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I still fail to see how a wallet check is excess.

yes, there are excesses, but is this particular example you mentioned, one of them.

jayon:
@tpia lets have a good dialogue and i know u are the band leader of all this unbeliver,atheist insulting a man of God , ok i have accepted he might be wrong in your own perceptive ,why don't you let us shutdown this thread or say something like , HOW HEAVEN WILL BE LIKE , HOW WE CAN CHANGE OUR WORLD WITH OUR FAITH AND BELIVES, LOVE TOWARDS OUR OTHER FAITH OR BRETHREN

once again: why are you so bothered by the thread?

Are you related to pastor Adeboye?

or do you collect your monthy salary from a religious institution? Most likely you're benefitting from church donations as well, hence your jitterbugging here.

why not start a thread on what heaven will be like or any of those other topics you mention. Of course there are plenty of threads here discussing those exact same things, but you cant contribute there because its of utmost importance to take up your sword and defend your pastor's riches honor.

ayomifull:
Does this mean all hope is lost?

I just mean no matter what a president does, he or she will always have critics.

especially a Nigerian president.

@ topic: true, in a way, though i think marrying a plain Jane says more about the husband.

At the very least, it shows he isnt too swayed by appearance.

Gamine:
There are consequences.

name them.

besides the wife leaving, what else?

jayon:
@tpia why are u insulting me all the way, can't we talk about somethingelse, am not an RCCG Church member, don't even go for their conference attend fountain of life church, but how would u feel if u are been criticized in a site ,or by some group of people on something they are not really sure of about you, think tpia

for goodness sake, why are you so sensitive?

Where did I insult you. Do you think your attitude is a mature one, if you so easily take panadol for your pastor's headache?

I repeat, you are very childish in your approach to issues.  Maybe thats what you're calling an insult. If I am actually insulting you, I wont be ambigous about it.

When someone is a public figure, in case you dont know, they are scrutinized by the public. Thats the price of fame, be it religious, govt or movie star fame. The fact that you dont see anything wrong in that jet doesnt mean everyone has to agree with you.


Now you're saying you also dont attend RCCG yet you want to go to war on behalf of RCCG. So you're also not donating money yet crying wolf here.

I tire for all of una religious almajiris. Just repeating phrases they have no understanding of.

geez.

I think I may have heard about this lady (your friend's mom).

I dont know why there's no consequences attached to someone who just rubbishes a 30 year marriage in such an irresponsible manner.

What I find scary is the ease with which they have the affairs.

If you're in a relationship, shouldnt there be some kind of internal check that'll make you pause before you cheat on your partner?  

But some guys (and ladies) just seem to take pride in how much cheating they can get away with, instead of the other way round.


Is it really that hard to stay committed? In my opinion, this kind of thing just shows the lack of regard/respect you have for your SO.

And its not good when such stuff is always associated with a particular country.

see them patting themselves on the back.

jayon, you don miss road, for real.

The only thread you're getting heated up about in the religion section is one where your favorite pastor/reverend is being scrutinized.

The religion section is full of topics dealing with all kinds of issues which I notice you've never posted in , since you probably don't have the faintest inkling of what they're about. The only thing you seem to understand in religion, is, according to you, a pastor must not be queried. The minister is above the law.

E be like say you want make your road jam- you need to get a grip on yourself.

I don't see you on this thread, for example:

Re: Check These 'words Of A Hindu' About Christianity

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-147470.0.html

or this one:

Re: Does Religion Impede Development?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-145770.0.html

and many more. I guess your own understanding of religion is when the pastor says jump, ask how high.

Go ahead and call for the thread to be closed. This is what happens when people humor childish mentality. The first one shouldnt even have been closed in the first place, and because it was, you're feeling so happy your wish is someone's command.

better wake up before your "pastor" wakes you up.

hmph.

which one is judgist?

i learnt something new today.

yeah, let us know when you buy your jet.  Or when your pastor gives you one. After all, you've been supportive enough- you should be rewarded for your non-judging ways.

we smart alecks are conversing.

