Kobojunkie: Marriage, according to Genesis 2 vs 24 is simply an agreement between a man and woman to become husband and wife(marriage). The very same husband and wife on whom the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 is placed on by God.. Implicated are the very same husband and wife(one) that is a marriage.
God didn't place that curse on single women or single men in that instance, but on men and women in marriage(husband and wife) .I.e. on marriage itself.
God cursed the Serpent God cursed the Earth God cursed the Woman God cursed the Man
If you are, your testimony is an exceptional case. Normally, I recommend not less than six months of courtship before marriage. I also recommend some form of extended marriage counseling before marriage.
In your case (if this is you), You were both most likely of age and God saw the sincerity of your hearts. God therefore arranged a miracle. Your case is an exception.
Boyfriend and girlfriend in the church this days are common because most pastors no longer teach on morals so they can have the crowd. It's quite unfortunate.
It's amazing when you see an intending couple who have dated for five years and have no clear understanding of how they have designed their home to be. We come across that a lot. We've also met a fewer number of couples who are serious about their marital future and are consciously working towards attaining it.
Kobojunkie: 1. God's simple principle to all men is that marriage is an agreement between a man and a woman... that is all that God ever told individuals as far as what to do with marriage.
As for your principles, so many churchians cling like as though gold better than God's simple formulae. They submit themselves to the will of your church marriage committees and millions of them go as far as to marry from only within the same church group they belong to, and embark on raising even their children in the same environment they were themselves indoctrination into so they can, by following your principles, raise what they refer to as "godly" children.
All that yet compared to the world, Churchians do not rank any different from the world were marital problems are concerned. Meaning following all of the doctrines and traditions of men, which Jesus Christ said were nothing but lies, indeed do not bring you anywhere closer to God in anyway or form - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13
2. There is no vitamin deficiency issue here. Simply denial of your part as you seem all too quick to throw under the bus those Churchians who followed your churchian rules only to stil end up in failed marriages. You all glorify marriage almost to point you believe it opens the door to Heaven itself to you. So understandably, hearing that God Himself rendered it unholy even before you lot got a chance at it is quote a shock..., I get it!
3. I already did. They are none of them of God. That is the one and only fault that matters.
So sorry to hear these from you. How you read the bible, only you can understand!
Kobojunkie: 1. Did you know that even those who are single and also believe can and do commit adultery against God - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28?
Adultery is a sin because God says so. It is as simple as that.
2. Even the verse you previously quoted in no way suggests what you claim. As I already stated before, in the Kingdom of God , sin is disobedience against God, not men.
3. God did not say having sex with a harlot makes you one with a harlot. He instead said marriage is an agreement between a man and a woman and the two become one when they are joined. If you do not have an agreement with the harlot to becoming man and wife how can you become one with her by having sec with her?
Jesus Christ never said that either. You should stop confusing the doctrines and traditions of your pastors and mogs with God's word abeg.
4. Most of you don't even bother to pay attention to the message revealed to you in context, you pick and run with whatever you like without careful thought. What Jesus Christ said of two becoming one, He revealed was God's design for marriage in the beginning- Genesis 2 vs 24 - and in that same He explained that it is two becoming one flesh, not spirit. Flesh and Spirit are not one and the same - never have and never will be! So again, there's nothing Spiritual about marriage.
Also, the beginning that Jesus Christ spoke of ended in Genesis 3 vs 16 when God cursed marriage, rendering it unholy as a result.
5. Again, there is nothing Spiritual about your marriages, not according to God Himself, and certainly not according to Jesus Christ.
Only you can see how God cursed marriage! I tire for you o!
All you have to do is go back and prove me wrong by showing that God didn't in fact say any of what I claim. Regarding your earlier claim that sleeping with a harlot makes you one with a harlot. Guess what, even in God's Old Law, that claim is not born of Truth. In Deuteronomy 22 vs 28 - 29, it is written that a rapist who rapes a woman should be forced to marry her afterwards.
If marriage is simply the union of two bodies in sex, then surely God wouldn't have had to ask that the rapist be forced to marry his victim, or would He? Jesus Christ warned His followers against submitting themselves to the doctrines and traditions(rules) of men(and their churches) , lies, which only serve to distance them from the Truth of God and renders their worship of God of no meaning - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.
