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Kobojunkie:
1. Of the ones out there who you believe is of Jesus Christ, where are there lights to be seen? Jesus Christ clearly explained that these lights cannot be hidden and that even those in the world would see them.

In Mark, Jesus Christ taught His followers about the signs to follow those who belong to Him.
How many of the 2 billion proclaiming Christians out there in today's world, those who you believe belong to Jesus Christ, exhibit these signs - not on some assumed an off-and-on basis of course?

2. What does the parable about the Kingdom of God have to do with this? Are you suggesting that there are none currently fully qualified by Jesus Christ for service of God to this day because of the existence of the evil seeds in the Kingdom of God or what?

If your belief is that there are currently none out there who have been fully qualified for service by Jesus Christ to go out into the world to do God's work, then what you are saying is that all those who are out there today on your soul-winning campaigns have no right to proclaim they do anything in the name of God meaning they are all of them false teachers and false prophets preaching lies using the name of God.

Kobojunkie:
I am glad you posted Matthew 28 vs 20 as the explanation for that written in Matthew 20 vs 19.

So, to make one a disciple of Jesus Christ means to teach one to observe the Gospel Law of the Kingdom of God as taught by Jesus Christ, which is really what Jesus Christ sent us to do in the first place meaning you cannot by teaching a doctrine contrary to that which Jesus Christ Himself taught to make disciples for Jesus Christ, right?

At this point, let me digress a bit since I think this connects to the soul-winning idea that is out there in the world today. There are over 2 billion people in the world today who wear the Christian badge, all of them souls whom the churchian community claims to have won, yet the light of Jesus Christ, the symbol of His presence in life, is nowhere to be found. Wonder why?

In John, Jesus Christ said the following of those He sent out into the world in His Name.
He fully qualified them before sending them out into the world for the service of God. So, first things first, how many of those who are out there on these soul-winning campaigns have themselves been fully qualified by Jesus Christ to be of service to God?

Kobojunkie:
What does it mean to make a person a disciple - my guess here is of Jesus Christ, and not of a pastor or mog?

Lighthouse50:
TenQ, Thanks for the breakdown You wrote 'The holy spirit can use any medium to save a ripe soul' please explain the ripeness of soul

Kobojunkie:
Let's start with this idea of yours which is winning souls. Why do you believe it is your job to win souls, to begin with?

What Jesus Christ instead told His followers to do is to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to those in the World. Where do you get off believing it is your place to win souls? or maybe I should ask what exactly it means to "win souls" and why do you believe you have the power to do any such.

Lighthouse50:
Good day great nairalanders. I have pondered over and over of these saying "I USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO WIN SOULS" And have wondered if it has really worked as claimed.
I in turn see the destruction of souls rather than being saved cos many willing and hot christians are now becoming weak by the day, most preachings of diffent MOG'S Are not heard and even if heard by few, doesnt change the life of many.
If people you speak to face to face are finding it hard to believe, how much more online? I just want to know the opinion of people on this matter.

AntiChristian:
Where was Jesus mentioned in the Isaiah prophecy?

The biblical narrative was tailored albeit unprofessionally to fit into those narratives of Isaiah!

But all still remain permutations!

vannessa7:
It means bismillah, I use it in prayer and it works

Abdulgaffar22:
After the departure of Jesus (peace be upon him) from this world, a bright light from heaven that called himself Jesus of Nazareth flashed around a man called Paul (whose original name was Saul) on his way to Damascus;


"About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me (Acts 22:6-9)"



But did Paul (Saul) truly meet the original Jesus Christ (pbuh) on his way to Damascus ?


Let's consider the following points of evidence ;

1ST POINT OF EVIDENCE

Before Jesus (pbuh) left the surface of the earth, he forewarned the original apostles as follows:


"Take heed that no one deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying; I am the Christ; and shall deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5)…


“Then if anyone says here is Christ or there, do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you; Christ is out in the wilderness, do not go out; or Christ is in the inner rooms, do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, then the vultures will gather (Matthew 24:23-28)"


[Please take note of how the phrase "if anyone (which means without exception)" is being used repeatedly by Jesus in the verses above.]


“Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them Luke 21:8-9).


Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many (Mark 13:5-6)


In all the verses above, the disciples are commanded by Jesus(pbuh) not to believe in any account of a person who claim to have seen Jesus in a private manner prior to his universally-visible appearance to all. Jesus(pbuh) was telling us that his returning to earth again from heaven will be clear and unmistakable to everyone. That is to say, Jesus will be visible to every eye from every corner of the world in the same way that lightning that comes from the east is visible to those in the West . The people would gather to see Jesus coming from the heaven just like vultures gather over the carcass. Hence, any private appearances of Jesus to anyone or to only a few set of people before this universally public appearance should be ignored and discarded


Therefore, if Jesus’ private appearance to Paul in form of “a bright light from heaven" on his way to Damascus would be an exception to this great warning of not believing in private appearances of Christ, then Jesus (pbuh)should have foretold this exceptional event to the original apostles before he ascended to heaven. However, Jesus (pbuh) did not foretell anything like such.


2ND POINT OF EVIDENCE

Instead of foretelling to the original apostles that he would privately appear to someone like Paul in form of a bright light from heaven” before his universally-visible appearance to all, Jesus only informed them as follows;


"And he said unto them, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke10:18 KJV)".


That is to say, Jesus saw Satan in a form of a lightening falling from heaven. This is the appearance usually taken by Satan and this is the main reason why he was called Lucifer (which means light-bearer or morning star or shining one ) in Isaiah 14:12 KJV

[Lucifer is a combination of [lūx (light) + ferō (bear, carry) in Latin language]


But is it really reasonable to believe that it was Satan, and not Jesus, that revealed himself to Paul in form of lightning from heaven? Yes, it is not only reasonable but also provable by combining together the three strong facts below ;


1. Jesus has already forewarned the original apostles not to believe in any account of a person proclaiming private appearance of Christ, using repeatedly the phrase if anyone.... (which means without exception -see Matthew 24:23-28 quoted above)



2. If Jesus really foretold that he beheld Satan in a form of lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18 KJV), then Jesus would never emulate Satan by appearing in the same form to any chosen apostle. Yet it was the same lightning (i:e bright light) from heaven that revealed himself to Paul on his road to Damascus (see Acts 22:6-9 quoted above).



3. Matthew 24:36 clearly shows that Jesus does not know the actual day which general resurrection will take place and again Mark 11:12-14 clearly revealed that Jesus did not know that a distant fig tree had no fruits (until he reached the tree) which all implies that Jesus cannot be God who always has a perfect knowledge about all things.

Yet contrary to this basic fact, Paul indirectly proclaimed that Jesus is God by stating that all the fullness of God ( i:e the whole of divine nature) dwell in the body of Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:19, 2:9).

Hence stylishly, Paul caused the christians to commit the sin of idolatry by giving them the opportunity to take Jesus (who is only a man-- Acts 2:22) as a divine God.



See how all the evidence explained above support the fact that the bright light that revealed himself to Paul on his way to Damascus was not Jesus Christ but Satan in disguise - a ravening wolf that came in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15).


But despite this satanic delusion experienced by Paul, almost half of the books (13 out of 27) found in the New Testament were written by him alone.


Look at the foundation upon which the edifice of Christianity is erected !


This is the top secret that is clearly depicted in the Bible but which is still unknown to many Christians

Hoodrat:
Is Christmas biblical, can someone point me to a verse or chapter where God ordained the feast and celebration of Christmas to be kept. I will wire 100 Euro to anyone that can prove to me. Scripture only please.

vannessa7:
Ameen, same to you in the name of Allah

The questions you're asking, how are they beneficial to you?

Watinani:
Before i answered your questions please keep in mind that, there are many unauthentic hadith written by Jew's and other non Muslim just cause confusion and commotion in Islam.

There's a lot of verses and hadiths that you cannot understand it just by mere reading because you need alot of explanation on it from an Islamic scholars.

Watinani:
As the cornerstone of the Kaaba, the Black Stone is the most venerated stone on the face of the earth. Muslims wish to kiss it because the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) did so. However, keep in mind that the Black Stone is simply a stone. It is symbolic like a country’s flag is symbolic: something to respect and take pride in. Kissing it is not an obligation but a demonstration of love, just as you would kiss one of your children.

