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HisSplendor:
The deception is real.

This black stone issue is similar to the worship of Diana of Ephesus. It fell from heaven too. There are many such false religions in the world with the same black stone story. This is definitely Baal in different forms.

What about the Moon and Star symbol of Islam? I wish you or Sixfiguresmart and Advocatejare can educate us on this.

From the start, Islam has been having issues with the Character and doctrine of Mohammed . If not because the prophet and Messanger of Allah himself participated in the indirect black stone worship, Muslims would have been free. Unfortunately, it is not so.

This same Prophet of Islam received the Satanic Verses which was later abrogated.

The verse of breastfeeding an adult ten times was also "revealed" by this same prophet of Allah. It was a tame sheep that abrogated the verses, otherwise Muslim women would have been breastfeeding adults as a command of Allah.

What we are sure is that even Allah had to just indulge him for even sins he is yet to commit.

I think ONE-by-ONE, the veil of ignorance of Muslims would be removed. The TRUTH sets free indeed. You'll note that Muslims cannot talk here because the EVIDENCE is overwhelming and easy to find. Many Muslims don't even know much about the BLACK STONE and it's POWER as an advocate (besides Allah)!

It is easy to show that Allah may not be different from Mohammed and the spirit of Satan within him.

I truely pray for salvation for my Muslim friends and acquaintance especially here on Nairaland Antichristian, LegalWolf, haekymbahd and mhmsadyq. It looks like this is argument of supremacy but no: it is an UNVEILING of what was meant to be kept secret but will kill ultimately

The Qur'anic verse below is scarry: I wonder how Muslims sleep well with it

Qur'an 19:71-72
71. There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it. 72. Then We shall deliver those that feared Allah and leave the wrong-doers there on their knees

They will enter Hell before knowing the TRUTH!?

Pray for them. If my parents were Muslims, probably I'll be doing dawah like them too.

I don't know much about the moon and star as I've not bothered about it perhaps Sixfiguresmart may know. For me, there are more damaging issues.

Shalom

Pierocash:
Putin spelt out two reasons why Russia invaded Ukraine . (1) To De-Nazify Ukraine, (2) to liberate Donbass ,which two has long been accomplished with referendum conducted.

Taken more territories is just to further gained more ground and weaken the surroundings.

Tactical withdrawal from Kherson was necessary,winter is around the corner ,that region will be a death trap for them to hold ground during winter. Those places they are giving up are not needed ,the needed part has been captured , done and dusted

Really!?
Kherson is not needed!?

You've forgotten that the seized territories officially has been annexed to Russia?
Kherson is part of Russia but small Ukraine has occupied it now!

What do you say?

[quote author=eas01 post=118451080][/quote]You've forgotten that the seized territories officially has been annexed to Russia?
Kherson is part of Russia but small Ukraine has occupied it now!

What do you say?

Pierocash:
The comedian is looking for every means possible to drag Nato into direct confrontation with Russia ,he is doing everything possible to trigger 3rd world war just to destroy the entire EU.

Zelensky,you will fight the war you started alone

This same comedian went to Kherson a few days ago to the welcome of a people Russia claimed they voted over 90% to join Russia.

A mere ordinary comedian successfully slugged it out with an old war veteran and politician who had a minimum of TEN times anything Ukraine has!?

That comedian is a HERO: able to harness his people and her resources to stand up to a bully.

REFERENCE: Islamic website


The Black Stone
13-07-2000
Question 1902

QUESTION
What's the importance of the BlackStone in Kaaba, what does represent ?

Answer
Praise be to Allah.

There are a number of ahaadeeth etc. about the Black Stone which we will quote for our brother so that he may learn from them.

1. The Black Stone was sent down by Allaah to this earth from Paradise.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa’i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi).

2. The Stone was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; Ahmad, 2792. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/219. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar classed it as qawiy (strong) in Fath al-Baari, 3/462).

