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KunleOshob:
What we are arguing about is that most pastors preach tithing based on the mosaic law as compulsary which is contrary to the teachings and gospel of christianity. That aside the type of tithes being preached today has no biblical basis as it is derived from twisted scriptures. it is also selfishly applyed as the widows, orphans and the poor don't get a kobo from the collections. The abrahamic/Jacob's tithes which you also trying to force into the equation also as no relevance as those examples did not carry any stipulations to be used as doctrines and they are not relevant to christianity. Infact they were voluntary offerings contrary to the manipulative spirit behind the tithes doctrine.

manmustwac:
Athiesm is not a religion Tonye-t but athiest are linked to religion thru thier disbelief. So lets imagine Islam United are playimg Christian City don't u think that that an athiest who is not passionate about either side winning would be the best person to referee the game?

ttalks:
Tonye, we have never ever established that Jesus Critisized the tithe or any aspect of the law.Never!
Don't read false meanings into what we say.

Zikkyy:
To answer your question, i would say Jesus was in support of the practice of tithing (as stipulated in the book of the Law).

Tonye-t my understanding of your post is that tithing in general (& not tithing under mosaic law) is still relevant. Maybe so. But we do not have good details of other form of tithing is practiced. Modern day practice makes reference to mosaic law. Even if we do agree that tithing under mosaic law is still relevant, is the modern day practice in accordance with law? No.

so whatelse are we still arguing about, words dont lie

KunleOshob:
You can be rest assured that my brother tonye-t would work harder to convince you, after all it is evident that his livelihood depends on tithes. Abi you want him to starve?

@ KunleOshod my brother, men you are really funny , i aint no pastor abeg, its only my duty to make peeps see the truth here that what you people say has been abolished is not really true afterall, and it takes someone who studies the scriptures to rightly divide this word of truth (2tim.)

And again i dont need to work harder to convince you, the bible will, as i have been showing you guys so far

@zikkyy nice to meet you ,Zikkyy i just read you sentences and will love to reaffirm some opinions to you as it appears you have a good bearing in the things of the scriptures although you need some clarity


Now to the issue at hand

1.KunleOshod i read what you said about the titheing of abraham and dat of the israelites, now i ask you, does the topic of this thread say that "the mosaic titheing is still relevant" i guess not, rather it said titheing as a practise still holds, isnt it, now i have explained here b4 that when the bible said Abraham gave a tithe of all, now doenst that mean tithe of gold, silver, diamond, garments, raiment, and all other booties? now what will you compare with all this booties with what we have in our own time, you are crying foul for peeps who give money, i wonder how much you'll cry if they give their all ,. Take circumcision for example, when Abraham did his, was it not with a sharp stone, now i refer you to read the circumcision that was practised in Jesus' days, it was not the same as Abraham's time atleast the instruments differed, yet when they talked about circumcision in the bible, they still relate it back to the circumcision of Abraham's time. Now the Qal (original titheing practise) of Abraham's time was A TENTH OF ALL, as far as am concerned TITHEING OF TODAY IS STILL RELATED regardless of whether its the QAL or TERUMUOT, because the former and both the later still holds, the book of romans will explain better

2. Now to you zikkyy, please when you read Matt.23:23, did that verse looked/sounded/seemed/acted/voiced like Jesus said titheing should not be practised again, just this question for you, prolly your answer may even end this topic who knows


Matt.23:23 - "Jesus said, Practise mercy, practise justice, practise faith and also do not neglect to pracitise tithe (MATT.23:23 -Hebrew-English paraphrased bible)


PLS WHAT DID JESUS SAY HERE AND DOES IT SOUND LIKE TITIHEING SHOULD BE ABOLISHED, BE IT QAL OR TERUMUOT?

God bless you

Quote from: KunleOshob on September 22, 2009, 10:53 AM
@Gentleme
As you  are obviously on the the curse of the law of tithing i would only pray for you the see the light and receive true salvation which cannot be bought with tithes but is given to us freely through the grace of our lord and savious Jesus christ the son of the living God. However i cannot also stand by and allow fellow "christians" to continue to spread a lie using the name of christianity whilst continuosly dragging in into disrepute. It's no use trying to quote ttalks out of context as i believe we are not illeterates on this forum. He clearly said that it is glaring from scriptures that ustice, mercy and faith were incorporated in to the new covenant whilst tithes was not even contemplated beocs as the bible rightly told us in Hebrews 7: it is a weak, useless and unprofitable law.

chukwudi44:
Your stupidity is amazing,when christ made that stament in matt23:23 was tithe not still valid ?hadchrist died on the cross then?
till the death of christ on the cross burnt offerings and other jewish law were still in effect but all that changed when christ paid the supreme sacrifice on the cross.

@ Chukwudi44,

gooooosh, muct you call someone STUPID,bocs a forum grants us all the opportunity to interact doesnt mean it should be abused, OOLADEGBU may be a senior friend or brother who knows and you go al out to say this is quite immatured you know? As far as am concerned you have little or no place as regarding this topic in the first place, why? its been confirmed you're a CATHOLIC and catholics are baseless in Christianity as a faith, am not trying to be sentimental but your posts so far butresses my thoughts.

