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Hismasterpiece:
Isn't existence evidence enough?

When you see the stars, the moon, the sky, creation in general doesn't common sense tell you that it is somebody that put all those things there?

Have you ever seen anything that wasn't created? Buildings don't build themselves. Cars don't make themselves. Using that same logic this world didn't make itself. And thus the evidence for a creator.

Sorry, there's an error in your thinking.

You have blurred the lines between what it means to create and to build.

The two words don't have exactly the same meaning.


You cannot say because humans can build a house or any other thing, then it should be common sense to accept without any evidence that the stars, moon, sky and other object in nature was created by somebody.. It doesn't follow at all. Creating and manufacturing are not exactly the same process

We can see humans manufacturing things using materials from nature and so we know they manufacture them . But non, not even for once, has seen or witnessed any "somebody" creating the world that we all live in.

You are assuming based on what your religion tells you and nothing else.

If you were not told that the world was created, you wouldn't even think or bother yourself if the world was created or not. You wouldn't even know

LordReed:
I agree. Becoming an atheist doesn't provide you any special advantages, if anything you become acutely aware of all the limitations of yourself and the universe around you.

Exactly

LordReed:
You are correct in most of your assessments but you make it sound like taking medication for mental issues is a bad thing. I'd much prefer to take medication than live in a delusion that there are unseen enemies all around me. People do all manner of dangerous and tragic things under such a delusion. Won't they be better off receiving treatment instead of plunging their loved ones into chaos?

It may appear so but I didn't set out to downplay the importance of using medications or any form of approved therapy to manage depression. It would be irresponsible for me to discourage anyone from accessing Medicare. Also,prayer alone as solution, is not what I should be found promoting.

I only wanted him to understand that the perfect picture he seems to be painting about atheism should be discarded. That atheism also comes with its own problems too. Atheist , unlike the theist , are not shy from admitting this.

He should tell it the way it is. Atheist admit that they are humans like everyone else and being an atheist doesn't give you any advantage or provide some special treat once you become you. But of course, one knows better than those who do believe and are afraid to question it all.

After " accusing" others severally on this board of using deception to lure people into joining their group, he has still gone ahead to do the same thing. And I wonder why? Hence my response.

And it wasn't a matter of me insisting that the theist position is better or superior in any way, but that both positions have their own limitations something he was unwilling to admit

Workch:
Why are you agitated?

Stop this psychological gimmick. I not that kind of person.

Good day

Workch:
The thread wasn’t mean to disprove anything.

Are you following at all?

Calm down and don’t be in a haste to reply

I responded to your post my friend. Cut the crap of hasty reply and take responsibility of what you ignited

Modified. Let the conversation follow in line of the advantages you listed. That's my only interest. Nothing else

A001:
Your position looks agnostic.

I try not to hold on to any position. My position is no position.

I try to view live from all angles so as to have a complete understanding of it.. Not easy to understand life completely.

My guiding philosophy is based on China Achebe's saying in Things Fall Apart where he said, ( not sure of the exact quote now)

That the world is like a dancing masquerade dancing . If you want to enjoy ( understand) the show , you don't stand in one position.

Workch:
I didn’t present atheism as a panacea for all life problems, you misconstrued my stance.
There’s never a time when atheism is going the only solution to the global problems. I only mentioned advantages of being an atheist over theism.

I think you shouldn’t have replied my post in a haste.

You didn't present it has a solution to all of live problems. But when your audience are people who are looking in that direction, what do you expect?

In any case, I rather you addressed the things I said against your seeming advantage you claim you have over the theist. I said they don't exist.

Atheist experience even far more worries which I mentioned.

They are not mentally free as you think.

They are not free from biases and can also suffer from cognitive dissonance.

You have not disproven any of those and so where is the advantage?

Workch:
its okay if you redefine stuffs to justify your improbable opinions.

Atheism is fueled by lack of evidence that a god exist. Provide a testable evidence and I will change my mind.

Dogmatism is the act of holding onto unsubstantiated beliefs even in the light of evidence against it. That’s what you do and every other religious person.


