Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 5:35pm On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: 1. Don't go with the slanderous claims. Aisha mabpwh was definitely a teenager when their marriage took place and was consumated. Do research on what her likely real age was.
2. Lusting after the wife of his adopted son? You even fail to research Zaynab mabpwh dislike of the union from the very start.
3. Reality is that he already had more than 4 wives before the revelation limiting the number to four came about. What were the reasons for these marriages?
4. He didn't allow prostitution and did his best to abolish the act from the time of ignorance. Did you ever hear that prostitution is the oldest known profession? The best example the Qur'an mankind is one who will JUSTIFY his sin! This is the bottom line! 1. Aisha herself said your prophet married her at the age of six or seven and consummated the marriage at 9 years. A nine year old girl is a teenager! 2. Instead of settling the quarrel between Zaid and Zainab, his lusted after the fine girl and eventually married her 3. No wonder, Allah Allah said any believing woman can give herself for sex to your prophet. 4. Even Allah allowed prostitution in your Quran? Is it untrue that the Prophet of allah Mohammed allowed Mutah, then forbade it, but then allowed it later to forbid it? If you feel I speak that which is UNTRUE about your prophet, I dare you to challenge it and I will show you evidence for m Islam itself. The issue is that PRAYERS of Muslims will be SUBMITTED to Mohammed.
What will Mohammed do with the prayers? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 2:56pm On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: It is important to understand that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a human being, chosen by Allah as a guide and example for humanity. Mohammed as best example for mankind? 1. Is it by having sex with pre- pubescent girls!? 2. Is it by lusting after the wife of his adopted son!? 3. Is it by creating exceptions to the rules of Islam by having more than four wives!? 4. Is it by allowing prostitution!? Ohyoudidnt: Muslims do not worship or consider him divine but rather hold immense respect and love for him. The act of offering prayers for the Prophet does not place him at the level of divinity or assign him the ability to answer prayers, but rather serves as a way for Muslims to express their devotion and seek blessings from Allah through their love and connection to His final messenger.
Sunan Abi Dawud 1047 mentions a particular prayer offered by a companion in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It is crucial to recognize that while the prayer was presented to the Prophet, it does not imply that he has the power to answer prayers or fulfill requests. The Prophet Muhammad himself emphasized that he did not possess the power to benefit or harm individuals. In the Quran, Allah states, "Say, 'O Muhammad, I have no power to bring good or harm to myself except as Allah wills'" (7:188).
The purpose of offering prayers for the Prophet is to show reverence and seek blessings from the Almighty. Muslims believe that the Prophet holds a special place in the sight of Allah, and by offering prayers for him, they hope to gain closeness to Allah and seek His mercy. These prayers are a way to express love and respect for the Prophet, in accordance with his teachings and the examples he set.
Muslims worship only Allah, the one true God. We do not worship Prophet Muhammad; just revere, respect, and love him above all other human beings. And we send blessings upon the Prophet as an act of worship, which has been commanded by and pleases, Allah. These blessings enable Allah’s mercy to descend upon the Prophet’s soul. It also benefits the Muslim who sends these blessings. In that they are rewarded, their sins are forgiven, and they receive Allah’s mercy. The issue is that PRAYERS of Muslims will be SUBMITTED to Mohammed. What will Mohammed do with the prayers? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 2:47pm On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: I find that there is also Titus who wasn't circumcised. Does this then mean some acts of worship apply to some people that believe in your God and not to others? Why the obvious and deliberate segregation? Is this not a religious case of racism? Only Jews are to partake of the covenant of Abraham!
Why then is Abraham called the father of nations? If for some reason you are not circumcised on the 8th day does this then eliminate a need for it? Abraham was not 8 days when he was circumcised.