(a) Al-Mubaarakfoori said in al-Marqaah: This means, the sins of the sons of Adam who touched the stone, caused it to turn black. The hadeeth should be taken at face value, because there is no reason not to, either narrated in a report or by virtue of common sense.

(Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 3/525)

(b) Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: Some heretics tried to criticize this hadeeth by saying: How come the sins of the mushrikeen turned it black and the worship of the people of Tawheed did not make it white?

I answer by quoting what Ibn Qutaybah said: If Allaah had willed, that would have happened. But Allaah has caused it to be the case that black usually changes other colours and its not itself changed, which is the opposite to what happens with white.

(c) Al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The fact that it is black is a lesson for those who have insight. If sins can have this effect on an inanimate rock, then the effect they have on the heart is greater.

See Fath al-Baari, 3/463

3. The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, and as qawiy by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari, 3/462

(4) Touching, kissing or pointing to the Black Stone – this is the first thing to be done when starting Tawaaf, whether it is for Hajj or ‘Umrah, or voluntary Tawaaf.

It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Makkaah, he came to the Black Stone and touched it, then he walked to the right of it and ran three times and walked four times [around the Ka’bah].

(narrated by Muslim, 1218).

(5) The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kissed the Black Stone, and his ummah followed his lead in doing so.

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)

(6) If a person is unable to kiss the Stone, he should touch it with his hand or something else, then he can kiss the thing with which he touched it.

(a) It was narrated that Naafi’ said: I saw Ibn ‘Umar touch the Stone with his hand then he kissed his hand. I said, I have never ceased to do this since I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) do it.

(Narrated by Muslim, 1268)

(b) It was narrated that Abu Tufayl (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.

(Narrated by Muslim, 1275).

(7) If a person is unable to do the above, then he can point to it with his hand and say “Allaahu akbar”.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performed Tawaaf on his camel, and every time he came to the corner [where the Stone is] he would point to it and say “Allaahu akbar.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4987).

( Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/664). Al-Dhahabi agreed with him).

It is not permissible for a Muslim to annoy other Muslims at the Stone by hitting or fighting. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that the Stone will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity, which is not the case when a person touches it by disturbing the slaves of Allaah.

And Allaah knows best.





https://www.google.com/amp
/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/1902

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If you are not sure, you needn't respond.

The Question again:
The QUESTION:
1. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of Idolaters ?
2. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

Thank you sirs!

Islamic Idolatry

For a religion who claims to practice the STRICTEST Monotheism, would it surprise you that both Mohammed AND Muslims are Idolaters?

This is a serious allegation to make if not backed up with EVIDENCE!
Let us check the meaning according to Islamic teachings.

Definition of Idolatry:
1. Secular Source (Muslim biased)
Shirk (Arabic: شرك širk) in Islam is the sin of idolatry or polytheism (i.e., the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides Allah). Islam teaches that God does not share His divine attributes with any partner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam)

2. Islamic Source
The Qur‘an teaches that whenever the love, longing, loyalty and submission which are due to Allah, are focused upon other than Him, or others along with Him, then this is shirk – idolatry; setting-up partners with Allah. For as Islam sees things, whoever loves something, desires it, values it, and centres their hopes, fears, love and loyalty around it; submitting to it independently of Allah, then this, for them, becomes a deity, a god, an object of sacrilegious worship.

https://thehumblei.com/tag/how-does-islam-define-idolatry/

3. Evidence from Allah in the Qur'an
Qur'an 39:3
“Look! [Only] exclusive faith is worthy of Allah, and those who take guardians besides Him [claiming,] ‘We only worship them so that they may bring us near to Allah.’ Allah will indeed judge between them concerning that about which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide someone who is a liar and an ingrate.”

Qur'an 109:1-6
“.....Dedicate yourself to the religion as a hanīf, and never be one of the polytheists. Never invoke besides Allah that which neither benefits you nor can do you any harm; for if you do so, then you will indeed be among the wrongdoers.”


