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chatinent:
No, I'm a Witness.

Paul so despite my advise you didn't change. Corona will soon be over. You never thought in your widest dreams I can be here right. Well thunders do strike twice

J111333:
Killing Gadhafi has caused more harm than good in Libya.

Not only in Libya. In Africa too. Many of the weapons ceased from Gaddafi ended up in the hands of terrorists, who brought some to the Chad basin area o Nigeria, Niger and Cameroon via the sahel

Poseidon000:
Amen!!!

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Hypnotise:
Wizkid has always been the better of both musicians. If you doubt that ask yourself, will OBO be where he is without his father's money and his squard writing songs for him?

Btw, OBO P.J chilling with his goons is on another level.

My brother, Davido has shown with this comment that he is a skilled diplomat, matured mind and a complete gentleman.
That's wisdom and tact he as shown there. Between him and wikid, I have been having difficulty choosing my greatest, but i have now, and I think you know who it is.

Macsjebs:
Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/bizarre-fish-pictured-eerily-human-22360535

I suspect Photoshop

prizlezzlalasky:
Awww, sweet memories.....2012 UCL finals, was still in sec school, Dad and my big cousins (man U fans) where having this heated argument as the boys where gloating and trash talking Chelsea....dad being the only Chelsea fan maintained his stance that the blues will win the match.

I still remember picking interest and also sympathising with my dad as those my cousins wouldn't let my old man be.

Fast forward to kickoff, I just saw the line up of both teams... So many blacks in the Chelsea team and I had a notebook (chemistry) that the coverpage had chelsea players on it. I just went to sit by my popsy, held his palm, He looked at my eyes and I smiled while rubbing my small palm in his ....then I just said the word...."Daddy! We ll win". His response portrayed fear...
"I di sure?"(are you sure?)... I smiled and said yes papa....

It was one hell of a match but I just had that confidence.....lol.. when the magic moment happened .....tears of joy streamed down my face as I watched my dad dancing .....He lifted and hugged me tightly ....that was one of the best memories I had of him. God bless and keep you NNa m...I love you with all I ve got.....Will continue to make you proud.

Hey priceless, I like u already. Can I be your friend?

Gerrard59:
It has been explained countless times that PAYG is actually more expensive (same thing all over the world) than what DSTV is operating.

I have given up. U can lie gan oh

Gerrard59:
You cannot live without electricity - an essential utility. Are you saying you cannot live without Cable TV or you want a country that finances more than 50% of her budget through massive debts to subsidise people's consumption?

You have derailed from the real argument. Nobody should subsidize. What I have said its simple. If multichoice want to keep operating, they should let us only pay for what we consume, if not, they should leave. Others will come. I watch most of my matches online now though with reasonable amount

Gerrard59:
While electricity is an essential utility, cable TV isn't one. If you cannot afford cable TV via DSTV, port to another company. It's not by force.


Special kudos to Kikero, honestly, you have done well especially as you aren't paid to lecture some humans who lack basic understanding of elementary economics.

U are the one showing lack of common sense here. This is our country. Enough of exploitation from PHCN, MTN or whoever.
I MTN also gave up a fight when people clamoured for pay as u go back then, before they eventually backed down.
Why must u walk over those that are already down.
We should pay for only what we get
Shikena

COMPAQ:
Lack of electricity is not dstv fault or problem

Then they should put our circumstance into perspection.
It's only fare we pay for what we use.
This DSTV scheme is the same wit how PHCN don't like the prepaid metre

sexylassie2:
Anti business Nigerian govt.

Dstv subs in Nigeria are the lowest in Africa.

So the only reason, they put the law was because of startimes a govt company.

They want to collect things for free without paying.

Socialist government, that is why this country will be forever poor.

I have heard this claim several times that we pay the lowest sub. I am beginning to doubtthe rationale though. The reason; a lot of household sub for one month but end up enjoying only a few days worth-many times not up to even 10days-because of our electricity situation. Example again is those that show ball. The pay hugely for a month but only show some sparsely games.
The calculation is that we are actually paying more for what we get compared to many other countries. If they feel this my assumption is not true, why can't they just make it 'pay as u go'. That would be the logical and fair thing to do

Temotala:
Please watch the medical doctor's testimony and point out which part of it is a scam... I'm 99.9% sure you didn't even watch the video but jumped onto the bandwagon of prejudicial assumption.

