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Onyocha: Shia Muslims the world over, and even many Sunni Muslims, mark al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day to show solidarity with the Palestinians, just once a year. this procession takes place even in London and New York. it isn't the first time it is happening.

also, people should be free to expressing their support. you don't have to lecture people on how to channel their support or teach them how to doctor their beliefs.

Have u marched to protest the degredation of communities in the niger-delta by the oil companies? Have u marched to protest the govt induced porverty at the niger delta? Hav u marched to protest the killings of innocent pple by the Islamist boko haram?

Islamic hypocrisy is a leprousious issue.

When I was a boy I can remember seeing this writings on the walls of my maternal grandfather's house but never questioned him of the meanings and how he came about it.

This writings\code is a singular treasure the Igbos\efik had lost due to colonialism\christianity. Modern Igbo\efik children do not know anything about 'nsibidi'. I think it's time our so called 'intellectuals' wake up and trace the few remaining elders in the village (especially those in present day enugu, crossriver and ebonyi state where some traces of nsibidi codes could be found) and learn the writing codes and its meanings.

Blackman always destroying its culture and legacy!

Macelliot: It is written in the law. Love your neighbour and hate your enemies, but I say unto you, "love your enemies and pray for those who persecutes you." - Jesus Christ.

'Anybody that leaves Islam, kill him'---'prophet' Mohammed.

SeaGold: The way you all rant on nairaland looks like you're all having a perfect life out there. You read a story without taking into cognisance what might have prompted the woman to "act" irrationally rather you spewed your hasty reprimand.

Which woman would want to end a 10 years old marriage without fighting back?

which woman will want to abandon 2 kids or become a single mom in her late 30s?

Who really need a divorce anyway? Not a practising Christian that I know.

Have you taken into cognisance the psychological trauma the kids and family will be subjected to if there is a divorce?

Marriage is a thing of maturity and it requires 2 thinking individuals to be involved in for it to work. Just like in economics we say diminishing returns, marriage has it own fair share of return no matter how hard the partners involved pretend over it. Sometimes it takes the mature one to keep the marriage going and here the wife seems to be the intelligent one trying to sustain it.

Majority of men experience mid-life crisis as in dwindling fortune, peer pressure, inability to accomplish set target, health issues, family challenges etc and it can rub on their emotional and spiritual life thereby threatening their homefront but it will take a mature and intelligent woman to suppress these challenges and be for the man at such trying moments. Yes the man might act irrationally but that's all there is to it. Only a good woman would stand by him no matter the storm and testimony will abound later.

The woman initiated the sex just to have a hold on her dear husband. That was her evidence at the court that she is still in love with the husband and that she is Prepared to whether the storm. She is doing the right thing and I pray dear lord that her husband comes back to his senses.

Not every storm in marriage should make a woman exit like a flashlight.

Great! Among the 2% intelligent people on NL.

usermane: Here is to the deniers.

Good Lord, what have i not seen.

You seem not to understand the level of hate in Islam, you will soon hear some of them say: 'those hadith are not authentic', 'koran is superior to hadith', 'the Jews wrote some hadith to paint Islam bad', 'the american CIA has corrupted those hadith', 'those hadiths were compiled after the koran', and some other flimsy excuses.

The arabs in general hate the christians and the Jews. Iraq muslims have asked all christians to convert or leave Iraq. All their actions are backed up by the hadith and the koran.

The level of hate in Islam is phenomenal.

sino: So upon the education Muslims gave you on that thread, you are still parroting the same thing?!

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Do you understand Islam more than the arabs? Do you watch the video posted above to view the hate speech constantly coming out from the mosques and the media, in the middle east, against the christians and the Jews? Are there varios verses of the koran where Jews are taught to be from apes and pigs? Did mohammed led wars against the Jews at his time or not? Are the arabs, till date, still threatening to 'wipe-out' Israel from world map?

These are the questions you muslims never wanted to be asked. The world will never be safe, and the world will keep viewing muslims with suspicion as long as you keep threatening pple that dont agree with Islam or accept the prophethood of mohammed.

