₦airaland Forum

After my last reply, here's a disclaimer.

In before any imbecilic toad starts accusing me of being a Boko Haram, i'm a Christian from the South. I just will not subscribe to the herd mentality, i'm no intolerant bigot and I have a healthy distrust for CAN by default.

rhymz:
If I were you, I will do a thorough research before jumping on the non-interest islamic banking poo. First, nobody, group or region is against islamic banking or whatever the name they call it. The problem is the unconstitutional manner our bigoted CBN governor is going about it.
1. Nigeria is a secular state governed by a secular constitution which is supreme to any other laws ob the land.

You ARE against Islamic banking. CAN is against Islamic banking. And it's mainly due to the 'Islamic' in the name.
Constitutionally, the CBN governor is empowered to draft guidelines for the establishment of banks. I have no recollection of Soludo going begging to the National Assembly before carrying out his banking sector consolidations many years ago.

rhymz:
3. With the above said, why the need to set rules and regulations for the operations of islamic banking- one of the models of non-interest banking-different from the already existing laws that guards all forms of non-interest banking.
4. The Practise of Islamic banking can only be possible in Nigeria after the NA must have rectified it that it should have rules and regulations different from what is already existing-trust me bro, that aint never going to happen as it will contravene certain provisions of the constitution that excludes the participation of any religio in state matters plus the implication of allowing such will be dentrimental to the unity of this country.

The CBN Governor has the right to review existing guidelines prior to implementation. It's one thing to draft a plan, it's another to review with current reality just before implementation. In fact, i'd be very dissapointed in Sanusi if he had made no move to review or revise existing guidelines. He now has ownership of the process and will definitely take the backlash if anything goes awry.
Can you confirm if the National Assembly made ANY input into the previous guidelines? I'd suspect none. So why do you want to drag this through the National Assembly?
As for participation of religions in state matters, may i remind you that Sharia Courts have been operating with Government sanction for a while now?

rhymz:
5. Islamic banking operates under the principles of sharia which our constitution does not recognize in this regard. Besides these laws are very discriminatory, for example each of this banks will have an islamic council who will be responsible for decisions taken by the banks and only muslims with islamic banking expertise will be on this council, what about Nigerians who are not muslims but wants to participate?
6. There is also the issue of moral rectitude and equality, if only muslims will be allowed on the council or management board of these islamic banks, will it be fair for a nuslim to be on the management board of conventional banks who collect the forbidden riba that is the reason for the islamic banking in the first place? Why will you discriminate  against me from participating on the management of your banks only to be in the mangement of the banks you claim collect riba and commit sins? Is that not double dealing?

Moral issues have no say here. This should not be turned into an 'us against them' issue. Wetin concern me if white man no dey board of Ebony, BET and FUBU?  . The core benefit is bringing islamic compliant banking to the 'unbanked', which is bound to be positive for our economy. I am not an economics genius and so i remain bitterly dissapointed in most of you NL commentators that leave any economic +ves and -ves and jump straight into bigoted and intolerant views about Islam.

Any lingering moral issues or doubts are what I expect the leadership of CAN or any other aggrieved body to thrash out in discussions with Sanusi instead of this cheap battle on Newspaper pages.

rhymz:
Do you even understand how this claims of non-profit collecting works? The only difference I see is what they choose to call it, while conventional banks will say interest, islamic banks will collect marked up commissions may small though.

Does that really concern you? If this is compliant with their religion and they have no issues with it, let them enjoy.

rhymz:
Finally, do you know the security risks of letting these kinds of banks to start shop in Nigeria? Do you know that the sharia laws under which its operations are anchored does not allow disclosure of account holders information to authorites? Imagine, in these days of terrorism and bokoharam in the north. God forbid that kind thing for here abeg!

Can you show us a detailed study/research into how Islamic banking in the US and UK have aided terrorism? If this banking model is readily amenable to the free flow of cash to the likes of Al Qaeda, why are they still operating in the Western countries?

What next, we demand the closure of mosques if they don't allow us install Government monitored CCTVs?

In summary, all these negatives can be taken to Sanusi and an explanation or discussion demanded among those lines. Why is CAN not picking up the gauntlet here? Why this climate of intolerance?

Kx:
A good product sells itself.