“Let people advertise you. Don’t fight. If truly you are genuine, whatever people say about you – whether they condemn you, spoil your name or praise you – it is for your good. If truly you are sent by God, it will turn around to favour you!” – T.B. Joshua

See mate, there are many discrepancy that can be picked out in this video;
-first and major one. We had the doctor said that he 'is being treated in HIS HOSPITAL '. it seems he gave himself that report.
-why was he specifically picked out and that healing tooled place life. If there is the ability to do this kind of live miracle, why have they not done one at the many NCDC centres here in Nigeria.
*now,to the person post u reacted to; the person is obviously way above the mental state of many Nigerians. Or if it's not Devils work, if it's not that Devil is truly powerful and that human mind is sick, how can people like you still stupidly and blindly stick your neck out for this such men after their toooooo many blunders, failures in seeing this coming and gaffes.
This sad state of many Nigerians mind is one reason why we continually vote in bad people. We are terribly sentimental and we live in denial

Ubongdemaga:
What is the difference between soul and spirit?

The idea of soul is basically gotten from the bible. There are other climes, cultures and religions that have different versions now though. But if we must stick to what the Bible says, we will see that soul is a world Bible used sometimes denote the whole being be it human or animal-yes animals were referred to as a soul.
So, sticking to the bible, soul means the person and not some abstract thing in the person. This is what the Bible has said about soul. When somebody dies, it says the soul have died.
But spirit is what activates the body/soul. It's like an electricity current that powers the radio. The radio as a whole can be compared to the soul. When the electric current(spirit) is taken off, the radio(body/soul) dies.
*You hear phrase like this in the bible, 'there were eight souls(people)'.

Lamasta:
www.saharareporters.com/2020/06/26/breaking-army-arrests-wife-lance-corporal-martins-granting-media-interview

https://gifter.com.ng/event/515#.XvTNQdYOipY.whatsapp let patrotic people and people of goodwill rise up and ensure voices like this our heros aren't silenced.
We will use what we get here to get competent lawyers and human right activist involved, to ensure fair hearing and immediate release of our hero.
We will organise peaceful protest and keep the campaign alive through different media.
We will organize public discuss as much as the availing atmosphere can allow.
We will consult with officer Martins family and see to it that they are supported through this trying time.
*Update: the wife of this poor man has been arrested. Who then takes care of his three kids?
https://www.nairaland.com/5952445/victoria-wife-lance-corporal-martins

Chopmoney123:
I don't know why our activist have not done anything about this man including the news TV s in Nigeria. they are supposed to be updating us daily, on the health and wellbeing of this man. The way I am seeing it ehhn this man will die for nothing. Stupid Nigerians....no top politician or pastor, Imam and celebrity is saying anything about this man. You are all stupid.

That's what has gotten me concerned. If this man is allowed to suffer mistreatment with him seeing support from us, we may never see concerned helpers in the future again. Drop your #100 and urge others to, to keep our hope alive

https://gifter.com.ng/event/515#.XvTNQdYOipY.whatsapp let patrotic people and people of goodwill rise up and ensure voices like this our heros aren't silenced.
We will use what we get here to get competent lawyers and human right activist involved, to ensure fair hearing and immediate release of our hero.
We will organise peaceful protest and keep the campaign alive through different media.
We will organize public discuss as much as the availing atmosphere can allow.
We will consult with officer Martins family and see to it that they are supported through this trying time.
*Update: the wife of this poor man has been arrested. Who then takes care of his three kids?
https://www.nairaland.com/5952445/victoria-wife-lance-corporal-martins

Dantee005:
Do not judge.... Every man is entitled to his opinion,likes and dislikes.... Respect that....

Thanks, I see ur point. But I am sincerely concerned about the lack of knowledge in the nation. It shows in our decisions in elections. We suffer collectively as a result of this

Softapplez:
I am never going to watch wrestling again like i used to.
What is even there in wrestling to catch your interest?

Everything that makes WWE the fame and popularity they got over the years, is now gone.

The undertaker remains my most loved celebrity ever in the history of my life, after Micheal Jackson and Lionel Messi.

