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Coldshisha:
You can doubt all you want , just pray nobody you know suffers Medical condition outside the scope of knowledge of a medical doctor

The woman in question even has a daughter working at UCH Ibadan as nurse

And you believe TB Joshua had the powers to treat any medical condition beyond what an Orthodox medical practioner can handle?

My friend, you have not been told the true story about what actually happened to the lady you claimed was healed.

I know of friends and family members who have been there . When they return, the story they tell outsiders is not completely true. Some of them, lost their lives after a time because they stopped taking their medications believing they have received a permanent cure. For those lucky to still be alive, the medication condition which made them go to TB Joshua in the first place, returned with full force and they are now forced to take their medication seriously.

The whole world witnessed what happened to the late Ghanaian president , Atta Mills , who ignored sound medical advice to visit the synagogue for healing.. He is late now ; A high profile victim of TB Joshua fake healing practice.



The gullible public failed to learn anything from that particular incident(not the only one) and still continue to visit the synagogue for non existent healing. Even in death, some persons are still begging to be allowed to touch his corpse with the believe they can still receive a miracle. Haha! They should allow the man to rest.

See my friend , dont defend anything or anyone when you have little information.

I know much more than you do about TB Joshua and what actually goes on in his synagogue..TB Joshua never had any powers to heal anyone during his life time.

Of course ,he knew he had no such powers hence when he was ill he had to secretly ferry himself somewhere else for treatment.

It is unfortunate that people are still defending him now that the truth has come out or is coming out . From what I know , I believe more would be revealed in the coming days

If you know of anyone who has a medical condition which has defied orthodox treatment or cure, my advice is to seek help from a competent alternative medicine practitioner . You can choose to pray while receiving such treatment.Sometime ago, I found myself in such a situation where I had no option but to seek alternative treatment and I got perfect cure.

Pastors or prophet can't do much for anyone when it comes to treating you. If by chance you receive any healing at all ,it is due to the power of your personal believe and not the one claiming to heal you. Most people do not have what it takes to muster the amout of believe required for faith healing to occur.

People should use their common sense and make use of what can actually cure them or manage their medical condtion instead of relying on illusory cure that would led to more pain and disappointment as we have come to see with TB Joshua and his likes masquerading as faith healers.

Coldshisha:
My friends mother was actually referred to Synagogue by medical doctor after wasting so much money on hospital bills

Anti Christ or not, water and anointing oil or not as long as people get value for their time and money and he is charitable to the society then he is an hero not a vilian

I doubt if a medical doctor would ever refer anyone to TB Joshua for treatment.

Is TB Joshua a medical consultant?

MISSCONGENIALITY:
Stupid talk from.a silly lady.
Rest in peace sir. I've never been to his church, be we used any of his oils or water, but I liked him. His talk, his philanthropic gestures not minding the race or religion.
Some people may say he was doing business, but he used the money to help people.

So, if an individual is making money from inflicting misery on others, he should be allowed to continue as long as he is using the money to help others?

iSpirit1:
I mean, "God created evil" should be understood in the context that "God created Lucifer" not "God is evil". God is not evil. He is good, and created good things. But, the good that God created transformed itself to Evil because God gave it Freewill.

And yeah, Lucifer and Satan are not the same. Because it was Lucifer God created, and not Satan. Had Lucifer remained the way God created him, Satan wouldn't evil. But, Satan came to being because Lucifer chose evil.

How then can one explain an evil spirit from GOd tormenting saul?

Here below;

1 Samuel 16:14-23

14 Now the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him. 15And Saul’s servants said to him, ‘See now, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you.

The fear of covid-19 is the beginning of stupidity

1Sharon:
Hallucinations are either caused by drugs, medications or mental illness.