You ignored the question of raped jewish women or girls who got pregnant as a result of rape. How are their children 's lineage established? What did the bible say about raped Jewish women? I don't know! Ishmael was circumcised by Abraham! Was your prophet Mohammed circumcised? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 11:50am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Is the second part of the Tashahhud contrary to the hadiths Sunan Abi Dawud 1047? Ohyoudidnt: Pray to or pray for as well as themselves? Is the prayer directed to him or the one that created him, muslims and all that exists? The prayer is divided into FOUR sections The Tashahhud (Translated) can be divided into four parts 1. Prayer to Allah "Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). " 2. Prayer to Mohammed Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you). 3. Declaration of Hope to the Muslim Ummah Peace be upon us, and upon the righteous servants of Allah. 4. The Shahada: Statement of Faith I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger."My emphasis is on Part 2 of the Tashahhud Just as in Part One, the recipient of the Prayer is Allah, in Part Two, the recipient of the Prayer is Mohammed. (O Mohammed! ) This assumes that Mohammed is ALIVE and can hear the Prayers of the Muslims. Peace be upon you, O Prophet! In case you are wondering if Mohammed can accept prayers of Muslims, guess what here is a Hadith that proves it. Sunan Abi Dawud 1047Narrated Aws ibn Aws: The Prophet said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.Just as the Prayers of Muslims would be submitted to Allah, the Prayers of Muslims will also be submitted to Mohammed!
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 11:35am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: It is said to Allah Meaning that Allah is Mohammed Peace be upon you Allah, O Prophet Rahman , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you).Respectfully, Sir you are BIG FAT LIAR! "Peace be upon YOU" ! Who is the YOU? "O Prophet"! Who is the prophet? Is it Allah? The question was simple and directIs this phrase of the Tashahhud said to Mohammed or Allah? "Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)."You needn't tell lies to protect Allah or his prophet Muhammad sir. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 11:29am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: How were the offspring of raped jewish women who didn't know their rapist treated? I will appreciate you explaining. TIM16:1 He also came to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple named Timothy was there, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but whose father was a Greek Timothy was treated as a Greek as he had a Greek father even though his mother was a Jew. Therefore, Timothy was not circumcised as a baby on the eight day as required by the Law of Moses for Jews. Gen 17:12: "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of your seed."Because Paul and Timothy were going to the temple in Jerusalem, Paul compelled the ADULT Timothy to be circumcised (because of the Jews) Acts 16:1-3: "Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brothers that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."You may need to explain why Timothy was not circumcised on the eight day if he was seen as a Jew. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 11:19am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: May Allah be merciful unto you. It is in order to say appears to be as you have agreed different people wrote the bible and we cannot be absolutely sure of their motives and meanings.
“… we may follow the opinion of other scholars who maintained that Jacob (Joseph’s father) had died young and that Joseph became a quasi-adopted son of Heli/Joachim through his marriage to the Virgin – for this reason, then, Joseph is called son of Heli.
https://sanctanomina.net/2015/09/17/marys-genealogy-and-joachim-and-eli/ Is David the king of Israel a descendant of Aaron? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 11:05am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: And the point is? The first part establishes that prayers are due to Allah. Followed by a salutation of peace to the prophet then ourselves and other muslums. Ending with the testimony of faith stating belief in Allah and the prophet Muhammad s.a.w who was sent with the message of Allah. All compliments, prayers and pure words are due to Allah. Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and upon the righteous slaves of Allah. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger) Is this phrase of the Tashahhud said to Mohammed or Allah? "Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)." |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:57am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: There is no mix up. The Mary is a daughter of a an exalted person Joachim and the Mother of Jesus.
