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Workch:
Whether or not you give me reason, you still need evidence for your lies

Why do you think everyone on the earth should become a committed and practicing atheist like you?
WHat would be the advantage?

As a Christians, I can give you reasons why everyone on earth should become a committed and practicing Christian. But please, after you!

TriCee:
Lol,
Trust me, their data usage rate is still the same. The only difference is that most of y'all started subscribing to YouTube videos, streaming Instagram and Facebook videos as if it is free.

Before the advent of social media contents and videos, our data no dey ever finish, it would rather expire.

Thanks to numerous skit makers on the rise

It's not the same. You can easily do the experiment

1. Buy 1GB data from GLO and 1GB data from MTN

2. Download a 10GB movie from Youtube with your movie downloader

3. Watch how many MB of data you have downloaded before each network turn OFF due to insufficient data

If there is a way to sue them to COurt in Nigeria for robbing people of their data, I would have sued MTN. They are thieves of the highest order

jaeyking:
Oga stop unnecessary ranting

Check your data usage as monitored by your phone.

I was like this till I set my phone on daily data usage then I realized that na me dey drain my data.

Most videos you stream on Facebook are in 720pixels which is high mb some stream at 1080p.

So look for lesser pixels like 480 or 360p sef

No Sir,
MTN has a faster rate at which they use up your data.

My main data line used to be MTN until I saw that 2.3GB per day was running my pocket lean.
I have since last year exclusively used GLO (with heir poor service) but at least I don't use more than 10GB per month.

MTN steals peoples data: just compare with other networks and youll be convinced beyond reasonable doubt

.....AND NCC will not say anything about this!

Workch:
Same way you feel towards Flying Spaghetti Monster is how atheist feel towards your Christian lies.

It doesn’t make sense to us

On a serious note:
Why do you think everyone on the earth should become a committed and practicing atheist like you?
WHat would be the advantage?

As a Christians, I can give you reasons why everyone on earth should become a committed and practicing Christian. But please, after you!

Workch:
everyone does, there's evidence

Another lie in formulation!

On a serious note:
Why do you think everyone on the earth should become a committed and practicing atheist like you?
WHat would be the advantage?

As a Christians, I can give you reasons why everyone on earth should become a committed and practicing Christian. But please, after you!

tatatar:
Summary: God as a spirit, the rest are Angels and Demons(also Angels). What other spirits do you know apart from Angels?

1 God as a Spirit
2. angels of God and
Fallen angels
...and Principalities, Powers, Spiritual wicked spirits in high places
3. Cherubims, Seraphims and other heavenly beings
4. Unclean Spirits, Familiar Spirits, Demons
5. Even human beings have their spirit component
6. The 24 Elders etc

VeeVeeMyLuv:
These are just excuses and more excuses used by black market individuals and including banks unfortunately to add N50, N100, N200 on official rate, just to sell and make easy, sweatless profits.

what I am talking is the hardest thing but the only way. I know It is sounding ridiculous.

The people whose demand for dollar is for profit, hoarding or to guard against inflation, devaluation in the near future far outweigh those whose demands for dollar e.g PTA, travel, import business are genuine.

Infact left for me the value should be increased i.e go back to 200-300 naira to make it unattractive. Or even apply the redomination policy that Ghana did.

The problem of Nigeria is more than any monetary policy. Almost all we use is imported AND until we change that by producing what we use, we have no solution to our problems.

Don't forget that the same CBN said BDC was our problem, we found out it's not true.
Later they said it was AbokiFx that was determining the exchange rate. This one has been found to be untrue too.
Now, they say Banks are making money, but what we see is Naira being devalued.

Too much lies by the CBN and FG!
Re-denomination is a wasteful excercise for Nigeria as the basis of our economy is completely wrong

Workch:
i have evidence that he created us in his own image

You look like spaghetti!?

Workch:
its a spiritual food you cannot test.
You see that it's mysterious because the lord flying spaghetti monster works in mysterious ways.
Science cannot test such.
It's more mysterious to find you that this spiritual food created your God. Because you don't know doesn't mean it's not true

Because you have not tested it doesn't mean it doesn't exist just like your God

But it is spaghetti: spaghetti is food!
Whether spiritual or physical, food is food and it is ment for chewing. It's even on the lowest scale on the food chain, isn't it?

VeeVeeMyLuv:
Yes because the so-called BDC & even the banks, including just anyone who has dollars kept on selling 100-200 naira higher than the official rate right from inception of time.

Make black the market rate equal to official rate. Let the BDC people go and sell groundnut and chin-chin in a kiosk

Sit back and watch the crazy demand for dollar dry up.

It seems like our economy champions you don't understand that the problem of the Naira is the fact that we import virtually all we consume from papers, to pencils, to buttons, to fabrics etc. This is what is putting pressure on the Naira for Dollars. It is so much that the CBN cannot even cope: that is why you can't just walk into any bank to purchase dollars without stringent requirements.

