₦airaland Forum

Workch:
its good you have corrected yourself on the cell and organelle thing. Now I can address your other points.

Your question is not about evolution. Ask a question about the topic “Evolution”. Your question is about abiogenesis which obviously not the topic.

I’m waiting for you to ask a question on theory of evolution. It’s also embarrassing that you can not differentiate evolution from abiogenesis as a topic

SlyDev:
If Nigeria want to make their money stronger, they need to stop importing and start manufacturing to export

But the last time Buhari closed border to boost local production, some bigots said he is targeting a tribe.

Workch:
So why are you now saying a cell have “specialized cell” for excretion?
Are you dumb


how can a microbe have specialized cell for excretion? Product of bad education

Workch:
So why are you now saying a cell have “specialized cell” for excretion?
Are you dumb

Workch:
its an embarrassment that I have to teach a grown up man parts of cells. Study the image below of plant and animal cell to understand what a vacuole is

Nawa o
This won’t be happening if you paid attention in integrated science

MaxInDHouse:
Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis of the first century were humans like you and i so they are also created in the image of God, yet they know what the scriptures say from Genesis to Malachi but they were never equipped for fine WORKS as men trained through God's Holy Spirit! 2Timothy 3:17

The only evidence Jesus had over them is the fine WORKS of preaching zealously and industriously teaching to make disciples who are lovingly, joyfully and peacefully working with him in the first century Jewish society back then not his arguments!

So if you're not able to present a family of peace loving worshipers just as Jesus did {Matthew 12:46-50} then all your arguments on LETTERS is useless because the SPIRIT that's moving faithful people into action is missing in your gatherings! 2Corinthians 3:6

Workch:
Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Microbes have specialized cells for excreting, do you know anything at all?

Microbes are unicellular organisms themselves, I have always told you to stop talking science.
Microbes excrete by passively or actively transporting waste proceducr via vacuoles between the extracellular fluid and the cytoplasm.

How can you say microbes have specialized cells to do excretions?
Guy why can’t you just simply ask for basic explanation for things?

How can a unicellular organisms have specialized cells for excretion?

It is still this same you that doesn’t know what an organ is

Someone that doesn’t know basic cellular biology now wants to talk about evolution

Workch:
I am an expert in this field dude.
I have background in biochemistry, so this is literally my field.
I have sequenced several proteins and mapped many genes in my course of study. If you want to have discussion with me in molecular biology or biochemistry then you can be my guest because you will be lost. You barely can differentiate organs from organelles.

There’s literally nothing you want to tell me about metabolism in organisms either prokaryotes or eukaryotes that I don’t know and I don’t see the point you are trying to make with this post.

All living things are the same at the molecular level, it’s evidence that they evolved from a common ancestor.

IamHeWrites:
A Nigerian-based lesbian has sparked reactions online for recording an altercation with her mother over her sexuality, Igbere TV reports.

Workch:
Irreducible complexity has been debunked by that already.
You can remove some parts of a system and it’s still functions, however some parts are very vital to the function of that system.

We have evidence that if nature removes a part of the brain, it will function in another way. If you remove a part of the heart naturally it will function in another way which makes your comparison with a car ridiculous.

Reptiles have just two chambers of heart compared to humans with 4 and it still functions. If nature removes two chambers of the heart over time, it will function like a reptilian heart.

If nature removes the brain overtime, it will function like seen in invertebrates. Everything will be reduced and still function. If nature removes the neocortex part of the brain that is responsible for higher function and consciousness then you will hav a function similar to Lowe vertebrates.

So irreducible complexity is nonsense and the comparison with a car is a product of low IQ. The removal of any part of a system in nature will either cause it to lose its function or make it function in another way depending on natural selection.
And that’s basically what evolution teaches. Arguing with irreducible complexity is lame, it has been discarded in science since it was invented by Behe

MaxInDHouse:
Mr/Mrs TenQ,
I know you are not equipped enough for this i'm only responding for the benefit of other followers of the thread who may love to know the truth.
Sajenaija your friend knows what we are capable of doing with our book (Bible) that's why he's feeling insecure with all the knowledge he has accumulated that's neither useful to him nor his neighbours. That's why he purposely called us out to try his ability.