There appears to be a referrence to Heli in your Bible another name for Joachim however the Bible isn't explicit about the parents of Mary Conjectures of "appears to be" does not solve the problem of the ignorance of Allah and His prophet Muhammad! Since Allah knows that Miriam and Mary are different : and that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah. Why did he not say Mary is the daughter of David or Judah which would have made some sense! How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:53am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: I quoted from your bible in respect to your request to show a scriptural proof of matrileneal succession lines. In any case Jesus did not have a human father, would it not then be a scriptural lie to claim a lineage from a father who is not his. Islam however differs from Christianity in that Mary was never married. This was because he had no human father! And the Messiah was supposed to come from the line of David(Judah). This was why Matthew used the traditional lineage line through Joseph to David while Luke used the lineage of Mary also through David. Do you know any other human being in this category who has no father but has a mother? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:51am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Yes, however note that Allah chose Adam and Noah and the descendants of Abraham and of ‘Imran above all mankind. Your lack of understanding of History is appalling sir. 1. All present day humans are descendants of Adam 2. All present day humans are descendants of Noah 3. All Jews are descendants of Abraham 4. Imran is just one person from the Tribe of Levi and the father of Moses, Aaron Aaron and Miriam. 5. Levites are the Priestly tribe such that Zachariah as a Levites is a priest but not necessarily a descendant of Amram. 6. The high priest must come from the descendant of Aaron (not even Amram) as the descendants of Moses are not eligible for the office. It seems that Allah and his prophet didn't realizeIf God chose Abraham descendant it involves the JewsThe Descendants of Amram are also Jews . If it is true that Allah chosen the Jews Above all mankind's? Why does Allah now want to exterminate the same Jews? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:31am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Following the first exile, it is apparent that the status of mothers began to play a significant role in determining the national/ethnic identity of their children. Lets consider the narration of the expulsion in Ezra 9.1–10.4, which recounts the removal of foreign women and their children, thereby apparently linking the status of children with their mothers. Then the Shechemite narrative in Jub. 30.1–26 and considers the incorporation of Molech language in the prohibition against intermarriage.
Can you consider that the association between intermarriage and idolatry may be rooted in the presumption that Dinah's progeny would be Jewish, yet raised as idolaters. Also the author of Luke-Acts portrays Timothy as Jewish (Acts 16.1–3) in light of his mother's status and thus was required to undergo circumcision. Timothy came from a mixed racial background, in which his mother was Jewish and his father was Greek. His familiarity with the Jewish and Greco-Roman cultures made him an ideal protégé of Paul; and, In later years, Timothy served as Paul’s emissary at various locales, where the apostle had established churches on his missionary journeys.
Considering Jewish history characterized by persecution and diaspora, determining Jewish identity through the mother ensured that Jewish heritage and traditions would be preserved and passed on to future generations.
According to rabbinic law, from the second century to the present, the offspring of a gentile mother and a Jewish father is a gentile, while the offspring of a Jewish mother and a gentile father is a Jew (albeit, according to the Mishnah, a mamzer, a Jew of impaired status). Such societies once existed in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, and can still be found in parts of Africa, India, and Polynesia.
Judges 5:7, which states, The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be until I, Deborah, arose; arose a mother in Israel." Deborah was a prophetess and a judge in ancient Israel. Her leadership role and authority in guiding the nation can be seen as an example of how women can play a significant role in matters of governance and succession.
In the New Testament, in the book of Luke 1:32-33, an angel announces to Mary, "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end." This scripture can be seen as an indication that Jesus' inheritance and authority are derived from his maternal lineage, as he is said to be a descendant of David through his mother Mary You just confirmed again that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah therefore she can't be from the Tribe of Levi! Case closed! How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 9:15am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Pray to or pray for as well as themselves? Is the prayer directed to him or the one that created him, muslims and all that exists? 1. Is it untrue that the first part of the Tashahhud is directed to Allah? "Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "2. Is it untrue that the second part of tha Tashahhud is directed at Mohammed?"Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)." Note :Did you read the phrase "O Prophet"!? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 9:07am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Don't be so closed up. If on her maternal side she is a descendant of Levi and paternal side she is a descendant of Judah then she has fulfilled this condition.