Anyone who claims to see demons, ogbanjes, witches, Jesus is hallucinating and is mentally ill

When an individual is not on drugs, medications and has been certified mentally OK by a psychiatric doctor and yet still continue to see "things" , what then is the cause?
I have met people like that and still do. In fact have a friend who is a very brilliant lawyer and he sees things . But he doesn't refer to what he sees as demons..
Modified. Forgot to add that what my friend sees usually correspond to reality

Kobojunkie:
He has a "reduced" IQ? Was there ever a time when Biden never pleaded Christianity - I mean had a higher IQ?

You should be able to identify sarcasm wherever you find it

Workch:
Wow, that makes him the smartest person in the world

Be yourself. Not good pretending what you're not

Workch:
I couldn’t become a Christian because my IQ wasn’t low enough.

Imagine believing that a god that knows all regretted creating humans hence killed them in a flood. That god definitely doesn’t know the future, he’s got to be a bad planner for the obvious failed project.

I need to reduce my IQ by a lot in order to assimilate this story.

The president of the most powerful nation in the world, Joe Bien, is a Christian and I agree with you that he has a " reduced" IQ

Sheggy13:
There is nothing nonsensical about this write up. Stop picking up issues where there are none. This piece by Aketi is meant to be a rebuttal to Garba Shehu and his Fulani co-conspirators who are supposedly learned and should easily grasp whatever imagined complexity you perceive in this piece. It's not addressed to market women or motor park touts. By the way, what's complex about words like mendacious, extraneous, pervasive, parochialism, delineated, for God's sake? These are words that ordinarily would be required by SS3 students to find synonyms to in their WASSCE exams.

Read below and understand how the rest of the world view such press releases .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38827888.amp

Tobechuckwu:
I said so many testimonies of such has happened in Winners chapel.
I'm not promoting my church mind u, I'm profiling a solution to her.
I don't need to exchange words with u bcuz u are not d person in need of help.
If she goes to Winners chapel nd receive healing for his brothers, is it not her family that will enjoy it.
With everything they have administered to him in d hospital has he gotten any better?
I'm telling her what I think she should do... So Don't ever come to my quote section anymore.

Mad people don't get cured in winners chapel

Your church would worsen the problem..

Tobechuckwu:
Why I said u should go to Winners chapel or Canaan land, ota is bcuz there are so many testimonies of such. U can kindly reach out to any Pastor of Winners chapel nd get a mantle from the man of God, Bishop Oyedepo, Ur situation is just a small case in d hand of God.

If it is true that so mny mad people are being cured in winners chapel, everyone would know about it..

You don't need to lie to promote your church. Your church is not a psychiatric hospital and it is irresponsible to suggest that any mad person be taking there for healing.

sarjam05:
We need more intelligent and rational responders like you not some nit witted idiots making mockery of people’s dilemma. If you cannot proffer solutions keep shut rather than degrade yourself to bland sarcasms.
Thanks for your reply. Do you have anyone who can help me with this? My confusion has been if this power is positive or negative. I feel it deep within me and I know it’s lurking somewhere inside me. I cannot just call it to work but when I’m in an emergency situation it starts acting on its own. If only the fool that betrayed me on Nairaland knew what I could do if I cursed him he wouldn’t dare me but fools are fools so I’d take it he doesn’t know what he’s playing with.
Spiritual power is real. I used to hear and watch it in movies till I delved into it and yes it is very very very real. I have other experiences but let me stop here for now.
Kudos to you for giving this intelligent and affectionate response.
As concerns the energy I don’t think I want it out. I just hope it isn’t a sin.
However can I ask? Despite burning the soap and flouting the warning not to look back at the river do you think it’s still effective? I believe the reason I still feel the energy sometimes is cause it was put in my blood. This begs the question. Is the Ashe the one incised into my blood or do I need the other paraphernalia for it to be effective? I hope you understand my question. Did burning the soap do anything?

I am really flattered by the compliments. Thank you very much..I have found myself in your kind of situation in the past where I was desperately seeking for answers everywhere and I know firsthand from that experience what a careless talk or advise coming from anyone could do to messing up ones mind. So I try to be careful for what I say.