Last week, in Iraq, the muslims issued an ultimatum to all christians to convert to Islam or vacate Iraq or lose their lives\homes. Is there any other religion, in the whole world, that pronounce such a threat aside from Islam? Muslims have to ask themselves many sincere questions on what and what is actually wrong with their religion or their followers.

mazaje: His opinion which he claimed is backed by the koran. . .he is not the only one, you tube is awashed with such videos of muslims clerics preaching hate against the Jews as a religious duty. . .

This lady says that the hate of Jews is in their genes and their blood


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Os4pdjtZ0

This one says only the annihilation of Jews will make muslims happy. . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWZXips-7uo

This one says kill Jews in the name of Islam because they are decendants of apes and pigs according to the koran. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0nmUSPbhTk

Maybe vexdacool knows more about Islam than these Islamic clerics. . . .

It is only Nigeria muslims that understand Islam more than the arabs. The arabs\koran made it a religios duty for all muslims to hate the Jew because they rejected prophethood of mohammed, and mohammed, according to hadith cursed the christians and the Jews before his death for 'building' on grave of old prophets.

So its quite a foundational problem embedded in the koran. No matter how good a Jewish man is, he is an evil person, except he becomes a muslim and accept the prophethood of mohammed.

Muslims should stop being unnecesarily sentimental world-wide. Islamic koran made it a criminal offense for a muslim woman to marry a jewish or a christian man but permits a muslim man marrying a christian\jewish woman. That alone is a high form of hypocrisy.

Human movement and migration has evolved for thousands of years. In Nigeria, kwara belongs to the yorubas, but the jihadist had taken over political power and everybody has integrated well and there is no issue.

In the north, uthman dan fodio army invaded the hausa community and established the emirate, the hausa\fulani had since integrated into the society and are one happy family.

In north america, the whites invaded present-day US, took over their land, but today both the native americans and the whites, have forgotten the past and have built a strong and peaceful country.

In australia, the british took the lands from the black aborigins, but today both the whites and the black aborigin are happily staying together, living in peace and harmony.

In egypt, the arabs seized land from the coptics, drove the blacks down south (north sudan) and enslaved millions, but today, the coptics and the arab egyptians are living together in harmony.

In the US, the whites enlaved the blacks for hundreds of years, but today, they are brothers and the blacks are very active in US politics.

Relating it to the issue of the muslim\arabs\palenstinians vs the Jews, it is quite clear that the muslims never wanted peace with the Jews. I say this because, for many years, the arabs have failed to integrate the Jews into the larger arab society, which resulted the Jews asking for a separate homeland (present-day Israel) which the arab world are bent to destroy. Statements credit to ahmed ahmadinajab (of Iran) and king abdullah (of saudi) attested to this.

The muslims should understand that there are many religions, culture, races in the whole world which will never bow to Islamic crave for global dominace.

The sooner the arabs\muslims learn to live peacefuly with the jews, the safer for the peace of the middle east. But there continous hatred for the jews, as a result of many portions of the koran that motivated their hate, will only increase the suffering of the palestinians\arabs, and there is nothing allah can do about it.

BetaThings: Your username includes a reference to God
So who validated the stories/claims you believe about that God

I dont claim to be a prophet, it is just a username. Anyone that call himself a provide is expected to live a high moral standard as an example for his generation, and not otherwise.

If I am a prophet, my revelations should not be contradictory, I must not be lustfull, I must not engage in wars to force pple to accept me as a prophet, I must know that getting down with a girl of 9yrs (while I was 54) is morally wrong irrespective of what my culture says, sleeping with captured slaves, ets. All these are what your prophet did (all recorded in the hadith).