If it doesn’t have evidence and cannot be proven, I can never believe it. I will change my mind if I see testable evidence sir.

You're mistaken .I don't subscribe to any religion or is certain about the existence of any God or gods

My previous reply was not to argue the existence of any God. Please provide any evidence if you think I did.

I am not interested in such arguments. I only wanted to let you see that you're presenting atheism has a panacea for all of live problems so that people can get involved or subscribe to it.

The same strategy employed by certain religious groups to get converts is the same you're using and I think it is deception when you lie to people so they join your group.

Atheist are regarded as honest people who try to tell it as it is .

Workch:
Becoming an atheist frees your from mental slavery.
I am mentally free from stuffs like
1. Village people.
2. Hell or heaven.
3. Threat of curse
4. Scams from pastors.

I also see clearer from a practical point of view without bias. I am free from cognitive dissonance. I laugh when people talk about spiritual things as there are no evidence to measure their existence.

Atheism makes you a mentally free person, not a lot of people have the courage to become atheist.

There are other huge benefits

You're sounding like a religious person or still think like one.

You cannot claim to be mentally free when you're dogmatically invested in a particular ideology .

The atheistic position is an ideology of its own and it has its limitations.. It is not a perfect position.

Atheist have their own worries too. We know they are prone to depression. That is not to say the religious are not . Everyone is. But for the Atheist, when it happens, it usually end in suicide or a life of continual dependence on antidepressants to maintain sanity. The figures are out there if you want to confirm.

It is not common for the deeply religious to have this problem. They rely on an external agency (imaginary or not) which has been demonstrated to provide psychological relief more better than any antidepressants .

Believing in a god in times of trouble can
provide psychological relief and help to remove from one's mind the weight of the burden worries place on it.

Please don't misled people by making promises which are not tenable so they can join your "religion" .It is why I already said you still think like a religious person. Understand first , what you're into before asking others to join you.

Concerning scamming by pastors, everyone can be scammed. Religious people are not the only ones that can be scammed. We can easily see others being scammed and mock them and not when we ourselves are being scammed.

A scammer takes advantage of your ignorance to scam you and you, yourself ,are ignorant of so many things .So you're still susceptible.



And again,non of us can act or think completely free of bias. As long as you hold on to a particular viewpoint, you cannot help it. Your biases would reveal itself, at some point, without you realising it. So don't boast.

Finally, atheism is not synonymous with courage. There are courageous religious people who "courageously" defend their faith.

Most people
becoming atheist these days, are yet to fully understand the atheistic position and what it entails. The allure of personal freedom is what is pushing most into it. Which is a good thing.

But freedom comes with certain responsibility. Are you ready?

HedwigesMaduro:
Didn't any of the coronation event involve sacrifices to idols and ancestors?

Alot and he would continue with that. His title he has taken while ascending the throne, means the king of the water gods and goddessses.
The interesting thing is that he chose the title himself and he knows the implication.

Whenever there is a festival involving those deities he must surely be involved in the major rituals.

Read the link I shared in one of my previous comments to see what happened to an itsekiri king who wanted to drop the title due to the above and see how he could not despite his claim to be a Christian.

It is no going back

Kobojunkie:
I was just wondering about all that myself..

Just ignore those people. Let them continue to argue what they don't know because the king sang worship song

Myer:
The king will fulfill his coronation rites but as a Christian he is not bound nor condemned by them.

How do you think God will establish kings on the earth? By Christians avoiding coronation rites?
Do you even know what it means to be a Christian?

1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.

Meaning you cant condemn a king for fulfilling coronation rites as long as he know who he is in Christ.
Even several people condemned Jesus for even mixing with sinners and prostitutes. So be careful when God is working you might be working against him.

I don't expect you to see the situation for what it is.

Let me remind you ,in case you don't know, that the new king title, is atuwatse 111, which means ,the king of all water gods and goddesses. He choose the title himself and agreed to it when asked by the king maker if he agreed to it. So what are you yarning?