So just as you've said earlier, go and continue arguing with your fellow trinitarians on who knows your TRINITY better among yourselves. As for JWs our Master Lord and King is Christ Jesus who is the Archangel Michael!

Workch:
You are making argument from irreducible complexity of intelligent design.
It’s false that if you remove one part of a bacteria organelle that it must stop functioning.
If one part of an organelle is removed naturally, it either stop functioning, acts as a vestigial organelle or served another function.

This argument you are using was put forward by a controversial Colleuge of mine called Michael Behe and he use the flagellum of a bacteria to make his points. He has been disproven by with evidence that a bacteria flagellum is not irreducibly complex, if the motor of a flagellum is removed, it could still serve as an organelle for insemination of toxins and other proteins as seen many bacteria.

The matter of irreducible complexity is also false in terms of vestigial organs.
If I remove your appendix, you will still function properly.
If I remove your tonsils, you will still function properly.
If u remove Your coccyx, you will function properly. So what’s the irreducible complexity in this?

So the equivalence with a car part is false and doesn’t work like that in nature. Cars do not adapt to changing environment conditions like living cells. It’s a false equivalence fallacy

Workch:
But asking how species came into existence is not a topic in evolution.

That’s like another topic entirely and science doesn’t have that answer. What we are sure about is that evolution happened and it’s still happened.
We don’t know for sure how the first species came and evolution is not the topic to discusss that and this thread doesn’t aim at discussing that either.

chinasaekpere:
Evolution is not a topic that aims to explain how the first specie came to be.
That's like creating another topic entirely. This topic is meant to discuss evolution of specie and not the origin of life

Workch:
Your number 2 point goes further to present the evidence that all species have common origin.

All living-things are the same at the molecular level. They have the same nucleic acid backbone and similar form of metabolism which is directed by the instructions in the DNA.
If you take a “glucose kinase” enzyme, (one of the key enzymes for the metabolism of glucose) from a bacteria and compare it to that from Humans, you will still see similarities in their amino acid sequences. If you go further to study their DNA sequence, you will find similarities in their nuclear bases, there’s no other logical way to explain that unless in the light of evolution but for someone who believes in magic, he may want to invoke a spiritual being into it.

TenQ:
Just two simple questions:
1. Can you please explain how chemicals acquired CONSCIOUSNESS?
2. All living things have organs that
i. Take in Energy
ii. Digest and store the energy
iii. Excretes wastes as a result of digestion of energy source
iv. Possess means of replicating themselves
All the above have to be simultaneously present for an organism to be alive. Therefore, did all these systems EVOLVE separately or simultaneously in the first living organisms.

I am willing to learn please, not for any argument: I've been practicing critical thinking lately!

chinasaekpere:
This is the postulate of Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection, kindly point to which is false there and stop asking bogus questions that are meaningless to this discussion. You just keep confusing yourself because evolution doesn’t aim at explaining what you are talking about.

1) Individuals within species are variable;

2) Some of these variations are passed on to offspring;
3) In every generation, more offspring are produced than can survive; and
4) The survival and reproduction of individuals are not random; the individuals who survive and go on to reproduce the most are those with the most favorable variation, and they are naturally selected.

MaxInDHouse:
"having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away" 2Timothy 3:5

People claiming they know God but have nothing to show as FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in their midst, please turn away from them.
JWs have LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} when you think of the religious group that's quietly going without huge religious titles but have LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering only Jehovah's Witnesses fit in this description! James 2:18-26
That's why we don't have anything to do with all of you who are claiming Christians saying you're performing miracles but there is no FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in your gatherings!

"And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light" 2Corinthians 11:14

Back in the 70s and 80s we use to watch some people on TV performing magic and the shows we do enjoy back then, but where are they now? Well they're no more performing their magical acts on TV or stage shows rather they are now disguising as Men of God performing their magical acts in worship centers to attract viewers who will pay them tenth part of their earnings unlike before when they used to perform for stipends they're now living big, buying estates and private jets all in the name of performing miracles in Jesus name!