That aside anyway, concerning cloudstar question, is there anywhere, in the koran, that allah asked you guys to be kissing a black stone in mecca? Is there anywhere you guys were asked to encircle the kabba seven times? Are these practices carried out prior Islamic era or not, by the arabian pagan worshippers?

olaitan009: seriously our leaders are the one bringing us down,imagine after the humiliation they will still eat,what a shame,that Obama is nothing but a fool,he thought he had achieved everything in life,we admitted that you humiliated us here on earth but you own humiliation in hereafter will be far worst if you die in this state of mind, how could a non muslim be invited for iftar,we call it iftar not a dinner party,no matter what you do we will still reclaim our land Gaza and your Israelites will be humiliated like the way they were...
Israel the land of non believers,ungrateful, rebellion just check Quran and see the way Allah had described them...
Oh our lord!protect our brothers and sister in Gaza forgive those that have lost their life and cure the injured ones and make us victorious over the kufar(the Jews,Christians and the like)Amin

Yimu.

anago1000: even if the above statement is credited to p.w Botha, it is on record the Jewish state is a major backer of the oppressive south African whites.

Guy your lies\propaganda have been bursted. I wonder how you muslims still keep straight-face, even while your lies have been uncovered several times.

Anyway, al-taqiyya is an Islamic virtue world-wide.

This is a thread most nairaland e-jihadist will choose to ignore. The bold ones among them will come up with their scripted excuses that 'they are not real muslims', 'Islam is a religion of peace', 'they are being sponsored by the CIA', 'they dont understand the koran', 'they are trying to paint Islam black', 'they are few extremist', 'it is a Jewish progaganda against Islam', 'it is being blown out of proportion by Islamophobes' and other Islamic lies.

The truth remains, these are true muslims following the example of mohammed (shit be upon him), according to his deeds as recorded in the koran and the al-hadiths.

Islam and oppression are inseparable. The muslim world (especially saudi arabia) will never condemn this action but will go on a killing spree if their 'prophet' (shit be upon him) is 'offended'.

born2lead01: With all these insane utterances and policies from the Muslim world some people still claim Islamic is a peaceful religion.

What you dont understand is that they are following the foot-steps of their prophet (piss urine on him). Islam is never made to exist side-by-side with other religion, except they are in moniority.

Isreal is not syria or Iraq where the ISIS can mess up. The Islamist will be nuked if they make any attempt to fight the Israelis because of the palestinians. The ISIS jihadist knew the red-line that must not be crossed or they will be crushed like ants, they are not that foolish.

The only thing the palestinians can do is to embrace peace and try assimilate, as much as possible, into the larger Isreali society and establish a strong diploatic ties with the Israeli govt. The palestinians will be very successful if they embrace peace at all cost.

But as long as they believe in the koran that advocate 'death and violence' upon the Jews, they will not come in agreement.

The only solution is for the palestinians to accept the sovereign state of Israel.

true2god: www.vanguardngr.com/2014/07/christians-fleeing-iraqs-mosul-jihadist-ultimatum/

Christians were fleeing
Iraq’s jihadist-held city of Mosul en masse
Friday after mosques relayed an
ultimatum giving them a few hours to
leave, the country’s Chaldean patriarch
and witnesses said. “Christian families are on their way to
Dohuk and Arbil,” in the neighbouring
autonomous region of Kurdistan,
Patriarch Louis Sako told AFP. “For the
first time in the history of Iraq, Mosul is
now empty of Christians.” Witnesses said messages telling
Christians to leave the city by Saturday
were blared through loudspeakers from
the city’s mosques Friday. A statement dated from last week and
purportedly issued by the Islamic State
jihadist group that took over the city and
large swathes of Iraq during a sweeping
offensive last month warned Mosul’s
Christians they should convert, pay a special tax, leave or face death. “We were shocked by the distribution of a
statement by the Islamic State calling on
Christians to convert to Islam, or to pay
unspecified tribute, or to leave their city
and their homes taking only their clothes
and no luggage, and that their homes would then belong to the Islamic State,”
Sako said. The patriarch, who is one of the most
senior Christian clerics in Iraq, and
residents contacted by AFP said Islamic
State militants had in recent days been
tagging Christian houses with the letter N
for “Nassarah”, the term by which the Koran refers to Christians. The statement, which was seen by AFP,
said “there will be nothing for them but
the sword” if Christians reject those
conditions.

These are the real muslims, NL muslims are fake.

NL fake muslims say there is no compulsion in religion while the real owners of Islam (Iraq, Iran, Saudi, sudan, somalia etc) say you have to be a muslim or you face possible death or imprisonment. Who am I to believe?

tbaba1234: Saudi calls itself an Islamic State meaning there is a State religion.