Gamine:
Back to Square one

See me thinking you had gained some knowledge.

likewise.

Gamine:
Where did u see criticsm here.

Why do u imply such things

oh, I must be reading the thread wrong.

I guess it says Would you attend a church headed by a married pastor.

No stigma about divorce, in Nigeria.

My bad.

that applies more to you.

You know how it is with the log and the speck of dust.

Dont[b] judge [/b] those who are against raising an offering for a $20 million jet. Especially since you're not thinking of helping raise the money. And by your own admission, neither are you a member of the church.

last time I checked, there's such a thing as free speech. I hope the pastor you're so passionately worshipping, knows your name.

I see.

I think Nigeria should go back to just 12 states. Or how many states were there in the 70s?

I fail to see how creating more states is helping anyone. The US has 50 states, but the US is far bigger than Nigeria.

Soon each local govt area will become a state, with the way things are going.

Gamine:
Lies that people are Worshipping Adeboye and Co. e.t.c
Lies that they are forcing people to pay for the jet

why should i "donate" money?

I need direct quotes  and links plz. I've defined worship for you- if you don't accept that definition, then I can't help you. Your not being aware you're worshipping your fellow human being, doesnt invalidate the worship.

am done with the topic for now.   He who has ears to ear, let him hear.

But point out where I said these things you're claiming, so I can understand what you're saying.

Where did i say people are being forced to pay for the jet? In any case, you have a choice not to donate.
Care to explain why you want others to do so but refuse to support the project yourself?

In fact, this is the news i read today on my cell phone:

Calling on Gospel to Call Off Debt
As Financial Crisis Grows, Many Turn to Church for Help


Following the advice of their pastor, the men and women shuffled to the altar, cut up their credit cards and placed them near his feet.

"If we want to have victory, we have to come out of financial bondage," the Rev. John K. Jenkins of First Baptist Church of Glenarden shouted during a recent sermon.

Ordinarily Jenkins's sermons are about spiritual freedom and ridding one's self of sin. But his message has taken a different turn lately -- one that preaches the dangers of overspending and debt.

The sermons are not unusual. With the country on the cusp of a recession and many people burdened by the mortgage foreclosure crisis, skyrocketing gas prices and rising grocery bills, religious leaders across the Washington region are increasingly ministering to their members about financial responsibility, encouraging them to control their spending.

"We tell our members, don't buy dresses and shoes, take trips, all on credit," Jenkins said in an interview. "It's killing us."

Churches are going a step further by providing financial counseling and pointing people to local and state programs that help with finances.

McLean Bible Church in Northern Virginia offers classes on how to handle money according to Biblical principles. And last month, St. Martin's Catholic Church in Gaithersburg hosted a foreclosure prevention workshop to help those in danger of losing their homes.

The churches' efforts are timely. Consumer debt, which does not include mortgages, reached $2.56 trillion in April, up from $2.28 trillion at the end of 2005, according to the Federal Reserve. And a recent report by the Center for Regional Analysis at George Mason University found that the region has one of the fastest growing foreclosure rates in the country.

In Prince George's County, one in 163 households received some type of foreclosure filing in May, according to RealtyTrac, which tracks foreclosure trends. In Prince William County, the numbers were even more staggering with one in every 92 receiving a default or foreclosure notice.

"What we are trying to get over to people is that we have to teach about stewardship the same way we teach about forgiveness," said the Rev. Kerry A. Hill, president of the Collective Banking Group, a consortium of pastors in Prince George's and the District who help area churches finance projects. "A lot of pastors agree that we have talked about tithing, and we need to talk about the other 90 percent."


Zulay Andrade, 41, of Gaithersburg, was three months behind on her rent and afraid her car would be repossessed when she turned to St. Martin's in Gaithersburg. Unemployed for five months, she had recently returned to a job at Target but was struggling to regain her financial footing on a $350-a-week salary.