My friend rest. The matter is not what should bother or concern you

Modified. What he chose is the real thing as far as tradition is concerned. Yours is fiction

Myer:
Are you a Christian?
Do you share the burden of the body of Christ?
Then pray for him.

No one ever really knows how God works.
And more often times we misjudge when we only judge by sight.

Unless the Holyspirit revealed to you that he's a scam, then you can be certain. Otherwise, pray for him and trust God to be in control.

Keep your preaching and know the truth. Read below what the King has agreed to.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/10/born-again-king-olu-of-warri-bows-to-his-people/?amp=1

mrksquare:
It reminds me of this story
https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/10/born-again-king-olu-of-warri-bows-to-his-people/?amp=1

Thank you very much for the shared link. I hope those here, read and understand better.

Myer:
Are you not still happy he identifies with Christ or atleast with a church?

This is the more reason you should pray for him.
If truly the Christian God is greater than the other gods, then he will be able to cleanse them of idolatry. But if not then it will be business as usual.

You're being fooled. That's all

Nigerian police at it again

Freezby2020:
No matter how you analysis and the conclusion you draw, that he acknowledged Jesus Christ as one that deserves all the Glory and Praise speaks more than a million message. You are not God, neither can you ever be, the new King gives honor to whom is due; God, and he did it publicly. That is more than enough proof that he loves God and Jesus Christ with all of his heart.

My prayers for the new King, is that the Lord Jesus will give him wisdom to govern his subjects well, that peace will reign in his kingdom and most of all God will give him long life and good health.

Your opinion is irrelevant and you have limited information.


If every itsekiri were to be a Christian, then no one should cry over the king singing worship songs.

Right now, the king is the "spiritual head" of the itsekiris . which means ,he is automatically the leader of every diety they worship.. He represent them. Even the so called witches and wizards. He is their father too.

Can a man worship two masters at the same time and serve them equally well.

It would excite any Christian that a traditional African king is singing praise worship to Jesus. But it is all make believe. And I tell you. He knows it.

If he wants to eradicate any so called fetish practices, the best place to begin the fight is in a church and not sitting on an ancestral stool.

His father who was a king before tried to but failed. The itsekiris are one of the most tradition keeping( don't want to use word, fetish practices) tribe in the whole of Niger delta.

You should ask around to confirm this.

Just enjoy the show he is putting up and mind your business.

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Eradicate which fetish practices?

Don't be fooled by the singing of worship songs.

Sitting on that throne symbolizes something.

Do you know what it is?

And do you know that he had to perform a lot of what you term fetish practices before he could be crowned?

Afromentalist:
very busy between business and work. I log in everyday but do not have that much time to comment. The summer here has been cold as heck, which did not help at all. How is your own side.

OK,

I have been wondering why you stopped teaching us.. Now I understand

jJust stay warm. The cold won't last long and I hope you find the time to continue what you started here Thanks

Afromentalist:
very correct. Salute my brother.

Thanks. Long time.Where have you been?

soulsearcher112:
Thanks for your advise. However, have it in mind because your story turned out that way doesn’t mean it’s the same situation as mine. Do you know what it means to accumulate much wealth at a young age and loose everything within a short time frame? There are so many questions that defy logical explanation. I have so many examples but I had to shorten the story so people can read with ease. Look at the story of Joseph in the Bible who was sold by his brothers. Imagine he had gone back immediately he was sold into slavery, they might have probably killed him this time around. Different strokes for different folks chief. Thanks though, much appreciated.

Since you're a Christian, I would use the Bible that you believe in to explain further so you understand better.

Your Bible tells you , what you sow is what you reap. That is a fact of the world we live in. It is a world of sowing and reaping without which nothing happens.

If you go to school and study very well , (sowing) you end up educated (reaping)

If you eat a balanced diet ( sowing) you become healthy( reaping)

If you lie too much ( sowing) after a time people around you no longer trust you or what you say and may avoid you( reaping)

If you dress anyhow (sowing) people treat you with disrespect ( reaping)

So whatever you do there's a " reward" attached to it. Your thinking is not an exception.

If you think the right thoughts you reap positivity ,the wrong thoughts negativity.

