₦airaland Forum

limmo:
CERTIFICATE MY FOOT!!!!!!! The one with a certificate, wetin im don achieve? if it were 2 b operation show ur cert, Wole Shoyinka should have been our president now and again. come and see less or non certificate holders flooring degree holders in many working place. Katogbo, katomo, awon ode kan a de maa pariwo certificate. pswwwwwwwwsssssssss

So in your ignorance you think Wole Soyinka has more certificates than every Nigerian? For your information he doesn't even have a PhD. Not that I do not acknowledge his intellect in literature mind you.

OP you can't even spell 'race'? Try locate one of the over 120 almajiri schools near your quickly.

Topeakintola:
Nothing wrong if he attends his own church to worship God.

GEJ goes to different churches for political and not religious purposes.

He has visited almost all denominations from Redeemed to Winners, Catholics, Baptist, Anglican. The main question is when will he visit Olumba Olumba, Guru Maraji, K&S etc. why the discrimination?

If you think it is wrong for our President to use religion to achieve political objectives, click like

When Osinbanjo who is a pastor of Redeemed church visited Lords Chosen church as part of APC campaign what did you say?

“General Buhari is not a magician, “ adding: “He
will not find you a job if you do not go out there and help
yourself.”
Mrs Amosun told “armchair critics” that to build Nigeria
goes beyond sitting at a remote location and criticising on
the social media. “We need to improve our literacy levels in
order to tackle mortality rates and boost education, among
others,” she said, adding: “It is beyond writing on social
media,” to do this.

But this same people expect Jonathan to perform magic and find them job while they spend all their time playing draft and baba ijebu.

talktimi:
I like to hear the general say funny things like stabilizing world oil prices with Nigerian army

If he says that, it will even be to embarrass himself but the truth is that all they do is to insult their country and Nigerians thinking they are impressing the few white folks mostly journalists that will attend.

I was opportuned to attend the one Atiku gave in 2007 in the heat of his problems with Obasanjo when he was also contesting for presidency. He came with Audu Ogbe and Terry Waya with few other folks. Nuhu Ribadu and El Rufai led few others to come and counter all Atiku said, during the Q and A session. You will be so ashamed to see how so called leaders talk down on Nigeria and Nigerians in public because they think that is what will make them look different before the Oyinbos.

The truth is that what they say there does not make the folks there see them as the best but is used to judge Nigeria as a country and increase the negative perception they have of Nigerians.

The fact that corruption attracts lesser punishment than stealing, cases of embezzlement should also be charged as stealing and not corruption as the president had advocated if only to act as a deterrant.

Quote1:
Didn't he say he has fulfilled his promise on power. What stabilization is he talking about when we are now enjoying 247 power supply

You guys just like to twist whatever the president says. He said he has "fulfilled his promise of making the power sector a priority" and he has done that with the privatization and decentralization of power generation and distribution which no government before has been able to do. With the solid foundation already laid, it will be easier for stable electricity within a short period. Sometimes we shouldnt allow ourselves to be blinded by parochial sentiments, politics or just deliberate ignorance. Rome was not built in a day.

siraj1402:
Who still believe boko haram operates without the help of the government?Helicopter to deliver a message? Ok

Please also try to be sensible sometimes. It's the confessions of captured members that were written down and distributed as flyers by the Nigerian military as part of their military campaign strategy. It happens all over the world. The U.S. did same in iraq and afghanistan.

falconey:
if 2years in prison is the penalty for stealing 33billion...........anyman will love to steal

You can now see the reason why the president said that stealing is not corruption. The man was actually charged for corruption which attracts less penalty than stealing/theft. The president says any form of stealing even though it is embezzlement as in this case shiuld be treated as stealing and not corruptipn because at the end of the day judges look at the penal codes when making judgement and someone charged for corruption cant be sentenced as a thief. Mischevious folks who didnt even know the context in which the president was speaking made it sound like he meant that stealing is not a bad thing so they can score political points.

kenonze:
But GEJ allowed PEJ,Dezian, oknonjo and oduah to dictate for him.
OBJ dictation made GeJ smell Vp slot even when we the Niger deltans are against it. Imagine Akpabio , Odili or Donald Duke being chosen instead of Gej.
Niger deltans has wasted their chance

You sound very foolish and unintelligent. Even your picture shows one follow-follow person that can't take a good newspaper and read then make reasonable analysis from it.

itetemi:
the number one personal demand to be exposed should be how jonathan was placed on the yar adua ticket by obasanjo even though his fellow ijaw people objected.