Why is Sanusi fighting so hard to justify his bokobanking, islamic banking??

Because bigots like you are associating the word 'Islam' with boko haram and destruction.
There are many Muslims that have abused their religion and distorted it to give credence to their violent ways. There are also many others that will not countenance violence.

henry101:
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/07/ojukwu-not-abandoned-in-london-umeh/

Saharareport is so much full with hate and lies,

Not just them. Nairalanders too. Most people here fell for that unsubstantiated story without question.

leyom234:
This is a cover up. the big shot sponsoring the destructive activities of boko haram are trying to cover up the story. 700 pieces of explosives! na all the buildings for abuja the construction company wan blow? shuu !!!

Even with all the crystal clear explanation you still cannot get it?
The explosives are being used mainly in quarries in Abuja. My friend in the NYSC camp tells me rock blasting is ongoing near her camp. You need explosives for rock blasting.
AS soon as i saw the Sun report, i knew it was all bollocks. No way would anyone put 700 bombs on a lightly guarded truck and start heading to Abuja.

The Sun reporter should be prosecuted for spreading malicious falsehood.

I'm yet to be told the negatives of this Islamic banking. All i hear is the usual scaremongering and bigoted intolerance from most commenters, including the contributors from CAN.

Even if you feel that the benefits may not be as great as is being touted, what have we really got to lose?

Pukkah:
The credit situation in Nigeria is killing business. It's a serious issue is Nigerian banks can't for whatever reason syndicate about N89b. Sanusi Lamido, are you listening?

So you buy this fellow's story, hook, line and sinker?

kevoh:
You still have an option of using aero,it should be about 12000 naira now just book ahead except of course you have an impromptu arrangement then you got no choice than to pay the new ticket fare of about 36000 naira.

People are complaining of unreasonable high air fares and you're babbling about a limited number of seats available on just one carrier.

Chintua:
Welcome to the land of 'red sand'!

Curses and more curses. . . .empty vessels making the MOST noise.

Na 'curses' white man dey take catch 'teif' or 'murderers' for oyinbo land?

This is Edo State, not 'oyinbo land'.

ReachRich:
And this made homepage?

2 million kids die of malaria in Africa every year. Why the heck wouldn't this make front page?

I agree with maclatunji and sleekman. The comments here show how brainless many Nigerians are. Any cheap solution to fighting malaria and mosquitoes should be praised and encouraged. See people with low IQ laughing here. It's a pity.

Nice going, guys.
Just realised I still have my old iPhone 3GS 16GB, pretty decent condition. Anyone got any idea what I likely to get for it in today's market?

Annual vacation in any country of his choice, paid for by Taxpayers?
These people don't deserve to live.

naijaking1:
It's time to cut to the chase and take an introspective view about the current Boko Haram (BK) violence ravaging the nation.
Many people, well known personalities, state governors, former and current statesmen mostly of northern origin have come out to "beg" BK, often with a pledge to be respectful to their cause.

Today, famous Borno state politicians came out in drove to urge withdrawal of the JTF fighting the BK terrorists the best our country could afford. I didn't hear one word of condemnation about the mayhem caused by BK

Post election violnce has metamorphosed into a full scale terroristic activities across the north with the result that the CPC initially bailed out some of the accussed. Right here on N/L most of the CPC supporters have sympathetic ears for BK, because one of their campaign themes was that GEJ is weak and incapable of holding the country together. Continued violence to them simply becomes a fait accompli.

Subsequently, the series of bombs and loss of innocent lives has been used by pro-Buhari supporters to say "I told you so, we have a weak president".
On the contrary, we know better, its harder to mount dialogue than to do an 'Odi' on a community suspected of haboring terrorists.
All said and done, and like in every war situation, there's hardly any neutrality. Are you for BK or against BK

You just had to rope in CPC, didn't you?
CPC bailed out some of their supporters arrested by the Police. Since when did those guys become Boko Haram members? Is bail a crime again?
Your stance is rooted in sheer hypocrisy. You take potshots at the CPC for bailing out their accused supporters yet you keep silent when the SSS revealed that all arrested Boko Haram suspects will not be prosecuted based on GEJ's orders

Finally, reminding the people who voted GEJ in that the 'fresh air' they were babbling about is fast turning to 'H2S' does not automatically translate to sympathy and support for Boko Haram. I suspect you know this so why the mischief?

