Kobojunkie:
I know what Jesus Christ commands, what I don't know is how you interpret "Spread the Gospel..." into win souls. Help me out here.

I have a simple questions for u.
What's spreading d gospel or preaching of d gospel if it's not salvation of souls?
Jesus Christ bring d gospel into this world nd mainly to bring many souls into glory.
God gave his only begotten son Jesus Christ to reconcile many sons back to him.

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention so you don't introduce unnecessary deviation here !

So, you are saying that when Jesus Christ declared in Matthew 22 vs 1 - 14 that many are called but few are chosen, Jesus Christ in fact lie?

When Jesus Christ openly taught that only a few will find the narrow gate which leads to true life , in Matthew 7 vs 13-14 , Jesus Christ lied?

When in John 6 vs 43 -45 Jesus Christ declared that only those that are taught by God belong to Him He also lied?

When Jesus Christ declared in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 that those who did as He commanded will enter into His Heaven, He lied?

And all this because your choose to interpret Jesus Christ's commandment to go preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to the world as a game of numbers, this ministry of reconciliation you hold to?

What does salvation means to u in d first place?
If u are saved, what stopped u from reaching out to others?
If salvation is not about numbers, then why did Jesus Christ died for the whole world John 3 vs16?
Why did God gives you a ministry of reconciliations, if u are not interesting in reaching out to others?
Matt 28 Vs 18 is also d world of Jesus Christ to his disciples to go nd preach d world.
If salvation is not about numbers ,why did Jesus Christ sent his disciples out 2 by 2 to preach d gospel?

BluntTheApostle:


You don't know the consequences of what you are writing.

There is God's sovereignty in salvation.

Salvation is in fact, about God, not man.

Don't believe that you can limit God's ability simply because you can't imagine Him giving salvation to stones.

It is not possible.
Acts says there's no salvation in no other apart from Jesus Christ.
Salvation is mainly for mankind nd mankind alone.
Jesus Christ died for mankind nd mankind only, not for stones or things.
Go nd study Ur Bible very well nd stop listening to some end time preachers.
I can clearly see that u are saved at all to talk like this.

Kobojunkie:
But God never asked anyone to win souls for Him. The soul He is more interested in is your own and what He commands of you is obedience of His commandments in order that you may have works of righteousness , the fruit of obedience He demands from all those who belong to Him.

U are not a born again Christian , so don't know what it is to be a Christian.
Matt 28 says Go ye into d world nd preach d gospel to all nations...
God has given all born again Christian d ministry of reconciliations... reconciliating d world back to him.
U are not a Christian nd born again at all.

jesusjnr2020:
Not surprised.

That's what the Pharisees said of Jesus and even John the baptist when they exposed their hypocrisy and falsehood.

So if they were here, you'd say the same of them, so who am I?

Therefore say whatever you like, it makes no difference of the Truth.

Meanwhile keep denying the obvious that this had nothing to do with God but a man's business.

U only heard one side of the story nd u've criticizing d church.
40 Pastors were sacked, where are d other 39 pastors? Why is he d only running to social media to complain?
The guy's call is questionable in d first place

Kobojunkie:
So, you are saying that when Jesus Christ declared in Matthew 22 vs 1 - 14 that many are called but few are chosen, Jesus Christ in fact lie?

When Jesus Christ openly taught that only a few will find the narrow gate which leads to true life , in Matthew 7 vs 13-14 , Jesus Christ lied?

When in John 6 vs 43 -45 Jesus Christ declared that only those that are taught by God belong to Him He also lied?

When Jesus Christ declared in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 that those who did as He commanded will enter into His Heaven, He lied?

And all this because your choose to interpret Jesus Christ's commandment to go preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to the world as a game of numbers, this ministry of reconciliation you hold to?