Yes you are right. Just as Babangida and Abdulsalami brought Obasanjo out of prison, arranged pardon for him and made him president with financial support from Orji Uzor Kalu despite opposition from his fellow yoruba people. and these same people did not make personal demands nor dictate to him how to run the country when he became president.

UrennaNkoli:
Where did this one come from ? Identification pls coz I don't know you so stop talking jargons here if u don't know what to say.

Another area girl exhibition. You better go and learn good manners before it is too late. Just look around you; Nkechi, Ego, Onyinye are all married and Ngozi will soon do her traditional but you keep saying that husband is scarce. It's because of your character SISTER.

UrennaNkoli:
Like husband like wife...GEJ will shed much more tears soon.

One of the reasons husband is scarce. No man wants to keep someone that reasons like you in the house.

“When I joined the army in the 1950s I
needed to have a Cambridge Certificate
or West African certificate, GCE, to be
able to join the army, and I don’t know
of anybody who was an officer at that
time that didn’t have similar certificate.
Buhari joined the army about four
years after me and I needed such a
certificate to be admitted into the army,
I don’t know how he could have
avoided such a certificate,” Obasanjo.

So who is lying now? Is it Obasanjo or this man who says that most of them became officers without certificate?
They are both defending Buhari.

Also, Gen Tarfa claims that Buhari ORDERED him to dismiss 48 cadets but he dismissed the very bad ones the number he did not provide. In the military ORDER is sometime you must carry out with no subtraction or addition. I have every reason to believe that this man is lying obviously to hoodwink Buhari's gullible followers as usual.

lagbaja:
So, based on your analysis, Jonathan has build from scratch the equivalence of 20 PH to Lagos Roads ( or 10 of ph to Lagos if it's dual carriage) in the last 5 years, can you do us a favor of listing these roads and their distances. That should proof Fashola wrong like you would like us to believe. Oh! Blind me !, new roads were constructed in the air and TAN will soon distribute 3D glasses to help us see them.

What the government actually says is that over 25000km roads have been constructed or rehabilitated. If you actually travel frequently by road to different parts of the country including the North and the South you can't fault this claim unless you are incurably biased. For example the Osodi/Apapa road is not new but if you ply that road you will see it is far better now than before but unfortunately I have met people who give the credit to Fashola and not the federal government whereas there are so many state government roads that are crying for attention despite the money the state is getting and the same people blame Jonathan for NOT DOING ANYTHING.

mentorandfriend:
You talk like an illiterate. So how is flight distance measured? Another SI unit? We are talking about the distance apart between the two countries, not the time it takes for a car or a Boeing 997 to get there. Distance bro. Use your brain!

Flight distance is more or less straight with no twists and turns. I mean just one straight line bro. You don enter plane before? The numerous roads within Lagos alone may even be longer than than the fight distance to London if calculated as one straight road.

Rad1cal:
see this yeye people, you failed to realize that urban road construction isn't like using a ruler to draw a straight line, it involves numerous twist and turns to connect two location together.

As small as Lagos is, Fashola once boasted he has constructed more roads than Ghana, will you also dispute that fact simply because Ghana is larger than Lagos.

Thanks thats exactly my point. They know most of their followers are gullible people that don't think.

How can any intelligent person compare lenght of roads to flight distance which is by air? Fashola is just being senseless here.

It is fabricated. Any discerning mind can easily see that.

Dahveydson:
When and where did rochas say this? You people sha...

I said it was during Buhari's campaign in Owerri. I just watched the replay now you can go and watch it if possible.

Change2015:
Last word. The law through legislation defines the charges with which a person or institution may be legally prosecuted. But the ordinary meaning of the word corruption is plain to most reasonable people. It is not proper that a President should appear to make light of a plague that is afflicting the nation. Go look up corruption in the dictionary!

#change
#GMB
#APC

The president never made it light. It is people like you that made it seem so. You see people steal N10, 000 and they are given 5 year jail term because the were charged for stealing. Some other person steals N10, 000, 000 and the person is given 6 months jail term with option of fine and you wonder why. It is because the other person was charged for theft which carries greater punishment and the other was charged for corruption possibly because he is a government official. Now the president is saying no that they should be charged for theft and not corruption to attract heavier punishment and you have problem with that? Like I said go get yourself educated and stop talking b.s.

Now see definitions from blacks law dictionary. You can also see the English dictionary.