9jaganja:
You are Sagamite I guess,  Always calling forumites cretin lol!!!! Funny though!!!

Me, Sagamite ke? I no dey do dual personality for NL.
Words like 'cretin', 'brainless' etc are not censored by NL so i use them once in a while. I have zero tolerance for brainless people. The poster that is complaining about Western education while typing in English using a western developed computer qualifies as a grade A i'mbecile 

Seanet1000:
Height of Judicial stupidity*, how on earth will you jail a man for taking his fathers mattress? Thunder fire both the Prosecuting lawyers and judge. Bunch of slowpoke!

Theft is theft. It is a crime that must be prosecuted if it is reported to the police.

If youmust blame anyone, why not blame the father who would prosecute his own son for stealing mattresses?

great1:
am sure yar'adua will be turning in his grave,

Why don't YOU hasten over to your own grave?
I think of all my intelligent friends that have died due to illnesses etc, And i can't help feeling a sense of injustice that a cretin like yourself is still alive and kicking.

henry101:
Hahaha, He needs a mattress to lay his head. lol,
Haba people still m/billions and they get 6months jail sentence too.

3000 naira fine was placed as an option. No one expects the boy to go to jail.

chamber2:
what are you saying? Why not ask the CBN governor what is happening to the naira?GEJ's visit to Obama has nothing to do with the issue at hand.The CBN under sanusi has a responsibility to stabilise our currency, yet he is busy pursuing islamic banking and all what not.

Shame on Sanusi, Shame on a clueless CBN governor.

I seem to recall the Naira falling from N118 to a dollar to N152 under Soludo. Shame on him too?

strangest:
Buhari and CPC should stop killing Nigerians under their new acquired name Boko Haram,  Why are they going after those that supported GEJ,  Buhari used a Christian as his running mate, yet he is not in the list,  That man should be held responsible,  GBAM!!!

You win 1st Prize for the most i.d.i.o.t.i.c post of the day.
Is there anyone above 20 yrs of age that doesn't know that Boko Haram has been in existence since the Yar'Adua days (at least)

When kids use Nairaland, this is the kind of lunacy that is put on display.

madoba:
OUCH!!!! I am wincing from all the harsh, really harsh criticism of this woman or should I say judgement and not criticism?

We all have done things of which we are ashamed, and we live in the tension of what we have been and what we would like to become. I believe God can help each of us become better people.

I have messed up in my life and may still do so but I know I would desperately love to be forgiven when I do, and not be harshly criticized, unfairly judged and condemned by others as good for nothing.

I haven't killed anyone yet. Have you?

ochibs1010:
so because she made a mistake and got punished by the law, she should live the rest of her days wallowing in her past


sorry pls understand the legal definition of a murderer before you use your ignorance to mislead right thinking Nigerians on NL, its wasn't premeditated or intentional, it was an accident, i accept it is wrong and she accepted the court verdict as homicide which she has been punished for,

interesting enough i took a liking for her when she was released she set up a team of lawyers who has helped a lot of inmates who are in court jail for crimes they did not commit/ those who were never even tried in a court of law but sent to prisons because they don't have anybody to stand for them, the question is if we found ourselves in Ibinabo's shoes what will you have done?

She went off her lane (because she was drunk) and killed an innocent man, a medical doctor who was a breadwinner to many. The doctor she killed had helped (and had the potential to help) many more lives than the brainless Nollywood flicks this woman was starring in.
What infuriated the victim's family more was the fact that this lady fled the accident scene, leaving their son to die on the road before she was later apprehended by the Police. She then used her influence to try to deny the victim's family justice (she had gotten away with a mere 100k fine) before the Lagos state government stepped in.

True, she has served her sentence and seemingly has become a better person for it. But it'd be best if she maintained a low profile for a while.

maddock:
In as much as I don't like pointing fingers without facts,but at times utterrances can be implicative. I could remember Buhari said that if he lost by rigging he won't go to court and I know an Analyst on TVC or Channels before the elction said that statements has a lot of meaning. Looking at BH, how does this group that copnsist of the unlettered majority of the lower class became so sophisticated and started carrying out hit with millitary precision.Am no conspiracy thoerist but I can see a grand plan by the northern big shots to claim their mandates allegedly stolen. The President is the cause of this whole problem IMO, the moment he didn't respect HIS PARTY zonin arrangement gave birth to this attacks.I hope he has the balls to withstand the trouble he has succedded in brewing.