He is the epitome and the standard for world wrestling Entertainment.

Losing his WrestleMania streak to Brock Lesnar is something that i still have never been able to swallow.

They purposely made him lost that match because they knew he had undergone surgery lately before then on his hips and he was not even 50% fit.

But they used his love for the game and their greed to break the streak.

They should have protected the streak as an honour to him for a service well rendered.

The undertaker wowed the world with his talent, puts fear even in the minds of viewers.

He bought a whole level of spirituality to wrestling, nobody does it better than him.

The undertaker is one of the most respected man in the world.
And the most influential man In sports entertainment.

This is why i doubt the credibility of Forbes magazine.

The undertaker will not go to any Country in world and he won't be given a huge Media presence.
Presidents and governors, royalties all wants a feel of that man that has wowed us with his Talent while growing up.

This is why i don't envy this new generation kids at all.

They are now left with mediocre entertainers.

I have followed the undertaker all my life like my life depends on it.

I even knew his wife Michele McColl and she and her former girl was my favourite female wrestlers. Very funny set of ladies and when i discovered she got married to the undertaker, i was so happy.

From softapple to the undertaker.

I am saying thank you for the inspiration and motivations.
For all the lessons you taught us through your career.

So softapple in conjunction with saintsammurai, we are all saying.

Adios my king.

by the order of the Peaky blinders.

I couldn't help but shake my head several time while reading ur post. I am amazed and at the same time amused as to how u have come to attach that emotional seriousness to something that is a soap opera-drama.
And noticing how many people have liked your post point to the sorry state of knowledge gap we suffer in Nigeria; this is why we get many things wrong in this country.
Seeing you used the word 'mediocrity' at a point made everything more amusing.

goodysb:
It's going to be in a public space... You have a point bro.

You don chop her? How many times.
Don't collect the phone from her, but u fit arrange for the phone to get smashed by a car tire. lobatan

Scatterscatter:
I understand your point

But do you think it is wrong to respect the word of someone in authority?
Also, does honoring the person's word show any sign of disrespect to the person?

I'm of the opinion that God Almighty isn't bothered that Trinitarians have such concept because if it were so, he wouldn't have given Jesus power over everything in Heaven & on earth, also, He wouldn't have made Jesus so great that you need the name of Jesus to even request anything from Him (GOD).

The Bible even says at the mention of the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow, both in Heaven & on Earth. God would have maintained His superiority by retaining "His own name"

God Almighty isn't in a power tussle with Jesus or Holy Spirit neither are Trinitarians elevating Jesus above God (Yahweh) because eventually, they direct all their prayers to God (Yahweh) and only go through the name of Jesus as directed in the Bible.

I think saying the concept of trinity is wrong is more like the overzealous actions of the Pharisees & Saducees that wanted to kill Jesus simply because they felt He was trying to equate Himself to God. Do you honestly think they would have been able to comprehend if Jesus had told them "He is God". They wouldn't have understood because you need the Holy Spirit to understand the deeper concept of the things of God and His operations. The Holy Spirit is the only only that can make us to truly know God and understand His intent for our lives. Remember the disciples didn't even know who Jesus really was while He was with them on earth until He ascended and the Holy Spirit came upon them. Only then did the true revelation of Jesus hit them.

In the beginning, when the spirit of God moved on the face of the deep, who do you think moved, Yahweh? No, it was the Holy Spirit! The Word(Jesus) made everything and without Him was noting made but who spoke the Word? Yahweh! Now you see why Jesus didn't bow when when Satan tempted Him by saying he'll give him all the kingdoms of the earth. How do you expect the creator of all things to bow to get what He created with His own hands!

When God said "let us make man in our own image, who do you think he was having a discussion with? Yahweh was in a discussion with His entirety! How do I know this, Man is the only creation of God that is a Spirit, has a Soul and lives in a body. Humans were never created to be Spirits only, that's why we'll all ascend to Heaven the same way Jesus ascended, in bodily (spirit, soul & body) form but this time, the saints will rise in an incorruptible body like Jesus and we'll all be like that forever.

I think what we should be bothered about is the fact the name of God (Yahweh) is being gradually removed from the Bible and it is a serious cause for concern because most people don't even know the name of God.