1. Do both of you have common interest and opinions? 2. Do you have the same spiritual foundation? For example, marriage between a Deeper Life member and that of a Christ Embassy member fully committed will not work. 3. Is the person your friend? Don't marry a stranger. 4. Is he or she fully grounded in the love of God? When everything else fails, it is God's love that will keep the relationship. People who are grounded in the love of God finds it easy to forgive. They make apologies when they are wrong. They think about their partner first. 5. Is he or she fully committed to work of the kingdom? Don't marry someone who will draw you back from serving God. 6. Does he have a job for the man? He does not have to be a millionaire. But a job or business that should take care of basic needs. 7. Is she industrious for the woman? Don't marry a woman who does nothing. 8. Do you know his or her family background? 9. Has he or she be married before? 10. Does he or she have kids outside marriage? 11. What kind of influence do the parents have on him or her. Some in laws will make your marriage a living hell.
Above all, pray fervently before making a decision on marrying anyone. As you pray, listen to your heart and not your head.
I agree perfectly with you on these. Unfortunately, instead of having a Serious Courtship , young people do boy-friend and girl-friend.
2. Do you have the same spiritual foundation? For example, marriage between a Deeper Life member and that of a Christ Embassy member fully committed will not work.
I laughed so hard on your quote above. Deeper life member and Christ Embassy members could both be serious Christians. But doctrinally, they are oil and water. They must clash on several issues.
Toshybabs: So what would you say about 2 Corinthians 6:14 that clearly states "do not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever"? The bible has given us very clear instructions, we shouldn't twist is to fit into our opinion. God is very much concerned about every aspect of our lives as his children and so he can never leave you as his child to become partners with someone he does not recognize as his own
Don't mind kobojunkie. He has a warped understanding of the bible. His old testament is only for the sons of Jacob. His new testament stops at the book of John. His doctrines are uniquely his alone and even very simple doctrinal issues are as twisted as his mind!
Kobojunkie: 1. Jesus Christ gave to us a New Covenant and He even warned His followers of the disaster that ensues when they attempt to mix Old Wine with New Wine meaning those of Jewish decent were to cease following the Old Covenant Law once they adopted the New Covenant.
2. I am afraid you are mistaken. Again, Jesus Christ said your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - your marriages have absolutely nothing to do with Heaven, never have. God instituted marriage in Genesis 2 vs 24 , and then cursed marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16, rendering it unholy as a result of His judgment. That which is unholy cannot be of Heaven. And as I stated earlier regarding even the sin of Adultery, it is not against man that one sins but against God. So, unless you think Jesus Christ a liar, Jesus Christ never made any such conclusion as you claim.
3. There is nothing spiritual about marriage to begin with and fornication is simply a breach of the marriage agreement/contract.
If nothing is spiritual about marriage, why is adultery a sin? If nothing is spiritual about marriage, why did Jesus say a divorced woman who remarried commited adultery against her first husband? If marriage is not spiritual, why is it that having sex with a harlot makes one one with a harlot? If marriage is not spiritual, how is Jesus mathematics logical as He said: "the two become one flesh"?
Marriage is a legal, physical and spiritual union of a man and woman who decide to live together as FAMILY!
Kobojunkie: More than half of those out there in your churches miserable in their marriage also swear they got approval from God.
Many of them have wonderful stories of how it was God that brought them together with their current spouse top. So maybe it is better to seek God's understanding instead.
You should have found out how many of those Christians with bad marriages followed the principles outlined. A Medical personel who has vitamin deficiency should not blame the medical profession or knowledge but his own disregard for such knowledge. So it is with marriage amongst Christians
I've asked you to fault each of the guidelines stated
Kobojunkie: 1. Ofcourse Jesus Christ didnt come to abolish the Old Law meaning that those who are born of the blood of Jacob are even to this day born bound to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses. Also, the fact the Old Covenant Law of Moses is not God's Law to Christians also remains True even to this day.
2. Jesus Christ called His followers away from their jobs, careers, positions etc. And He had them follow Him around for years, from place to place, teaching them to do God's work instead. He taught that they no longer work to feed themselves perishable bread but instead focus their lives on earning eternal food which only He can give to them. So, yes, I am afraid you are not, like Jesus Christ said, meant to work for your daily perishable bread but instead focus your energy on gaining the eternal food instead.