Now, Muslims will agree that worship goes beyond bowing down to an idol. It may also involve kissing, touching or reverencing any object or thing asside Allah. Invoking an object is not necessarily verbal is it?

Now, at the Kaaba,
1. There is a stone that came from paradise which used to be white but is now BLACK (because of sins of people touching it) that Muslims on pilgrimage touch and/kiss (they dont bow down to it)
2. The stone is shaped like a Vagina of a Woman and in the pre-islamic times, women used to touch it with their menstral blood probably for fertility sake.
3. Allahs apostle said that on judgment day, this Black stone would be given eyes and mouth to speak and it will testify for or against a Muslim's sincerity while touching it.
4. The Black stone became black because it has the power to suck/remove/take upon itself the sins of Muslims.

Even though, Muslims do not bow down to this stone, THEY worship and Invoke it by
1. Ascribing the power of forgiveness of sin to it (something only Allah has power to do)
2. Touching and/or kissing it as part of their religious excercise
3. Putting their hope in the black stone as an object to intercede for them on the day of judgement.

1. According to the first definition of Idolatry,
Muslims share the divine attribute of forgiveness of sin of Allah with the black stone.
2. According to the second definition of idolatry
Whoever centres their hopes, fears, love and loyalty around an object; submitting to it independently of Allah, then this, for them, becomes a deity, a god, an object of sacrilegious worship.

Muslims center their hopes for forgiveness of sin on this black stone independently of Allah, thus the black stone becomes a deity of sacrilegious worship.

3. According to the third definition of Idolatry

According to Qur'an 39:3, if the purpose of the black stone is to get Muslims closer to Allah through the forgiveness of their sins, this is idolatry.
Also, exclusive FAITH belong only to Allah and not any object, he who therefore have faith is anything else (black stone) is an idolater.

According to Qur'an 109:1-6, Never invoke besides Allah that which neither benefits you nor can do you any harm.

But some Muslims (like Umar) invoke the black stone by touching and/kissing/pointing to it even while they claim that it neither benefits nor harm them.


Like the Yorubas ascribe Olodumare to be the Creator but worship other Deities and put their trusts in various Charms, the Nlack Stone can be said to be the Muslim's EQUIVALENT of CHARMS (invoked by touching and/or kissing)


The QUESTION:
1. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms?
2. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?



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References:
If any Muslim disagree with any of the assertions above, I'll be willing to provide EVIDENCES. For now, I assume that Muslims are aware and familiar with my claims.

However, I found an Islamic site that ANSWERED and PROVIDED more than enough references .

LegalWolf, keep to the Question if you know the answer. If you don't, there is no virtue in thrashing meaninglessly about.

Everyone who reads is amazed at the Noisemaker's rattle.

Someone claimed a post is a lie and he himself went through the post pointing out ZERO lies.

He then goes through endless ramblings even calling many people to his rescue.

Let's see how many will fall for your madness or ignore your rabid bursts as they refuse to be drawn into gross FOOLISHNESS as you have portrayed your self

Apply a little common sense and you'll be delivered. After crying endlessly for two full days, he feels that mindless desperate struggling will deliver him from his woes.

Who will deliver this Foolish Lawyer from his childishness?

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HisSplendor

I believe you can see his true nature

Muslims reading can see that what was called a lie was just a conjecture of the liar.

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam?
Response: NOT A LIE!
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died?
Response: NOTHING IN ISLAMIC LITERATURE SUPPORTS THIS INFERENCE.

What DIFFERENT thing does the Islamic literatures support about Deception the beliefs of Mary, the Disciples, Siblings of Jesus and Christians with respect to Christ's death and resurrection?

Unfortunately, it can only be a LIE if Islamic literatures convincingly states OTHERWISE!

Since he has no EVIDENCE (from Islamic Literatures), he MANUFACTURES his OWN conclusion.

Abi, you don't know an answer to a historical event yet without evidence to the contrary you claimed "IT'S NOT CORRECT!"
How do you know?