@Boobyaf, thanks bro, i read your comments so far and i must give respects, you are too much

@Ttalks and OOLADEGBU i greet you brothers, aw una dey

Back to the topic:

Where you guys are not getting it is this! i read someone say that when Jesus spoke on his rebuke to the pharisees in Matt.23:23 , he never actually meant it for the disciples, now if i may ask, do you mean to say that HE ENDORSED TITHEING FOR THE PHARISEES IN THAT STATEMENT because THEY PRACTISED THE LAW AND NOT APPROVE IT FOR HIS DISCIPLES? isnt that pathetic?,

- Even as regarding the law that you guys are condemning, Jesus christ even participated in it, If Jesus hated and abolished the law, then how come he even participated in the law and its provisions with examples listed blow:


1. He was circumcised, as did Abraham and his descendants (was it not in the OLD testament? that you guys call abolished testament) - Luke.2:21

2. He was dedicated in the temple, as did the law provided (was it not in the OLD testament?)

3. He was Baptized, as did Namaan of old under Elisha's time (was it not in the OLD testament? that you guys call abolised testament) -2kings.5

4. Even when he read, from what book did he read from (was it not from Isaiah's book of the ABOLISHED COVENANT as u guys put it)- Luke.4:17

5. He attended the passover and even practised it according to the was your ABOLISHED COVENANT says it should - Matt.26:17

and the list goes on and on safe for space and bytes.


Now this is where i have been painfully explaining to you guys that what you guys think was abolished is not actually what was abolished,

i have explained it from previous posts and would not want to do same

when next i come  i will explain better

- THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT and its significance to we christians as regarding TITHES

- THE MELCHISEDEK PRIESTHOOD and its connection with Jesus Christ and its significxance to us christians as regarding TITHES

- THE MOSAIC COVENANT and the NEW COVENANT and its significance to us christians

- WAS THE LAW REALLY ABOLISHED ; God is no author of confusion

until then, pls lets try and control our emotions as not to end up abusing ourselves here. KunleOshod i greet you too 

OLAADEGBU:
He is an offering in the place of Isaac;

He is a King from the line of David;

He is a wise counsellor even above Solomon;

He is a beloved, rejected and then exalted son like Joseph. And yet far more.

The heavens declare His glory and the firmament shows His handiwork.

He is, was and always will be;

He is the first and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, the Aleph and the Tau, the A and the Z;

He is the firstborn of them that slept.

He is the "I AM that I AM," the voice of the burning bush.

He is the Captain of the Lord's Host, the conqueror of Jericho.

He is enduringly strong; entirely sincere; eternally stedfast; immortally grateful; imperially powerful; impartially merciful. In Him dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily; the very God of very God.

ttalks:
^^^ And the delusion continues.

A matured christian is expected to make statements and not sentence.

brgds.

chukwudi44:
Let all of us just a[b]ssume[/b] that tithing is still valid.

in tithing we have to follow the procedure laid down by the bible.

The Bible had 2 types of tithes

1.melchizesek tithe -paid once in a lifetime

2.levitical tithe -paid once in three years

To which of these 2 categories do modern tithing fall under ?

Flesh and blood has not revealed that to you my brother, now you are talking , atleast you have a base now, the next modules will come afterward. God bless you! and to correct you, there aint nothing as modern titheing!

JeSoul:
lol . . . because it is a simple lie. And no matter of spin or twist you apply to the scripture to make it bend to your personal convictions will work.

Tithing is optional. And the one who tithes is no better or worse than the one who doesn't.

Allta:
My dear Mr Tonye-t,

For one second, let me assume I'm wrong with that statement, but If early Christ, The Disciples and Christians neglected the lightier part, then I'm prepared to serve the consequences they served. In other words, if there was no record (in the Bible ofcourse) to show they didn't neglect the "lightier part", then I believe there will be no record to show that me too, will neglect them. My brother, I have chosen to concentrate on those things that do count. Like I said, I'm opened to witnesses which are only inspired by God's words that early Christians didn't neglect Tithing.

BTW, I believe the Law was binding before the death of Christ, and it was at that point that things shifted, isn't it? But despite that, no record showed Christ or Disciples paid Tithe, or am I missing out something?

Allta:
@ Mr Tonye-t

This is what I know , people should be allowed to do what they believe is right! Being a Christian is a choice in the first place, believing there is a God is a choice in the first place, btw there are still "Bible Believing" people till date that think eating pig is wrong and there are still some that sacrifice rams and bulls to appease God. There still people who pay Tithe annually, every 3 years and even using fruit produce rather than money, the only thing that consign me is to preach the gospel, the truth and make disciples of nations. If those disciples chooses to take my interpretation about tithing/sacrificing/pig-eating, it's between them and their God. If they decide to even eat their "Tithe" along with the motherless, orphans, levites/pastors, foreigners, I WILL GLADLY LET THEM!

A lot as been said about this tithing thing and I just don't want to be dragged into another hulla-balloo. But if Christ didn't Tithe, and the people that were first called Christians didn't, whatever consequences they suffered for not doing so, I'm prepared to suffer same. Maybe Tithe wasn't relevant in their days , the early days which followed crucifixion, maybe it's only relevant in our own days; everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of the word of God, but that wouldn't change God's word.

Hey, talking about Matt 23:23, why did the Bible say that the Pharisees, Saducees and Hypocrites paid Tithe but didn't record that Christ and the Disciples tithed? Or why didn't the Bible record that Early Christians , those who were first called Christians paid Tithe. Why did Tithe now resurfaced years after the Bible days?

Please tell people the truth about Tithe, if they still want to pay, let them, and if they don't, let them as well.

Until someone show me from the Bible that Jesus, The Disciples and Early Church paid Tithe, I will continue to believe it's not new testamental. I do believe sha that the Pharisees, Saducees and Hypocrites pay Tithe. At least the New Testament recorded it.