As the Second Khalifa of the Muslims, Umar bin al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) is quoted as saying:

I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allah’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Allah be upon him – kiss you, I would never have kissed you.

Watinani:
The Black Stone was given to Ibrahim from Jannah to be placed on the corner of the Holy Kaaba. Abd Allah Ibn Abbas – a cousin of Prophet Muhammad narrated that the Prophet said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise and it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam turned it black.”

According to Islamic scholars, duas are accepted at the Hajar al-Aswad and on the Day of Judgement, it will be testifying in favour of all those who have kissed it. The Prophet said: “By Allah! On the Day of Qiyamah (judgement), Allah will present the Hajar al-Aswad in such a manner that it will have two eyes and a tongue to testify to the Imaan (faith) of all those who kissed it.”

With regard to what some ignorant people think, that the purpose behind that is to seek blessing (barakah) from it, there is no basis for that, so it is invalid.

With regard to what some heretics have said, that circumambulating the Ka‘bah is like circumambulating the graves of their saints, and that it is tantamount to idolatry, this is part of their heresy. The believers only circumambulate it in compliance with the command of Allah, and whatever is done in compliance with the command of Allah, doing it is an act of worship of Allah, may He be exalted.

Watinani:
Do you not see that prostrating to anything other than Allah is major shirk (shirk akbar), but when Allah commanded the angels to prostrate to Adam, prostration to Adam was an act of worship to Allah, may He be exalted, and refusing to prostrate to him was an act of disbelief (kufr)?

Hence circumambulation of the Ka‘bah is one of the greatest acts of worship; it is the foundation of the Hajj, and Hajj is one of the pillars of Islam. Hence when the mataaf (place of tawaaf) is calm, the one who does tawaaf experiences the joy of tawaaf and feels in his heart that he is close to his Lord, which confirms the virtue and high status of the House of Allah. And it is Allah Whose help we seek. End quote.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ’Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him).

Fataawa al-‘Aqeedah (p. 28, 29).

1. To show his respect to Prophet Abraham. According to the history, the blackstone was given to Prophet Abraham in the process of building kabaa. So the blackstone is the icon of Abraham heritage.

2. To show his longing for Mecca (Makkah). History said that hajj al wada' (farewell hajj) is the only hajj ritual ever done by prophet Muhammad, and the only occasion he ever back to Mecca after settled in Madina, whereas Prophet Muhammad had very great love to his hometown.

3. To show gratitude to Allah SWT, since Prophet Muhammad entering Mecca with glory

The questions you're asking, how are they beneficial to you?

vannessa7:
Still very much around, thanks

vannessa7:
Still very much around, thanks

AntiChristian:
You mean the ones you cherry picked with the guidance of the Holy Spirit? I beg i no follow you dumb!

HisSplendor:
Taken from:
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/how-to-convince-an-atheist-that-god-exists.html

vannessa7:
21. And when it is said to them: "Follow that which Allah has sent down", they say: "Nay, we shall follow that which we found our fathers (following)." (Would they do so) even if Shaitan (Satan) invites them to the torment of the Fire.

22. And whosoever submits his face (himself) to Allah [i.e.(follows Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism), worships Allah (Alone) with sincere Faith in the (1) Oneness of His Lordship,(2) Oneness of His worship, and (3) Oneness of His Names and Qualities], while he is a Muhsin (good-doer i.e. performs good deeds totally for Allah's sake without any show-off or to gain praise or fame etc. and does them in accordance with the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger Muhammad ), then he has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold [La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah)]. And to Allah return all matters for decision.

23. And whoever disbelieved, let not his disbelief grieve you (O Muhammad ),. to Us is their return, and We shall inform them what they have done. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of what is in the breasts (of men).

Surah Luqman 31:21-23

AntiChristian:
I think you shouldn't be responding to this kinda challenge!
Relegating Islamic Jurisprudence to only the Qur'an alone is even against the Qur'an itself as we have "Obey Allah and his Prophet" many times in the Qur'an.

Only Quraniyoon (Quranists) use only Qur'an and we are far from such!

Person wey no see "Christianity" at all in their Bible as a religion go dey argue Islam as the only religion?

Messi1:
I've always visited this my uncle at least four times a week. That is where I pass away time. His children all like me and any day I fail to come they must ask me why didn't come. I use the time i spend in his house to teach his children Mathematics and do their home work for them.