At least for Christians, they can claim that
A. The Disciples of Jesus wrote about His Crucifixion, Death and Resurrection
B. Mary and the siblings of Jesus were together with the early Christians. Mary lived with John the Apostle till her death!
C. Billions of Christians (even the heretic sect) believe that Jesus was crucified, died and rose from the dead.

Qur'an and Islamic literatures don't have ANY CLUE: is this enough fact to base a conclusion on?

3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified?

Evidence for or against!

Response: Christian Taqqiyya!?

Haba, what does the Qur'an say?

Qur'an 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


The words of Allah against his ardent slave! SMH!!

Who are those who were attributed by Allah to differ with Allah in this case?

I believe everyone can see how a Lawyer called TenQ's speech a LIE and after going through, he himself could not EXHIBIT a single lie!

The Religion of Allah is indeed a religion of LIES, DECEIT, DECEPTION and LIARS!

Cc: HisSplendor

So, according to Islam, everything TenQ said was UNTRUE both the Premise and the following Question?

Maybe those who assert that should state CLEARLY the points that are ERRORS.

Did Allah guide rightly Mary the mother of Jesus, The Disciples of Jesus, the Bothers and Sisters of Jesus, the followers of Jesus and the Christians about the divinity of Jesus and the fact that Jesus was crucified, Died, Resurrected and stayed with His followers for about 40 days before being taken to heaven in their presence?

It is easy to repeatedy scream error, lies at others without an iota of evidence to establish the truth.

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HisSplendor:


You can see how he refused to answer the question. He would rather speak about other things.


Can he who argue mindlessly give evidence to counter these?

6. Because this man had enemies (the Jews and Romans) who wanted to kill Him, Allah SECRETLY took him alive to heaven so that he was neither Crucified nor killed.
7. This secrecy was so perfectly done that Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters didn't know anything about it
8. Allah made sure that EVERYONE including the Jews, the Romans, Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters ALL thought that the man on the cross was Jesus.

Can he give proofs/evidences that each of the above are LIES or UNTRUTHS?

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam?
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died?
3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified?
Evidence for or against!

LOL!

TenQ:
To those following,

The question is just one.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Muslims will do everything to win an argument INCLUDING denying their Allah.

What did Allah himself say about the deception of the Christians?

Qur'an 6:107
Had Allah so willed they would not have associated others with Him in His divinity; and We have not appointed you a watcher over them, and you


In other words, Allah did NOT want Christians not to associate partners with him. Or simpler, Allah did want Christians to associate partners with him so that he can correct this 600 years after.

Muslims will pretend that Allah PREDESTINED everything to happen: including Christians believing that Jesus was crucified, died, buried, rose again and was raised to heaven in the presence of the disciples.

Are Muslims saying that Allah did not PREDESTINE the Error of the Christians?

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HisSplendor:

TenQ:
To those following,

The question is just one.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Muslims will do everything to win an argument INCLUDING denying their Allah.

What did Allah himself say about the deception of the Christians?

Qur'an 6:107
Had Allah so willed they would not have associated others with Him in His divinity; and We have not appointed you a watcher over them, and you


In other words, Allah did NOT want Christians not to associate partners with him. Or simpler, Allah did want Christians to associate partners with him so that he can correct this 600 years after.

Muslims will pretend that Allah PREDESTINED everything to happen: including Christians believing that Jesus was crucified, died, buried, rose again and was raised to heaven in the presence of the disciples.

Are Muslims saying that Allah did not PREDESTINE the Error of the Christians?

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HisSplendor:

To those following,

The question is just one.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

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timesuploaded:
A confirm mumu you are. Russia still controls 75% of kherson oblast. This is a police operation. NATO won't last 10 seconds in a real war with Russia. You are so stupid and brainwashed to help yourself from the dumbness inflicted on your brainwashed brain

We are saying exactly the same thing. The 40 year old man tore the boys clothes however in the scuffle with the boy, he fell.