Until we begin to produce what we use, the Naira will continue to slide down in value. It's not a curse!

postbox:
https://brandspurng.com/2021/11/08/cbns-suspension-of-fx-supply-to-bdcs-boosts-banks-income-as-6-dmbs-rake-in-n145-6bn/

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And you caused serious inflation in the process. Now $1==N570
Is this good news?

Workch:
It's not straw, is Russell's teapot.

If you God exist, there's no basis to say the flying spaghetti monster doesn't

You don't get the point. If it is spaghetti, no matter its kind, its simply FOOD to be eaten. QED!

Workch:
he created Christian god.
You have to accept that as well

I can only laugh at your thrashing about for straws to grab.
We know what to do with spaghetti: it is for eating!

Workch:
Supernatural spaghetti exist.
We don't have the tools to test it.

Spaghetti...yum yum!!

Workch:
he works in mysterious ways, you will think it's normal spaghetti but because you don't understand him, you will not know that it is a supernatural spaghetti that created the Christian god

Spaghetti is spaghetti.
It doesn't matter if it is coloured, uncooked, cooked, fried or flying

LordReed:
Yeah I think we have wills but I don't think they are free.

If a free will does not have any constraints, then it could do EVERYTHING.
Like, I can will myself to Jupiter and Mars
I can will myself to becoming the Richest man in the Universe
I can will myself to Live forever

Unfortunately, there are so many factors against the fulfilment of just any will of man, from Gravity, Temperature, Money, Laws of Nature, etc

Why do soldiers continue fighting even when they are low on both ration and ammunition?
Why do people commit suicide while others in worse situation continue living against all odds?
Why do 10 politicians contest for a post knowing that only one person would be chosen?

Every will is BOUNDED by limited Possibilities within which it is free to operate

If I cannot exercise my will to build my house on the surface of the Sun, is this an evidence that my will is not Free OR that I am attempting to do that which is beyond my capabilities and outside the sphere of control?.

Kobojunkie:
I care more about the Truth of God, that which is constitutes the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ , the Gospel which we are sent to teach to the unsaved world is why I stress His Truth over any other.

Does Water Baptism save?

Dtruthspeaker:
The highlight! I Completely Agreed with this. God is Loves His creations to have liberty and so therefore, we do have it.



Actually, I grouped them into
1) Thehe self induced insane.
2) Thehe Stupids and the " I don't cares" whether jointly and severally.
3) The Stupids who fell hooked to the beauty and deceitful profits of engaging in evil activities.
4) The ones who took God and His Love for granted (thinking it was a normal thing that would last all their lives) therefore they never really accepted Him, Only for God to Depart from them as He did to king Saul, David*, Solomon, Hezekiah, Samson etc.(a good portion of atheists fall into these category)
5)Those who were born evil
Psalms 58:3
"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." (And this is where you find the Satanist and the remaining portion of the crowd of Atheists)

Just like a mad man does not understand what being normal is , so the spiritually dead especially atheists)
In their wisdom, they become extremely foolish!

Just like in the spirit of wokeness, modern man seem not to be able to differentiate between masculine and feminine gender.

Its like expecting Cockerels to lay eggs because they have been housed in battery Cages: so the wisdom of our scientists in this generation

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said those who are His friends are those who do as He asks - not those who do as He did - John 15 vs 14

In teaching after teaching, Jesus Christ more than made it clear to His followers that they are to obey His teachings and commandments, not copy Him in all He did, declaring that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments- John 8 vs 31 - 44 & John 14 vs 15 - 25

Jesus Christ went as far a to describe those who obeyed His teachings as houses built atop of a solid rock foundation while those who refused to obey His teachings and commandments He described as houses built on sinking sand - Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29

In John 14 vs 6 - 12 & John 15 vs 7 - 11, Jesus Christ further explained that it is those who trust and Obey Him that will go on to doing what He did and even more.

Jesus Christ lived in submission to and obedience of God's Old Covenant Law, this as He went around teaching His followers to live according to the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. This explains why it is crucial to doing, not as Jesus Christ did, but as He commands - exactly as He stated.

You should be truthful enough to state the kind of Baptism John the baptist did and if Baptism by sprinkling was done by the Jews at Jesus time. The truth is static irrespective of what our doctrine is!

How about he Ethiopian Eunuch, what kind of Baptism did he undergo?
Can you find an single example in the New Testament in which water baptism was by sprinkling?

Workch:
Not that one, this one is made of spiritual flour that science cannot test.
The tool to test this spiritual flour hasn't been developed, just as the tool to test Christian god

As long as it is spaghetti, we know what it is made up of Pasta Flour (from wheat)

Workch:
No, not the normal one, the spiritual Spaghetti that cannot be tested

We all know how spaghetti is made now?
Pasta from flour!

LordReed:
I would say I am a compatibilist.

I thought you didn't believe in people having freewill?

Kobojunkie:
According to God in Ezekiel 36 vs 25, in regards to His New Covenant, God said He will sprinkle pure water on His people to cleanse them from their idols. Surely you see that God indeed deems it necessary for those of His who will partake in His offer to them through Jesus Christ.