What is CORRUPTION ?
Illegality; a vicious and fraudulent intention to
evade the prohibitions of the law. The act of an
official or fiduciary person who unlawfully and
wrongfully uses his station or character to
procure some benefit for himself or for another
person, contrary to duty and the rights of
others. U. S. v. Johnson (C. C.) 20 Fed. 082; State
v. Ragsdale. 59 Mo. App. 003; Wight v.
Rindskopf, 43 Wis. 351; Worsham v. Murchison,
00 Ga. 719; U. S. v. Edwards (C. C.) 43 Fed. 07.

What is STEAL ?
This term is commonly used In indictments for
larceny, ("take, steal, and carry away," and
denotes the commission of theft. But, in popular
usage, "stealing" seems to be a wider term than
"larceny," inasmuch as it may include the
unlawful ap- propriation of things which are not
technically the subject of larceny, e. ft.,
immovables. See Randall v. Evening News Ass'n,
101 Mich. 501, 00 N. W. 301; People v. Du- mar,
42 Ilun (N. Y.) 85; Com. v. ICelley, 1S4 Mass.
320, 08 N. E. 340; Holmes v. Gil- man. 04 Hun,
227, 19 N. Y. Supp. 151; Dun- nell v. Fiske, 11
Mete. (Mass.) 554; Barnhart v. State, 154 Ind.
177, 50 N. E. 212.

I have just watched a replay of Buhari's campaign in Imo state where Gov. Rochas Okorocha explained why Buhari looks sickly.

He said that it is because of the love Buhari has for Nigerians that he doesn't eat unless every Nigerian has eaten.

Please could this be true or it is just another APC repackaging or maybe that is the gist Buhari told his APC promoters?

realborn:
There is no need for debate on this subject.

Stealing, pilfering and conversion for personal use of public funds are elements of corrupt practices.

A wise President would have used the last media chat as an opportunity to correct his previous gaffe on the subject by vehemently condemning either act as an anti-social behaviour. The efforts to distinguish both despite his lack of fluent oratory and grammatical wit has done more damage to how the citizenry view his fight against corruption.

They are different bro. Although most people that steal have elements of corruption in them but it's not everyone that is corrupt that is a thief. Someone that impersonates another is corrupt but not a thief if he did not take what doesn't belong to him. But someone that commits forgery, impersonation, nepotism and then takes what doesn't belong to him have committed acts of corruption before stealing.

Change2015:
Please give examples of people charged with 'corruption' in the courts? They may be accused of corruption but the charges usually specify the particular corrupt acts as defined by our many laws, which may include theft, stealing, bribe taking or giving, improper contract awards etc. The president was just being stupid to speak in the manner he did, and his opinions certainly offended the sensibilities of all right-thinking people in and outside the country. You are obviously the hero worshipper here, not me.

#change
#GMB
#APC

See example you asked for. Why did the charge read CORRUPTION AND THEFT if they mean the same thing. Please go get yourself properly educated and stop coming here to talk trash in the name of politics.

Two cops in court for corruption, theft and defeating the ends of justice

2015-02-14 08:3
Cape Town - A police warrant officer made photocopies
of five R100 notes, and recorded their serial numbers,
before placing the notes in a plastic bank bag, to be
used in an undercover police operation to trap an
alleged corrupt police captain, a court in Cape Town
heard on Friday.
Warrant Officer Gert Botes testified at the trial of
Captain Siyaza Patrick Siyale, 51, and colleague Wilfred
Mentoor, 29. Both have pleaded not guilty to charges
of corruption, theft and defeating the ends of justice,
before magistrate Sabrina Sonnenberg.
Prosecutor Denzyl Combrink alleged that they accused
the then president of the French South Africa Chamber
of Commerce and Industries, Nicodemus Solly Moeng,
of involvement in a black dollar scam, and demanded
money in order not to arrest him.
Siyale alone is also charged with extortion or blackmail
involving R1 800.
Botes told the court that Moeng approached a senior
police officer about Siyale's demands, and that an
undercover police operation was authorised to trap
Siyale.
Moeng had arranged to meet Siyale at the McDonalds
restaurant in Observatory, Cape Town, at 14:00, when
he was to hand over the bag containing R500.
Botes said he and a colonel had parked near the
restaurant, but out of sight of the venue where Moeng
was to hand over the money to Siyale.
Botes added: "If Siyale had seen our car, or recognised
any of us, Siyale would have gotten cold feet and
abandoned the transaction, which we were anxious to
avoid."
A group of police officials from the Intervention Unit,
who were more involved in the trap, hid nearby and
were ready to pounce on Siyale once Moeng gave the
signal.
Asked the purpose of the trap, he said: "We had
information that a police captain was involved in
corruption, and needed to obtain evidence to prove it."
The moment Siyale had received the money, Moeng
was to inform the colonel, and Botes and the colonel
would move towards the restaurant.
Botes added: "Siyale had already been arrested, and his
hands cuffed behind his back, when we arrived at the
restaurant.
"As we drove up to him, Siyale recognised the colonel
and exclaimed, 'you have caught me'," Botes said.
The charge sheet tells how a Congolese investor, David
Kilato, duped Moeng into involvement in a lucrative
investment, which turned out to be the black dollar
scam.
Moeng was informed that the money would be
couriered to him in three different lock-up safes.
According to the charge sheet, Moeng received the
safes, but whilst on his way home with them he was
stopped by Siyale and Mentoor.
It turned out that the safes were filled with black paper
cut into the size of bank notes, and Siyale and Mentoor
accused Moeng of involvement in the scam.

