₦airaland Forum

FODA:
may be the pastor failed in that aspect too sir ,there is no place in the letter where money is been mentioned ,but the man rush online to draw public attention ,if he is truly a pastor ,he will focus on his God given assignment not man given task ,most of them are only doing the job cos of the salary not because of soul .God will help us sir

If they were doing the job because of the salary as you have said above, then it means only one thing which I am sure you already know

This is for those defending the decision of winners chapel in sacking its pastors

What is the actual source of the money used in paying employed pastors in winners chapel? How does the church make money to pay its pastors? Is the money coming from God directly?

Answer the above questions honestly to wake up from your sleep .

MaxInDHouse:
Well there is no festival peculiar to what people do today in the lives of the early Christians!

Customs like Birthdays, Christmas, New Year, Easter, New Moon, Yam Festival, Valentine and so on do contribute largely to Racism and Politics in the human society!

What is racism?
Do you know the meaning? Or maybe you have your own definition because I fail to see how any of those you mentioned above contribute to racism.

If you think they do, please give instances of how

Image123:
You are so angry to imagine a white Jesus, to the point that you are deluded enough to say what i did not say. Did i say that Jesus or God was any colour? Stop the racism. It mistakenly spilled out of your heart but it needs to be uprooted.

If you have understood anything, the reference to the color of Jesus is just one example of implicit racism which the op discussed and it doesn't prove I am racist in anyway or against Jesus. Why are you reacting negatively if you have not mentioned or imagine a white Jesus

How am I racist if the colour of God or Jesus is not Known in the Bible? You head is not there at all. Trying to guilt trip me is a stupid gimmick which I won't fall for

I am sure a lot of people have read the topic but you the only one who has been displaying a lack of understanding Should it not worry you?

Your problem is that you don't know the difference between explicit and implicit racism. The op has already advised you to know the difference before participating in any discussion concerning racism. We are discussing implicit racism right now .So all your accusations are off

And sorry , you lack the awareness to know what has been done to you.

Next time make sure you understand very well a topic before commenting so as not to exposé your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:
What do you think i meant by "pagan customs and festivals"

What do you mean?

Image123:
You cannot come to the religion section of the forum and mention God and Jesus and say they are not the main point. They remain the main point for me and all i want to talk about. Without Jesus, every other thing is insignificant. It's a miracle that you cannot see that. i should advise you not to force yourself to reply. Like i earlier said, we are not on WhatsApp here, this is a public forum.
With all your "knowledge", you're still too racist to imagine God or Jesus being black or white. So shame.

You have not seen God or Jesus before and nowhere in the bible did we have a mention of their colour.
So tell me the reason for your anger if the op says there's a lot wrong with you when you imagine God or Jesus as white.

How did arrive at the conclusion that God and Jesus are white when it is not even mentioned in the bible.
Do you know that there are black Jews and that the lineage of Jesus is known to be black and not white. Well that's not what I am interesting in.
Just tell me from the bible how you got to know that Jesus or God is White

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a complex issue that you need to study God's word diligently before you can figure it out.

For instance people promote racism through:
Pagan customs and festivals!
National Anthem and Pledge!
Politics!
Traditional laws!
Christians in the first century erased all these that's why the Jews kept persecuting the Christians because these are the weapons Satan is using to cause hatred among people!

Not true that people promote racism through pagan customs and festivals.

Infact when you regard your traditional African religion has pagan belief and by contrast foreign religion ( christhianity, Islam) as holy, you're implicitly contributing to racism.

Image123:
The OP says "any time you imagine that God or Jesus to be White, then there's a lot wrong with you." If you do not want people to talk about God or Jesus, then stop putting them in your OP and telling people that a lot of things are wrong with them, then act all worked up if people talk. Some of you would be worse than current dictators if you had the power. Did you buy the thread, see trouble ohh. If you feel so much for little reed, give him a call or go visit him, stop behaving like a sissy on a public forum. You are talking about racism but you have a problem with Jesus having a colour, is that not hypocrisy? Even a drunk has said on the thread that it matters not if His colour was green. But you are almost in a fit to hear people even IMAGINE His colour. If you do not understand your OP, stay on whatsapp and don't fool around the kitchen.

If the op is beyond your comprehensoin , then don't force yourself to comment

You have been exposing your ignorance and at the same displaying childish behaviour with all you have done here.


The reference to Jesus is not the main point of the issue under discussion. If you have failed to understand that ,then it's your problem to deal with.