In John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ decree that except a man be born-again- born from water and Spirit- He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

The same Jesus Christ came to men preaching preaching same message of repentance that John the Baptist, who came before Him preached , the message of Repentance, and According to John in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11, water baptism is a mark , a witness, that one has chosen Repentance, a new birth.

Before He leaves the earth, Jesus Christ, though He is never recorded to have baptised anyone Himself, this since baptism is a transition from the Old way to the New way ("washing away of sins" to "forgiveness of sins", He sends His followers out to baptize those who believe in order that they may be saved - Mark 16 vs 16-19

Surely, you must see that without baptism, there is no eternal life, since without gaining entry into the Kingdom of God also means one remains condemned to die I.e. perish in th grave.

Since Jesus is our example, what kind of Baptism was He Baptized with from the scripture by John?

Kobojunkie:
These things are not meant to be decided by our opinions but by God Himself.

There is no such thing as immersion as correct kind of baptism. God Himself described the ritual, in relation to His New Covenant, as a sprinkling of pure water to wash away the stains of idolatry on His people, this in Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27.

And we know Jesus Christ never stated anywhere in His teaching that only those who experience an immersion in water are those baptized and saved. No, instead Jesus Christ's stipulation regarding it is that it be done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

What this means is any doctrine that teaches immersion as the only recognized way is a lie, and not of God or Jesus Christ.

It's a good thing though that water Baptism doesn't qualify anyone for eternal life.

Next:
What is Baptism?

If Baptism has to do with Dipping or Immersion
The English word baptism is derived indirectly through Latin from the neuter Greek concept noun báptisma (Greek βάπτισμα, "washing, dipping", which is a neologism in the New Testament derived from the masculine Greek noun baptismós (βαπτισμός), a term for ritual washing in Greek language texts of Hellenistic Judaism ...


If Baptism has to do with Dipping , Immersion or washing, I don't know how it can other than by immersion

LordReed:
It doesn't matter what you call yourself, that's the compatibilist position.

What is your own position of Freewill and Determinism?

Workch:
We don’t have an instrument so just like the Christian god, Flying Spaghetti Monster must be real

Spaghetti is made from wheat pasta!

Workch:
The Christian go d is well defined as omniscience, omnipotent and omnipresent.

All has been tested to be false.

Flying Spaghetti Monster claimed to create the Christian god, it’s true since we can’t test it yet

Please add A Spirit Being with no known physical form the Foundation and Source of Everything.

Which instrument did you use to test God the Creator?

Dtruthspeaker:
The Highlight: And I do encourage you that there is None at All FOR HE IS PERFECTLY GOOD WITHOUT AN ATOM OF WICKEDNESS. (Yes, I checked most especially when He said "Taste and See that The Lord is Good" I went beyond a taste, I ate well-well. so I completely know without any reasonable doubt remaining.)

Which is why I am Anti-Satanist and Anti-Atheist and I can't wait to make them see how and why the Bible calls them FOOLS!

With respect to Freewill in Paradise. I believe strongly that we will retain our gift of freewill BUT our new relationship and knowledge of God will be so massive that we will naturally desire to be in line with God.

1Cor 2:9:
"But as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him."

Who except for insanity will throw the above away?

For atheists, they have chose their god, for there must be something a man bows to. For some, it's self, for others it is scientific knowledge, for others it is directly satan himself. Everyone will reap what he has sown

Workch:
you also sound like a pastafarian arguing that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exist because we have not tested it

FSM is well described and is not anywhere near what the Jehovah Creator of the Universe is.

Spaghetti is made from ground wheat isn't it? It's like food...and it is a monster!?

Dtruthspeaker:
This was quite a personal attack, and I deemed it necessary that it be addressed.

I rebel against wickedness and evil, most especially as I grew and saw and learnt that God and Nature was against the bad and evil actions of my parents and older family authorities.

So, armed with this knowledge I rebelled against my family when they sought to do any evil or wicked thing.

And this Rebellion is approved by God as clearly expressed in
Exodus 23:2
"Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil;"

And Proverbs 1:10
"My son, if sinners entice thee, CONSENT THOU NOT"!

These and more are the guiding God Issued Laws which permitted my Rebellion.

And Glory be to God, they saw The Truth and bowed to The Supremacy of God's Laws!

I grew up in a home of godly, loving and responsible parents. I cannot find a single reason based on my relationship with them over the years to rebel against them.

My relationship with God is even stronger as I cannot think of a reason where I will rebel against Him.

Workch:
No evidence that god exist.

It’s fact

Did any Christian describe God in terms of matter/materials?
How do you intend to scientifically detect and quantify God?
Have you built such a machine yet to detect God?

You sound like Aristotle or Socrates arguing that Virus and Bacterias don't exist because no one has seen one!

Where is your evidence that the God we describe doesn't exist.

I can bet it with you that one day, the truth will dawn on you but I hope the god of science will be strong enough to bail you out.

Kholiwe:
You are typing out of point.

Since you feel that a well brought up child will disrespect his parents and beoing well behaved must be because of lack of freedom, then answer the question

At your age, do you obey your parents by your free will or by compulsion of koboko?