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Kobojunkie:
That is probably why the Op chose it as an issue worth discussing because so many assume it is written in stone somewhere that cooking is the job of a particular gender, when there is really no biological or psychological evidence for this assumption.

I personally do not agree with the Pastor preaching such an idea in the name of God but it is of essence that we seek more enlightened as a people, even about those things we have come to accept as norms.

We should not use our personal circumstances to determine how others should live their lives. Not everyone can afford a chef and everyone would not be rich.

There are women who would never entertain the idea of their husbands employing a chef to take over from them. They would ask the husband if he has not been enjoying the cooking hence the sudden decision to employ someone else.

Kobo , you're not ready to to see things from another standpoint other than yours. A woman who loves cooking and can cook very well would not even consider it as something she is being forced to do. The thought would not cross her mind at all. Whether it's the norm or not is not her concern

She would take pride in doing so for the rest of her life ,especially if she is a full time housewife

Kobojunkie:
Who says a woman must cook at all?

Not everyone would make an issue out of it if the wife can't cook. So what's the problem?

Kobojunkie:
Probably the very same reason why a man will live with his father and not know how to build a house with his own hands, take care of maintainance and plumbing issues around the house.

Your second question is probably rebutted by the OP'S question- "Where did you hear that a woman must cook till she dies?"

Who says women must cook till they drop dead?

Kobojunkie:
I believe the OP's main question is Where did you hear that a woman must cook till she dies?

My comment is a reaction to the pastor's

This would appeal to women who are very bad cooks.

From my own experience, a woman who knows how to cook very well, would not want to stop cooking for her household for any reason, especially if she has the time .

Such women, no matter their busy schedule, would try to find some time to cook.

They are not doing it because it is what they must do as married women , but simply because they love and enjoy what they do and also because of the ego boosting praises they get from their husbands. This makes them feel loved and appreciated.

Unfortunately, women who can really cook very well are hard to find these days.

The ones we have now are mostly terrible cooks who can't take the criticism they get from their husbands.

The pastor is playing to the gallery in order to tell some persons what they would love to hear and see happen.

What is wrong with a woman cooking for the rest of her life if she has the time, enjoys it and it also gives her happiness?

My late grandmother was still struggling to cook despite her frail condition. She would not want anyone to stop her doing what she loved doing

HellVictorinho:
My Gmail has issues.

It's either WhatsApp or an SMS


09093543781


I am very weak here

Called and messaged you already. No response from you

HellVictorinho:
I don't have anything except problems

I already sent you a pm some days ago but no response from you

I don't believe the Ops story is exactly true.

We have not been told the exact situation and the reason , I think, is so that the so called mother and those who know her would not stumble on the story here to get to know what the Op's friend is planning to do.

I have seen this same situation before and this is what I think the true situation is.

The so call mother is not the real mother but the step mother .

It is either the father already had the son from another woman before getting married to the step mother or had him with another woman after he, the father, was desperate to get a male child that would "continue" from him after death.

Which ever the case, now that the father is late, the son has now come around to use tradition to force the step mother out so as ro inherite the house and his willing to do anything to achieve his aim and does not care whatever drastic measures used since the stepmother is not his real mother

He obviously does not have a good relationship with the step mother probably because the woman herself is not happy to not to have given birth to a male child for her late husband and already has been expecting that a day would come when the son would come to a stake a claim to what rightfully belongs to him due to tradtion.

If this the true situation, as I think, the friend of the op should be very careful. That woman would do anything, I mean anything to ensure she is not ejected from her late husband's house .

Judybash93:
My mum is an elder in the church, my father is a strong believer and I'm an unbeliever. Due to the open relationship that I have with my father, i had to come clean so as to let him know that I'm no more a believer. He was shocked at first but when i explained reasons why I'm no more following their religious beliefs, he was satisfied and said that I should choose my way. My mum doesn't know yet.

Your dad could take it but not your mum the reason you have not informed her

In the case of the Op ,the dad is a devoted Christian who is emotional about his Christian beliefs. Hence the constant phone calls for his son to pray

So you personal circumstances and that of the Op are not the same. He cannot apply your advice

@Op,
I dont see how it can ever be polite to tell your parents while you still live with them that you're leaving religion.

Even when you move away and start to live alone, t's still not a wise decision to let your dad know. Religious beliefs in this part of the world is something that most people emotionally hold on to.