Please I don't find any pleasure in engaging a religious zombie like you.
It should end now. Goodnight.

MaxInDHouse:
All what we find is a book written by people we don't know, they claimed it's the word of God, we study what's written, applied it and found out how perfectly it's working out.
Please what sense is there to start asking for the skin colour of those who penned down the writings or the characters?
If not because of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization and how they have used Jesus' counseling to catch people from all races and made them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, there is no reason why i should believe that book called Bible, because everything found written in the book can't be verified apart from the result as JWs practically applied it and it's working! James 2:18-26

Good that your group has been able to use the bible in a positive way. Happy it has worked for you.

But the discussion here is how we implicitly contribute to racism.

My reference to the colour of Jesus should be understood in the context of the op and not that I am against you practicing your religion

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares if he's green?

God's word said Jesus is the wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} that we must listen to in order to produce fine fruits! Matthew 17:5

All i'm saying is that there is a man God sent to the world to help us eradicate racism, failure to adhere to his counseling will never bring people together rather you'll only end up creating more division! Luke 11:23

I'm sorry i only beleive in Jesus' words after studying it diligently, i've come to realize that this guy can save the world {John 4:42} i don't bloody care about his skin colour!

OK. The end justify the means then

orisa37:
Racism is routed in The Genes. God gives PREROGATIVES AND LAWS. OBEY THEM AND YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID.

How is it rooted in the Genes?

Image123:
Look in the mirror, you came looking for cure, i didn't. You're the one looking for and clamoring after appreciation. You're the one looking for help on God's colour. Pick up the mirror, you're the one. Don't feel so much like nothing.

The subject matter of the op is not to discuss the color of your God or Jesus but how we implicitly contibute to racism. If my reference has pricked you, then know that not everyone imagine God or Jesus as white.

BTW why jump in here to attack the personality of Lordreed? Where did that came from?

If you have issues with him before now, has your Jesus ask you to pursue him here.
Please don't derail the thread.

If you can't find any meaning in the op, please get something else to engage you

Image123:
Do you feel less appreciated by my post, do you need appreciation? Okay, i appreciate you. Read more of the Word of God as food, you will stop feeling unappreciated and needing to appreciate yourself using surveys.

You have a whole lot of issues to deal with. I am not your cure. Please find help elsewhere

Image123:
i should be asking you, you stated that "any time you imagine that God or Jesus to be White, then there's a lot wrong with you."

The answer is in the op

Image123:
Anything wrong with imagining God or Jesus to be black, i'm asking for a friend sorry friends, lol.

Why should you even imagine God or Jesus if it is real to you?

Image123:
Really? The results fluctuate and should rightly not be used to make important decisions. But here's little Reed in the wind, gaining insight and appreciating himself more based on of course the unstable wind, lol.
When i say you lack joy and can never find true fulfillment outside the true God, you think i am kidding. Don't worry look for more research from your gods to help you appreciate yourself.

If your God has helped you to appreciate yourself better, then you should be in a better position to appreciate others no matter what they stand for.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what i'm saying!
There are thousands of ways Satan can use to promote racism, the one and only person given the wisdom to conquer Satan's missiles is Jesus of Nazareth.
How many people are studying the Bible to know about him?
Even 99.9% of those claiming Christians don't know anything about Jesus. So it's impossible for unbelievers to unravel the mystery behind racism!

What is the colour of Jesus of Nazareth?
Black or white?

LordReed:
I encountered an excellent resource for testing implicit biases. I tested quite well for racism with no implicit bias but my implicit religious bias remains skewed towards Christianity. I was able to gain more insight it my behaviours and it made me appreciate myself more.

Here's the link:

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatouchtest.html

They have a bunch of tests for all sorts of biases. Check it out.

Thanks. Will go through the link

MaxInDHouse:
How To Deal With Racism!

Even the world's greatest intellectuals can't find a solution to it, because the one causing it is a REAL Mighty spirit and evil genius who has legions of angels and human agents working with him! Revelations 12:12

May you have PEACE!

You have only looked at the t title without reading and understanding what was written after.
Please take your time to understand the op so we can discuss better.
I am not against your group or what you think you're doing to eradicate racism but .my aim is to make every black person realise that we might just be unconsciously contributing to racism while claiming to be totally against it.