Guy come and let's teach you the meaning of what is written in that book (Bible) it belongs to us, so no matter what you quote or cite in it we will teach you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION so that everyone can SEE clearly what it means!

Wisdomkosi:
https://igberetvnews.com/1406860/president-buhari-done-igbos-apc-pdp-nollywood-actor-kenneth-okonkwo/

MaxInDHouse:
I love this!
Over 8.7 million people from all races on this planet have used the scriptures to settle all their racial disparities, they now have the same line of thought due to their agreement on their study of God's word, they've agreed to erase the use of weapons for good, they're using their resources for the production of food and information materials, and zealously they're making sure that whoever wish can get the needed information materials for free! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
Jesus foretold that during the last days there will be many false religions causing confusion killing one another and claiming they have faith in the God of love {Matthew 24:9-12} but what will Jesus' true disciples do during that time? They will have love for their neighbours just as they love to live {Mark 12:31} they will have love for their fellow believers just as Jesus love them {John 13:34-35} they will be neutral in all the ongoing killings caused by Satan and his demons {John 15:19; 17:14} and because of their stand not to support either sides during clashes people throughout the earth will stigmatize them {Matthew 10:22} despite all these they will endure all these trouble till the end! Matthew 23:13-14

Now the one and only organization of people practicing all these today is Jehovah's Witnesses. So if after studying the Bible they're able to direct from the scriptures that the spirit leading them to achieve all of this is the Archangel Michael who happens to be the one standing for the salvation of God's people {Daniel 12:1} whoever thinks they are wrong only need to do one thing: PRESENT A BETTER PERFORMING GROUP THAN THEM. In the absence of that anyone criticizing what they say surely is part of the wicked Daniel says will not understand the end time! Daniel 12:10

May you have PEACE!

chinasaekpere:
Your questions are out of point and it’s deliberately looking for loopholes.
Whether or not chemicals have cautiousness, Whether or not God is the maker of cautiousness doesn’t disprove the evidence in DNA and fossil records that evolution is fact.

I’m not arguing that God doesn’t exist, I also believe in God. my argument is that evolution is fact and evolution doesn’t aim to explain how chemicals got cautiousness. It’s distracting question with little substance.

The fact that all living system have similar way of digest molecules and we found the source of this in the DNA is a pointer to the fact that they share common ancestor

sagenaija:
You're right. That's what we see here.

chinasaekpere:
“Believers” pay little attention to facts. They are locked into the addiction of religion.

Why do people believe in god?

I believe the biggest reason is fear.

It is to avoid the existential terror of living in an uncaring, unfeeling, non-sentient universe in which death is final, in which bad things can happen without warning to good people, in which good things can happen to bad people, in which there is no protection and very limited control over our fates. At any moment, things can go wrong: We can fall seriously ill, be attacked and mugged, raped, or killed, hit by a train, etc. This feeling of helplessness is difficult to live with.

Now religion, illogical though it may be, is carefully constructed to protect believers from this harsh reality. It provides the concept of an afterlife to insulate us from the finality of death, and to reassure us that pains and problems of this life will be “made up for” by some glorious fantasy future of eternity in heaven. It helps keep some people in line by threatening them with eternal torture in hell. It provides a theoretically loving “Sky-Daddy” who can do miracles and magically extricate us from trouble. Some people find great comfort in this belief.

Therefore, they are willing to overlook a lot. The self-contradictions in the bible. The need for ‘faith,’ or in other words, the willingness to believe with neither scientific evidence nor proof. The embarrassing fact that, for example, the churches have a long history of repression and oppression of people. When they are totally immersed in the fantasy, they develop a strong dependency upon it. This is called religious faith.