Buhari said he would not go to court because he was tired of court cases and that he had little confidence in them. He also said this would be his last attempt at the presidency.
This desire to tie Boko Haram to Buhari is ridiculous and childish.

0lumide:
His ambitions were too extreme and he made seem as if he can truly win with him campaigning only in select states in SW and the North,

He didn't touch SS except for PH, SE was a no go for him,

He had statements in the past supporting Sharia in a state like Nigeria,

He came in through a coup at first, Seriously, He is not my favourite person in the world!!

Maybe hate is not the word,


He kept talking about fighting corrption etc, and never laid down economic plan
Oh and he never came out to condemn the post election violence,

Seriously, I don't like him at alll,

It's a blatant lie to say Buhari did not come out to condemn the post-election violence. The man was making the rounds on prominent news channels calling for peace. I don't know why you people still mouth this untruth.

ak47mann:
i salute you mr president

This is the only way these people know how to solve problems: Throw cash at it!

Boko Haram escalating their bombing campaign? Offer 'em amnesty!
NYSC members scared shytless about serving in the North? Double the allowances!

Kai! PDP will not kill us.

PS: This is a welcome development for the Corps members sha.

ebere1712:
Given the reputation of the Nigerian justice system, there is a 50/50 probability that she is innocent.
Sorry to bust your bubble, the apex court should have checked the evidence provided by the prosecutors, and the announcement should be like; there is enough evidence to prove that she is guilty, or their is no evidence of a mistrial. And it should never be up to her to prove that she is not guilty, it should be the other way around.

FoI bill is already signed into law. If you feel strongly about this matter, proceed to Abuja and demand the court records.
Unlike you, I accept this judgement because I do not presume to know more about legal matters than a Supreme Court justice. Good day.

Oritsejafor stance on this matter is unbecoming. See the language he's using to speak

'I suspect'
'I think'
'He must have an agenda'

Why is this man trying to force his unsubstantiated theories down our throats?

Who knows if the furore by CAN is all geared towards dissuading any mooted ideas of taxing churches in Nigeria? See, Mr Oritsejafor, I too can pull out theories from the ether


[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=709695.msg8683890#msg8683890 date=1310217887]Why would he pay tax? The money (tithe) in his care is God's money, he's just helping God to spend it. Why should he give money meant for God to the government? Is God not bigger than government?[/quote]Ah. i thought we'd agreed we were a secular nation?
God's money is sure spent on lots of private jets, fancy cars, luxury suits and massive edifices.

TCD:
What is the brand name of this Tablet including model? Wanna look it up pls.

So you can't tell by now that it's a cheap Chinese clone?

Ijogz K:
I now see that we don't have to search for long b4 we find Eeediots this daiz,  Very easy to come by,  http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20110708425556" This was just 8/7/2011,  This is the number 1 political stronghold in the country still saying that he doesn't know their real motive. Nobody knows the exact thing they want as their killing mixes both religion and politics in it. U fooooooooool!!! Its a mistake for me to have answered you. This my last response to eediots who would rather talk 4rm an empty brain than take time to read.

Obasanjo that failed to carry his ward is now the 'number 1 political stronghold in the country'? Does your idiocy know no limits? better men than you have been led astray by OBJ's words.
What did I really expect from you, a man who doesn't even know the difference between 'these' and 'this'?

It's funny how you quote OBJ, a man who is very firm on the need to show respect for your betters. Yet you're here posturing in your ignorance. Come to us on NL with humility and we will educate you.

Ibime:
Because the Sultan

(a.) values his life

(b.) Is a coward

DAMN right!!! The Sultan wants to live out his remaining years, you want the old man to paint crosshairs on his back?

Perhaps the person best suited to make this call is Adegbite, if he's still the head of the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs in Nigeria.

I notice you people carefully fail to include Abuja in the list of dangerous states. Can you explain why?