This also means it is not the secular model that you might be used to, which assumes no state religion.

Non muslims are not dragged to worship in the mosques, they observe their faith in whatever way they can.

Your argument is pathetic bro. Muslims are the greatest oppressors worldwide, and the only answer to their oppression are the Jews. God made it so cos the Jews give no rooms to the muslims and their double-standard and barbarity.

So you are now hiding under secularism to inflitrrate other countries with ur evil religion while ur islamic counrtries made it a capital offense leaving islam. HYPOCRITE!

AlBaqir: First the question was actually directed to those who want to know where in the 'Quran' does the command of circling the kaaba 7times and kissing and touching the black stone is.

Second, I do not expect a person like you that do not believe in the Quran being revealed by God to ask where as per above-mentioned questions. It doesn't matter or of importance to you.

Third, who 'verify' Quran being word of God as per your challenge?

The fact that Quran contradict the bible, according to you, that makes it not from God. What kind of reasoning is that? 'Bible' itself is enough to contradict itself. How many versions of it do we have today with blatant contradictory passages? Have you compare them and prepare a reasonable explanation justify the differences? Catholic bible has 76 books different from that of the protestants with 66 books. Jehovah witness bible is another sorry ass. The Jewish Torah (alleged 'Old testament' of the christian) is different from the so-called christian 'Old testament'.

Really all these are not in line with this thread so I don't want to further derail

The holy Quran claim itself to be from God. It however challenge the doubters:

"Do they not consider the Quran had it been is from any other apart from God, they would have found discrepancies/Error in it"

The challenge goes further:
"...(tell them to) produce the like of this Quran

Yet in another verse, it says: "bring forth a sura (chapter) or even ten verses of the like...if the whole of mankind and Jinn combine to bring its like, they will not be able to do so"

These are fair acid test as to the claim of any so-called 'book of God'.

You will agree with me that, aside from mohammed, no other muslim\man, can say for sure that the 'revelations' comes from angel gabriel. Non.

Besides, some al-hadith, revealed satan speaking through mohammed which were later abrogated (i will quote the hadith later). And you will agree, unlike the bible prophets, that mohammed was usually on a state of convulsion whenever the 'revelations' are being given. Are you saying the God that gave old bible prophets changed his style of communication (by making mohammed go on convulsion) before a messgae is revealed.

The mohammed's claim of divine 'revelations' is subject to questionings. The same angel gabriel that told biblical mary that she will conceive and bear a son, to be called THE SON OF GOD (because of his immaculate conception), cannot come back 650 years later to contradict himself by telling mohammed that 'God has no son'.

So you can understand that two different gabriels spoke to mary and mohammed.

AlBaqir: I've known you to be a shameless liar and you repeat the same in a cycling direction. You can re-read your reply to my questions and tell me how you answer them. Not every comment/reply to questions hit the bulls eye.

Answer to the so-called question of yours is in the Quran. And the simple question you FAILED to answer is: Do you believe in the Qur'an as a divine book of God?



Run away? If you open your eye to read and free your reasoning from hatred, then you will realize the following:

1. I ask what is the meaning of "Worship"?

2. How is "worship" in that context (as in 1 however you interpret it) apply to "touching and kissing" a stone?

3. Do you believe in the Qur'an as divine book to be asking for prove in it?

However, my reply of "sacrifice of young Lamb" has nothing to do with you. It is in response to Unbias in the context of "worship". What concern you are highlighted above.

I thought you were fasting.

The koran contradicts the bible so much, I personally do not take koran as the word of God. There is no second level check as to what mohammed claimed was revealed to him. Mohammed claimed to have received koranic revelations, but without anybody or prophet to authenticate his claims.

It is easy for me to wake up and tell you that an angel tells me this or that, but it will take another logical or spiritual person to validate my claims. Who and what validated mohammed claims of divine revelations?

Rilwayne001: Have you ever think of the foundation of xtianity

Isaiah 45:7 King James Version
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You mean God form light and create darkness (Islam), and made peace and create evil (Islam)? You are quite right, you are getting my points here.