Teeaser4:
post wey I don modify cos I no wan back and forth conversation with anyone , you still see am… who are you bro? Are you a moderator here? How you take see am still surprise… unquote me pls… I no wan type epistle

LOL!
Goodnight bro!

Teeaser4:
what humiliating defeat , cos i don’t understand, about 7M Ukrainians currently have no electricity, Russia has annexed and still control some former Ukraine’s territory and lastly Russia literally owns Ukraine’s sky that’s why they can as they like….

Stay away from one-sided news, read news from both sides and make your decisions. Of course, I no talk say Russia no dey collect too, but the ratio no balance, na the humiliating defeat i no understand, pls expatiate what you mean by that..

A 40 year old man slapped an eight year old boy and tore his clothes. The 8 year old boy slapped the man and pushed him to the ground.

Some people are saying that the fool at forty won the fight because his hand is bigger!

Everyone could see that!

The second biggest Army in the WHOLE world pursued out of Kherson , Kyiv , Northern and parts of Eastern Ukraine by a small army led by a COMEDIAN!?

LegalWolf:
Hahahahaha....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! This is not the last time my dear. We are still on a very long road. Trust me, the journey will be exciting as I will be a guest in your mentions.

First off, you have not answered my very simple question which is: Why should I engage a fraudulent, shameless, ignoble and morally bankrupt LIAR in matter of religion? .

Secondly, and as a direct response to your question, I can only tell you what I know. Therefore, what I know that is true is what I have told you in my previous post, Or would you want me to send delusions to you?

Your immaturity has been eminently displayed. Sometimes, silence is golden: as displayed on this thread by AntiChristian:..
compton11:
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Watinani:

Who kept their opinions to themselves because of the nature of my question. Unfortunately, like a brute mule whose intelligence is below average, you chose to splash around thinking that VAGUE noise and repetitive slander is wisdom. Unfortunately, you have exposed your depth if sickness of soul as one who think that ADEQUATE noise drowns out the TRUTH (even when it's your house is on fire)!


On this thread, LegalWolf, I conclude my post directly with you hopping that you'll have learnt a few things in future threads.

Dear HisSplendor
Since the only excuse of LegalWolf for not responding to my only question is his fraudulent repetition of slanderous accusations against me, perhaps you may ask him DIRECTLY by yourself the same question. (See the new excuse he is going to present).

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Thanks

LegalWolf:
What is true is that:

a. the seventh day Yhwh had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work Genesis 2:3;

b. For this reason Yhwh sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2 Thessalonians 2:11

c. Then I said, “Alas, Sovereign Lord! How completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!” Jeremiah 4:10

(please note that all references to God are replaced with yhwh).

There you have your answers OR ARE THESE NOT TRUE, PRETTY BOY TENQ ?

Again the question still stands: Can you give me a reason why I should engage with a shameless, fraudulent and morally bankrupt liar?

For the last time,

Is it true in the Qur'an that Allah made a direct COMMAND that failed miserably!?

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

HisSplendor:
You don't want to engage your supossed fraudulent ignoble and shameless liar but you've reached Page 3 of the thread in engaging him without answering his question. It's obvious you're just trying to avoid the question asked.

Thank you so much for the observation. Every wise person reading this thread will notice this same thing?
The tantrums is just to avoid answering the QUESTION!

LegalWolf:
LOL! Shameless, Ignoble, Lying, Low self-esteemed, braggadocious LIAR! .

Between Sunday and Today (just two days mana), you have attempted to divert the issue of yhwh's weakness to other things. First, you made U-turn and wanted to discuss creation in 6 days, now this! Do you think you are talking to your sheep? Jungle don dey mature, right? Yhwh is a weak ass god that rests AFTER WORK. I was not the one who said that, but the book of Genesis did!

Now that over 2 billion humans call on him to answer their prayers, don't you think you all are overworking him and he may die soon? LOL!




And that reminds me, I assume you are Yoruba... But the Yorubas have a saying that a Liar is a potential thief! . So that is why I have been calling you little hushpuppi and until you tell us why you are lying and admit to your errors, we have just started.