I am glad I can quickly reply you on this; there is another friend here that I haven't had the time to reply yet.
See my friend, the best way to take the bible is to take just what it has shown us. There was no idea of Trinity in the bible. Contrary to what you infer, the apostles got to know who Christ was very well at about the time he was leaving this earth, that is why Jesus asked them who they really think he is because people in general taught he was just some prophets; then the disciples answered SIMPLY 'you are the Messiah, the SON of God.' Jesus really commended them for this their answer.
I cant overemphasize it to you that it is gravely dangerous to add or deduct even a dot from the bible.
God glorified Jesus for doing well with his assignment here on earth, that is why the bible said he was elevated in position and given 'a name that is above any other name.' This elevation may mean he was given some office and work that he didnt have before(we can imagine one of this privilege is that its through him that we now get salvation. It wasn't that way before). So, the same Bible that said he was given everything, has also told us that he is definitely under the person that gave him everything. In effect Gods name is still more honourable than his, however true to only doing what the Bible ask us to do, we should only pray through his NAME to GOD.
The bible shows us God doesn't like us equating him with anything on earth or in even-anything includes Jesus. Don't lets go beyond the bible, we will unwittingly mess up with everything.
One sad thing many people are getting wrong from going outside the bible, is one thing you have MENTIONED-SOUL. Soul in the bible is not something in us that survives us. Soul is us. Living things, animals and man were referred to as souls in the bible. Example is in Ezekiel that says, every soul that sinneth shall die. In another place of the Bible we were told that 8souls went into the ark. Animals were called souls.

Scatterscatter:
I like your analogy and well detailed explanation

But does it then make it a sin to equate Jesus with God? Will God hold answers to our prayers if we do? Will it stop "trintarians" from going to heaven? (these are honest & sincere questions)

My own understanding of the trinity can be explained thus:

We have God almighty operating in 3 different dimensions
God Head - YAHWEY
God in flesh (Son) - Jesus
God in Spirit - (Holy Spirit)

These 3 personalities operate as one indivisible entity even though they manifest in certain ways to achieve the same goal.

God Head can't relate physically to man because he operates as a Spirit. Even Moses couldn't see HIS face because the glory would have killed him. Whenever we see a physical representation of GOD in the Bible it is always Jesus. Jesus is the WORD of GOD and the same way your voice represents you is the same way Jesus is to God. The same way your voice recording can be used to either incriminate or justify you even without you being physically present is the same way Jesus (the Word) is to the God Head. The WORD (Jesus) became flesh is saying God Head made his Word tangible, something humans can feel & touch, so it won't always be a booming voice or thunder or fire. All these is to redeem man back to Himself and maintain a father to son relationship with man, he wanted man to know it is possible.

When Jesus said He & the Father are one should explain it all. The same way you can't deny your voice on tape is the same way God can't be separated from Jesus. Jesus was simply God in flesh.

God in Spirit - (Holy Spirit) is God giving man direct access to Him without any barrier. It's like a Sim card in a phone, it gives us the ability to establish a communion with God whereby we can hear him in our Spirit. The Holy Spirit is like the network provider, if the reception is bad, it will be difficult or impossible to have any form of communication with each other. God has released His spirit upon everyone that is willing to accept His Word (Jesus) which is Him (God Almighty)

The dispensation of God's manifestation :

In the Old Testament, we saw more of the manifestation of God Head (YAHWEY)

In the New Testament, we saw God Head (YAHWEY) manifest in flesh (JESUS)

Now we are in the dispensation of the God Head (YAHWEY) manifest in the Spirit (HOLY SPIRIT) Remember God promised to pour His Spirit on man in the end of days.

Don't forget God said He honors His Word more than His name.

With this, I don't think giving God's Word the same preference as God Himself is wrong.