I would give you an instance in the Bible which a lot of Christians read but never truly understand.

The woman who had issues with blood ,said to herself, if I could touch the helm of his garment, I would be made whole"

And when she did touch the garment, she was made whole.

Who heal her ? J Jesus?
No

Jesus was not happy that someone touch his garment and meaning he didn't even know what was happening until the woman confessed she did.

And Jesus told her , "your faith (not himself) as made you whole"

That story is powerful illustration of the power of thoughts or believe. It is the woman's believe that worked for her.

So it is the same when you believe strongly in the power of witches and wizards ,it becomes your reality and you reap it.

Most Christians or religious people believe more in the power of witches to harm them than in the power of Jesus or god to save them. Hence they are afraid of ravelling to their villages and even you that's running away from your mother and siblings



The power of witchcraft lies in believe. Only a few witchcraft practitioner knows this and
would be willing to admit it. The not too knowledgeable ones amongs them are not aware and cannot explain why their craft fails most of the time.


What you're going through is not because you or your circumstances is different but because of what you believe. And most times such belief is imbedded in your subconscious without you being aware it is there wrecking havoc.

You unconsciously pick up these beliefs by associating with those who believe in such things or when you seek help from those who practice witchcraft who even pose as men of god or prophet

I know ifrom my own experience how difficult it is to accept all I have explained and change your mindset. The reason is because you live amongst people who think like you and help to reinforce those ideas in your mind.

You have even demonstrated this on the thread you created. You have taken to the advice of those who help to confirm further what you already believe.

Witchcraft is a false reality. It is powered by irrational fear

When one does not know how to swim ,the person is afraid of any large body of water and may develop a phobia for it and would now start avoiding rivers and even swimming in the pool .

Fear can lead to drowning . When the person who is afraid of large body of water suddenly finds himself or herself in a river or pool of water , the thinking faculty becomes crippled and the person stars to act irrationally which may result in drowning.. Science explains that the mind can malfunction due to fear which leads to irrational behavior .

But the fear of water is subjective , meaning it is not real, since others who can swim are not afraid to get in the same water that you're afraid of . The water is not the problem but the person himself who does not know how to swim.

To remove the fear of water, you learn how to swim and not by running away.



You may have developed a phobia already which may require professional help.. Before thinking spiritual, maybe you should start from there for solution. Any kind of phobia can affect you in ways that can stop you from preforming to the best of your ability and when results dont come as expected ,the superstitious starts thinking witchcraft or juju

The advice to face my fears ( eating and drinking with my "enemies"worked since I was now doing things against what I have come to fear. This changed my thinking.Your actions can influence your thinking. The physical can influence the spiritual

Anyone who is versed in witchcraft would tell you that witches derive their power from fear or projecting fear into your mind. That's how they can harm you. If you show fear ,then you're easy meat.

If you run away or pray against them out of the believe they can harm you ,then you have opened the door for them to throw their illusion at you thereby hurting you.

The solution is not to do anything . Just dismiss the thought completely from your mind. Results may take time to manifest due to the fact that you have held the belief for a long time and it is already part of your programming. But if you persists ,changes would surely come and finally freedom. It was how I helped myself in the past .

But do you even know that you can be your
own witch hurting yourself

Yes, most people are their own witch through wrong thinking. If you strongly believe that witches are after your life when they are not, your mind would start creating it and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Believe what you want. In the end life we would always teach us better.

Have a wonderful day

@ Op,

Your mother is not the source of your problem but yourself.

I know it is difficult to accept but it is the truth. More than 20 years ago , I found myself in similar situation as yours and decided to run away from those whom I thought where responsible for what I was going through . But things did not approve .It got worse and was on the brink of suicide until help came from a spiritually advanced soul who advised me to go back home and live ,eat and drink with those whom I thought were responsible for my problems.

He told me that fear is my problem and running away would not solve the problem fear can bring. I should face my fears and that nothing can happen to me accept I allow it.

I did not understand at first all he said but I knew he said the truth because at that time I was truly afraid. Afraid to sleep at night, afraid I would drop down dead and all kinds of fear.