Are u the one to determine d few that are chosen by not doing ur work of reconciliation?
Jesus Christ died for d whole world nd it's d responsibility of every born again Christian to do d ministry of reconciliations .
If u are talking like this,then ur salvation is questionable.
If u could be saved , what stopped u from reaching out to others to have d same salvation?
If u are stingy with salvation by not reaching out to others, then u are not saved at all in d first place.
If u are saved nd have experienced d joy of salvation, u will reach out to world to enjoy d same salvation u have.
I can definitely see that u are not saved in d first place, thinking u are part of d few that will make it to heaven.

BluntTheApostle:


Always read properly before quoting me.
There was nowhere that I wrote that salvation wasn't about people. But Salvation can never be useless simply because mortals reject it.

The guy I quoted wrote that Salvation is useless without people

And I responded that salvation is not useless without people.

Anything from God cannot be made useless simply because people don't get involved.

Yes, Salvation is meant for mankind, but mankind cannot think too big, otherwise God might just give salvation to stones instead.

After all, Salvation was meant originally only for the Jews. They rejected Christ, and God extended it to the Gentiles.

Supposing the Gentiles rejected, God will always have the ability to give Salvation to whatever object He desires.

When you say Salvation is useless without people, it is the same as saying God needs us.

God doesn't need us. We are the ones who need Him.

If we reject Salvation, it doesn't make Salvation useless, it only makes us useless.

God doesn't force anything on people.
Salvation is mainly for human beings, nd some people will definitely reject salvation bcuz people even rejected d saviour Jesus Christ.
John 3 Vs 16 shows d love of God towards mankind.
Salvation cannot be extended to things or stones even if man rejects it.
God gave his only begotten son to bring many sons unto glory ( people). Jesus didn't die for things or stones, but died for human beings.
There's no ability elsewhere to extend salvation to things or stones, if mankind rejected salvation that's d end of it.
Salvation is d end of discussion, after that there's nothing else God can do for mankind.
Why do u think people will go to hell fire? Bcuz they rejected salvation, that's all.
Salvation is mainly for mankind nd it cannot be extended to things or stones, even if mankind reject it.
Jesus Christ ( human being) died for human beings, not for object or stones.

Kobojunkie:
So Because Jesus Christ told you to go out and preach His Gospel to the World, you choose then to be convinced , against Jesus Christ's own declaration that only a few will enter into His Kingdom, that it is instead a game of numbers?

U don't know the scripture neither are you born again.
Jesus will never tell u to go into d world nd preach d gospel if Jesus know that only few will enter into God's kingdom.
Jesus Christ died for d whole world nd it is d responsibility of Christians to go nd preach the gospel to the world.
He has given all born again Christian the ministry of reconciliation... To reconcile d world back to God. Or this is not in ur own Bible.

jesusjnr2020:
Stop using winning of souls as an excuse.

How do you know that he didn't win souls?

Do you even know what it means to win souls or you confuse soul winning for inviting people to one's church?

You would obviously think Jesus wasn't making efforts to win souls when many of His disciples left Him, and would justify His sacking if He was the one, but wisdom is justified of her children.

For a ministry that runs several businesses yet doesn't even pay taxes, erect edifices worth several biillions for a show, could afford luxurious lifestyles for its leader, like having several private jets, it could afford to pay much much more, so stop deceiving yourself.

It's like u have an issue with the church.
It's more than the issue of d pastor being sacked.
Ur Christianity is questionable surely or u are not even born again at all.
Is there anything wrong with a ministry having several businesses?
The ministry has 35,000 workers on their payroll monthly.
40 Pastors were sacked out of how many Pastors they have?
They have over 10,000 new churches between last year nd this year, nd they have Pastors for each church.
If 40 Pastors were sacked, that means the Pastors aren't competent enough to handle the sheep.

Kobojunkie:
You are the one turning the Bible upside down. Salvation has nothing to do with people and Numbers. The New Covenant agreement that Jesus Christ represents is between God and the individual, not peoples or nations or groups of any kind.