You are familiar with patrileneal and matrileneal succession? If not learn about it. Ancestry is NEVER determined matriarchaly by the Jews. Ancestry is ALWAYS determined patriarchaly by the Jew. I challenge you to prove me wrong with examples from the Jewish or even Arab culture. Is Mohammed from the clan of Banu Hashim or from the clan of Banu Zuhrah of the Quraish tribe? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 8:59am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Of course you stopped short of going to their common ancestor, Abraham; who is a father to both Isaac and Ishmael. Anyway: Then Mary is a daughter to Abraham or Isaac or Jacob or Levi. Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. Mary can only be descendant of only one of these 12 tribes and it is Judah (certainly not Levi). |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 8:55am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: A fourth cousin is someone who shares a set of great-great-great-grandparents with you. Essentially, they are the descendants of a sibling of your great-great-grandparents. Any number of cousins is an example of how many generations you are away from your common ancestor. Ohyoudidnt: Biblical name Amram: עַמְרָם Meaning: Kindred of the High; i.e., "friend of Jehovah.
Definition of Amram: an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn"
(Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amram.php4)
Also:
“Amram
Probably from “am” and “ruwm”; high people*; Amram, the name of two Israelites – Amram
The name "Joachim" is related to the Hebrew name "Yehoyakim" (יְהוֹיָקִים), which means "the LORD raises up" or "the LORD establishes." The Greek form "Ioakeim" or "Joachim" has a similar meaning,
The Arabic name "'Imran" is not really even an Arabic name, but even though this is the case, the word is (according to various old dictionaries) said to literally mean "Build up", and “prosperity”, which literally is synonymous to “Exaltation” and “raising up” (which are all definitions of the Hebrew and Greek names Joachim and Yehoyakim), so this goes to show that ‘Imran is THE EXACT MEANING OF THE NAME USED IN THE BIBLE for “Joachim” and "Amram Basic lack of History by both Allah and his Mohammed : If Allah had called Mary the Daughter of David, it would have made some sense. Unfortunately, Allah and his Mohammed mixed up Mariam and Mary thinking that they are the same person. I hope you know that Mariam and Mary are the same in Arabic. Mariam (مريم): This is the Arabic name for Mary, the mother of Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran and used in Arabic-speaking Christian communities. It is the more common Arabic form of the name.
Mary (ماري): This is a variation of the name Mary in Arabic, often used in some regions or in transliterated forms of the name. How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus? Num 26:59: "And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt: and she bore unto Amram Aaron and Moses , and Miriam their sister." |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 8:40am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Rather you refuse to see what stands right before you. How many children did Aaron have? How many generations between Aaron and Mary or Elizabeth? There exists the truth of both of them being descendants of Amram.
Have you heard the British use the terms 3rd,4th .... cousin far removed? Is Mohammed a descendant of Ishaq? Is Mohammed a descendant of Yakub? Why or why not? Are they not supposed to be related through Abraham? Amram is of the Tribe of Levi Mary is of the Tribe of JudahThus Mary cannot be daughter to Imran. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 8:25am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Rather you are shying away from accepting the truth of ancestry of Mary traced back to Amram.
Don't you see that 7 Mary(s) exist in the new testament and likely more not mentioned in the Bible existed in the area.
Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Mary the mother of James and Joses, Mary of Cleophas, Mary the mother of John Mark, and Mary of Rome. If Mary is from Judah, how can she also be of the Tribe of Levi? Note : Ancestry is patriarchal with the Jews! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 8:09am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Many biblical words are ambiguous and some even obscure. The very first sentence in the Bible is obscure in Hebrew. English translations differ. The King James Bible, for instance, seems to understand that the creation of heaven and earth were the first divine creations: “In the beginning God created the Heaven, and the Earth.” The Schocken Bible and Bible commentator Rashi disagree: “At the beginning of God’s creating of the heaven and the earth (certain things were created).”
From Josephus, we know that Mariamne the High Priest’s daughter had two brothers named Joazar and Eleazar who were also High Priests. There are differing opinions on whether they were sons of Simon or brothers…but all three plus a brother-in-law, Matthias husband of another unnamed daughter, (Elizabeth…my theory) will be High Priest for a short time in the last days of Herod and the early reign of Archelaus.