Except you don't have regard and consideration for your dad, you just might end up breaking his heart with your decision .

Responsible people consider how their decision might affect others around them before acting. You seem not to care and one wonders why?

Is it because of the things you have been reading here and elsewhere from persons whose personal circumstances you don't really know?

If you were married with kids already and your wife a devoted Christian, what decision would you have taken if you then decided to stop praying?

Divorce her and also abandoned your kids to leave alone so they don't disturb you?

My mother , when she was alive , was a devoted Christian and each time I go to visit her ,she always drown me with prayers . She doesn't know I no longer go to any church.

Why would I, during those times , except something was wrong with me, ever consider letting her know what I now believe and also asking her to stop praying for me?

In Africa ,the family unit is a close knit one where everyone look out for each other. Whatever decisions you make and whatever affects you is felt by everyone within the family circle.

So you should consider the disharmony you might introduce into your family circle with what you intend to do.

Apply common sense and know that your family might not be ready for what you intend to do at this time or in the future.

Anyway, I don't think you can handle the outcome. You're just bluffing.

HellVictorinho:
1. I work as a teacher in a secondary school.
2.When I joined the school in 2019, it was 10 000 per month.
In September 2020,it was increased to 12 000 per month.
In May 2021,it was increased to 14 000 per month.
But that doesn't mean I have been receiving a specific amount every month since I joined the school.
Whenever the school is on break,I don't get paid at all.
If the school resumes late in a month,it also means the payment will be affected.
I have tried to get students for alternative private lessons but it has been futile.
The extra lesson organized by the school has been terrible and useless to my life.
3. I was given the phone number of another private school's owner by one of my colleagues but I have not called the person because I don't have credit on my phone and it is not yet time to call the person.
I am not sure if the other school has even started holiday lessons.
I wanted to call the person to request for a part-time job because I don't want to continue as a full-time teacher.
I also wanted to call another person that promised to introduce me to some students for private lessons.
Then, there's a person that I am yet to call to ask if a cleaner is needed in the factory.

4.Well, I can work as a part-time teacher/private lesson teacher in different places or/and help people to solve assignments online most especially on Maths/Physics.

*But I also don't mind dumping these things to do porn*

The nonsense some people say about pornstars remains nothing but nonsense

I see pornstars as successful brilliant people too.

It takes brilliance+chance/luck to do anything to get money.

5. I live in Gberigbe,Ikorodu, Lagos.
6. I live basically alone in a single room but I have neighbors in a compound that shows nothing but suffering.
7. I am yet to pay at least 17 000 which is required of me.
If I don't pay before another person comes for the room,I will have to leave.
8. I finished secondary school in 2015 and I'm 24.
9. I have done several jobs including teaching,selling drinks,washing cars, cutting grasses,packing sand, assisting brick layers, fetching water
10.Speaking of my background only makes me disconsolate(d)
11.That one that mentions my mother's name in vain never helps matters.
My background is unnecesarily large for no reason.
I wonder if my brother is still alive where he is.
I hope my eyes don't get damaged as a result of what I have been eating.
14. I have not made any call to the two people I have talked about in the teaching line or the person that works in the factory.
I cannot determine how they will respond.
I don't know if they still need anyone.
I can't call because it is not time or/and I don't have credit.
15. I don't have any ID

My birth certificate says I am someone different from Victor 'Hell Victorinho' Omris.
But I don't agree.

I was Omerigwe Victor.

But I am now Victor 'Hell Victorinho' Omris.


I wanted to do rap but some issues have made it so difficult to release/upload anything.
I will still try again.


It's of no use calling me what I don't want you to call me anymore.

If anyone wants to get my attention without severe issues, the person has to call me what I want him or her to call me.


Like I said, I don't mind porn too.

Please erase some of the too personal things you have written about yourself.
You don't need to reveal all about yourself to get help. .

budaatum:
If they read their Bible, the afterlife would be the least of their concern when they are not halfway through their 3 score and 10 on earth. A person who is not saved from hunger can, or at least should not be rejoicing about what happens when they die.

Christ afterall is written to have said, “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.” So why be worrying about some afterlife that might be 10, 20, 30, or 40 years away, when God is supposed to be anointing your head with oil today and preparing tables before you so you can share that table with your enemies and perhaps make them your friends?