In other words, Christians are not expected to obey the ten commandments
Kobojunkie: 3. Adultery is a sin against God, not against man. In the case you sighted. The woman already divorced, commits sin of adultery in the event that the reason reason divorcing her ex was not fornication.
Nowhere in the context are you told her divorce isn't recognised by God.
She divorced her husband Then She married another husband But Jesus conclusion was that her divorce is not recognised in heaven. She commits adultery against her first husband.
Is there any other reason other than fornication whereby a divorce is spiritually legal?
Kobojunkie: 1. Again, God gave the Old Covenant Law of Moses only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins as their National Constitution in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. All 613 statutes, including what you call the 10 commandments were packaged and handed over by God to Jacob's descendants alone. So unless you think God was being foolish for intentionally excluding gentiles from that Covenant, I suggest you understand why it is important you honor God's decree for what it is.
2. What God gave instead to Christians is His New Covenant and Law, Jesus Christ, as Constitution for those who are of the Kingdom of God. He, Jesus Christ is God's Wisdom and Truth in the Kingdom of God, the Christ in the word "Christian. .
3. Christians are those who live in obedience to Jesus Christ's teaching and commandments, so any advice you direct at them ought to comply with the teachings(commandments) of Him which commands them..
Here is what Jesus said with respect to the law and prophets Mat 5:17-19: "Think not that I have come to abolish the law, or the prophets: for I have come not abolish, but to complete. For verily I say to you, Till heaven pass away, and earth, one iota, or one mark, should not pass away from the law, till all should be. Whoever therefore, should loose one of the least of these commands, and so teach men, he shall be called least in the kingdom of the heavens: but whoever should do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens."
If Jesus did not come to abolish them, their principles still hold.
Kobojunkie: 4. Actually yes, Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him do not work for perishable food, but instead work for food that endures to eternity - John 6 vs 25 - 33. He called His followers to abandoning their careers/jobs, families, friends, reputations etc., for this purpose. Jesus said those of them who would attempt to save their lives - jobs, possessions etc., - will lose ig and those who lose it all for His sake will save it.
Does this mean that Jesus forbid Christians working for their daily bread. (Jesus did not once teach about people working)
Kobojunkie: 5. Jesus Christ never taught what you claim as the permanence or marriage. Yes , God hates marriage but God never declared marriage a sin, not in His Old Covenant, and neither in His New Covenant. So, yes, a follower of Jesus Christ can marry anyone they please.
Can you please explain how a divorced woman can commit adultery against her ex-husband by marrying another man? Mar 10:12: "And if a woman should loose her husband, and be married to another,she commits adultery."
Please explain why the divorce didn't get recognised by God
Toshybabs: As humans, we tend to believe that the life we live is ours and so we can do whatever it is we please and make decisions without putting God first, this is why a lot of us make mistakes that could be avoided if only we had asked God especially in marriage.
You are right my sister. One of the reason God chose Abraham was because of raising godly descendant Gen 18:19: "For I have chosen him, so that he may teach his children and the sons of his house after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and fair, so the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has promised him.""
A bad marriage is a recipe for failure in this respect
Toshybabs: We're often times blinded by our own desires and flesh that we tend to push away the voice of God. By God's grace, I want to have a marriage based on God's approval and standard, it is by this I am assured of a beautiful christian home filled with love and peace
I pray the Lord honour you with answers to your prayers!
Weirdlycute: Valid point!!!!!Many young people of our time end up making grave mistakes when it comes to christian marriage.... I also one day want to marry right and this has set a perspective for me and would further help me seek God's approval for the right person........
Nice observation sis. I pray that the Lord be your guide and wisdom Mat 11:19: ".....!' But wisdom shows itself to be right by what it does."
Kobojunkie: 1. As you rightly said, that law was given by God only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins, and is of no real benefit to any one who claims to be Christian.
I hope you aren't one of those who believe that the OT has no value for Christians. We might also say that the 10 commandments are not binding on Christians but Jews!