Now, an addict is so wedded to the thing to which they’re addicted that ‘truth’ plays no part in it. Evolution deniers comprise only a fraction of believers, by the way. Not all people who believe in god deny evolution; the pope himself has acknowledged that it is true. But the people without enough sophistication to understand that the bible is not a factual, historical document, but a symbolic and allegorical work, may interpret it literally, and for them, the theory of evolution contradicts the bible. Faced with a choice between the drug of religion and facts, they will choose the drug every time.

sagenaija:
[size=6pt][/size]
I would have expected that "weak points" would be the easiest to face and debunk. But we know when a person is unable to face and counter sound arguments; he looks for excuses and other ways out.

You guys seem to major in ridiculing and making jest of others. Is it part of your doctrine in your organisation?

We know when people have nothing to say and run for cover. We know.

A little story for you: The evangelist who preached at the programme the late Billy Graham accepted Christ was said to have had only ONE convert that day - the late Billy Graham. But what happened later? The same Billy Graham went on to bring in millions to God. If people like you were at the venue of the evangelist program I'm sure you would have declared him a failure.
But in the years to come his success spoke.

In a discussion DappaD, FOCUS ON THE FACTS, MAN! Focus on the facts! Ridicule only belittle you.

Kobojunkiee:
Wrong! The man is instead the fool here thinking spending on a woman buys him access to sex.

If sex was indeed his intention from the start, there are other more direct ways for him to have gotten that. His post only showcased his foolishness.

Iyaebe:
The man is all wrong here,when did paid vacation=sex?was it in their agreement? You can agree to go on a vacation with someone and still not have sex and the man has no right to be angry or forceful about it,it's like asking her to trade her body for the vacation expenses and that is cheap and also an insult.

LordReed:
Provide some examples so I can understand what you are talking about.

LordReed:
LMAO! There you have it folks, we cannot probe their beliefs because it is out of their hands yet they truly believe it all. Ok o, just note what you have said here for future reference. LMFAO!

TenQ:
Some verified NDE accounts show the contrary.
That is why some scientists would rather death be redefined away from the standard lack of electrical activities in the brain.

When some peoples OBE's are reporting real events outside the location of their bodies, a serious doubt is created in the standard scientific narration; don't you think so?
The problem you are highlighting here is repeatability of both NDE and OBE experiences. Unfortunately, there seem to be no form of predictability in their outcomes.

There is no methodology one can propose over what you have no control over!
Meaning that they are not subject to scientific studies.

Even when one is casting out demons from a person, you don't have any control over what will happen or how it will happen. No one does!

LordReed:
I didn't say you used it. I was using clearly established facts which you were rubbishing as lame. It has been clearly established that the mind is a product of the brain, no brain no mind but you called that lame when you can't even give any clearly established facts yourself.

LordReed:
Creates what doubt other than the criteria for knowing that a person is dead needs to be fine tuned because obviously our current level of instrumentation is not enough to see that these people are not dead yet. In some cases they are not even dead merely having what seems like an OBE. In all the places they have tested these NDEs by putting unseen messages directly above the patient, not one person has come back and reported what those messages are. So there clearly is no independent part of the human travelling during those episodes or else they would have seen those messages and reported them back.

LordReed:
I ask for methodology but instead you produce one of the lamest analogies you could have chosen. For one a foetus cannot think so cannot conceptualise or problem solve. Secondly a foetus cannot even use its body not to talk of using tools so how would it detect anything.

We have challenges with some scientific concepts that you could have used as an analogy but instead you chose a very unanalogous situation. But beyond that I didn't ask you for an analogy, I asked you for a methodology or do you not know the difference between the two?

daddytime:
How about chopping off his head?

Bored humans...

It obviously makes him happy so, who am I to judge him.

LordReed:
And yours is even lamer. You cannot show how a body-less mind will communicate, you cannot show how you would go about establishing that nonphysical things exist yet you are saying what is clearly established is lame. LoL.

Lovelyn451:
Na chess get this long yoruba name....hehe

LordReed:
Those things will not exist without physical material ie your brain which is physical. We have never seen or experienced body-less minds, the very concept is not even coherent because a mind needs physical instruments in other to communicate and establish its presence. No body, no communication so how can a body-less mind even establish its presence?