Thank you my dear for your exhaustive response.
To answer the three questions in your first para; it's a terrible sin to equate Jesus with God. It's the sin of blasphemy and its similar to what we have in our law court today as treason. Ancient Israelite do not take kindly to that type of offence. It's what Absalom tried to do against David his father. It's what Satan too tried to do against God. It's what the Jewish leader in Jesus time accused Jesus of doing, and they showed their aversion for it by ripping their garments in public.
What does Yahweh himself have to say; he said 'I am Yahweh, thou shalt not have any other God beside me', he said in another place that 'he is a jealous God,' and in another place he said 'he will not share is glory with anyone.
What was Jesus attitude to equating himself to God? Jesus was said to have submitted himself to God even to the point of death. At another place, it was said he didn't consider usurping the authority of God but became like a man.
People believing in a Trinity doctrine - a word or idea that wasn't mentioned in the bible- can't expect to be accepted by God and they can't also expect God to look favourably on their prayers. Remember where it's said in the bible 'that they pray but don't get answer because they pray amiss. '
Many believing this doctrine are like Paul before he became a Christian. He so much had knowledge and zeal for God. He thought the Pharisee religion was acceptable to God. Unknown to him, it is an adulterated religion that God had rejected. The bible said of those kind of people as 'having zeal for God but not according to an accurate knowledge. '
You still referred to when Jesus said that him and his father are one. But the context around that statement never support the supposition that Jesus was an inseparable entity from God, it only talks about unity. Remember he also in that same statement ask that God make his disciples and every believer that kind of 'one's. Does it mean he is saying they should mysteriously become an inseparable entity? Let's discard long held sentimental misconception so room can be created for truth.
Now, in all of mankind ages and different dispensations, it has always been made clear that God is different from his son Jesus. At Genesis in the very beginning, God talked to another person that they should make man in their image. David talked about God and his son. David also talked about his lord sitting at the right handside of Yahweh. Proverb 8, spoke allegorically of Jesus and it said Jesus was created by God in the beginning and was at the beginning a 'master worker beside God.' Jesus when here on earth prayed to God and made it clear that he was from God and he will return to God. Shortly after Christ departure, Steven at the point of death saw a vision of Jesus sitted at the righthanside of God in heaven (different entity), the apostles too on different occasions attested to this fact. The book of Corinthians made us know that Jesus was the first of all creation, this is consistent with the pervasive truth in the bible that Jesus was created by God. At revelation, we saw him figuratively presenting the value of his ransom sacrifice to God at his throne as a slain lamp.
I have gone from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus has always be shown to be different from God, in his preearth, earthly and postearth(heaven) existence. When he was leaving the earth, he told his followers that he was 'going to his father, their father and his God their God.'
Jesus is said to be God's word because he had God's message for the world. He was to God like Aaron was to Moses, a spokesman. It's true that God from time immemorial at different places do send him as a representative. But anybody sent his to all intent and purpose of different entity and different authority to the sender.
Let's be careful of what the Bible has termed 'artfully crafted doctrine'. 'Doctrine of men.' 'Doctrine of Demons '.
The purpose of this very doctrine is to muddle up the identity of God and not make people understand God. If you can't understand somebody, you can't really have a close relationship with that person.

Pelecius:
Really?
Can you please share with us the litmust test you used in ascertaining this 'fact'?

Thank you, I have been doing that all day. I am not versed on nairaland, but if there is any way you can see my several posts in reaction to that my post, you will see that I have been showing people how I arrived at that conclusion. Please if you find them and they make sense, help me repost them.

Scatterscatter:
Nah brother, I can't be offended because we are simply having a discussion, not arguing.

You mentioned something that struck me though, are you saying the part of the Bible where Jesus said "He and the Father are One and the part where he said Whoever has seen Him has seen the Father " is a lie?

Recall the Bible also said "in the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The Word (Jesus) became Flesh and he dwell amongst men... Are you also saying it's not true.

What about the fact that Jesus is the creator of all things as stated in the Bible "God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him" what's your take on this too?


As regards titles, I frown against it with the whole of my being.