This is it. How do you know that you're not contributing to racism by your unconscious behavior

MaxInDHouse:
That is impossible!
According to God's Son the world will continue to get worse and blood by the day {Matthew 24:7 compare to Revelations 6:3-4} it's only his own true followers that will remain peaceful and peaceloving everywhere you find them due to God's holy spirit working with them {John 14:26-27} and they will have LOVE amongst themselves! John 13:34-35
So you can continue with what you're doing but i'm just here to tell you that it's never going to work if truly Jesus is the son of God whose words will never go unfulfilled! Matthew 24:35


I know there is no group on this planet that's truly united and peaceful globally except Jesus' group "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"
I have been to so many lands and i was a Muslim before i knew them so don't think it's what someone told me it's what i experienced myself! John 8:32

Sorry sir. I am afraid you don't understand the op at all

DoggoneDogg:
Lol

Let me tell you what the problem is. Your subconscious.
Simple.

The spiritualists are not lying. They actually see that man hindering you.
But do you know why they all see him??

Because you have kept this man in your subconscious ALWAYS as the source of your problems.

The moment you remove him from your thoughts, you will discover the real reason behind your misfortunes.

Cheers.

It is very possible the people he met have the special ability to perceive the thought form of the uncle floating I around him. But it is a lie that the uncle , by this , possesses the power to control his destiny.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus told us to broadcast whatever we hear in the secret on the roof top. Luke 8:16-17
These are fine works the world needs to know about God's people so let's just leave it at that, there is no group on this planet that's united and peaceful like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's why you can't mention any!
I have been to so many lands Sir so i can boast that there's no group of people as peaceful and united like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

This thread wasn't opened to discuss any group fighting racism but to create awareness about the things we unconsciously do as black people to promote it.


This is what the op is all about .Please focus on that so the thread don't get derailed.

I am not going to mention any group as you requested because I don't want to influence anyone joining anything . No group is perfect. They all have their dark side unknown to the public

But I know there better religious organization than JW.. It is your responsibility to find this out for yourself so you can know if your group is lying to you or not.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you have a proof of the underlined?

Can you mention just one group and expatiate on how you come to conclude that they're truly peaceful and united?

Well, I don't think I would like to mention the name of any group since I don't want to promote any

However, there's a member of this forum who post regularly nearly everyday on this board to promote his religious group. He has been here for a long time. You don't find him engaging in any confrontation with anyone . Unlike you, thats in the habit of responding with insults or snide comments, this person has been quietly doing his thing

And having flirted with that group in the past ,I know they have members from different parts of the world who don't discriminate amongst themselves

Infact ,they are more united than any other group that I know and can think of. Maybe I am saying because of my past involvement with them. But the truth is that I witnessed and experienced what I am talking about.

So quit that thinking that your group is the only one where members don't discriminate amongst themselves

MaxInDHouse:
I suppose you brought this to the religious section for religionists to gain insight, but there is one global family God gave the power to defeat RACISM:

"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Go and learn from them, they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Micah 4:1-3

Your group is not the only one that has members drawn from different parts of the world and are united in worshipping their God. I know of several groups who are far more united and peaceful than yours and they don't make any noise about it.


Inspite of your boast ,,racism is still here with us. If you believe racism has been defeated within your group but it still exist outside of it, then I am afraid you're living in denial.

I rather you looked within yourself and be aware of how you might be contributing to it

What every African should know.

How do we defeat *racism*, if we ourselves don't understand the difference between " *IMPLICIT* " and " *EXPLICIT* " racism ?

Get informed and learn how to consciously debate or discuss racism if confronted with it.

https://www.verywellmind.com/implicit-bias-overview-4178401

*Get informed about IMPLICIT and EXPLICIT racism...*

_What every black person must know about racism_

*Explicit* racism includes any speech or behaviors that demonstrate a conscious acknowledgement of racist attitudes and beliefs. By contrast, *implicit* racism includes unconscious biases, expectations, or tendencies that exist within an individual, regardless of ill-will or any self-aware prejudices.

Making ourselves to be more conscious about the "Topic" *Racism*

_Simple explanation_ :

Unconscious racial stereotypes are a major example of implicit bias. In other words, having an automatic preference for one race over another without even being aware of this bias.

So any time you imagine that God or Jesus to be White, then there's a lot wrong with you.

* Footnote* Topic inspired and paraphrased from a friend's WhatsApp chat.

How do you expect to break free when you already accepted the lie that your relative has power over you.

Your relative is not the source of your problem but the people you went to consult..