'Jesus' is simply the Logos that opens eyes, and one has to do work to even understand what Logos means. While he spat on mud and rubbed it in eyes, one still must go bath in the Pool of Siloam before one can say, "I can see!"

The sheepies are not interested in reading to know for themselves but are only interested in obeying instructions of those whom they think know better than them

budaatum:
I doubt its like democracy where the majority wins. No one needs to explain to lazy fuqs that they will indeed starve while waiting for manna to fall from heaven.

Christ himself is written to have said the work is plenty but the workers are few, and a smart person would easily understand that those who believe are plenty but the understanders are few too.

Exactly why we have so many persons who appears to be walking through life with their closed and with the hope that at then of it all, they would step into heaven just like that without understanding how they got there.

budaatum:
"Unless you be born again", and not, "unless I, Jesus, reborn you", please note!

Perhaps stop listening to Christianity and go read your Bible yourself, because the bit where it is written that you must bear your own cross is specifically informing you of your role in your own salvation.

How many so called Christians would be willing to see your point?

Dtruthspeaker:
And this is the error, Christianity is not a medicine that you take to help you to change.

IT IS THE CHANGER, WHO WANTS TO CHANGE, WHO MUST CHANGE HIMSELF, IF HE WANTS TO.

God's Instructions and Counsels is ONLY ADVICING YOU TO CHANGE and Become God Like or Christ-like (Christian) if you do not want to have an horrible living and an even more greater than horrible dying/eternal living in constant unending dying.

Which is why you rightly said "the individual should already have the capacity to love."

Do individuals not already have that ability and capacity? They do.

Do they want to exercise that ability and capacity? Their fruits and end products have already answered this question, which is the basis of this thread.

It is either you don't know your religion or you trying to rationalise the inconsistency in it with your reply.

Christianity tells us that only Jesus can save . Nothing more and nothing less. The individual cannot do it alone. In fact it is impossible.

But if you now say that it depends on the individual to change, then you imply no one needs Jesus to change .

Then what would be the point of preachers going about telling people to give their lives to Christ so that with the coming of the holy spirit, the old ways suddenly pass away and everything becomes new?

Do you see it now?

From what I know, Christianity is a religion that teaches love for oneself and others.

But the thing is that, for one to practice this love, the individual should already have the capacity to love.

Christianity does not have what it takes to change anyone into a better person.

Most Nigerians are self selfish and self centered and Christianity cannot do much in changing that.

After becoming born again ,they pretend for a while and like a dog to its vomit, they revert to their old ways.


Christ, according to them, has died for all your sins both the old and the new ones and even more the ones you're yet to commit. You're covered by grace . So therefore, you can live your life as before .Nothing spoil





Yahoo boys and corrupt politicians are prominent members of most of these churches and they are not ready to change but instead are praying and fasting for success in what they do. Pastors pray and bless them all the time.



What most of the so called Christians are good at is pretentious Holiness

I know of friends and family members who claim to have become born again and even went to Bible school and ended up becoming pastors but still hold on to grudges they had with others before becaming born again.


If you come across a loving Christian,just know that the person has been a loving person before now.

It is not my business how people choose to live their lives. But no wicked person hiding under Christianity should go about telling others to change from their evil ways. That is hypocrisy

The Op's argument is a fallacious one. He has committed the fallacy of false analogy.

There can be no comparison between Seun, the owner and creator of nairaland, and an almighty God that is believed to have created the world we all live in.

Even if we all agree that both can be compared , it is still not enough reason to cast Seun in the mold of almighttyness.

If a law is not meant for you , and you go on to act not minding it, you have not violated it in anyway even when others around you that the law is meant for are obeying it.

The Op cannot pretend not to know the reason for the restriction placed in the Muslim section. Due to the fact that the forum is a faceless one, some persons go to that section regularly to make comments they would dare not make if they know that their true identity offline could be easily identified.

How many of such persons who are in the habit of making those vile comments in the Muslim section dare go to their Facebook page where they can be easily identified to nsult the Muslim prophet and risk what would come with it?


Seun case is different. unlike most of us here, is not hiding. He is well known not only on this forum but worldwide. For this reason, he cannot afford to behave like those who hide here to make hatefilled comments in the Muslim section. And so, it would not make any sense for anyone to expect him to swear to something that should not concern him .