Thank you my friend for your mindset.
You have raised three points here and interestingly, you have unwittingly dealt with one of them.
-the first. We can understand what Jesus meant when he said, 'I and the father are one,' in John 10:30, by looking at another place in that same book of John where he said something very similar. It was in his prayer to God when his death was close( note, Jesus consistently and reverentially beseech God in prayer) in John 17:11-27 thereabout.Now let's go to the context of that prayer. He ask God to make his disciples one just as he and God are one. Is that not telling you that he was praying that they be united just as he his united with God? If you continue reading, you will come to another place where he ask that he doesn't only pray that the desciples should be one but that also all those listening to them and having faith in their words (us included) be one, just as him and God are one. Was he here suggesting they become one entity-the disciples and all believers-like trinitarian doctrine says Jesus and God is? Of course not. Now lets go back to that very John 10 where the word was spoken; if you continue reading till I think verse 22, you will come across a part that says "... even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.” I believe this point is clear now.
-the second point. About the word (Jesus) being God. If you read Bible translations that really tries to interpret the bible the way it is, you will see that they write that portion in ways like this; 'and the word was with the God and the word was a god,' 'and the word was with God and the word was divine', or 'and the word was with God and the word was godlike', this translation are more consistent with the original Greek sentence (please make your research). The point here is that, the bible has made us understand there are many Gods. The meaning of God-elohim in Hebrew, Alaha in Armariac and Theos in Greece-is powerful ones or divine ones, it denotes people that have influence spiritually, hence, Pharisees and Jewish religious leaders were called gods in the bible, demons and Satan were also called gods, angels were called gods and Jesus was called god. Isaiah in his prophecy refer to Jesus as 'the mighty god,' but there is one God 'ALMIGHTY,' which is Yahweh.
With this knowledge, now read again the bible passage of John 1:1. You will see that Jesus was just being describe as having a divine substance like God. This should not confuse us as he is the son of God.
-now to the third, which I said you have unwittingly dealt with. Yes, everything was created by Jesus, but like you noted when you said 'everything was created THROUGH him', God, use him to create everything. This is attested to in proverbs 8. There we see Jesus, who was poetically represented as Wisdom, (in a New Testament passage, Jesus is rightly describe as 'the power and wisdom of God' 1 Corinthians 1:24), said that he was by God in the beginning a 'master worker.' God created him and gave him the power to create all other things. He was God's chief construction officer. This fact is alluded to in many books of the Bible. Here is one example, in 1 Corinthians 15:27,28. 27For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."
*Do you know that Jesus himself said things like 'the Father is greater than me' and that 'it's the Father that sent him?' there is the one sent and the sender. At a place he even said he doesn't know the exact time of the conclusion of this system of things, but that only God knows. That means there are knowledge that is the exclusive of God the Father! Can this be, if they are same, equal beings like the trinitarians would have us believe?
He even, rebuked the devil at his temptation when devil ask him to worship him(can you imagine devil asking Yahweh to worship him?!), Jesus told him that he is not allowed to worship anybody but God! GBAAM!!!.
my dear, God is loving. Understanding his word doesn't take any esoteric skills or possession of some spirit, it just takes a willing, humble and courageous mind. A mind that is courageous enough to ask questions and dispel age long held myths and misconceptions when it finds answers. A mind that is courageous enough to go against the mainstream. God blesses such a mind, because he sees all of us and he is all powerful, almighty.

Scatterscatter:
I'm glad you mentioned you know TB well, maybe you were once his member, I don't know, but it shows you once had a relationship with him which I've never.

Just to be clear, I can never vouch for any "man of God" I only know Jesus and Him alone.

I took this route to be sure of the angle that you are attacking him from & like I said earlier, I am a logical thinker.

Now that we can establish that we can't tell who a true man of God is by simply watching them live, preach, prophesy & perform miracles, do you think it is fair criticism for the body of Christ to elevate (real) some pastors and relegate (fake) some simply because of their approach & understanding of their ministry?
For example, calling Pst Biodun of COZA fake simply because of his flamboyant lifestyle? (just for the sake of this discussion)