Later ,when things did not improve I decided to take the man's advice and travel back from Lagos back to delta state to face my fears and see what would happen.

When I got back home ,the first thing I did was to make sure I visit all the people I wrongly identify as witches. I eat whatever they brought for me and also drank anything given. Nothing happened.

In fact during that period one of them assisted me to get a job and other assistance too.

Later went to the university, through the help and advice by some of the same persons
I ran away from, graduated after some years searched for a job for some years and now gainfully employed.

This is my story and decided to tell it not only to you but for others too who have been misled or still been misled by fake spiritualist ,prophets and others.

Here it is ,anyone who tells you that your mother or anyone else is the source of your problem is your greatest enemy. They tell you that to trap you so you depend on them for solution.
Immediately you accept the lie ,then your downfall begins.

Why is this so?
The reason is simple. The human mind is extremely powerful .It can create effect from whatever you accept as truth. So ,if any one tells you that your mother is your problem and you accept it whether it is true or not ,your mind would start to create things to sabotage whatever you do to succeed in life. Until you free yourself from that thought, nothing would change.

We live in the part of the world where we are constantly told that external circumstances ( witches and wizards) are responsible for our problems and it has become part of our reality. Whatever we now experience is due to this false reality we are immersed in
.
The only way to get out of it ,is when we stop listening to people who tells us those lies and start filling our minds with more empowering beliefs.

Once you do those , you start to free yourself until you attain complete freedom from fear of witches and wizards and their influence.

If you accept the reality of witches, your life will then flow in accordance with that. Even prayer cannot save you. Whatever solutions you think you get through prayers would not last .It would only be temporary and the problem would keep coming .

The reason is because there is a wrong thought imbedded in your subconscious mind that will continue to nullify whatever prayers you do or any solution you apply.
If you don't eradicate that , there won't be permanent changes.

I am a living proof of all the things I have advised. I go to my village without any fear.

Don't get my wrong. There are people who practice witchcraft but they have no power to hurt or harm you accept you give them the permission to do so. And you give them the permission ,once you believe that they have power over you.

It is unfortunate you met the wrong people who have distorted your reality . No sincere spiritualist that I know of would ever tell you that you're under a curse or that you mother is responsible for your problem. Those who tell those lies want to put you in bondage of constantly coming back to them for prayers or others.

Those who can really "see" would do things to make your life move forward or give you proper advice on the right decisions to take to move your life forward.. They won't tell you "things"

So reach out to your mother and apologize for the neglect and your siblings too. If at the moment, you can't be of help, let them know. They would come to accept it and even pray for things to improve for you.

Nothing can happen to you if you don't allow it.

Non is superior

livingchrist:
I have heard people say, oh the religion or ideology is not bad but it is the people that practice it, oh islam is ok, but just some extremist.

Jesus said a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit.

Non is superior to each other. Your indoctrination makes you think otherwise.

Muslims can also identify things in Christianity which makes it inferior to Islam.

The reason is because every religion is man made and non can be perfect.

Instead of finding faults in other religious groups, focus on your own and practice it to the best of your ability.

If those watching while you practice ,realises that your religion has made you a better person, they may want join you to find out what has changed you.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Kobojunkie:
1. This isn't about not simply wanting to be quoted but about wanting you to grow for your own self. The New Covenant that you have with Jesus Christ is strictly between God and you so everything you hear or read about God ought to to tested against that which God Himself, your only Teacher , has taught you or has said.

2. I believe it is to guard against the indoctrinatiom of His own that God declared that He alone will Teach His own about Himself - Jeremiah 31 vs 33 - 34. Jesus Christ repeated the message declaring that on His Kingdom, that only those who are taught by the Father are His - John 6 vs 43 - 45. He condemned any of His followers who would choose to set themselves up as teachers over those who belong to Him declaring that He alone is Teacher to His flock - Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10

3. To follow the New Covenant is to set the very teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ as the common sense standard for all things in one's life. What this means is that no longer is the world to dictate for you that which is wisdom/common sense because Jesus Christ becomes the only source of wisdom and the standard by which you live.