The Op Should provide a valid reason why God should bypass his laws

And how does the Op even know that God can bypass any of his laws? If God works in mysterious ways, as I am sure he agrees to ,is not possible then that he, unlike imperfect humans, still can obey the laws he has created ?



One struggles to see how ordinary humans get automatically conferred with almightyness for disregarding a law or rule they are not even supposed to obey in the first place

The Op's argument is a very weak one . Instead of accepting this and find a way to make amends or to discontinue the conversation, he has been busy trying to shift responsibility for his failure on others by accusing people of not understanding the nonsense he has written.

The sheepies will obey because they can't think for themselves.

Nothing last forever. It's just a matter of time freedom will come for the minds that have been enslaved.

@op I understand your pains. It is obvious you feel cheated because of what you have come to discover about the condition of her womb.

But is it possible she wasn't even aware ?

Since she wasn't married before or tried to get pregnant for someone else, I don't think she would have found it necessary to check for anything.
Whatever the case ,its obvious you don't really love her . The reason I say this is because I know of someone who found himself in the same situation as yours. It wasn't even an issue for him. He understood it was her past and was a mistake. No lady in her right senses would deliberately do abortion in order to damage her womb.

So what did the person I am talking about do? He stood by her and from one doctor to another, several miscarriages and even still birth, the wife finally gave birth. This was a period of about 8 years.



Love doesn't last forever or something that just grow on it's own . It is won everyday by the things you do to keep the flame of love aglow. The problem is yours and not hers. You got married to someone you never truly loved.

If you get a new wife with a perfect womb and after getting married something then happens to the womb, what would you do then?

SexyBabe001:
Its funny the way we Nigerians talk and make ourselves autorithy in some certain issues. Like I said, its obvious the pastors are lying. If you know Oyedepo well enough he hardly reply to media or social media talks. He has been silent for almost 1-2 weeks and everyone was awash with different facts and useless talk.

Now for clarity sake, he came out to clear the air on what really happened as the senior pastor in charge setting the records right, you are even blaming him.

What do you ppl want sef? He talk wahala, he no talk... Wahala...

By the way I don't attend Winners.. I have never worship there or attend their service but I have great respect for Bishop Oyedepo

Your reply shows you didn't take the time to read my response.
You said it was obvious the pastors were lying. Why did you say so? Was it not because of what the Bishop has said?


You created a thread and commented on it but are unwilling to take criticism for what you started.
Oyedepo has not set any "record right" from anything he has said. The issue has to do with money and he is silent about the actual source of the church revenue. Once that is known, nobody will accuse him of employing pastors to make money for the church .So what are you talking about?

Anyway its enough now. Let's end the conversation. Have a wonderful day

Ogbuefi2020:
Benin empire sold mainly yoruba and itshekiri slaves

The Benins never at any time sold itsekiris as slaves. If you think they did, then tell us the history.

You certainly don't know the strong connection that exist between the Benins and
the itsekiris. The fact that you can't even spell the name of the tribe correctly shows that you don't know anything.

Hardfacts234:
We Igbos also have Yoruba ,Benin and itshekiri slaves among us.

We also have Benin and Yoruba related names in our Igboland

Tell us the history of the Benin and itsekiri slaves amongst your people

SexyBabe001:
I know the sacked pastors were lying

Nothing in what your pastor has said has proven the pastors were lying.

If someone accuses you for being a thief or a scammer because of the extravagant way you spend money and reports you to the police, the only way you can defend yourself is to provide proof of how you earn your money legally to show that you're not involve in any criminal activity whatsoever.

Now , the sacked pastors have said the reason for the sack was because the church told them that they were not generating enough income.

Since the accusation has to do with money, we expected your pastor to have directly address it by providing enough proof of how exactly the church makes its money to build those churches and also pay the pastors their salaries regularly so as to clear the church name that they never at anytime asked the pastors to bring new members for money.

Unfortunately, there's nothing in his address that has shown exactly how his church earn its revenue other than a very embarrassing attempt to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Or does winners chapel, print money secretly?

My opinion is that if your pastor believes he his doing good for the larger society through his church business he should have remain silent and allow people say whatever they want.

As for the pastors themselves, I think they were stupid for complaining. They can't pretend not to know what the person who employed them wanted them to do or not to know how the church makes money to pay their salaries.

