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KunleOshob:
I am still very much around on the thread but i decided to slow down on my posting since that silly girl pilgrim.1 resurfaced under a pseudonym. She brings out the worst in me and her outright deliberate dis-honesty always makes my skin crawl with my head wanting to explode hence the reason i restrain myself from posting less i denegrate to an abusive dunce like her.

what a pity Bro! so u now know say 'SHOES GETS SIZE'  , whether she is Pilgrim1 or Pilgrimage100 does it matter, wat matters is your ability to beat a thousand of IDs with you knowledge irrespective of their aliases or disguise    pls no fall my hand oh! Ogajim hmm sorry KunleOshod

ttalks:
Note/Observation:

Tonye-t keeps advocating that he does not tithe according/based on the Mosaic law.

Do you have a problem with that

Zikkyy:
Find below my thoughts one time on this issue of New Testament tithing

Christ comment in Mathew 23:23 relates to the requirement of the Mosaic Law which was still being adhered to by the Jews at the time (perhaps with some modifications).  We all agree that an “informed” tither today does not render his/her tenths based on the Mosaic Law. That’s why I never see this as a ‘good enough’ justification to tithe.

Yes in a way, Nay in another way

How i mean:

Yes in the sense that the custom (QAL) dated way back b4 the mosaic introduction (PIEL)

Nay in the sense that the mosaic introduction showed us the blessing tied in the practise (TERUMUOT)

The two both plays a role of helping us know the subject better and brighter

do you understand, and by the way WAS TITHING REFERRED TO AS A LAW, pls answer this

Zikkyy:
I think it’s better to say one is inspired by the practice of tithing in the bible as a basis for tithing.

Zikkyy:
I have a question here; do we really need an intermediary between us and Christ?

The way you guys ask questions really baffle me, or maybe the word levites, priests, and others sound too heavy to hear by you guys as you need someone to tell you that still yet in the early church some folks assumed these offices though with different names. read greek interpretations of the offices again and maybe we wont be asking such questions.

I can go on and on quoting more examples of intermediaries, but i know allwill be to no avail. come to even think of it, maybe you guys should start paying me for my lectures sef , lol joking!

Zikkyy:
The result is that a lot of Christians do not know why they tithe, and instead sees it as an investment. There is no sincerity in giving anymore. It’s possible a lot of people will stop tithing if you remove the blessing element that’s believed to be associated with tithing.

Zikkyy:
The issue I have with tithing is not you rendering a tenth of your income to your church/MOG

chukwudi44:
Your stupidity is already a universaly acknowleged fact,was tithing the only part of the law that prceded moses?how come criminals like you and your pastors don't preach about burnt offerings abi because that one won't bring money into your pocket ?

in the NT,apostle Paul condemmed as heretics [people who preached compulsory circumcision as a requirement for salvation even though it actually precede moses ?I fit was a standard like you claim it was why then did paul condemn it?

the last time I checked freewill offferings (not burnt offerings ) were reiterated in the NT,but no where in the bible did I see where christians were asked to pay tithes

even if you claim to pay tithes under the order of melchizedek ,based on that order how maby btimes did Abraham pay tithes to melchizedek? was it not once and it was even from the proceeds of war.

you must be stupid to think that this crusade is going to end ,on the contrary it is only just begining,wait until nigeria aquitres it's full ICT potential. This crusade to liberate christians who has long being enslaved and deprived of their hard earned money from thr like of Mattew A$HIMOLOWOLO,CREFLO $,TONYE-T e.tc

Just a typical example of the reason why i refrain from answering people like you, Chukwudi44 my friend, why are your posts always filled with insults and abuses, they portrait sighns of immaturity you know, the best you can do is not to answer anyone rather than raining bitterness. it aint right. God bless you!

KunleOshob:
I am here you must be missing me hence your attempts to label me other wise i am not really bothered if you like you can label me as that idiot called pilgrim.1 it won't raise an hair of my chest. As i said earlier my campaign againts the evil, greedy twisted and heretical false doctrine of tithes remains my christian obligation as the scam is bringing christianity into disrepute and some of us are still interested in protecting the integrity of the faith.

Yes, u are right Bro! but wait a second, you're beginning to act way more funnier you know , you seem to be going out of the thread. well wat ever!

ogajim:
Tonye-t

Are you sure of what you quoted on Matt. 23:23? You must have a different Bible than the rest of us DUDE

Here is the whole Matthew 23 for everyone:

Matthew 23

1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

~~

We need to stop twisting the Scriptures to suite our individual purpose, greed, or whatever. Giving is without a doubt IMPORTANT in our Christian WALK but it is not all that we need to make Heaven, giving comes in all forms BTW.