Whatever I have replied previously to you is drawn from what I have learnt from those who engage in such practices and also from having done something similar
in the past where I was also instructed not to look back as I leave the place . But I have long ago abandoned such practices. My path is different now.

Concerning the things you asked what I know is this. If you make a mistake or failed to adhere to instructions. while performing a ritual, then the job is not properly done and in some cases you might even hex yourself. .The effect from that can be mild or very severe .But the mistake can be corrected.

In your case, you would have had rest of mind a long time ago if fear had not made you to involve your parents and had gone back to the woman. immediately. I am sure if she is good in what she does, she would know there was "interference" and that you made some mistake while performing the ritual . A competent practitioner would already know something has gone wrong before you even report back. They can "see it" . If she can't know that. something went wrong, then she is not good enough not that she can't do the job of activating the Ashe

So I advise that since you want to retain what she did, then go back to her to complete or correct anything that may have gone wrong. No one that I know of would want take on the responsibility of a spiritual work started by another and it is not advisable going from one spiritualist to another seeking for solutions .You can open inner doors which can expose you to things you may not be able to handle.

The reason you gave for not going back to her is not enough.. Seek her out as if your life deoends on it and once you meet with her or those she work with, in case you can't find her, ask all the questions and you be would guided. You need guidance to handled what has been activated inside you of.. The power is neither positive or negative. But can become, as I already mentioned, a two edged sword when abused

Now this is very important. ,I advise you don't continue with this matter on nairaland. It doesn't matter if it is faceless forum. There are certain things you should keep to yourself. What you're exposing to the public is what you should be discussing privately with a competent practitioner and not just anyone .
Remove from fear from your mind. There's nothing to afraid of But do the right thing at the right time .

@op

From what I know about Ashe, those who really know what it is and can do the work would not just do it for anyone ..Certan consultations are carried out first to determine if it should be done for you or not because Ashe can become a two edged sword if you lack the discipline to handle the power (energy)which comes from it.

But then, there are lots of rogue practitioners who would do anything for you just for the money and "wash off" themselves from it so that you alone bear the consequences of what happens after..

Contrarily to what your Christian background tells you, Ashe only introduce its own unique energy into your space and not a demon. So your fears are unfounded..

If you're not comfortable with the energy raging inside of you and you want it removed, it can be done. What you need to do is to consult with knowledgeable and experienced practitioner to have it removed from your space. and you're free.

sarjam05:
A new blade I bought myself. Something was rubbed in the mixture then I went to a river to bathe. I was instructed not to look back and I must confess I kinda did cause I was really really scared. Was that the reason for the bad reaction?

OK then. I will take my time to reply you later .Busy now. But before then, I would also like to know if you still feel the pain in that part of your body you complained of

sarjam05:
A new blade I bought myself. Something was rubbed in the mixture then I went to a river to bathe. I was instructed not to look back and I must confess I kinda did cause I was really really scared. Was that the reason for the bad reaction?

OK then. I will take my time to reply you later .Busy now.

sarjam05:
I did Ashe many years ago but I’m yet to really understand what I did and the repercussions. After the incision was placed under my lips I had a terrible time going to sleep that night as there was heavy weight and pains on the right side of my face. It was a real spiritual experience. I experienced it live. It was like a spirit was fighting my spirit. The pain was especially in my right cheekbone. It was also like a weight was placed on the spot. The spiritualist also gave me a soap which I had used before bed time. I had to involve my parents who had to pray in Jesus name and the next day the soap was burnt but I know and still feel the power deep down inside me. Someone who understands my plight should please comment.

What object was used for the incision?

Franzinni:
I see you trying to take the easy way out by speculating but you are so far gone to understand that I am not faulting the girl in anyway I am just saying ... There is a high rate of rape accusations going around and we need to slow down Abit and stop judging every case looking through the same lens.... Once someone shout rape ...there are a thousand and one people like you who just fly off the rails without thinking critically or looking at the facts and details .. what if after all is said and done the prophet turns out clean and this was just an attack and by that time they have killed the man ... I only asked people to think critically. View the facts and then draw your own conclusions not just hear rape and you pick the pitch fork!!!