Change2015:
Please give examples of people charged with 'corruption' in the courts? They may be accused of corruption but the charges usually specify the particular corrupt acts as defined by our many laws, which may include theft, stealing, bribe taking or giving, improper contract awards etc. The president was just being stupid to speak in the manner he did, and his opinions certainly offended the sensibilities of all right-thinking people in and outside the country. You are obviously the hero worshipper here, not me.

#change
#GMB
#APC

When you have made up your mind to see negative in every word or action of the president's, that is your problem. Your hero Prof Sagey saying that every act of corruption is stealing makes sense to you right? There are many Nigerians that think right and know exactly what the president meant so speak for yourself.

Change2015:
Stealing is just one specific act of corruption. Whether murder or manslaughter, the judicial verdict is that a person bears some responsibility for the death of another. Corruption is a broad term and what the lawyers object to is such line drawing by the president who should in normal climes be a representative of moral good. Prof Sagay is certainly not your intellectual equal when it comes to discussions on law and morality!

#change
#GMB
#APC

You are another hero worshiper. The president never justified corruption or stealing. What the president said is that those who steal should not be charged as corrupt officials but as thieves so they don't get away with lighter punishment so I don't know where your issue of morals comes in.

Mynd44:
The question they ought to have asked the President is "What is corruption?"

The question you should ask these lawyers is, if stealing and corruption are the same, why do they attract different penalties in our laws?

Stealing and corruption are crimes no doubt but they are not the same. It is like adultary and fornication or murder and manslaughter. What Prof Sagey did was just to give two different definitions of stealing and then call one corruption. In law stealing attracts greater penalty than corruption. Stealing is when you take what doesn't belong to you wether as a government official or an individual while corruption is when you try to circumvent the system to the detriment of an organisation such as bribery, nepotism, lying, forgery etc so contrary to what Prof Sagey is saying, it is not every act of corruption that is stealing. Some acts that seem like corruption such as embezzlement of public funds are pure stealing and should be treated as such and that is what the president is saying because if you treat them as corruption they attract lesser penalty in law.

Do not let these partisan lawyers deceive you. In theory and in law, stealing and corruption are different but saying that doesnt mean justifying any of them as good or acceptable.

N135m is chicken change from the over N25b (twenty five billion naira) Buhari used her brother Ahmad Salahijo to bolt away from the PTF according to the report submitted to Obasanjo when he was president.

Obasanjo can only be certain of what he presented and not what others did. Did he not see the letter from Buhari's principal that says that HE WILL PASS HIS WASC? Has Buhari denied this letter?

What we are interested in is what he filled and presented to INEC and Nigerian people as his qualification to contest the election and not some military trainings which he might even have attended on quota basis.

ISpiksDaTroof:
Thats what "Governmental/Official" corruption means.

If you as a private citizen steal money from your company, you have not committed corruption. At the very least you committed theft, and at the very worst, embezzlement.

If you were Mayor of your city, or even a lowly county(Local Govt) clerk, and you accepted a bribe before carrying out your official duty you have participated in an act that could be classified as "Corruption".

The Professor is right, GEJ is wrong. And you are wrong.

The problem here is you guys don't even know the meaning of the word.

I dont get this ur explanation. Corruption is corruption and stealing is stealing there is nothing like governmental or non governmental corruption or stealing. Adultary and fornication are different even though they are both sins. Corruption and stealing are different legally and in theory though both are criminal acts. Check the nearest dictionary so u stop mixing things up.

So is it only those in power that are dishonest and fraudulent ? I thought this man is a professor of law? mtchewww

kasheemawo:
Mr Jonathan said it that stealing is not corruption and bastard okupe and rubber abati defended the statement.

Check your dictionary and stop advertising your ignorance. Is adultary same as funication?