And as I already explained to you before now, Jesus Christ commands that His followers do as He says where God and the things of God are concerned - John 15 vs 14.

Now as for the supposed issue, Jesus Christ never gave instructions on what language to approach Him in prayer in or worship with, neither did He stipulate that the Hebrew translation of His name alone be retained and used. What this means is that it is of NO ISSUE what language translation His name is said or used in.

Trying to an issue out of a non-issue, that is not of God but of man.

It is an issue because it has to do with indoctrination which keeps one stuck.

Maybe you don't care. But for me ,I know that following the truth, even when I cannot figure out immediately where it would lead to ,
would always end in freedom. Lies( indoctrination) keep you stuck and prevents you from evolving as a human being.



The choice is yours

You have not giving any direct answer to any of the questions asked.

The first thing you did was to refer me to an article written by a writer with an obvious bias for the subject matter and you think it would be enough.

That did not work and your latest strategy is to hide under what Jesus instructed or did not instruct.

Your latest defense, sorry to say is both childish and criminal.

It is what children and adults do to escape punishment after doing what they know they are not suppose to do.

A child pleads, "mummy please don't flog me, I did it because you didn't tell me not to"

An adult that is supposed to know better urinates openly in a public park and when confronted, he pleads ignorance and says, "oh I did not see a "do not urinate here" sign. "No one told me not to urinate here"


I dont know where and when it has ever happened , for someone in their right senses to completely abandon their original name in their own language for a translated version of the same name in another language.
And not only that ,the same person would also agree to answer to whatever translation of that same name in several languages at the same time.

Who does that?

Did Yeshua instruct you to call him with a translated version of his name?

Oh, because he has not said anything concerning the name, then you assume you're at liberty to do whatever you like.

If he were to appear in your room right now ,and ask why choose to call him Jesus instead of Yeshua, what would be your reply?

Would you insist on Jesus instead of Yeshua in that instance?



We should not throw away common sense just because we want to defend the untruth.

None is sure whether a being called Yeshua ever existed. An Israeli I know says no one like that.

But if it is true he ever existed, then he can never be the same as Jesus which is roman creation.

Kobojunkie:
You are free to choose as you please !

Jesus Christ never gave a command to any sort stipulating His name be only used as pronounced in any particular dialect.

Please don't quote me as that would suggest I am some sort of god over you and your choices where God is concerned and doing that is a sin against God.

If you don't want anyone to quote you, then why did you take it upon yourself to instruct us on what you think Jesus would want concerning his name. Would Jesus while alive accept to be called by a translated version of his name and also instruct his disciples to do likewise?

kobo, everyone is susceptible to indoctrination. Myself included.

The reason is because we can't know it all at any point in our lives.

Everyone uses shortcuts to learn things we can't possibly learn on our own. But in the process we stand the risk of learning things which are not true and when that happens ,we become indoctrinated and then act accordingly.

The major problem with being indoctrinated is that an indoctrinated person lack the awareness to know that he or she is operating under indoctrination and would do everything to defend the lie or misinformation as truth. Psychological studies have confirm this.

Fortunately for us as humans, life always present us with the opportunity to free ourselves from whatever lies we have been told. Yes always.

That moment comes when our indoctrination starts to work against our best interest and it is at this point that some choose, unfortunately, to fiercely defend whatever lies they have come to accept as truth while the bold ones starts to ask questions everything or else they become stuck or even get undone by what rhey have been indoctrinated with.

Humanity right now is in the period of questioning in order to know the truth.

If you believe it is the right thing to accept the adopted name of your saviour while neglecting his original Hebrew name when common sense dictates that a translated name can't have the same "value" as the original, then I have nothing further to say other than to accept your decision.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ is the English translation of the name and since English is my primary language, Jesus it is for me..

2. So, I should acquiesce to the OP's suggestion of a different name because?

3. If you are unable to grasp the meaning of what Jesus Christ commands and why it is that we are to submit to and obey His teachings alone even as we continue to live in this world, ask.

I choose bros j since you say Christ has not issued any command concerning his name.