LegalWolf:
And on your questions, yhwh bears me witness that they are very simple. In fact, I will answer this question making references to the Books of the Prophets (Nevi'im) alone and not the entirety of the Old Testament or even the fraudulent NT. Just books of God's prophets and probably slight reference to the alleged books of Moses.

But the fundamental question still remains: why on earth would I engage a fraudulent, despicable, ignoble and shameless LIAR on matters of religion (if we bear in mind that RELIGION IS EVERYTHING MAN DOES TO PLEASE GOD) huh?

Is it true in the Qur'an that Allah made a direct COMMAND that failed miserably!?

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

Is it true in the Qur'an that Allah made a direct COMMAND that failed miserably!?

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ,

First off, you are a low-self esteemed, boastful, shameless, ignoble and fraudulent LIAR!

Since bursting your burble and showing you just two pieces of evidence (where there are more) that your yhwh is a deceptive crook that sends delusion to lawless ones so as believe a lie. To make matter worse, he is a lazy ass god who rested after 6 days of hard workWould you now tell us that you have partial or full ban?



The above was posted some minutes to 3 yesterday AFTER I posted in the morning. LOL! If not that you are an ignoble and shameless liar, I would have walked you down the whole of the bible while staining yhwh's white. Remember when I told you to assume that you met an atheist and told him about your religion. That our old atheist friend has decided to read the bible and the very first chapter (not ALL, the FIRST FOUR or ANY) of genesis contains stories of creation that contradicts science.... you remember that? That was my reference to Genesis 1.

Now, I have moved to Genesis chapter 2 to demonstrate that your yhwh is an absolutely lazy god. By1 the time I reach Genesis 50, hope you wouldn't have run mad. But anyways, as you are a shameless, ignoble liar, it is nauseating to engage a characterless person like you on religion. Absolutely distasteful!

See how you've started CRYING and WAILING on nairaland again. I didn't know this thing pain you like this!? Your cry-cry attitude did not allow you to see the topic of discussion.

Pele! Sorry!!
Don't cry again. That was why I presented a simpler question to you.


THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

Thank you!

Zonefree:
Till tomorrow, I still don't know or understand why Nigerians are taking side with ASUU.

ASUU as a union is not considering the students.

The President
The Minister of Education
The Minister of Labour

All their children are not schooling in Nigeria. They're not affected in any way, if you like strike in the next 30 years, e no concern them.

Most of the ASUU members, their children are schooling in private universities.

The lecturers will shut the school against innocent average Nigerians for 8 months and still be feeling entitled, yet average Nigerians are still supporting them

ASUU don dey go strike for ages with no result, and they're still striking. Are there no other better ways to express their grievances? It's only a fool that will be doing same thing over and over again and be expecting different result.

How do you think other government institutions (especially research organizations) are faring under this government?
As they have killed these, some people feel ASUU should also be humble enough to be killed by the same government. Good luck!

muykem:
I think that after this face off, ASUU will learn a great lesson. You can not be forcing your employer to always do bid through strike.

Your employer signed an agreement with you which they decided not to fulfill.
Do you think this is right?

LegalWolf:
First of, you’re a Liar. That is the beginning and end of every conversation I’ll have with you.

Secondly, all these lamentations of Isiah is your problem and that of yhwh. Yhwh did not tell Moses all these nonsense you said. He never insinuated in ALL of chapters of Genesis dedicated and to telling us, amongst other things, the story of creation that he is doesn’t get tired. After how many years from the event, and to a story completely unrelated to creation and how yhwh rested, you are not telling us cock and bull story.

Anyways, all I said was to quote the purported bible that your god RESTED AFTER creation. Again, your lazy ass god rested AFTER working and he was pleased with his work. The bible did not even make reference to the food he ate. Was it agbado, ewa, cassava or garri? Lol you and yhwh would lule last last!