God gave the reason and it remains WISDOM for Christians who applies the principles!
Kobojunkie: 2. There is no such thing as a "Christian" marriage to begin with. Jesus Christ made this more than clear when He declared that your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36. Recall, that you enter into the Kingdom of God there moment you become born-again - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - so also understand that what Jesus Christ also implies is there is nothing sacred to God of your marriages.
I am Sure you didn't see me writing about Christian Marriage. My writeup is an advice to unmarried Christians on PRINCIPLES to use in determining the right person for them to marry.
Kobojunkie: 3. Jesus Christ gave His followers no obligations as far as who they can or can't be married to. It is really as simple as that. Jesus Christ never even stipulated that marriage should only take place only with explicit approval from God. What this means is a Christian is free to marry as he or she sees fit.
Jesus didn't ask us to work to eat: in fact Jesus said we should not be anxious of tomorrow for tomorrow will take care of itself. (Does this mean that Jesus doesn't want Christians to do daily work?) Jesus taught the PERMANENCE of marriage as God hates divorce.
If divorce may only be possible by adultery, should a Christian marry just ANYONE?
No wonder, after hearing Jesus's teaching about marriage, the disciples said: Mat 19:10: "His disciples say to him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry."
Kobojunkie: God's one and only stipulation as far as marriage is concerned is that the man and woman in question agree to becoming a couple.
It doesn't matter to God whether you think the person you married is what you claim , a child of God or not, this since God never told any of His own that they should marry only other children of God. So all the questions in bold are instead left by God to individuals to decide for themselves as well.
Here is what God said to the children of Israel and the reason Deu 7:3-4: "Neither shall you make marriages with them; your daughter you shall not give to his son, nor his daughter shall you take to your son. For they will turn away your son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy you suddenly."
Kobojunkie: Even right there in your churches, divorce rate is pretty much the same 50% it is for those out in the world, so no amount of godly delusions wil force a good marriage. And God never promise us good marriages to begin with. I always refer folks back to the story of Hosea for a dose of reality check.
The only people who call Jesus Lord are Christians. Unfortunately, many are not known by Christ.
Wisdom is profitable to direct. With wisdom a war is waged.
What is the probability that a Christian marriage will succeed if EVERY guide I stated was breached?
Let me put them in perspective for you. A Christian Woman chose to get married a man who is
1. A self acclaimed child of satan? 2. Does NOT Love, Fear and Obey God? 3. Does NOT love her and does NOT understand what Love is? 4. The man is Irresponsible and lack Respect from ALL persons? 5. the person does NOT care about knowing God and His words? 6. the person is NOT a disciple of Christ? 7. the person is NOT Mature Emotionally, Physically, Financially, Educationally, Mentally etc
The final point is the most important: 8. God has NOT given her approval to marry this person?
What's your take about the advice in quote for Christians?
Speaklove: Good inspiration only if people would allow it into their hearts and use it to propagate their decisions
Unfortunately not. The average young Christian is moved by sight. She is looking for the tall, dark and rich dude while He is looking for the slim, pretty and beautiful girl
That's how people marry the "make-up" and not the real person.
Proverbs 3:5-6 5Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; 6in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight
I strongly advocate that before a child of God say "I do!" such must have done his/her foundational work well Some of the Question a Child of God must ask himself/Herself and be sure of the answer 1. Is the person a child of God? 2. Does the person Love, Fear and Obey God? 3. Does the person love Me and understand what Love is? 4. IS the person Responsible and Respectable by ALL? 5. Is the person on the path of knowing God and His words More? 6. Is the person a disciple of Christ? 7. Is the person Mature Emotionally, Physically, Financially, Educationally, Mentally etc
The final point is the most important: 8. Has God given me approval to marry this person?
When the foundation is wrong, every other thing built on it would be wrong. Marriage is a permanent union Marriage is done with a vow of commitment to God and each other
Born2winKingOG: I Know how odd this might sound, with alot of people trooping in to insult me with all sorts of names calling, like I should go and hustle for my own and stop having entitlement mindset on someone's else's property..but you see..I will never relent..am here for those who have logical advise to give to me...so your insults is for yourself and you alone.