That's how I will from now henceforth call him and if anyone on this forum accuses me of disrespect to the savoir, I would quote you to defend me.

Kobojunkie:
My justification is simple... Jesus Christ never commanded me to maintain His name in the Hebrew pronunciation of it.

If maintaining the Hebrew integrity of His name was of great importance, surely He, Jesus Christ, would have stated this clearly in the New Covenant Law which He brought us. A law would have been the best way to make such clear to us but Jesus Christ gave us no such.

If that's the case ,why the Greek version and not the one translated into your own language?

The Op already suggested Bros j . Why don't you pray with that or what would be wrong if anyone choose to?

If you only do what Jesus asked you to do , I doubt you would be on the Internet having this conversation with me.

Kobojunkie:
1. You mention that there were weak attempts to rationalise something to make people not see the issue and I wonder what issue you are referring there to.

What is wrong about the above statement?

2. Jesus Christ said in John 15 vs 14 that His friends are those who do as He commands them to. He went further to insist that those who are of Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 23 - 25. Clearly, Jesus Christ teaches that the only thing of importance is that which He teaches and has commanded.

Did Jesus Christ give us instructions where His name is concerned declaring that we maintain its Hebrew form in order to carry on as His followers?

3. The New Testament was documented, this by the "first" Christians, in the Greek language, and last I checked, God does not command that He be worshipped only in the Hebrew language , so I am not certain what the issue is here if God never made it one to begin with.

Please spare the sermon. This is the main issue.

What is the justification for abandoning the original Hebrew name, Yeshua, for the translated version in Greek, despite the fact that the Hebrew language from which it was translated from has not gone extinct?

Would you as a human being abandon your original name in your local language if it is translated into another that you're not even familiar with and then ask your friends and family to accept the new?

I doubt if you would.

And if you would not, why do you think you can out of your own whims and capricises adopt a translated version in place of the original name presumely given by a Divine being to his only begotten son and you think it doesn't matter ?

Kobojunkie:
1. Fortunately, this article by Newsweek answers much of your first and second questions
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/jesus-yeshua-joshua-there-right-way-identify-son-god-1270917%3famp=1

2. As to your third question, are you somehow of the mind that the names John, Nicodemus, Thomas, Peter, Simon, Elizabeth, James etc., are all Hebrew names?

So , an article written by someone with an obvious bias for Christianity is what you think would answer the question objectively?

The choice of words and expression used by the writer is revealing of her religious inclination . There were weak attempts to rationalise it all in order to make people not see the issue as anything serious. That was disingenous of her.

You should know that the opinion expressed in the article has nothing to do with Newsweek as organization. They have a disclaimer to articles like the one you're referencing


That aside, nothing in it is reasonable enough to justify why the original Hebrew name has been abandoned.

Maybe you're yet to get me.

Let me put it in a way that would be clear to you.

If you were part of the early Christian group that refer to the savior as Yeshua, would you agree to adopt the new name in Greek when get to know that it has been translated?

What would be your reason if you choose to?

As for the last question, my apologies. I never really checked that one very well.

But our focus should be on Yeshua/ Jesus

Anyone who claims to have received miracle money from God through the banking system in this time and age is not only without common sense but is also a thief.

Sadly ,some so called mog( apostle Suleiman, one of them) are preaching miracle money to their congregation.

One can only start to think of miracle money when the source cannot be traced in anyway. But we all know that's not possible in this modern banking era

If the name Yeshua is the real name in Hebrew, then it would mean that early Christians knew of no other name by which the savior was called.

They certainly did not call him Jesus.

Now the question is, why has modern day Christians chosen to call the savior ,Jesus, instead of Yeshua despite the fact that the original Hebrew language from which the name was translated from is still being spoken in the world today?

If the Bible was immediately translated into Greek during the time of the early Christians , who spoke Hebrew, do we imagine that they would have adopted the name, Jesus, while abandoning the original Hebrew name entirely just like modern day Christians ?

Another question ,

why is there no translation of the names of other biblical characters into Greek except that of Yeshua?