₦airaland Forum

ttalks:
Tonye-t, I too also specifically responded in a post of mine that there is no difference in giving/offerings. Giving is a general term that covers provisions to meet needs as they arise.

Pastors and their brethren both deserve the help or giving of others to meet needs when they come up; but this is subject to the willingness and ability of the givers and not on the basis of any mandatory aunction.

lysaa:
whether tithing is of the new or old testament, what's there in giving a tenth of your increase to God?

bawomolo:
why do you need a weekend weakened flesh to talk to God better?

Maybe because our flesh is in enmity with God

ccollins:
Lol,too much heaps of arguement.simply just follow what the bible says abt tithing and be a cheerful giver[b].@ tony-t ,are u trying to say Jesus abolished the whole law or He made amends to i[/b]t.i am not saying we are under the curse of d law but we are justified by faith and are under d grace of God.

Rockamon:
That people say they are born into christianity, have read the Bibe all their lives and still believe in paying tithes have a problem. please I advice them to forget what their greedy pastors have taught them and go back and study, their bible. The human mind can be made to believe anything, if not how do you explain that 'Mr. Boko Haram' who drives around in flashy cars, owns handsets saying education is evil. How are tithe believing christians any different

KunleOshod, No matter how hard you try to come up with IDs i can always get you, if not with my TCP/IP tracking, i can do so with you brash comments against "greedy pastors"  you know something, you seem too desperate but childish in expressing yourself, must you come up wit a thousand IDs just to prove a point? *shakes head*

kunleOshod then Ogajim thereafter Razky now you come with Rockamon, all this are really unnecessary, cant you just come up and say what you know without ranting and slamming another, or you never thought someone could beat you in this topic while you felt you have succeeded in convincing ignorant NLders about the lies of the irrelavancy of tithe/tithing.

None of your post seizes to disappoint me , you know

and lest i forget pls dont disgrace yourself Brother, u were meant to start saying something, afterall you pose yourself as GREAT KUNLEOSHOD- THE ANTITITHER, everyone is waiting for something

Zikkyy:
I suggest you open the floor. After all you started this wahala.

Zikkyy:
please speak english (my greek is very poor).

now i see y you have'nt understood my case all the while. well i started this thread so i think its of my discretion to choose the `arakh dont tell me you just dont understand this simple greek i used there

viaro:
You've spoken well, and I think you have brought us back to a sensible way of looking at the subject. I'd been thinking of doing that same thing sometime when less busy in the coming months,

see why i always feel the SPIRIT OF GOD IS ONE for believers

KunleOshob:
They can be paid from voluntary offerings donated freelly by church members after the primary people [the needy] that the bible says church collections are meant for have been taken care of.

KunleOshod, answer a simple question dont shy away ok?dont disgrace your folks here, answer simple questions, and pls where did you bring about this new offering from called VOLUNTARY OFFERING?

KunleOshob:
No one as ever disputed that pastors should not be paid by the church but there is NO teaching in the bible wether from OT or NT that they should be paid from tights

KunleOshod, did i read you just saying NO teaching in the bible whether they should be paid from tithes .hmmmmmm you are beginning to sound heretic you know

KunleOshob:
as we all know that tights in the bible was not money but agricultural produce .

Did anyone say tithe [U] MUST BE MONEY(s) [/u] now i see where your confusions have laid all this while

KunleOshob:
There is evidence of temple tax though as there is a record of Jesus and the disciples paying it once, and if i remember well it was a very tiny inconsequencial amount and not tights which was agricultural produce.

Thank you very much, today i choose to agree with you, now ask yourself from where did this romans get the concept from? and why did JESUS HIMSELF EVEN GIVE THEM, at least he would have resisted them if the practise was bad *shakes head* and again, has anyone said it should be eveyday or anyday,rather IT STILL STANDS, thats all

KunleOshob:
So in my opinion pastors should be paid from the free will offerings members contribute and they shouldd be content with it as paul admonished in [1 timothy6:5-12] instead of twisting scriptures in their greed to make more money by inventing false doctrine and twisting the biblcal tights from agricultural produce to money.