I don't know pst Biodun. But there are too many 'cloud of witnesses,' accusing him of gross immorality. Note, those my quoted words are from the bible. We leave him to God.
But my friend, I tell you you can identify a true man of God. You can achieve this not by Comparing pastors with pastor, necessarily analysing them by their attire or evaluating them by their deeds but you can recognise them by the qualities(fruits) the bible said they will show. Example of this qualities are:
-Do they really show God's personality and attributes (Now, I may start offending you. But I want to believe you are not the only one seeing this my responses. And I rather make God happy) Keeping inline with this point, if you see any pastor or congregation preach Trinity or as much equate Jesus with God, cancel them. God is the first and most important revelation in the bible. If you get that wrong, then your premise that you build all other believes on is already wrong.
-i have disregarded pastor like Oyankhilome for his take on abortion.
- God's movement or church must be universal in that, somehow, you will see it having people of different races in it.
- the pastors that is acceptable to God won't like glory from men, or accord to themselves lofty titles. Jesus said no spiritual leader should be called father. He even cautioned the person that called him 'good' and said its only God that is good. (note, that here like in many places, he differentiated himself from God, contrary to what trinitarians would have us believe.
-their words will be consistent with their lifestyles. You won't see them preach chastity and go on having children out of wedlock or divorcing about. When they do this terribly things, you might remain a Christian, but should cease leading the flock of God. The bible said he that desire an office of bishopric must be a husband of one wife and must be one that has a model family (note, that the word bishop isn't to be carried as a title. No apostles where called bishop. The word actually means 'minister', one that precedes over and help manage the congregation of God.
-You must see an acceptable congregation of God have active love amongst themselves.

Scatterscatter:
Good!

Going by this, I feel it is safe to say no pastor can pass the humility test because no human can see the heart of man.

Then about his messages, take out time to listen to some of his sermons before you conclude. Listen bro, "Goodnews is Goodnews, even to bad people"
One question you should ask yourself is, does his message of love, faith, Holyness & peace contradict the Bible's standard?

Back to prophecy and in as much as I don't want to mention names, but going by your explanation, is it safe to say the likes of Pastor Adeboye & Bishop Oyedepo are fake men of God?

My brother, I can't over emphasize the need to go back and reanalyse every thing with the Bible, to the extend you start sounding to even mainstream Christians as mad. That's how the first century Christians sounded. They challenge deeply sitted ideas and believes.
Now study John 17:3, where it says 'this is life, there taking in knowledge of you God and of Jesus you sent.' I told you I have studied TB Joshua (we have exchanged words. He has touched me). Now you have to think, has TB joshua really introduced Gods personality and Jesus message to you? If you think he has, briefly introduce God as you would introduce your father if I ask you to?
Good news isn't good news. Like mainstream Christians today, the Pharisees and sadducees religion that Judaism came from was the popular religion in Christ time, but Jesus rejected it entirely.
About Pastor Adeboye and others, I will vehemently encourage you to 'obey God rather than men', and 'let all men be found a lier and God true'. If they have failed the Bibles criteria, discard them. Simple.
Look how many of our so-called men of God world over, was shamed as to predicting coronavirus, despite their end of the year packaged prophecies. They all failed to see the most important event of the year. This is not God's failure, this is mens failure, the shame is to them. God blinded all of them as he promised in the bible.
See this event and realise its God's work. Be courageous and respond appropriately. Few message and warning of God can be clearer than the one coronavirus revealed!!!

AdeniyiA:
By what Authority or power are you explaining the mysteries in the word of God? By human intellect, indoctrination or what you were taught by humans? You need to ask the Holy spirit to give you understanding. And I advice you to listen to his message the more, and see his works. He's the most practical Christian leader I av seen in my entire Christian life.

I believe if you're a truly spiritual man, you'd have more spiritual insight than these mental ideas you profess

Calm down friend. I havent proffesed any mental ideas, but ONLY Bible ideas. Point out any of those my about three points which isn't Bible based.
Now my dear, I interpret all spirit by the word of God not interpreting the word of God by any spirit. This is what the apostles enjoined. They told us to subject all utterances /spirits to the word of God. If you think this assertion is also mental idea, ask and I will drop the Bible passage.

Scatterscatter:
Thanks for taking out time to type this.

Talking about prophecies not coming to pass, I don't think there is any man of God alive that has gotten all his prophecies right, 100% of the time. Does that mean there is no true man of God on earth?

Then about his sermons, all I've heard him preach about is: Righteousness, peace & love. Have you ever heard him speak evil of all the people that speak ill of him, including "so called men of God"
To the best of my knowledge, he is the most humble pastor of his caliber that I've seen "from afar"
Don't forget the Bible says "by their fruits, we Shall know them"

About miracles, I believe in miracles but i'm not a fan of miracles and I don't use it to judge a pastor's stand in Christ because even the devil can create miracle illusions.

Based on these stated above, I'm yet to see what makes him a fake man of God.