My father has been selling his landed properties since 2006, since I was still a little boy.. my fore fathers were among those founders who discovered our town...so huge landed estates were passed down to our lineage...up to this moment my uncle's and aunts have their own share of land intacts... but my dad has almost sold All his own.
*He sold to marry a new wife in 2009
*He sold to develop a small plot in 2011
*he sold to collect a chieftaincy title in 2015
and many combined little selling he's been doing, I had no ideal of
fast forward to 7years later he's left with little plots and some he took from loan defaulters, just this morning I got a call from my elder sister that my dad is about selling the little plot left... I asked to do what, she said she doesn't know yet. As at now am really angry hence me asking if there's anything we the children can do to stop my dad from selling the little plots left even though it's his.. he's the owner, don't we have a say? isn't there any legal law that can stop him.
A friend of mine he's Still enjoying wealth his grand Father left for his father and his father to him, all he did was just to renovate them and dude is packing more than a millionaire yearly from those estate. why would mine be different. Davido did well because his father's a big man who gave him a starting point, same with jowi zaza that guy can never go broke because of his father...
note: I don't think he's trying to wicked us, I know he won't sell all.. but at least the one he had sold his more than the one left... and it won't be enough to share to my siblings and I.... if he leaves this world today... why would he still be selling more. ( am not praying for him to die or anything...but life is common sense) is not a bad thing if a parent gives his children a starting point like his father did.
Besides it doesn't make sense for me to be looking for land to buy when my family is known as one of the owners of the town...my cousin's are even talking behind our back.
legal advice needed please
Your father has every right under the law over his own properties. Until he legally wills the properties to you, bro, you have NOTHING!
West made an horrible mistake resettling Jews back to middle east after holocaust and 5 million jews massacred by Adolf Hitler's soldiers
Just like Fulanis and Almajiri after few centuries, modern day Isrealis would relocate again to another continent to cause trouble and tell others Jehovah gave them other people's land
They relocated from Middle east to Africa during the days of Pharaoh of Egypt, it ended in chaos for Egyptian with plaque and fermine
They relocated from Middle east to Europe, it ended in world war with Adolf Hitler killing 5 million jews
They are back in the middle east after over a thousand years of migrating around, yet peaceful middle east has turned chaotic
Now their next move is to Join African Union, to bring their wahala back to Africa, But South Africa and Egypt voted against them
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And the relics of their ownership of the land litters the who region while the so-called Palestinians cannot find a history earlier that 1943!
janejjjjj5000: I am tired. I have a better view of marriage. He is not meeting up. My children are saying that the way he talks when upsets affects them. The children cry and he apologizes to all of us. I know I sound confused but I am just tired. I feel that my children will not be seeing this when we divorce. That is why I don't want the marriage anymore. I just want all round peace. I am tired.
Aren't you making a basic mistake about "your" children!?
The children are not "yours" but BOTH of you. You both have responsibilities over the children. If you have concerns about "your" children, does he also have any concerns?
Have you considered the damage divorce will do to your children? Do you think they hate their father?
Repair your marriage as EVERY marriage in the world have their own different challenge!
Pele10: There is somthing the western mediea's are not letting us know In this russia invasion of ukraine.. How come some countries like china, india, pakistan,blarus now ethiopia are surpportive of russia. Maybe putin is as bad as we are made to belive.
Both USA and Russia is bad.
Only in the case of Ukraine, the bad country is Russia.
Did Russia not militarily take Cremia from Ukraine in 2014? Did Putin not sponsor the Dombas region to declare independence from Ukraine since 2014?
Do you think NATO, the EU or USA has been this wicked to a sovereign nation Ukraine?
olugabbie: There is nothing special about the defenders. They survive till this day because of the support the are getting from the West. Ukraine started receiving weapon from the West in 2014. The West promise Russia that it will make the war costly for her and this is what is happening now.
Support Of course. This is a normal part of war: to have alliances in times of trouble. Ukraine had good alliances in European Union countries and NATO. Russia's had passive support from China and India.
Do you blame Ukraine for having strong alliances? That was the initial reason they wanted to join NATO (to be safe from Russia).
Too bad Russia is given a bloody nose by a Comedian
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Know Who To Marry As A Christian by TenQ(op): 7:37pm On Apr 25, 2022