Now talking about myself ... I frankly don't get what men get from forcing themselves on a woman like what is that thing that will make me want to do a thing like that ...women are everywhere if you don't have game... Save up your money and pay as you go.

I never jumped into any conclusion. The only reason I responded to your intial post was because you were already prejudging the victim without getting full details of what happened. It is possible she might by lying but how do you know she is not telling the truth for you to now suggest it was consentual sex


I never judge anything but you did. Pllease stop trying to shift the goalpost and own up to all the unreasonable comments you have made.. Nairaland is a faceless forum. So you can hide and say things you would not dare say if you can be easily identified . The courts should decide . Don't be quick to assume anything.

Talking about yourself, how do you expect me to just believe that you don't enjoy that kind of thing when there's nothing about you I know offline No reason for that because I have not accused of being a rapist .

Franzinni:
bro I don't care about the prophet matter of fact if I would suggest, I would say he should be castrated on the spot and then left to bleed to death ... My perspective tho

But I will still say a 17 years old who was raped by a 50 year old and she didn't report it till she started falling down and passing out begins to sound like it was not really about the rape but about the fear of what spiritual attack is at play. As the case may be there is NO case on ground if you know the slightest about law ... A rape has to be proven no body will see prison on verbal accusation alone without medical checkup and evidence of rape... See if she has reported it immediately the bruising of forced entry will be fresh and it will be an open closed case but ... She didn't so how do YOU know she was raped ?

If you knew the case could get to the court, why prejudging the victim with the little information you have?

Yes ,we know some ladies can lie about been raped but it doesn't mean that if a lady was raped and she did not report immediately or let anyone know at that time, then she is lying if she later gets to report.. There could be reason or reasons why she could not have reported at that point in time. Shame,fear of stigmatization, lack of courage and threat to life among others could be some of these reasons.

You don't know the actual circumstances concerning this case and what actually may have prevented her from letting anyone know immediately. But here you are trying to blame the 17 year old

You said it was because of the so called spiritual effect she decided to report. If that's what you think,then how to you expect her to tell her parents what she believed has caused it without mentioning the rape or according to you "the sex' they had.

I hope you don't belong to those perverts who take delight in believing that rape victims who don't report or called for help immediately may have actually enjoyed it and if they ,the victims, later summon courage to report, then they are lying. A few of your expressions and choice of words in your intial comment have made me to think so of you

How can you tell if the suspect would not later admit to the crime in court or if they would not find other evidences apart from the ones you mentioned to convict him?
Honestly you don't know what you're saying and there's no point continue this conversation

Franzinni:
you talk like a sheep that has been fed fat with bullcrap.. 17 years old you say is that not the more reason she should inform the authority immediately? So you want to tell me a 17 year old is so dumb because they are minors they cant tell right from wrong and magically once they turn 18 they become wise? Is that how you grew up ? Comon think about it ... Also how come you deduced that I am also guilty and of what exactly sherlock?

You claim to be a critical thinker while accusing others of not possessing the ability to think critically but have failed to see that an innocent and inexperienced teenager has been taken advantage of.

Why do you assume that she should know what to do immediately after? What do you know about the victim and her level of intelligence?

Know what it means to actually think critically before boasting about what you can't demonstrate.

A 17 year old who was raped by a 50 year old should not be blamed or made to feel quilty for it whether she reported the incident to the police immediately or not. Imagine if she was your daughter
My accusation, if you still don't get it by now is that you lack the capacity to think critically.Don't hide under critical think to spew nonsense because all the silly defence you have tried to put up for the rapist can't stand in court

Franzinni:
The day he or should I say "they" had sex, she didn't go to the police immediately, that same day after a bang job, she still allowed him rub ritualistic candle ALL OVER her body, after that she went back home abi... Now the only reason why she is yelling bloody murder is becasue she started having spiritual attack ... See I know alot of people lack the ability to think critically, they just jump on the bandwagon as the sheep mentality is prevalent in the country.