I have gotten three points from this, which I like to point out for you to ponder on.
1. The question of if there is no man of God alive Now, I will leave it for you to search. But I will help u. Have you heard the word of Solomon that said out of a thousand men, I scarcely see a righteous man? These men of God you know, put them together if they are up to a thousand. People worshipping God my brother are very few. And know that the true prophets of God in the bible have all their prophecies fulfilled (only Jonah, and it was because those people repented. God then, clarified everything. The prophecy to start with was conditional. The ninevites got smart and chose to repent. Eventually they backslided and the destruction came upon them.
NOOOOO prophecy of/from God can go without being fulfilled. So if you see prophets failing this criteria, no matter there credential, do away with sentiments and discard them. Thinking God can fail sometimes is degrading him to the level of humans. You might be insinuating he isn't all powerful enough to make every prophecies come through.
2. All religions preach a version of peace, 'righteousness '(which means right standing), and love. Does that make them all acceptable to God? Some pastor even think it's a message of love to abort a child so to spare the child and/or mother to of some challenges. But does that really make that 'love' God's kind of love?
3. About his humility. Let me show you what the Bible say again. It says the minister of darkness keep appearing like (note; not almost like oh, but like) the minister of light. The bible also mentioned wolves in sheep's clothing. Iike counterfeit money, it will take grace, expertise and real effort to recognize these fake christianities.
Please I just want you to start thinking and finding answers. There are answers.

Scatterscatter:
I haven't said he is genuine or not, neither have I said his power is of God or not.
I also believe no one has the right to say for sure that his powers aren't from God without providing substantial proof.

I grew up hearing lots of BS about TB and I must confess I believed the gist back then and I'm sure 90% of people who call him fake today also grew up with the story.

I'm grown now and I've decided to let go of the hearsay and I reason logically, with an open mind.

PS: please tell me how you got to know he is fake as it may help my reasoning & understanding.

I got to know when I started using the Bible as a metre to judge him
Most importantly, the bible has categorically stated that if any prophet prophecy and it doesn't come through, we should know that they aren't sent from God.
Two, through his teachings. His teaching like many other so-called men of God is cunningly different from the message of the Bible.
Third. Am I suprised then by his power? No. I actually expect such men in this age of ours. The bible has generally said false prophets will come. It also made us know in revelation, that it is the Devil that empowers these men to perform miracles and signs through the figurative two unclean toads.
The purpose is to present a counterfeit religion that leads away from God.
What's their end then? Jesus said also in the bible, that these sort of men will cry out at the judgement and say 'lord lord, in your names we perform miracles and cast out demons' but Jesus will reply them and say 'get away from me into damnation for I know you not. '

Scatterscatter:
For those calling TB Joshua fake, please tell me how much he paid Angel Gomez to act this

Take it or leave it, "there is natural and there is supernatural"

See no doubt he has powers. I have studied him e'en from close. He has supernatural power. But, from my study of him and the Bible, I have also come to know 99.99% that the source of his power is not God. He sadly might not know this himself

Allah (from al-ilah;the god) is an Arabic word for God.
Arab is a Semitic tribe that includes Hebrew, Aramaic and some Canaanite tribes.
The languages of these tribes are related. Way back in history, these tribes word for God was El.
Elohe/Elohim in Hebrew, Allah in Arabic and Alaha in Aramaic are cognates.
Allah, Elohim or God is a title like father, king or teacher. Among these tribes, especially the Hebrews, there was a personal name for God, which was Jehovah.
To proof this further, just look at the names of many prophets of Hebrew descent that Islam recognises and reverence, and you will see that they are compound words that contain Jehovah or it's diminutive form, Jah. Examples are Elijah; my God(El) is Jehovah(Jah), Zechariah; Jah remembers, Isaiah and Jesus, which both mean, Jehovah is salvation etc.
What's my point? You can be dismissed as a bastard if you think your fathers name is daddy!
PAUSE NOW, and think. If you do not know God's name till now, could it be that contrary to your conviction, you aren't really having any relationship with him? Won't you agree that the first thing you know about a prospective friend is his/her name? What word do an infant first learn? or can you really say you are an important member of staff of an organisation if you don't know the CEO's name? *Then God said once more to Moses:“This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation. Exodus 3:15.* - ```Oluwatosin Emmanuel Maduka.```