After going over her finances, leaders at St. Martin's advised Andrade to negotiate with creditors for a reduction in bills, such as her car payment. This month, the church also gave her $200 toward her rent and put her in touch with a program that kicked in an additional $200 for back rent she owed.

"I don't know what I would have done if it hadn't been for the church," said Andrade, the mother of one teenager. "I had gone to social services, but they said they wouldn't help because I was working."

Alan Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, said the problem for some church members is that "Christianity has always had a complicated relationship with money."

On the one hand, Wolfe said, believers are told that the love of money is the root of all evil. Then there are those who preach a prosperity gospel, which promotes that God wants believers to have an abundant life with extraordinary financial blessings.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/19/AR2008071901733_pf.html

These are churches in AMERICA, one of the richest countries in the world.

@ gamine, point out what you are calling lies, in anything I have said here, so i can explain it to you better. You still did not indicate if you're donating money for the jet.


See, this is why that thread shouldnt have been closed.

There's still so much more to be said.

@ Queenisha: am out. i dont see an end to the back and forth.

If you want to criticize the leaders but absolve the religious figures, for what currently goes on in Nigeria, then kudos.

In Rwanda too many religious leaders actively participated in the genocide. In the north, many imams preach sectarianism.

So in Nigerian Christianity, the leaders are by and large holier than thou, and above the law like the Queen of England.

Ok!

Queenisha:
I have never been a member of RCCG.
Have only worshipped as a guest about twice in one of their chapters here in the US.
I love my pastor,I see him as my spiritual head in the Church that doesn't mean I worship him.

I did not say you did.

The thread is about the argument going on about whether it is morally and ethically right for a pastor to purchase a $20 million jet given the state of Nigeria and Nigerians.


@ Gamine: what do you call what you're doing now? Are you not judging people who are against spending $20 million of church money on a jet? If i recall, your defence was, Cant Christians have nice things.

What if people do not want their tithes and offerings spent that way? You're not a member, neither have you indicated you'll donate money towards the jet. Yet you're "judging" on behalf of those who may or may not be.

Is either one of you a present or past member of RCCG?

if you're not, then why are you so bothered by what people say about the church?

am also waiting for your response.

do you have any particular pastor in mind?

I know of a few, but its not a problem I would think about unless I decide to attend their church.

There are many reasons for divorce these days.

Gamine:
You and the "Worshippers" are the same.

Arent you too quick to judge?

Where did u see people worshipping

look up the definition of worship. It means reverent love,devotion,to regard with ardent love or esteem.

Giving your pastor the dedication you should give to God, is worship.

maybe you feel worship is limited to praise and worship singing and dancing on sunday morning.

If you guys know the history of your religion, you'll know why there are so many denominations today. Martin Luther started from somewhere.

madamkoko:
Freedom of speech is not allowed on Nairaland.

Its ok to bash politicans and co but not ok to talk about so called preachers. Such nonsense.

I wonder oh.

small time now them go begin see imaginary halo for people head.

I cant believe even after Jim Jones and rev King, Jesus of oyingbo and their likes, people are still worshipping other human beings in the name of religion.

no, the Christian section doesnt have to be as quiet as the Mus'lim section.

Christians and Mus'lims are not the same, and besides, there's no need to try and mix the two.

As to quietness and agreement: Iran and Iraq are both Mus'lim countries but are at loggerheads with each other.

I checked the Mus'lim section the other day and they were on the lookout for any Ahmadiyyas in their midst.

maybe they're quiet because they're all the same denomination so far.

this Goodluck Jonathan who claims to be from the niger delta- in what way is he making himself useful as the vice president?

Is he only there to take over in the event "something" happens to yaradua the same way he took over from alams?

I dont see any sign of whatever it is this guy is supposed to be doing.

interesting topic.

The start up costs seem rather high, though. I wonder if there's a cheaper method.