For those that don't understand my rambling, can someone tell me why the case didn't become a case the very night she got her tail feathers ruffled by the fake prophet?

There is a systematic global media attempt to rapidly reprogram the masculinity of the world by any means necessary. Guys my only advice is keep your dingdongs in the holster at all times. Trust me nowadays, any knack can be upgraded to a rape, depending on how she feels about you... Be wise.

You're equally guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of.

The victim is just 17, a minor, and yet you expected her to know how to react immediately in such a situation?

Critical thinking my foot

shadeyinka:
Name calling!?
How? And Where?

All the argument here is simply because the rest of you wish I could just encourage and justify why a True Christian should marry an atheist. And I insist, "ko le werk!!" It can't work, and it's not possible for me to encourage an improper relationship!

Lol. You just proved budatum right

shadeyinka:
Perhaps you did not read clearly for the first part answered that (highlighted)




Did you see the yellow highlight?

Then why the name calling if your intention was to respond only to the op. It's what I continue to ask you and you are unable to answer

shadeyinka:
You should have checked my direct response to the question of the OP before your accusation. Let me repeat it here:



Have I replied the OP or not?

The op is about what has happened already and not what is yet to happen. You're wholely focused on the later to downplay the former.

Why can't you focus on the main thing? Can't you see that you're crying over a milk that is spilt already?

Modify. Where is the evil in the Union in you're condemning?
do you have anything to prove that any of them don't love each other?
What gives you the certainty that the child would turn out not to know God?
and how are you sure the unbeliever spouse don't get converted tomorrow?
has the Bible condemned couples who find themselves in such a situation?

shadeyinka:
The summary of my position based on good Christian judgement and Scripture is


From above,
1. Would you encourage a JW to marry a non-believing spouse.
2. Suppose she's already married to one, will your church demand her to divorce the husband?
3. By JW doctrine, if you allow her to remain with the unbelieving spouse, is is biblical for her NOT to obey her husband?
4. On who's responsibility fall the spiritual upbringing of their children?


SECONDLY:
My argument was that (assuming a true Christian decided against good judgement to marry an Atheist) and feel that he/she is too grounded in faith to fall, can he vouch for his/children's faith?



Have I said anything outside the Scriptures?

The accusation against me is that If I love like Christ, I will allow and encourage TRUE Christians to marry Atheists.

The op from what anyone can easily see requires a simple response and not much talk.

You know the appropriate answer to give but are unwilling to do so for reasons that are obvious

Most of the things you have given as response is only meant to downplay the significance of the message the op is trying to pass across using his marriage as an example.

You can't continue to pretend and now. trying to rally the "mob" to your side using a false accusation. This is very shameful.

shadeyinka:
Where is it written that a man or woman should not put his/her hands in fire?

Let me ask you some questions and I hope you can speak the truth
1. If the Christian wife dies, who should take over the custody of the young children?
2. Can the Atheist husband bring up the children to know God?
3. Is this not a big risk concerning something as great as her children ending up in the lake of fire?

Has she not put the eternity of her children in danger?

I have asked you this question before and would ask again
Is not possible for the unbelieving spouse to convert to Christianity?

Why is it difficult for you to see this possibility?

budaatum:
I understand. Not everyone is sufficiently equipped to love their father-in-laws not to talk of their neighbours or their enemies.

Oh .Sade father in-law is an atheist?
No wonder has been trying to bring in things that are not related to this thread.

Is it possible for an atheist to have a happy marriage with a believer? That's the main question

He has been dancing around and refused to give a simple yes or no for a reason that is now obvious

@shade
The question that has arisen from the op only requires a simple yes or no
Show me exactly where you answered that happiness can or can't result from such marriages without the other things you try to bring in.

If you think happiness can come out of it, then why the unnecessary name calling to humiliate and belittle the wife who is already committed to the marriage?

shadeyinka:
I think I have answered the OP clearly in this thread before people like you insisted that I ignore the the Christians view of marriage also being a Spiritual union.