Also Jesus Christ already hinted severally that only a few will make it out of a multitude who will attempt to enter into His Heaven. That there clearly spells out for you that it is indeed not about the numbers but about the quality of the candidates - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

Do not confuse what you see of Christianity today with the Truth of God.

I'm sorry to say this...
U don't know the scripture at all nd Ur Christianity is questionable.
Matt 28vs 18- 19 says Go ye therefore nd teach all nations ( which is people the Bible is referring to here).
Acts 3 Vs 41 talks about 3 thousands souls added to the church .
Acts 6 Vs 7 talks about the number of disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly.
Acts 13 Vs 47- 49 talks about d Gentiles hearing d word of God nd many believed nd were converted.

These all show that the salvation of souls has to do with numbers.

jesusjnr2020:
The Truth is that this exposes and also confirms the real motive behind the drive of the church to create branches. It has nothing to do with the expansion of God's Kingdom but that of men.

As much as we'd rather want to sugarcoat this and lie to ourselves, it's a glaring case of misplaced priorities.

The same church that is erecting structures that cost billions upon billions, yet it can't find money to pay those they employed to pastor their church branches, which are yet able to run itself.

If the same person in question now starts preaches the nonsense that people want to hear, and it leads to the rise in membership of the branch and consequently the finances of the church, they would retain him regardless and wouldn't have excuses not to collect the extra from the church. Now it's the flip side and they're trying to use grammer to confuse themselves not those who know the Truth.

This is the reason why many now are no longer preaching the Words of the Spirit but the words of the flesh, because that's what men want to hear.

They'd also sack Jesus because He would preach the Words of the Spirit regardless, even if it makes Him not to meet the church's so-called growth-index, but wisdom is justified of her children.

God bless.

Is it a ministry that has over 35,000 workers they pay monthly u are talking about?
What's his work if he can't go out to win souls when the founder himself goes out to win soul.

BluntTheApostle:


Heaven is not about numbers.

Please, let us fear the Lord, and stop perverting His word.

Christ was never concerned about the number, and salvation is not useless without people.

Let everyone turn against Christ, and watch the stones praise Him.

You think He feeds on your praise?

If God was about numbers, He would have forgiven Satan. In fact, everyone would make Heaven.

Yet, He has made the Road so narrow and filled with thorns that only a few would find it.

It is the Devil who actually wants numbers because he doesn't want to suffer alone, and wants to take as many people down with him as possible.

Stop turning d Bible upside down, Salvation is definitely about people nd number.
Salvation is not meant for stones , but human being.
God gave his only begotten son to bring many sons unto glory.
The Bible says go into world nd preach d gospel to people , not things.
It is people that get saved, not things.
So the kingdom of God nd making heaven is all about number.
The Bible says I wished that all men be saved.
Why would God gave his only begotten son if it's about numbers?

Sunday2021:
you mean 40 of them?

Do u know how many Pastors they ordained yearly?
They just started over 10,000 new churches, nd one pastor for each.
What's 40 pastors among them.
If the 40 Pastors aren't following d guidelines of the ministry, who are they now leading.

dazzlingd:


Even though I'm not a fan, but the reason for sack is almost unbelievable.
Perhaps, the reason may be due to misappropriation and misconduct.
But whichever way, money is involved

What I've noticed is that most of them don't want to follow d guidelines of the ministry to the full.
U can't be in a ministry that don't their principles.
Even though u hear from God, but u are in a ministry nd u have to follow d ministry guidelines.

Some of these Pastors are stubborn nd they are ready to follow d ministry which okay... if u can't follow d ministry, then start up ur church

sisisioge:


Hmmmm....even if he's hiding under financials, some element of the story will help you see that the church is still wrong.

1. 40 pastors involved. All of them are corrupt?
2. They were sacked! How can God's people cast away theirs? We dont cast away our own, we sort to improve them.

The rest of the story isn't relevant.

U only heard his part.
He said 40 pastors , have u confirmed it?
I never mention corruption .
Until u hear the other side of the story, don't jump into conclusion.
I'm not a pastor there, but there are guidelines to everything they do as a ministry , if u don't follow it as a pastor then u will have issues.
Every ministry has a guideline nd every pastor in that ministry must follow it to d full.