Today I was in his house, he stormed out from his room and ask if i don't help my mother at home. He yelled at me and what pain me most is that he said food is costly and they are only managing. He made me feel like i was the one finishing the food in his house. He said I should not be too frequent in his house if at all I must come.

I'm considering severing all ties to this my uncle, will that be right?

teamc:
Got married 2yrs ago and we have a beautiful daughter, she has this dream of studying in Canada and I support her dream.

Our immigration consultant recommend she apply alone to increase chances that i and our daughter can join her later.

Now visa is out and she will be travelling next month. I have read numerous stories about how women change when they travel out.

Should I be worried?

Antoeni:
A Nigerian doctor, popularly known on Twitter as @drpenking, is of the opinion that no serious-minded man sees a future with a woman with dyed hair.

According to @drpenking who took to Twitter to share his opinion, no man will approach a woman with dyed hair with serious intentions because there’s a stereotype attached to coloured hair.

Speaking about women who dye their hair green, gold and other bold colours, the doctor said men don’t want to marry such women.

He tweeted,



https://twitter.com/drpenking/status/1592960386806210560?t=vqqwvaih3cEonmCeqs1gzg&s=19

The tweet has however elicited different reactions online as many disagreed with his stance.

See how some people reacted below,

IG user, @chidoxflash wrote, “I disagree.. Yes dress like you want to be addressed so says an English adage . But you see times have changed, one man’s food is another man’s poison. What if I tell you this days some guys take their wives & girl friends to the salon to tilt their hair. For some people it is bad for other it is beautiful. In fact I have seen ladies with beautiful colored hairs. There is really nothing to it”

@come2jane wrote, “I wanna know how I got married cos I wear all colors. Someone’s hair color is just color not them. They are not their hair. D way u love and prefer black dat is how I prefer other colors sometimes. Dat u are rigid in ur thinking does not mean people should not explore. Life is not centered around ur one way of thinking. Thank God he is not a man o, the rules and regulation would be out of this world. Ur sense of judgment will cloud your tru sense when u are looking at the wrong things to qualify people’s reality.”

@_nomistake wrote, “I’m not part of those men because nothing concern me with the color of your hair,what matter to me most is your beauty and your attitude,if your like carry red hair for head .



https://twitter.com/hummerbby/status/1592970272780726272?t=CHmwvm_Ok8CTnqW4Zsa6tg&s=19[/quote]Is Portable not an EXCEPTION!?

LegalWolf:
You made about 5 posts, I have gone through all and four of them are completely irrelevant.

Ideally, I should not be discussing matters of religion with a potential thief. At least, I am not the one who said an habitual liar is a potential thief. I read and heard the wise sayings amongst the Yoruba people [see: https://twitter.com/yoruba_proverbs/status/1326404292551454720?lang=en-GB]. In case you dispute this saying, you can take on that twitter handle and not me. However, this may probably my LAST direct response to you. If your response to my post is not based on logic, , AT MY DISCRETION you shall stayed ignored in perpetuity!

That said, this is my response to your interpretation below:

PART ONE

(all underlined mine)

First, this is laughable logic. I keep asking you what school did you finish from? We have read the entire 21 chapters, TenQ. Let us even zero it down to the specific Chapter 1.

Remember Judges 1 narrates the events after the death of Joshua (Judges 1:1)? Also, Chapter 1:17 - 18 talks about the same event and Judah's victory, is that not correct? In fact, a portion of the same verse 19 which your interpretation did not cover talks about Judah being victorious against the hill people . Go a step further to verse 20, ostensibly talking about the same event, and you will see that it was the victory of the people of Judah (in preceding verses 17 - 19) that enabled Caleb gain the land of Hebron as promised by Moses.

To drive home the point: the whole of Chapter 1 verses 1 - 36 expressly makes no mention of Judah's faithlessness. After Chapter 1 is 2, am I correct? And I suppose that they follow logical sequence. Is that correct to assume as well? If that is so, let us go on to Judges 2:6, this is what the Bible tells us:

The people served the Lord throughout the lifetime of Joshua and of the elders who outlived him and who had seen all the great things the Lord had done for Israel.