- giiiiizzzzzzzz KunleOshod, what is the original concept of FREEWILL OFFERING? was it not made to be only used for building the temple? while other offerings have their roles?

- And also KunleOshod, the freewill offering you are quoting, pls where did it emanate from, was it not from the same OT i thought i heard you saying was abolished? goooosh, you are beginning to confuse yourself, and all your COs

-Lest i forget, pls try and explain to me the concept of freewill offering, and also that passage you quoted WAS WRONG, there aint nothing relating this subject there, at least quote it for all to read here

- Brother, you know what, your posts are beginning to look too dry, pls add some grease ok? lest a baby would come up here and beat a thousand of your type and also, maybe the reason for the dryness is because YOUR CHURCH DOESNT EVEN TAKE OFFERINGS SO YOU BARELY EVEN KNOW LITTLE OR NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT

May God bless you!

Zikkyy:
Intermediaries for what? receiving and pocketing tithes? come on Tonye-t give it up. Let me quote an example of how we remits to Christ below.

I see that's the only problem you have and nothing, Zikky you seem to be contradicting yourself, One moment you are saying you approve of the custom the next moment you are crying foul, na wa o. be matured and choose a side bro, this topic is not WHO SAYS TITHING SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN TO MOGs, rather WHO SAYS TITHING IS NOT NEW TESTAMENTAL,

if you have a problem with the MOGs, then come up with a topic in that regards and i'll contribute believe me i will

because its funny to see someone come up to say that THE REASON WHY HE FEELS AGBADA IS NOT GOOD IS because OF THE WAY SLIM PERSON WEAR IT. now thats a perfect scenario with you and your debates

Zikkyy:
Let me quote an example of how we remits to Christ below.

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' (NIV)

is that all that there is to giving to God, giizzzzz , Zikkyy whatever happened to the gifts and help Paul enjoyed of the gentile christians, at least he would have told them to go and only give it all to the poor and widow and then they'll be certified as giving all and all. Men this is not funny at all

debosky:
There is no 'levite after the order of Christ' - the bible tells us we are a royal priesthood, ALL OF US Christians.

Good day Mr.Moderator,

I feel amazed at the kind of questions or posts you unleash here, lest you've forgotten this is religion section, why implies that one must have a good knowledge of what you are standing for b4 asking

you are saying that there aint no levites today that we are all royal priesthood, now i ask you, why do we have BISHOPS, TEACHERS, PASTORS, DEACONS in the bible, what are there called to do, afterall we are all royal priesthood

Before you asked this question did you take the time to find out if

PRIESTHOOD means the same thing as PRIEST , goosh, you guys just talk without giving a thought, that's not right you know. i was actually waiting for one person to say this thing of priesthood all the while and unfortunately it came from MR MODERATOR the funniest part is that b4 you guys come up with a question i seem to think your thought b4 you

chukwudi44:
Tonye-t
how come you don't offer burnt offering since it also precede the law.Also tell me why St Paul condemned compulsory circumcision even when it precede the law.
This is heresy from the very pit of hell,it neither found in the bible nor the writings of the church fathers

My dear friend Chukwudi44 You and your funny questions and assertions, i wonder where you are getting them from

you barely have done anything so far regarding this subject of tithing, so far all you do here is to wait for someone to quote and then you counter or oppose without even thinking or reflecting in the scriptures if what you are opposing is right or wrong.

Answer to your question:

It appears you do not understand th significance of the burnt offering you have been shouting here althrough, for your information or if you care to know, burnt offering was offered even b4 Abraham and its significance meant GIVING UP A LIFE IN EXCHANGE FOR SOMETHING for 4 basic reasons APPEASEMENT,APPRECIATION, CONSECRATION and WORSHIP (TEST for true love)( i choose not to give greek nor hebrew meanings as it appears it could mean a waste here), now ask yourself this,

whom and whom offered BURNT OFFERINGS in the bible and what did they offer it for (purpose for offering), I aint feeling happy explaining this to you but i will though you appear too adamant as all you've been doing so far are raining ABUSES, INSULTS with a wrong craving and not teaching nor contributing.