Here was my direct answer to the OPs question




Because premium tears has been a result of such kinds of union wham a true Christian marries a person who isn't.

BTW,
The rule doesn't apply to Atheists alone. It applies even to church goers.

Any true Christian MUST not marry any one who isn't a true Christian. Whether the person claims to be one or not, whether he is even a pastor or not.

We advocate that a true Christian will marry based on these two spiritual conditions

1. The spouse to be is born again
2. The spouse to be loves God.



Love being a CHOICE means it doesn't just fall on you. You CHOOSE who to give your love.
Doesn't a true Christian have the right to choose NOT to be romantically involved with an atheist or any non committed Christian?

Or why do you think sane people just don't fall in love with mad people on the street. Why do you think that only in Nollywood do you see billionaires going to the village to look for a poor well brought up girl as wife.

Love for an atheist is not accepting his atheism but telling him the truth about God and salvation. And Jesus made it clear to us not to FORCE our message on anyone. If they would listen and accept the gospel LEAVE them alone (dust your shoes against them).

But you want the opposite. After a Christian preaches to the one who wouldn't listen to the gospel, he should form a permanent bond with such.
It's you who don't know what love is.

No point replying you anymore since you continue to deflect from the main thing. We can continue when you're ready to discuss that

Can there be happiness between such union? Yes or no

Keep the rest for your congregation

TimeIllusion:
How can they be happy together when they are on the road to hell?

Is it truly happiness if Satan is involved?

The happiness is an illusion because the woman has hardened her heart to Christ by marrying the atheist.

If you're a Christian who reads and understand your Bible very well , you should already know what it says concerning such matters.

Its your personal opinion if you think happiness can never come from such marriages. Talk from what you know and have experienced. Not from what you think

TimeIllusion:
Shadeyinka is not only right, he’s also the true Christian. The only true Christian I see on this thread.

From the Christian perspective, eternal damnation has to be avoided no matter what it costs otherwise there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in the lake of fire. Avoiding godless heathens, atheists, pagans, and other undesirables is to be expected and promoted so that one’s soul is not damned for eternity.

A Christian woman who has chosen to procreate with an atheist has committed a grave sin that has jeopardized her children’s souls. If we take christianity to it’s logical conclusion, Shadeyinka is right. One must do everything to avoid hell like Jesus said. Cut off your tongue, pluck out your eye, set loose the atheist etc

The maxim “love your neighbor as yourself” also means do all you can to ensure that your neighbor avoids hell. So, admonishing the Christian woman for marrying a godless heathen is a show of love. Good ol’ fashioned Christian love.

You and shade have not directly answered the op. The issue is not whether believers should be encouraged to marry non believers but if those who are already married can be happy together

shadeyinka:
Love is a CHOICE a person makes to selflessly build and beautify the life of the other person. Love is NOT an emotion even though love feels Emotion whenever it succeeds.

The most important thing to a Christian is to bear Fruit for God through Christ while he/she await his transport to the eternal kingdom of God.

Why would it make sense to risk it by marrying an unbeliever?

An atheist doesn't value God!
An atheist doesn't know God!
An atheist doesn't care about God!

I rather you focused on the op. Its the reason I engaged you.
You're deflecting because you're unable to directly answer to anything I have said concerning it.
You continue to resist and deny the reality of something that has already happened despite the fact that your quoted bible verses said you shouldn't but must accept.

If love is a choice that we make to build and beautify the life of the next person, why standing as an obstacle to those who want to make this choice. Or is it that non believers don't deserve their lives been beautified.

Do you even think you're in a position to determine one's choice of love?

You talk so much of love without being able to demonstrate it
Love is sacrifice. The reason your savior paid the ultimate price even when you don't deserve it. Unfortunately you have not earnt from this

Please open another thread of your own if you want to discuss whether a Christian should marry a non believer. What we are discussing here has happened already