This makes perfect sense and gives and wholistic interpretation to Chapter 1 that AT THE TIME JUDAH WAS UNABLE TO DRIVE OUT THE PEOPLE OF THE PLAIN, YHWH WAS WITH THEM .

Again, let me invite you to read the following verses in Chapter 2:
10 After that whole generation had been gathered to their ancestors, another generation grew up who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel. [MY COMMENT: This is a generation of Joshua and the people who outlived him as mentioned in 2:7]

11 Then the Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord and served the Baals. (MY COMMENT: This is the first mention of Judah's unfaithfulness in the Book of Judges and the beginning of Judah's travails. If there is anywhere before in Chapter 1, please direct my attention to it.]

12 They forsook the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who had brought them out of Egypt. They followed and worshiped various gods of the peoples around them. They aroused the Lord’s anger .

So deriving a spiritual message from a period when they fall into disobedience to explain their defeat when they were faithful is being clever by half.

PART TWO


This assumes I want to continue with you. My dear, what did I get the other time I continued with you, was it not forging a statement, putting it in inverted comma and ascribing it to me? Did you know how many times I've pulled you out for lying? I took the pains to correct your interpretation of the verse so others who have the privilege to come to this thread and come this far would see it (and as Hissplendor has once told me that I will only deceive myself if I think my response on a public forum is for the recipient).

PART THREE
You have repeated this in its variants countlessly. But I think I will just make one point



To be fair you actually beat me. However, not with facts but forgery, lies and more lies and many more lies. In that aspect of forgery and telling lies, you are truly my nemeses! I think that should make you smile to bed?

Hopefully, this should be my last post in response to you and Hissplendor

If you have Histrionic Personality Disorder, I can pull up reputable professionals who would help you out. But crying in my mention is no cure. I think you understand that?

Should I say Shalom or Salaam? You pick one!

TenQ:
Dear Mr LegalWolf,
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You must answer the question below FIRST for us to continue!
PART TWO:
When Mohammed lost the Battle of Uhud with his set of front teeth, was Allah with him or not?

Please, straight to the answer: then we can continue else, have a nice day!

HisSplendor:
He has refused to answer. He's a wolf indeed.

elated177:
John 6: 43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Yahushua answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

TenQ, you need to listen to the word of Yahushua the Messiah, whose servant you say you are. There is no compulsion in the Glad Tiding. YHVH Almighty is the only one who can draw people to his Word. The role of the saint, priest, servant, follower and messenger of YHVH Almighty is to disseminate the Truth. It is the prerogative of the hearer to either accept or reject what he or she hears. After all, at the end of the age, each person will answer for his or her actions here on earth.



That question has no bearing on my righteous walk. His answer will not have any single bearing on my righteous walk. If you don't think so, tell me how and in what way(s) both the question and his answer will impact my righteous walk. If you do, then I may ask him.

It appears you two are in some kind of competition?

LegalWolf:
Although directed at a potential thief TenQ (you possibly may frown at this as you have been respectful to me so far) and not me, I think I will use this opportunity to answer your question as well.

We are not in any competition of any sort. If you notice, I have directly stopped engaging him apart from mentioning him and calling him a potential thief (with reasons given previously). What ought to be an interesting and respectful conversation about faith turned into lies, deliberate falsehoods, forgery, hypocrisy and what not. And I think the fact that he rather made it appear that he is after the truth and not to win an argument and my strong personal conviction not to engage a fraudulent liar about faith made the conversation even longer. But anyways, my conviction still stands irrespective of the tantrums he throws.

As you are convinced of your faith, I am tempted to assert that I am a 1000x more convinced on the righteousness of my path. And as neither what I will say will impact your 'righteous work' no matter how logically convincing it is. Or would it? I should suppose that neither would yours impact mine. So, it would be an endless circle of argument (to the extent that no one deliberately forges or tell lies).

In any event, I await your response and see if it meets the benchmark of logic. If it does, I may explain further. But if not, I think it will be adieu at this stage.

cc:
Tempted to call this bro a potential thief, but I should sheathe my sword for a while (unsure it will be permanent. TenQ
Hissplendor

elated177:
Should my response anger and hurt you so deeply?

I am not engaging in any further discourse with you.