Similarly, how should the Hebrew lechem be translated. It means both “bread” and the more inclusive “food.” Elohim means “mighty,” and “god” (an idol), and the “God.” So what were the bnei elohim in Genesis 6? Were they divine beings, perhaps angels, who cohabitated with human women, or mighty or more intelligent male humans, as the scholar Abraham ibn Ezra contends? How should ki be translated in Exodus 2:2, as “how (beautiful he was)” suggesting he was extremely beautiful, or the less emphatic, “that (he was beautiful).”
The law made provision for the intermarriage of the tribes (Numbers 36:6), and members of the tribes of Levi and Judah often intermarried. Elizabeth was of the tribe of Levi. In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth” (Luke 1:5).
Mary was of the tribe of Judah. “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27). If Mary was of Judah, it seems that Mary’s father would also be of Judah. Therefore, it is possible that Mary’s connection with Elizabeth was either through her mother or through Elizabeth’s mother.
Eleazar son of Boethus was the High Priest of Israel from 4 B.C. to a time before 6 A.D. “Lazarus” is the Greek form of the Hebrew Eleazar. Like Lazarus, Eleazar had two well-known sisters, Miriam and Martha. Baltz uses texts from the Talmud and Midrashim to argue that these are the same Mary and Martha that we find in the gospels. Since you yourself have assented to the fact that Mary is NOT from the Tribe of Levi Mary was of the tribe of Judah. “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27). If Mary was of Judah, it seems that Mary’s father would also be of Judah. Therefore, it is possible that Mary’s connection with Elizabeth was either through her mother or through Elizabeth’s motherNo one is disputing the relationship between Mary and Elisabeth: the bone of contention is that Mary belongs to an entirely different tribe from Aaron. All you need to do is to show examples of "Use of Jewish Language" where a non descendant of a person is ascribed as the father or mother of an individual as it doesn't exist sir. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 6:52am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: The term "sister" in these Semitic languages can possess broader connotations beyond the literal interpretation of biological sibling. It can also denote female relatives, such as cousins or even distant relatives within the same tribe or clan. Therefore, rather than suggesting a direct sibling relationship, the usage of "sister of Aaron" might instead emphasize Mary's ancestral connection to the priestly lineage of Aaron in ancient Israelite society. This further emphasizes her elevated position within the religious and societal norms of that era.
Another possibility is that the designation "sister of Aaron" was added to emphasize Mary's pious character and righteous nature. Individuals are often described using honorific titles that reflect their moral standing and devotion to God. Identifying Mary as a sister of Aaron illustrates her spiritual proximity to the revered figure of Aaron and positions her as an exemplary woman of faith. This reinforces the image of Mary as a devout follower of God's will and underscores her exceptional qualities as the chosen vessel for the incarnation of Jesus.
Words and phrases applied to persons to distinguish their noble birth, or their official or social rank and station, or as marks of acknowledgment of their learning and piety.
The king appointed a viceroy termed "mishneh"="second." Joseph was mishneh to Pharaoh, with the title "abrek" = "bow the knees", denoting the reverence due to his dignity; though according to the Talmud "ab-rek" is a compound word whose two elements signify respecttively "father" (in wisdom) and "young" (in years), the whole denoting "young father" in the sense of "Jupiter" = "Ju" + "pater". Pharaoh renamed Joseph "Zaphnath-paaneah"="the revealer of secrets."
The title "kohanim"= "priests," applied to all descendants of Aaron, and that of "Lewiyim"="Levites," to the rest of the tribe of Levi, carried with them privileges with regard to tithes and certain duties in connection with the administration of religious services in the Temple; thus the senior priest was called "kohen mashiaḥ" = "the anointed priest" or "kohen gadol" = "the high priest." The prophet ("nabi" bore also the titles "ro'eh" and "ḥozeh" = "seer" You still don't get it with all these speculations that Elizabeth and Mary were not siblings nor blood sisters: this would have made Mary a descendant of Aaron as Elizabeth was clearly a descendant of Aaron. The argument of them being relatives and not cousins is weak as it changes nothing. The terms relative or cousin actually weaken your position as cousins could be first, then second, third, fourth or fifth cousin AND relatives could span up to five or sex generations. Unfortunately, Mary is NOT a descendant of Aaron and thus could NOT be called daughter of Imran or sister of Aaron. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:28pm On Oct 06, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: Interesting, you are having a conversation with me but overreaching in generalizing.