- When Abraham was commanded to offer a BURNT OFFERING it was to offer a LIVING THING (Man or animal) Isaac was the object for the subject

why: Gen.22:2 said . . .take Isaac whom you love . . . offer him as a burnt offering (WORSHIP -test for love)

- When Japhther gave too, it was his daughter but this time for APPRECIATION

and the list goes on and on,

Now when God gave up Jesus Christ, bible called christ the SACRIFICIAL LAMB, now ask you self, was this sacrificial lamb  (Jesus Christ) not used as the same sacrificial lamb used by the High priests to offer sacrifice for appeasements. Now was that not BURNT OFFERING?

To cut it short my dear friend, all the customs that shewed in the OT were also prevailent on the NT, but with different names and contrast/modifications.

Hint: pick up a good grk/heb. bible, check the terms and words as used in the OT, and check to see if you'll find them in the NT, bet you you will find it and reasons will be given for why the names changed

TITHE in the OT
TAX in the NT, The romans diverted what was supposed to be given to the church leaders to their own economy because they were the power house, and not the sanhedrins.

Gooosh i cant imagine i am even going this long

Bye Bro and God bless you

chukwudi44:
I only post here because I know others are reading this If tonye -t was the only one accessing this posts I would haved stopped posting long again.

"If a Blind man lead another the both will fall into a dish"

debosky:
As clearly indicated, that word is in parentheses, meaning it was not explicitly stated how the Pastor would benefit from the gospel.

What do you understand by the word Parenthesis you used there, keep bringing big terms that unrelate with subjects at hands

debosky:
Paul was given GIFTS by churches who met his needs. I am sure they did not regard that as OFFERING, but as always it is debatable so you cannot claim to make a categorical claim in that regard.

- The Apostle Paul you are quoting of receiving only GIFTS, didnt tht same Paul tell you reason why he chose to take only gifts

- Your lame understanding of the word OFFERING only tells me that you do not have ANY knowledge whatsoever about OFFERINGS in the scriptures, you say offerings offerings offerings yet do not understand their distinctions

- The best i did here was to take my time to explain offerings and where all givings fall within. pls read it SIR!

debosky:
Brilliantly put - one moment Jesus is the High Priest after the order of Melchisedek outside the Aaronic order of Levites, next thing, the Men of God are the levites who are supposed to present our tithes to the High Priest?? ??

cAnT hElP bUt ShAkE mY hEaD, mr.modorotor dis aint true!

ttalks:
Tonye-t,
So, u're trying to tell me that u do not know that the confusion debosky mentioned was in your regard?
You don't have to become an irritant and pretend not to see and understand what people are saying.

My double posting was simply due to the fact that I used my phone to post and it some how resulted in rendering my post twice; so I modified the other into what u saw.

But if i understand better, the referance was as thus

@Ttalks and not @Tonye-t dont mind me i took lots of sucrose this morning lol

ogajim:
Tonye-t, I don't see how I can have an intelligent debate with folks who use "ain't" and " 'em" and remember the apostrophe comes before then E and not the M if you want to speak like a rebel southerner that is.

I am not beginning to think of you as someone who is involved in this unholy scam as you are all over yourself trying to find any justification for this robbery valid or not, you haven't answered simple questions from Zikky or myself instead you attributed my posts to Kunosh accusing him of using another alias, this tithe/prosperity scam started here but you can trust Nigerians to take it to a higher level.

KunleOshod sorry Ogajim, dont tell me you are beginning to lack points hence you've resorted to spotting punctuation faults, at least you could confer a new lecture in the education section so i could also come to learn, believe me i will

debosky:
Excuse me - there is NOTHING like scriptural intuition.

debosky:
Tonye-T's first claim was that it was not a 'law' but a 'custom'. Then he claims people tithed other things apart from food items and then continues to jump all over the place.

Respect to you Mr.Moderator, pls do you read the bible at all? because if you do then you wont be saying such and such here

ttalks:
Just had to delete the double post . . .

debosky:
@ ttalks ,sign of clear confusion

I feel for him too,i understand all the double posting and crying out for an exercise in futility, omashe

ttalks:
- he says pastors are the levites according to the order of Christ

So you dont know? glad you know now!

ttalks:
forgetting that the levictical process on tithes was according to the law