Thirdly, when I challenged you that you are a liar, I went ahead to ask Fawaz and NN TR (I don’t want mention them both) to judge but neither took the noble role. Didn’t I? Tell me what effort you made you shameless, ignoble and fraudulent liar. Now you have said you bursted my lie and you expect me to look for arbiter or compel people to decide?

On your questions, I won’t send delusions to you TenQ like your yhwh does. Far from it. I’ve been resting like yhwh too AFTER WORKING and until you show us that (1) you are not a fraudulent, ignoble, shameless and morally bankrupt liar or (2) give me one sensible reason why I should continue a conversation with a fraudulent liar, then you are just wasting your time.

Again, like yhwh, I should go and rest too after working for six days. Or shouldn’t I?

First, argue with this
Isaiah 40:28
28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary; His understanding is beyond searching out.


For a deceptive LAIR who doesn't know even the statement of his Allah.

Did your Allah tell a lie here?
Qur'an 10:3
Indeed, your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne, arranging the matter [of His creation]. There is no intercessor except after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Then will you not remember?


Since it's apparent that you VEHEMENTLY disagree with your God.
It's your words against Allah!
One of you must be LIEING
So, who is lying between the two of you?

Secondly, even after I gave you suggestions of friends to call as Arbiters, you had no intention to call any because all your cry-cry was a ruse, a fake alligator cry, a 419 attempt to make people think you've been unjustly flogged by TenQ. Have I flogged you unjustly!?

A cry-cry lieing fraudulent lawyer weeping so uncontrollably so as to escape my spanking using evey Deception he could muster. Okay, I'll make it easy for you, I give you the permission if credible people are deserting you, call ANYONE as your arbiter. Is that okay?
Will you stop crying after this!?

Face the question and stop using character assassination as an escape strategy my LIAR!

Cry-cry baby!
I ask again where are your Arbiters?

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

Since you aren't calling your arbiters again, can you answer the question above?

LegalWolf:
And TenQ, one more thing, all the questions you’ve asked me, pleas go compile them. Every single one of them. I promise I won’t sent delusions to you when I answer ANY, ALL OR THE FIRST FOUR OF THEM. Lol! (are any, all and the first four not the same per your logic? Or the words separate?) yhwh bears me witness that I love conversing with you. Such a pretty handsome boyyyyyyy Lol

However, the question of your character must be assessed first. For example, I find it nauseating to be discussing morality with a thief who is hell-bent on convincing me his own thievery morality is a higher ground. Won’t you too?

After wailing and crying for two full days! So it was all a ruse!? A lie as usual, so that you can escape answering the questions.
Where are your Arbiters?

Cry-cry baby!
Where are your Arbiters?

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

Since you aren't calling your arbiters again, can you answer the question above?

Isaiah 40:28
28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary; His understanding is beyond searching out.

וַיִּשְׁבֹּת֙

LegalWolf:
Lol, I can feel your pain and I understand how you’re drowning in destruction.



Did you not see this?


Shameless, Ignoble and morally bankrupt liar. Again did you not see this? Liar!

Oga LIAR, are you not bringing people to confirm my lies again?
You just went COLD.
What happened to you?
A few moments ago, you were wailing as if you are going to commit suicide...now, you just kept QUIET. So, it was all drama to you LIAR... staged drama to escape your new LIES!
Now, you are AFRAID of being BURSTED again!
You fall my hand!

Deceptive Liar,
Just to escape a simple Question!?

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

Since you aren't calling your arbiters again, can you answer the question above?

LegalWolf:
Lol you that know the difference between premise and conclusion is asking for three arbiters, shameless
LIAR lol

I've Challenged you, bring YOUR arbiters. Have you developed cold feet?

WAILING Cry-Cry Lawyer!
I'm still waiting for you LIAR.

All these tantrums because you want to avoid answering questions.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

LegalWolf:
LOL! But yhwh deceived the lawless ones…didn’t he? Shameless Liar?

I can see what the definition of lies is to you. No wonder, you speak lies without any conscience!