You have stated the Bible is not explicit before however you can support your view by informing of Mary the mother of Jesus's ancestry from the Bible.
Well you should cross check that there are no records of intermarriage between the tribes of Judah and Levi before her. Are you distancing yourself from the Claims of Allah and His prophet Muhammad? Many times you Muslims assume we don't know what your prophet's real teaching is Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2135 Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse, ‘O sister of Aaron,’ (19:28) but Moses was born long before Jesus by many years. ” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said, “Verily, they used to name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had passed before them.”
This is applicable only to descendants: thus, Jesus can be called Son of David because, He is a descendant from king David. Jesus cannot be called son of Moses for he is not a descendant of Moses. If you object, find me a single example in the Bible. Using your prophet's argument, Is it correct to say that you Ohyoudidnt is a brother to Hamzah or Uthman or Ali or any of the Companions of Mohammed!? Can you see how lame the explanation for the error of both Allah and Mohammed is? Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr person Qur'an 19:28 Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.”
But Mary is NOT from the Tribe of either Moses, Isaiah Aaron or Miriam! Even then, Why not sister of Moses!? Isn't Moses more prominent than Aaron?
Unfortunately, the lies cannot be covered when they are plenty from the mouth of one who cannot keek his mouth shut. Guess the name of the Father of Moses, Aaron Miriam and Aaron : Imran (Amram) Exo 6:20: "And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses : and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."Guess the name of the Father of Mary : Imran!What a coincidence!Qur'an 3:35-36 "When the wife of 'Imran said, 'My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.' But when she delivered her, she said, 'My Lord, I have delivered a female.' And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, 'And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary , and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah].'" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 7:44pm On Oct 06, 2023 |
Muslims: Why do you Pray to Mohammed? Do Muslims even have an idea of Why they Pray To Mohammed! ? Five times a day, Muslims pray both to Mohammed and Allah. Yes, you got me right! Five times a day when Muslims pray they do the Tashahhud. The Tashahhud (Arabic: تَشَهُّد, meaning "testimony [of faith]" , also known as at-Tahiyyat (Arabic: ٱلتَّحِيَّات), is the portion of the Muslim prayer where the person kneels or sits on the ground facing the qibla, glorifies God, and greets the messenger and the righteous people of God followed by the two testimonials.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TashahhudThe Tashahhud (Translated) can be divided into four parts 1. Prayer to Allah "Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). " 2. Prayer to Mohammed Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you). 3. Declaration of Hope to the Muslim Ummah Peace be upon us, and upon the righteous servants of Allah. 4. The Shahada: Statement of Faith I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger."My emphasis is on Part 2 of the Tashahhud Just as in Part One, the recipient of the Prayer is Allah, in Part Two, the recipient of the Prayer is Mohammed. (O Mohammed! ) This assumes that Mohammed is ALIVE and can hear the Prayers of the Muslims. Peace be upon you, O Prophet! In case you are wondering if Mohammed can accept prayers of Muslims, guess what here is a Hadith that proves it. Sunan Abi Dawud 1047Narrated Aws ibn Aws: The Prophet said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.Just as the Prayers of Muslims would be submitted to Allah, the Prayers of Muslims will also be submitted to Mohammed! The Qur'an-Only Muslims correctly identify this Tashahhud as Making Mohammed a partner with Allah and thus a Shirk. In one of their Publications, they report on innovations kafirs