People just rush nd judge without hearing d other side of the story.

The guy might just use financial issues to cover up, but there's more to been sacked.

I'm not really sure they can sack a pastor for not meeting financial target, but this pastor isn't saying the truth.

It might be that he's not doing d activities a full time pastor should be doing in d ministry like holding service at d right time or following d ministry guidelines.

wunmi590:



Lol, you are very funny, so every pastors must have a mentor to become great pastor?

The work of the ministry is different from the normal Christian life. There's more to the work of the ministry bcuz u are now a shepherd over many sheep.

AdeniyiA:

The same search was launched for Jesus by the scribes and the pharisees when they couldn't comprehend his wealth of wisdom, the problem is, asking for mentors nowadays is a way to Lord over you, respect, adore and worship them, make them your small God, bow to them.
Anybody who asks for mentor is so shallow in the spirit, devalues the powers and the ways of God...

There are advantages of having a Mentor. What will take u years to achieve can be achieved within months. Like Elisha nd Elijah, Elisha didn't go through what Elijah went through nd even got double portion of his anointing.
Moses nd Aaron... So many of them in d scripture.
When u err, there's someone that can correct u.
I said before about Bishop Wale Oke ,when he did something wrong , they corrected him nd stood by him till d end. One thing about the work of the ministry is that result isn't d proof that God is still with u. Saul was still a king over Israel ,but the holy spirit has left him for long nd God has rejected him.
Mentor can put u back in the ways of the lord.
Show me a great man of God in the world today without a mentor?

wunmi590:


Majority of them hate each other... Most especially people who doesn't belong to their circle...

It was because T.B Joshua was not in their circle that was why they didn't send a condolence....

I'm not a member of T.B Joshua church, as I'm a Catholic...

But let's face fact...

He was too busy but he made the statement immediately he was called out... Hypocrisy of the highest order...

No, he didn't.
It was an old massage.
OP was just trying to bring that doesn't matter in here.

The issue I think I know is that of a Mentor. They all wanted to know his mentor. U can't start up such ministry without having a mentor.

Mecka:
Genuine pastors like Abiara declared he was a real man of God. Whites, asians, latinos, africans, arabs, jews, europeans all attended his church and you come here to say he was not for God. Are you God or Holyspirit that can discern real from fake. Repent from your ways. Jesus is coming soon

Did he attend d funeral?

okeyumez:
Oyedepo is a religious extremist whose teachings is centered on materialism.
He is yet to tell Nigerians the role he and former Chief of Army staff played when late Yarduas was flown into Nigeria at midnight to deceive Nigerians that the former president was not dead.
This man doesn't preach love but money. I am glad to be a christian but it is sad 90% of us are worse hypocrites than some Muslims

Bishop Oyedepo nd Winners have 35,000 workers on salary they pay monthly.
Wat else do you want from a man of God

wunmi590:


Lol,

Me I don't have any issues with oyedepo, one of the pastors I like due to his entrepreneurial skills...

Why must he be giving out statement like after he was called out for not sending condolences to T.B Joshua...

I'm not saying he should go, but at least he should be gave like an elderly man in the ministry and do things normal...

I'm a christian, forget about any generational problem, everything that happens to man has been written down....

Do u think Bishop Oyedepo has d time to know if pple call him out bcuz he didn't attend or send delegates for a funeral.
Bishop Oyedepo doesn't have that time.
Bishop has some many sons he need to attend to, not a funeral. He attended Baba Adeboye's son bcuz he's his mentor.

BlackJudas:
[she's not the reason why you're unfortunate and your life is in a mess bro. Grow up]How many Nigerians listen to George Carlin's commedy?

Religion has really messed the black man up. Mama is celebrating 75 years while members are dying at 40.

By the way, whose mama is she? abeg make una get sense.