LegalWolf:
At least, I did not send delusions to lawless people, and thereby being a fraudulent crook like one yhwh in 2 Thessalonians 2:11. I do not worship a fraudulent god who even deceives the ones that trusts him the most, his prophet - jeremiah the son of Hilkiah. This prophet had to lament (because he could not para) that yhwh has deceived him (Jeremiah 4:10). In fact, I can genuinely feel the sorrow in his voice that the person he trusted the most deceived him. LOL! I do not worship a fraud that... I can go on and on.

But yeah, thank you. I am a slave of Allah and my God is not a betrayer who deceives his OWN prophets. No wonder Jesus (oh I have forgotten that name is meaningless to you per your logic) said you belong to your father.... when he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44. So your father - yhwh is a crook, so what was I expecting?

I have engaged you this far and I will be hoping and waiting for where you would show that I am a liar. Please quote the posts not screenshots!

Unlike the disjointed Quran, your answer is in the same chapter

2 Thess 2:7-12
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

1. Those who perish do so BECAUSE they refuse to love the truth that would have saved them (just like you unless you repent)
2. The reason why these would be under a delusion to believe a LIE is that in addition to they not believing the truth, these people have delighted in WICKEDNESS.[/b]

Sorry Weeping Lawyer, you should have read the scripture.

[b]UNLIKE

1. Allah is the best deceiver
Qur'an 3:54
And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

2. Allah misleads People at will
Qur'an 14:4
Never have We sent a Messenger but he has addressed his people in their language that he may fully expound his Message to them. (And after the Message is expounded), Allah lets go astray whomsoever He wills, and guides to the Right Way whomsoever He wills. He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

3. Even satan accuses Allah of misleading him
Qur'an 15:33
[Iblees] said, "My Lord, because You have misled me into error , I will surely make [disobedience] attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all

LegalWolf:
LOL! Don't you want to show I am a liar again?

Modified: TenQ I modified this post in case you missed it. This is interesting. You want me to respond to your questions but are you prepared to answer ALL my questions?

My strategy right from the first go was to put yhwh and/or NT inside the witness box. Remember initial engagement we had? I think we could not proceed further because you never wanted yhwh/NT in the box. When I had the opportunity to skin your cat in another way by forcing NT (through the book of John) into the witness box, you started lying. And that puts your character in disrepute. So let us clarify the character question first before we proceed.

"But after this, MUST answer my question and any other questions I ask you."

Do you know how many questions I've asked you in our previous conversations that you avoided answering?

I am still waiting for you to call your people!
Like I said before:
Will you stop crying if the three agree to be Arbiters in this claim of yours?

LegalWolf:
Hi OP nocera,

I have a guy called TenQ and he comes off as a good christian. But he lies a lot. In fact, he tells so much lies that it is nauseating. Do you think being a liar can kill the prayer life of a christian and God detests lying?

LOL!
Like Prophet like Slave of Allah: best deceivers!

LegalWolf:
LOL! This is what I have been begging for yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs pretty boy .

Now you are having the balls to come forward. In fact, I do not want only them. I want a fair panel as two Muslims and One Christian is understandably an unfair panel to you. So any (not the first two ) of them may agree. LOL young hushpuppi . Again, any of them in addition to Lawag3 may agree and that is fine for me. If they do not (which I sincerely hope not), we will keep looking for someone until they agree to take up this noble role. To arbiter on who is a fraud between you and I.

You have claimed that I am a liar, right? And the truth is not afraid of scrutiny ehm? And that I made a mistake with challenging a fraudster like you with my lies right? If we get our arbiters, I think it will make sense if you can 'repaint' my lies to them while I will be given the chance to rebut it. Is that fine, our little p.retty boyyyyyyyyyyyyy ?

LOL!
The ball is in your court.

But after this, MUST answer my question and any other questions I ask you.


When they come up, I will paste my so called lies against you and you'll disprove me.

Mr WAILING LIAR!