Nobody has the power to control your destiny unless you allow them

Calitoscassius:
Your opinion.


I would counter if your comments were not so biased.


Good, but other people like me still believes her stories. It is also possible that you might be proved wrong eventually.

And who tells you bias cannot be countered with objectivity?

If you think I am bias then say the right thing.or tell me why you're very certain her story is true. That would help to counter what you regard as my bias

Right now, everyone has one bias or the other concerning the case and you are not exempted .No one knows the other story other than hers.

Calitoscassius:
Everything you have written above is out of emotion and sheer assumptions. It also biased, if you were not in the position the girl was you cannot jump into these conclusions. No one can tell how they would react if they find themselves in the position the girl was.

No emotions. I explained why I no longer consider her story true based on the exact things she did during and after the incident .

Instead of labelling it as my bias or emotions,, counter all I have said or tell more of what don't know.

I have not jumped into any conclusion. I only said I no longer believe her story to be true. So I have not really judged her a murderer.

For anyone who has read my comments on this thread concerning the case at hand, this is just to let you know that my opinion about the girl has changed.

I no longer think her story makes any sense whatsoever.

She did not scream for help when she was been attacked by the man and didn't make any attempt to run away from the room. Why?

She claim she was high and didn't know exactly what she was doing but she knew exactly where to stab him that can actually result in death; twice to the neck and then the stomach.

if she didn't intend to kill him or wanted him
dead ,why watch and allow him bleed to death without calling for help to save his life.

I read the girl's confession again and got to noticed for the first time, the offhanded manner she mentioned that the man was lying on the floor while she dressed up to leave the apartmen without any consideration or sympathy for him dying man.

I ask again , why did she not do anything to save the Iife of the man who at this point is no more a threat to her.

If she is claiming self defence, why the third strike to the stomach when the first two strike to the neck is enough to put him down and make him unable to stand up to attack her again. Her story no longer make sense to me.

Concerning the withdrawals, ATM machines in Nigeria allows a maximum of between 150k to 2000 daily. So if according to the report she has withdrawn 380k , it means she did the withdrawals on separate days. She really was after the money and was willing to risk going to the ATM everyday to empty the account before it was blocked.
She was certainly after the money and it may have been the reason for the murder.

Very unfortunate incident and I think the victim just like most people, myself included, may have been deceived by the innocent look of the suspect.

A person's appearance doesn't determine what they can or cannot do. But the victim, to me ,should have known better and should be blamed too

If the suspect was his daughter and he was tipped off by somoene that a 50 year old is lodged somewhere with her doing drugs and having sex, I am sure he would have gone there to get the man arrested.

CC ; Pocohantas, DWjoBscom, calitoscassius, breathelove

DWJOBScom:
I agree with the bolden

Remember she said they were both smoking so the autopsy report will have to confirm everything said

I hope they don't doctor it

I also hope the police don't torture her to change her story. If what she narrated is true, she should stick to it. She may walk away free.

What do people expect her to do ? to relax and allow the man choke her to death?

Then the headlines would then read;

21 year old Unilag female student found dead in an apartment in lekki.

That would have been the end of the matter


But I hope she is telling the truth .

DWJOBScom:
You forgot she said the man actually cut her with the knife.
Am glad she has the scar to show for it.

Everything for now is based on her narration of events. I think we would get to know more in the coming days.
The only thing I can say for now is that the man gambled with his life by hooking up with a call girl that do drugs. Those kind of girls are not mentally stable and are quick to behave irrationally.

breathelove:
That's really twisted. You believe he was the one out to harm her all because he is dead and can't speak for himself.
If it was all about self defense, how come she went ahead to rob him of 5 million.
Even though he is dead and can't speak for himself, it's clear to see that she murdered him with an intent to rob.

Everything I said is based on her narration of what happened. If she is telling the truth, then she had no option to defend herself at the moment she was being choked to death.

If she went ahead to remove money from account, it doesn't mean she already planned it.

According to her ,the man already gave her the ATM and pin before the incident. We can say she acted stupidity to go ahead to withdraw from his account after the incident. But remember she was a desperate girl looking for money and that's all that matters to her.

You don't know some of these girls. Money is their major concern. If they follow you anywhere and you slump and die, the next thing is to search your pockets for what they can find and disappear. it has happened to several people in the past. Ask any police officer they would confirm what I just said. Ashawo nor get conscience .

Or do you think the girl is in love with him or what?