Religion brings division. just look at your Muslim brothers in northern Nigeria.

Hisbah entered my brothers boutique in Kano and removed the mannequin because it will arouse Muslim men

just imagine such rubbish, God made you, he gave you desire and erection and also self control. so why should an ordinary doll arouse you?

If God hates sex, he would have given you a penis when you are ready to get married

She's celebrating long life.
In Christianity, as born again u determine what life u want to live.
The just shall live by his own faith.
Even her own son has d responsibility to live by his own faith.
As pastors u give prophecies as God commanded you, but the congregation have to access it by their own faith.
If u don't believe in long life, there's nothing anymore pastor can do about it, even God.
God himself takes ur report very serious than any other person's.
The Bible says Fight d good fight of faith... Lay hold on Eternal life.
U have the responsibility to fight it out here on earth.
The Bible says if thou faint in the days of adversity, ur strength is small. Another version says u are a poor specimen if u faint in d days of adversity.
It is every Christian responsibility to determine what they want out of life.

If u want to beat Italy, just score around 80th minutes nd u can defend for d next 10 minutes or so, but England scored in d 2nd minutes nd started defending, it's just a way too off.
The coach is to be blamed, he's technically zero.
They've been scoring just one goal since except against Germany. Scotland showed other teams how to beat England, Italy should thank Scotland a lot.
When I saw d line up yesterday, I just said England is defending with 7 players which will give room for Italy to play different styles of games.
If it's Italy that's defending with 7 players, I know that they will win d game bcuz defence have always been their weapon.

Messi played very well, but it's been d same Messi all these while.
I give it to the coach that didn't totally depend on Messi in d final match.
De Paul was rock solid in d middle of d pitch, Otemendi was d chief executive at d back, Di Maria was a weapon on d wing while Martinez was d hero in goal- post.
That's what a good coach will give u.
They've been in 2 or more Copa America finals with Messi, but winning it has been d issue. Most star players don't perform in a final match

Leave our GO's alone, they are our fathers in the Lord nd we love them like that.
I could still remember when I had about Bishop Wale Oke issue, they all stood by him bcuz of integrity.
One thing is that u can't associate with someone u can't stand for or with.

This prophet also has pastors under him , he's leading ooo.

U can't separate Ministry from Mentorship. If God call u today, u need a mentor to put u through some things in d ministry.

MadamVanessa:





Pastor Eneche is a good man from all indication but it seems he allowed himself to be influenced so much by Bishop Oyedepo.

He should allow God alone to Influence him and not any earthly man called bishop or whatever.

God bless the Pastor.

What is ur problem with Bishop Oyedepo?
He's his mentor or is it you that want to influence him?

Abeggi guys can come up with ways to hit them hard na.
If guys here like 10 fit run am go there together nd about 3 go enter and act as if they came for d interview while others wait around.
Since we are now aware say they are scam, why not be bust them open bcuz someone else might not be lucky to come here and ask about d job.
Someone might just be a victim tomorrow bcuz I know that they won't stop doing this shit.

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I support baba ijesha and yomi for being morally upright

Don't bring disgrace to Christianity.
Stop Ur being stupid by relating d issue with being born again.
It's just a sign that u are not born again

I'm totally disappointed in all these elderly people.
The issue on ground is what the guy did to a minor which is d issue Iyabo Ojo had with them.
Even if d guy was set up, he's still guilty.
Is the association more important than d wrong been done to a minor?
They will just come nd say d elders have spoken? They have to lay good foundation for others.

I'm not surprised, fools do grow old also nd they become elders!
Standing for the truth irrespective of who is involved is d right thing to do.

Kaiser20:

The news pain you I know, you people will always rejoice if Bandit kill police men abi.

We think differently.
Just wait d still d Nigeria police force frame u up one nd u will know what I'm saying.

Take a step back nd start all over again.
Pray about it first nd ensure u are convinced that God is telling u he's d right person, don't rush into it.
Just take ur time cuz it's life journey.