

Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible.

Mat 25:31-46:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."


We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah.



Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?
2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?
3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?
4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.








AbuTwins:
I have warned you many times to stop my mentions in this your gossips and falsehood!

Soon you'll be banned and move to your other moniker!

Lairs!
Gossips and Falsehood!?

Here above are my references if you didn't read them. They are from your religious books o.


I ask you again :
How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 11:38am On Oct 14, 2023
Qasim6:
Be kind to point out where I say Ya Huwa is part of Allah's name.
It started with this my claims you refuted with
Qasim6:
You are still not using the Brain God give you.
The same God that sent Jesus to Israelites is the same God that sent Muhammad to all mankind. Their message should be more or less the same

If hadith qudsi is telling us those are going to be words of Allah on judgement day, and Matthew or whosoever that forged that book is telling us is going to be words of Jesus. That's where you draw a line to their forgeries. You get it now??
I responded with a disclaimer
TenQ:
1. No sir!
It is not the same God who sent Jesus and Mohammed.
Proof:
The Name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Isaac and Jacob is YHWH - Yahweh . Jesus's name actually means "Yahweh Saves"!
The name of the God of Mohammed is Allah

Is the name of the God of the Muslims YHWH?
No!

Sorry, Mohammed is the impostor!
....
You responded with

Qasim6:
You guys are reading too much into this Yahweh which is just same as Ya huwa (oh he) in Arabic.

Last I check, Elah is the Aramaic word for God.
...
I then gave you a challenge

TenQ:
Muslims with Taqqiya!

Let's assume that you are correct!

1. Is it TRUE that Allah has 99 names?
2. I challenge you to show me which of the 99 names of Allah is "Ya Huwa" ?

You can tell lies to people who are ignorant of Islam.
You responded with

Qasim6:
Lol
no be only Taqqiya
When we are saying 99 names of Allah, it doesn't mean Allah is restricted to 99 names. Allah did not say anywhere I only have 99 names. Those are just the names we are able to collect from the Qur'an.

For example in Quran 112 vs 1 he says

Qul huwallahu ahad

Say He, Allah is one.

And Ya is just a suffix to address someone.
Again I said:
TenQ:
Show me a Tafsir or a Hadith that agree with you except you are manufacturing conjectures as usual.

That was how someone said Hallelujah is Allah Akbar and some of you people will believe it.

Show me the compilations of the name of your God Allah that has "Ya Huwa".

So, what is the meaning of the names
1. Yakub
2. Zacharyah
3. Yahaya
So, my friend!

Are you backtracking your claim that Yahweh and Allah is the same God?

Are you backtracking your claim that Yahweh is Ya Huwa and the name is the name of the same God Allah?


This is why I prefer to debate Muslims with texts rather than with words because they can say something and deny it the next minute.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:35am On Oct 14, 2023
MightySparrow:
Allah itself is a bad copy of the original Go





Allah itself is a bad copy of the original God. grin
Islam is an example of brainwashing.

When a Falsehood is repeated almost daily and consistently, I the lie seem to look like the truth. Even though the behavior of Mohammed is worse than that of a typical contemporary Muslim, Book they still believe that one certain angel Jibril came to him and gave him the Qur'an.

On this Falsehood every other lie they promote is based
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:32am On Oct 14, 2023
What if I tell you that the name Allah is not a big deal?

Ellah mean DEITY: and any Deity can be called Allah!

Qasim6:
No, I'm not a prophet. Muhammad is the seal of prophethood

Islam is a religion of common sense, it is not a religion where every Tom, dick and Harry claim one evil ghost revealed something to them.

Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic are all Semitic language and they share same root.

What I pointed out to you is that you guys are making a big deal out of the name Yahweh.
A name there is no record of Jesus using, but Ellah that there is record of him using is of no significant to you.
And all I am asking for is the proof, I reference or authority for your conjecture.

Talk is cheep sir.

Is Hallelujah the same in meaning to Alahuakbar? Some people will claim it is.

I asked you a simple question from the manes in your Quran which you shouldn't have any problem answering as Arabic and Hebrew are semitic languages.

So, what is the meaning of the names from your Qur'an
1. Yakub
2. Zacharyah
3. Yahaya

Are you saying by Allah that you worship Yahweh?

Can anyone invent new names for Allah in Islam?

Show us evidence from your early scholars that Ya Huwa is the name of Allah?



Very simple questions!
Talk is cheep o!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 7:47am On Oct 14, 2023
FxMasterz:
That's why they all run away. Even legalwolf, the 'professor of samaritanism' has given himself some space. Antichristian is frantically searching the net to find new blogs as sources for counter threads since his formerly regurgitated topics are now stale.

In all these, they don't ever look inwards and examine what they are worshipping. After each stunning exposure to which they have no answer, still in their confused state, they'll enter the next available mosque to continue worshipping a lie. Meanwhile, they're forbidden to ask questions. After a while, they'll rationalize and say "Allah knows best", and then continue in their self deceit. The 'Best of Deceivers' has control of their minds. He never allows them to reason out of captivity into liberty. It takes the miraculous work of the Holy Spirit for a Muslim to be saved. People like Speaklove, a former Muslim can bear me witness.
LegalWolf has come to his senses as the cool weather in UK has allowed his brain to see the indefensiblilty of the Islamic position. He knows now that Islam is like an attempt the fetch water with a basket.