have brought into Islamic Prayers. True Islam – Salat Innovations. Reciting a prayer (called "At-Tahiyaat" or "Tashahud" during the Salat to commemorate Prophets Muhammad and Abraham and their families and friends! The Quran commands believers to dedicate their Salat and all worship practices to the name of God alone (Qur'an 6:162, Qur'an 20:14). To praise or commemorate any other name during the Salat immediately invalidates the Salat and turns it into an act of shirk. Reciting a corrupt Shahada during Salat: God gave us the correct Shahada (Testimony) in the Quran (3:18). The Quranic Shahada is the one uttered by God Himself, the angels and all those endowed with knowledge. The corrupt innovation of adding the name of Muhammad to the Shahada is once again, an act of shirk. This corrupt Shahada is uttered during the Salat when the Quranic Shahada should be recited instead. http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat/salat_innovations_(P1206).html I hope I've been able to convince you that you Muslims pray to Mohammed (without thinking) five time daily as You recite your Tashahhud. This is Idolatry : How can you pray to both Mohammed and Allah at the same time and claim monotheism!? Questions : 1. In what areas have I misrepresented Islam in the translation of the Tashahhud? 2. When you recite the Tashahhud, does Mohammed truly hear you? 3. Is it Halal to even pray to Mohammed? 4. Are the Qur'an-Only Muslims mistaken in their views?
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Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 7:30pm On Oct 06, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt: It surprises me that you categorically allege me insinuating that cousins must come from the same tribe. Only because Allah and your prophet say Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron. Aaron, Moses and Mariam are from the Tribe of Levi while Mary is from the Tribe of Judah. Thus Mary cannot be the sister of Aaron! Ohyoudidnt: https://doortoeden.com/saint-anne-was-saint-anne-the-mother-of-mary/
In the Bible, Saint Anne was mentioned in the Books of the New Testament as the mother of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ. Anna was of the tribe of Levi and was the daughter of Mary and Nathan, a priest of the line of Aaron. They lived in the time of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, and Anna had two sisters who lived in Bethlehem: Mary and Soviet.
https://jimmyakin.com/2004/03/cousin_kinswoma.html Which book of the bible states that Anne is the mother of Mary? Ohyoudidnt: The Greek word sungenēs (pronounced sun-gen-ace) is too general to be translated "cousin." "Relative," "kinsman," or (in the feminine) "kinswoman" would be acceptable translations. "Cousin" is simply wrong, and so clearly wrong that in Luke 1:36 in the current version of the NAB, they’ve stopped rendering it that way and translated it as "relative" instead.
https://sage-answer.com/where-is-joachim-mentioned-in-the-bible/ The problem which you don't understand is that Luke traces the ancestry of Jesus through Mary to Judah : thus, it is inconsequential the argument of Cousin or Relative or Kinswoman. This means that Mary CANNOT be called relative of Aaron as Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 7:14pm On Oct 06, 2023 |
motayoayinde: NOPE. ASK RATHER, WHY CHRISTIANS ARE JOINING MUSLIMS IN DROVES IN THE WORSHIP OF "ARAB DEITIES".
MANY MORE ARE ABANDONING RELIGION ALL TOGETHER OWING TO COMPLETE 💯% DISILLUSIONMENT WITH CHRISTIANITY.
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. 😊 Why are unbelievers and evil increasing by the day? By your argument, unbelievers and evil are increasing by the day because evil is the right way!One with God is a majority! God wiped out the whole earth and spared only the family of Noah: showing that God doesn't deal with population. Why would you leave the God of Abraham to serve the deity of the Arabs? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 3:01pm On Oct 06, 2023 |
motayoayinde: IN SPITE OF ALL YOUR SHITTY "EXPOSE", MORE CHRISTIANS AROUND THE WORLD ARE TURNING TO ISLAM ON THEIR OWN 😂.
DON'T THEY SEE THE "EXPOSE" OF ISLAMOPHOBES LIKE YOU?