KunleOshod my dearest friend, i do not understand what you mean by misquoting yourself, believe me, where did i quote Matt.23:9, i cant seem to understand again, believe me.

ogajim:
Tonye-t,

I know you started this thread but as you can see, it's 4th and LONG and maybe it's time you PUNT like any sane man would do.

Thank you and God bless you.

adefash:
The topic says"Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental?"
I FASH stand to tell you categorically that TITHING is not a new testament practice.go thru this linkhttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-307798.0.html and i hope you will be convinced and not to be confused that tithing is not new testament.ok?

Bro, i have gone thru' that URL and there aint nothing new from what anti-tithers argue with as a case, another dumb link you've got there

chukwudi44:
@tonye-t

when christ made that statement in matt 23 ,was the law not still in force then ?,Jesus lived under the dispensation of the law,it was only abolished by his death,that's why the likes of st Paul had to fend for himself by building tents rather than twisting the scripture like today's modern pastors

gooosh, i cant help it but say that your posts are always so daft! can you give me a wider explanation to your claim, was tithing a law, why should a non-law practise abolish with the law, so do you wish to tell me that offerings abolished too, afterall it existed b4 the law and it existed in the law.

When will peeps know the difference btw the law and a standard!

hmmmmm, chukwudi44, pls read your bible and not a pamflet issued during masses, ok  

ttalks:
I have been alright and still am.

I'm not going to argue that Matthew 23:23 with u cos I know I wouldn't make any headway;we've been through that before.

Instead, I'd rather you and viaro thrash out the differences in your opinion as regards whether it is compulsory for Christians or not(since u guys favor tithing howbeit differently).

I know viaro has tried to do that earlier with u but that got lost in the midst of other banter on the topic.

1. Were have we been thru' that before, i ask you?

2. since you are dragging me and viaro together, then dat means you prolly have nothing to offer henceforth you should mop ok?

3. Did you say viaro did * with me? 

Brother, i have explained alot here and still willing to explain even though peeps like you wont listen,does it matter? wat i believe is right is what i do

cheers! 

ttalks:
Observation/Note:

For Viaro, tithing is not compulsory but voluntary.

For the OP; Tonye-t, tithing is compulsory since he believes it is an injunction on Christians.

Conclusion: The argument/fight is against the latter's position and not the former's.

And i am still standing on the fact of Matt.23:23,

[size=14pt]"you should show mercy yes, you should be faithful yes, you should show fairness yes, and should you tithe also yes" (Hebrew- english paraphrased version)[/size]

now those this verse seem/look like a voluntary statement i ask? never-say-die-brethrens like ttalks, zzikky, kunleOshod wat else do you want me to say, go back and study tithes better for yourself, not from anti-tithers but neutral and wise minded folks.

God bless you!

Nice to have you back, aw u dey na? 

Zikkyy:
I am cool. Been busy. Was hoping this war ooops sorry i mean discussion will extend to next week so i can be part of it (less busy then).

Well, i can say attempts to stop some tithers from rendering his/her tenths could have some health/psychogical implications. In the course of discussing tithing with some tithers, the look on some faces make me wish i never tried explaning/educating him/her about tithe. I think the war/protest at the abuses of tithing should be directed at the churches/MOGs. Encouraging people to read the bible (and not just the verses quoted by the MOG while in church) is not a bad idea as well. A tither wishing to tithe after obtaining a clear understanding of tithe can better defend his/her position (which is usually what i want to see and not the MOG's quotes). Its sad a good number of our people are either illiterates or just not prepared to reason things for themselves and therefore vulnerable to manipulation.

People like Tonye-t should always prepare to be attacked if they keep coming up with "funny" theories on tithing.

You see why i say you seem confused from the origin, where have i said we should tithe based on what our MOGs teach us, go back to the very first post and read my intro comment again, i said there that i used to simply base my believes on what they(MOGs ) say but after all and sundry i resorted to studying this issue myself. read almost all my posts here and you'l find out that its either i refer to greek, hebrew/aramaic teachings of the topic and most importanly that of the biblios, and not what Oyedepo, or chris, or adeboye or kumuyi teaches. lest i forget noce to have you back bro, i specially kept some questions for you while you're gone

rabzy:
I say Tithing is not new testamental.

rabzy:
more so it has been serially abused by dubious pastors

rabzy:
but going strictly by the scriptures, tithing is not part of christian obligation.

jagunlabi:
That is the whole idea,is it not?The youths must learn to trust in themselves to make a positive change in the realities that they are experiencing.The reason why things are upside down is that they have no belief in themselves to make these changes and they spend too much time on praying to and place too much trust on an entity up in the sky to come down and do everything for them,which is nothing but a grand delusion.And,yes, the older generations are also very guilty of this.
As the saying goes,"Teach a man how to fish and he will feed well,but give a man religion and he will die of hunger praying for a fish."