As for AntiChristian, it seems that he has exhausted his copy-paste writeup from his favourite impostor pastor Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman.

The post here is glaring.

How come the Almighty Allah is copying the original Sayings of Jesus said almost 700 years before Islam. Who is copying who?

The others are silently chanting la illah illah to drown out reasons from their head
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 7:08am On Oct 14, 2023
FxMasterz:
Okay bro. Don't forget to add him to your mentions.
I have done so.

It is difficult to defend Islam factually because it is a religion based on cascades of lies all aimed at getting people away from the Messiah!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 7:01am On Oct 14, 2023
FxMasterz:
You must have come across him. You probably didn't notice his monika. Once you check out his posts, you would remember him. He often creates funny and offpoints topics.

Wishing you a blissful night too.
I checked his profile. I He doesn't seem to post much original posts. I This is probably why I don't know him.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 6:59am On Oct 14, 2023
SIRTee15:
Mention the sect and provide evidence they exist.
Don't mind him. he There were two heretical sects 200-250 yeas after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that claimed that Jesus was a spirit being and thus couldn't die and someone else probably Simon was crucified.
These was probably where Mohammed copied his story of Jesus's crucifixion.
Docetists and Basilidains are the sects
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 10:02pm On Oct 13, 2023
FxMasterz:
You're correct.

Why you no dey copy truthday? He is so ignorant that even his antichristian posts don't make any sense to his fellow muslims.
I have probably never come across him. I normally copy Muslims who have engaged me on religion. I will check out his posts.


Have a good night rest
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:03pm On Oct 13, 2023
*Why does Allah copy Jesus?
*Who said these words: Jesus or Allah?
*Who is copying who in this message?


Background Summary:
1. It is the day of Judgement
2. God is on the throne and judging the acts of men (sons of Adam) .
3. God says "I was sick but you didn't visit me!"
And the Unrighteous replied :
"You are the Lord of the World's: when did we see you sick but you didn't visit you? "
4. God says that He is the neighbour who these men did or did not give their help.
5. God says: If these men had helped their neighbours, they would have found out it was God they were helping


I am sure most Muslims have not heard this hadith before.

Here is the narration from Allah according to Mohammed SAW


Sahih Muslim 2569
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
Verily, Allah , the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me.


This hadith above is repeated with slightly different wordings in
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira

Here is Jesus saying a more detailed version of the narration in the Bible.

Mat 25:31-46:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and you gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you? Then shall he answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."


We can see that these storylines are very similar to each other. The narrators are Jesus and Allah.



Questions :
1. Who else do you know in history to have given a similar Narrative like this: apart from Jesus?
2. Who can we say is copying who with these narratives?
3. Why is it that Jesus is claiming that which only God can do as per judgment of mankind?
4. Is Jesus the Allah Muslims do not know?
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.





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Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 9:02pm On Oct 13, 2023
FxMasterz:
Why can't they see? The deception is too obvious.
It is obvious but deep. Islam is a demonic bondage, this is why they behave alike thinking they serve God.

The Al-Makir has decieved them through Mohammed the greatest 419 in history of mankind
Foreign AffairsRe: Israel Tells Gaza Hospital To Evacuate Staff And Patients Within 2 Hrs - MSF by TenQ: 8:58pm On Oct 13, 2023
adecz:
lipsrsealed


The Israelis treat Palestinians like
subhumans that have no rights..

How do you just tell hospital staff to
leave the hospital and carry patients with
them.

To where❓❓❓😡😡😡
It seems Hamas has one of their headquarters under the Hospital. Israel want to bomb the hospital hence the directive for the hospital staff to evacuate the building.

I wish Hamas had not first attack Israel. They have given Israel the right to take drastic actions against them.

A two state solution would have worked but Hamas rejected it. They want Israel back to Europe...
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:34pm On Oct 13, 2023
FxMasterz:
Antichristian once told me explicitly that he'll be anticipating his share of sexual enjoyment in paradise. How can anyone even think of paradise as a place of sexual enjoyment?
Islam is a religion of this earth. They have enticed people with the sensuality and booze.
Only satan tempts people with sex, Booze, alcohol and debauchery! Allah succeeded with this.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:32pm On Oct 13, 2023
ANTIlSLAM:
Don't mind them, brainwashed people.. They will utter what they can't defend
Why satan has blinded them to this depth is a mystery!

Until they are at the gate of hell, they would be dreaming of the sex orgy awaiting the in Jannah
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:29pm On Oct 13, 2023
Qasim6:
For real

You need Tafsir for meaning of Huwa or Ya?

Have shown you example of Allah using third person singular pronoun for himself (Huwa), and Ya is just a suffix.
Meaning that you are making a conjecture.

If Allah's name is Ya Huwa, Mohammed should have known about it. Or, are you also a prophet of Islam?

Which of your scholars agree with you
Ibn Abbas, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Majah etc?

Are you saying by Allah that you worship Yahweh?

Can anyone invent names for Allah?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by TenQ(op): 8:26pm On Oct 13, 2023
Qasim6:
For real

You need Tafsir for meaning of Huwa or Ya?

Have shown you example of Allah using third person singular pronoun for himself (Huwa), and Ya is just a suffix.
Meaning that you are making a conjecture.

If Allah's name is Ya Huwa, Mohammed should have known about it. Or, are you also a prophet of Islam?

Can anyone invent names for Allah?

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