Rilwayne001: Your brain is too shallow..what is al-taqiyya in what i wrote, logikboi is not ready to learn..the same thing with you.

And do you know that jesus practice al-taqiyya?
Ask and it shall be given to you.

Islam has nothing to offer except lies, deceipt and war. Internet is fast exposing the lies and hypocrisies in Islam, people are more informed about Islamic lies.

Before the internet, people never knew that your prophet is a peodophile, snatched his adopted son's wife, killed men and take their women as 'wives' and sex slaves (all these actions are sanctioned by allah).

You have no hope in Islam, the foundation of your religion is fraught with sex and war and blood. Have you considered what happened immediately after the death of your prophet? The Islamic camp, being founded on bloodshed, immediately went into a civil war bw two major factions, the shia (fatima's camp) and sunnis (aisha's camp). Fatimah lost his two children, hussein and hassan, to defend her father's religio-political empire, which she eventually lost.

Until you sit and think about the bloody foundation that established Islam, I will always tell you 'sorry' for not using your cognitive power for a more rational analysis.

TheBigUrban2: Explain? You want to lie your way out.


A verse clearly states that disobedient wives should be scourged. It said so in plain English.


And now you are trying to explain that the Arabic translation doesnt mean "scourged". Did I force you to use Pickthall English translation?

It's called al-taqiyya, defending Islamic lies. Any quranic verse that is anti-human would be subjected to 100+ interpretations by the 'scholars' in order to 'wash away' the real content.

BetaThings: This is am argument that is deficient.
Muslims in the West live by laws of western countries - they obey western laws, pay taxes and have western rights - they protest for their rights just like your h-o.mo.sick friends do
Note that were they to behave like foreigners, they could have got some foreign countries to give them weapons to cause violence as we currently see in Ukraine
The protest culture eg the Occupy movement is western and you behave like Romans while in Rome
And that is what they are doing
When Russia banned f.a.g.g.o.t.r.y those who opposed it in the West protested, nobody asked them to go to Russia to protest
and that was sympathy protest

Please be truly true to God and learn to be tolerant

Muslims are the greatest oppressors worldwide, where they are the majority. Stop being deceptive.

Islamic society operates an absolute law, without room for compromise. In saudi arabia, christians are not even allows\expected to visit mecca city (according to koran, nothing unclean should enter mecca, including infidel christians); it is a criminal offense for any christian to step into mecca for whatever reason. Thats their law, and as a christian, I must abide by the law. If I'm not ok with that law, I'm free to leave saudi arabia altogther.

The good news is that muslims can access\enter any part of the world, unresticted, including the vatican (the seat of the catholic papacy), and recently quran was read in the vatican. Can Bible be read in mecca? NO.

So muslims\arabs are quick to cry oppression while they are greatest oppressors of human race.

Conversion has now become a publicity stunt for muslim converts. Its all about remaining relevant in a competative music\entertainment industry.

Conversion without godliness and change of live\heart is hoax.

Thanks cloudstar, I have been following your post, and dividing the the issues you raised. It is a known fact the circumveting the kabba shrine is a pre-Islamic ritual by the pagan arabs. Even if the instruction for that ritual is contained in the koran, it doesnt stop the fact that the practice of kissing\venerating the black stone in kabba is pure idol worship.

Its unfortunate that millions of pple will never pause and think, thats the issue with 'religiosness'. And it is never on record that the Abraham of the bible ever visited kabba, let alone died in mecca.

The koran, I think, is a direct attack on the Jewish\christian torah (or book) and medivial history.

Chelsea fans should beware.

UK, and most of Europe, is hoping for a multi-cultural society where christians, muslims, hindus, bhudist, Jews, blacks, asians, caucassians, arabs etc can live together peacefully in harmony, and according to Eurpean laws and traditions. However, this utopian dream of having a multi-cultural society is presently being threatened by Islamic fundamentalist who want to impose Islamic beliefs, laws, tradition on the host country, rather in a creeping manner. Aside varios terrorist and extremist activities always linked to muslims.