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. 😆 The demon in you is afraid of the damage I am causing to Islam isn't it? You can't answer simple questions because your preferred narratives are based on lies. Believe any lie you want: one with God is a majority! It seems you Don't know this! Who told you that people are not seeing my posts? Unfortunately, the it's not your time I'm wasting, is it? Why would you leave the God of Abraham to serve the deity of the Arabs?
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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 8:07am On Oct 06, 2023 |
ItsReal: That's all i can help u with , i saw that a bro dropped his whatsapp number to talk to u...
Im sorry . i no really get time...
U asked for popular Christian speakers and i gave it to you.
Take care...
No be APC and LP matter be this o... Make u no go regret am o.
Take ur time and watch attentively... Who is the person on whatsapp that want to chat with me? Perhaps you can remind me of him |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 8:06am On Oct 06, 2023 |
ItsReal: Here is another live stream tonight, please come online with ur questions, dont be a keyboard warrior.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/VJiwg4RPkLE?si=hVX7qNAnnXXC5EGv
9:30pm I am a keyboard specialist because I easily Debunk the lies of Islam from the religious books of the Hadiths, the Qur'an, the Truth the Tafairs and historical books of Muslims. I post the Evidences that mere words don't dispel. Have I not shown you just from the hadith that your champion Mohammed Ali is a Liar? You have no response to this! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Pray To Mohammed! by TenQ(op): 7:44am On Oct 06, 2023 |
ItsReal: I directed you to him because you said he debates ignorant Christians which u are not one of them... You are supposed to go to the live stream to show all the copy and paste you spit here in real life.
I abandoned ur matter since the last time as i said it would be a waste of time, either way, responding to you or not... Even english comprehension, you fail at it...
No time, jare.
Look tru youtube search results for debates between samoun and other popular muslims, you win find them... You don't get it. I don't do verbal Debates because you can't post hard visual evidence and claims made by me can easily be waved off with words.But see how easily I showed you that Mohammed Ali was lying by just posting a Hadith. I said :First lie from Mohammed Ali: Allah's Destiny does not affect our freewill therefore, it's all a test. And in a test, some people will pass and others fail! On this lie: all Mohammed Ali's argument was based. In Islam, will babies go to hell? Is the hadith below true or false? Sahih Muslim 2662 c'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.
Can you see the lies on which Mohammed Ali based his whole explanation!? Who do you Believe in your prophet Muhammad or Mohammed Ali? cc: Ohyoudidnt Again, will some babies go to hell? Is this not a destiny of Allah? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 7:37am On Oct 06, 2023 |
motayoayinde: IF YOU AREN'T DONE WITH YOUR BOOK OF ERRORS ( and you won't in a lifetime) DON'T QUOTE ME. I have exposed the foundation of the fraud called Islam. 1. Allah is not and cannot be God 2. Mohammed is a 419 prophet 3. Islam is based on Lies and Deception 4. Millions of good sincere people have been decieved and going to hell 5. Islam can only be defended with more lies |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 7:15am On Oct 06, 2023 |
[i][/i] motayoayinde: DEAR HYPOCRITE,
PLEASE LEARN TO REMOVE THE LOG IN YOUR EYES OF HATE FIRST BY GETTING VERY BUSY WITH THE ERRORS AND CONFUSION IN YOUR BIBLE.
THIS TASK WILL TAKE YOU A LIFETIME I CAN ASSURE YOU. If Allah can make such blunders in his own perfectly dictated book, how can he be God? Undergraduates in Nigeria will not even commit such errors of ignorance. Just tell me how! |
Politics › Re: Atiku Misled The Public On Muslim-Muslim Ticket - Woye by TenQ: 7:10am On Oct 06, 2023 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need A Woman For Wife by TenQ: 6:25am On Oct 06, 2023 |
alabiexperto2: Hello ladies, please i need a born again christian lady. Am 35yrs, and am residing in Auch, edo state. here is my phone number: 07054885761, you can text me or call me. Very wrong approach sir. What is wrong with ladies in your church, workplace and neighborhood. You think you can marry any stranger who claims to be born again? |