Vivien458:
so what do you think?

I may only advise if I know why exactly you believe you under a curse.

The truth of matter is that if you're really under what you think is a curse you won't even know it except if someone else draws your attention to the fact based on what they have observed.
But you shouldn't just believe anyone who tells you that you're under a curse.

Curse or not you're the only one who has the power to change your situation. You just need to drop your fears

The pastors were sacked because the system which LFC operates is now working against them. More sacking is coming unless something changes. The church and the members continue to live in denial



Why would a Church registered as a non profit organisation employ pastors and put them on a fixed salary not allowances from
the irregular tithes and offerings given by the faithful? How does that make any sense to anyone?


I don't see how those pastors would have been sacked if their pastoring was voluntary.


Pastors who work or operate voluntarily in other churches do it wholeheartedly because they believe they were called by God and he, God, would provide what they need to survive as long as they continue to serve him.

This is what some of us, in the past, observed, knew and understood while growing up and attending churches .

These days everything keeps changing and people are getting confused

What I see in LFC is very close to how a ponzi scheme operates where Peter(the faithful) is being robbed to pay Paul (pastors) and when it becomes difficult to get any new "Paul" things start to crumble. Sacking of pastors and closing of churches starts to happen.

BTW when did we start having the words; pastors, employ, salary and sack in the same sentence? Is it that these Pentecostal churches are operating with a different Bible ?

I also like to ask , does church growth now means more members or the impact a few faithful members have on the larger society?

Has the statement "many are called but a few chosen changed to many are called but many must be chosen ?

Vivien458:
Please let's communicate if you can help out. I don't want scammers.

It may not be what you think. In other words ,you may not be under a curse.

Which of the God(s)?

Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.

How do you know church growth in winners chapel is not the same as "income generation" when the church has remained silent on the exact criteria used in determining this growth?

If you have any info as to what constitute church growth in that church please let the public know so that "heck circulating" on the Internet is stopped

pafra:
You keep calling "ramble" new found word?
You asked a question, I gave you an answer.

Will the reward of prosperity fall from God in heaven? Mr ramble

Angeles don't keep finances human keep finance. Do God have chief account? I am just human. May be you should tell me how

What is it you have said that has made any sense?

Nothing

pafra:
Money don't fall form from haven the the soul bring the money.

Should we leave the souls because they bring the money?
Or we forget the money because the soul bring the money?

Zeph: 1:17 : my city through prosperity will be spread abroad.

God don't through money from heaven.

It seems you like to ramble

If the main concern for the Church is the winning of souls and not money, why bother at all whether they the souls bring or don't bring money?

Why not focus on the job God has called you to do and let him reward you with prosperity

Or are you God's Chief accountant to take account of his finances ?

Lifestone:
If that guy is a true pastor, he won't drag the church to social media for ridicule. He knows his action won't bring back his job, but trying to embarrass the church which should ordinarily be his constituency. Where's Daddy Freeze today

The pastor dragged winners chapel to social media because he is an insider who knows exactly what goes on in that church that the public is not aware of.

BTW which other Pentecostal church in Nigeria you think would employ a pastor that was
openly disengaged by oyedepo who is seen as infallible by most, if not, all Pentecostal Christians

Except those pastor open their own church or find something else to do , their ability to fend for themselves and their dependents has been greatly jeopardized.

I don't think they were paid any disengagement benefit. If they were, then they should use the money to set up something for themselves. But I doubt if they were paid any

pafra:
When God called the pastor, did he calling him to winners?

He should go and prove his calling. It must not be in winners.

The aspects of money. Ask anyone that attends winner's they will nerve emphasis money.

Is the only church that don't put anyone under pressure to give.

If any church lack anything just apply once approved the money will be released.

Every winners church have monthly impress. It is sent at the beginning of every month.

All workers are under a central payroll. It is not the duty of the local assembly to raise funds in winner's.

It is a taboo for a local assembly to raise funds it is forbidden.

If the church wants to build church, school, land or any other project. It is not the responsibility of the local assembly no member of the church is under pressure to donate. The head quarters mobilize the contractor to site.

This church is just unique.

Winner's transfer pastor every 2 - 3 Years. It improves effectiveness. As for the pastor sack there is more to it

You just rambled without mentioning the exact source of your Church revenue