Hence, Europe see Islam\muslims as threat to future European dream and are presently taking all measures to reverse this trend to aviod a complete muslim take-over, which will definitly alter Europe's Judeo-christian history and tradition.

Muslims should be ready to be law abiding and stop demanding for sharia, halal food in a Judeo-christian country. 90% of european muslims are from arab\african\south east asian (most of them are assylum seekers who escape the oppressions and tyranny in muslims countries) and are mostly in ghettos hence in most cases refusing to assimilate to the larger european societies.

The result of all this wahala is the current restrictiom of immigration visa against muslims from Islamic countries to avoid future Islamization of Europe and the future societal problems that might cause.

Muslims should learn how to be obedient to local laws and not force Islamic laws on their host. If the local law forbids burka, for whatever reason, they should comply. Afterall its their country. If a christian woman visits saudi arabia, she is expected to use veil, that their law.

Muslims should stop using the concept of freedom and human right, in the west, to cause societal problems\confusions. If you are not ok with another country's law, you can go back to your country where those laws are applicable.

abdullahi4allah: “And I will pray
the Father, and
He will give you
another Helper,
that He may abide
with you forever
(John 14:16).”

Do you now accept that God is also called the father, using your quote as a reference? Do you now accept that Jesus called God his father, which is entirely against your quran?

Guy you need another reference to prove that Jesus is a muslim. Jesus, and all other biblical prophets, are all Jews. Judaism had been in existence thousands of years before Islam and 80% of the contents of your quran are lifted from the Judeo-christian scriptures.

Islam sanctions al-taqiyya (holy lies) as long as it is for the benefit of Islam. Deut 20:15 is clear enough to understand: 'The lord your God will raise up unto you a prophet from the midst of you (among you), of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him you should obey'. Moses said that another prophet (like himself) will be raised from the Jews. The key statement there is ' God will raise unto you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brother'.

I wont give up in exposing the fallacy of Islam trying, at all cost, to technically jextapox mohammed into the Jewish torah and the Christian 'book'. The lies, mohammed is the holy spirit, to the muslims, is no longer defensible, so they hung on to deut 20 to get credbility for their fake and warring prophet.

If Quran didn't say mohammed was a prophet like unto moses (which could have been defensible to the muslims), why are muslims corrupting Judeo-christian scriptures to give mohammed a sort of credibility?

A good product need not too much advert to gain acceptance, only a bad product does. 'There is not god but allah and mohammed is his prophet' is the world most repeated\daily advert in history, rather unconciosly by muslims world wide. Even the saudi arabia flag advertise this false matra with a sword to signify the eternal aggression of Islam on who refused to accept 'there is no god but allaha and mohammed (piss be on him) is his prophet'.

Islam used death threat to keep its members in Islamic countries. That alone shows that it is a cult, just as Ogboni fraternity use the same tactics to keep its members from exposing their falsehood.

@ Riliwan, why do all Islamic apostates seek politcal assylum, either in the US or Europe to avoid being killed in their home countries? If apostates are not killed, or threatened with death penalty, do you think Islam will survive as a religion?

HARDUBUY: This is another ignoramus! Well let me tell u that the likes of USA, UK, France, Russia and even Isreal Knows the statistical rapid growth of Islam across the world, which they they dont want, and the large deposite of crude oil in the middle east Nations u listed above. So their aim(u.s u.k France,Russia etc) is to sponsor thugs, violence and millitants againt the ruling government so as to steal from their crude and also stop the rapid conversion rate to islam which is against impunity around the world. USA has categorically spent over a billion dollars just to ensure the rabels and millitant of Syria keeps fighting the ggovt. as they also did in lybia in 2011.

If muslims are allowed to be used in killing each other (by the west), that means muslims are not wise at all (I dont want to call them fool.s).

Muslims population growth in the west is as a result of hight migration\birth rate from the muslim countries to the west. No sane muslim from Africa\asia will relocate to Iran, Iraq, saudi arabia, Yemen, pakistan, afghanistan etc. They are all escaping to US and europe to free themselves from poverty, war and tyranny engulfing the entire muslim countries.

FYA, the west are tired of Islamic migration (who always refuse to assimilate). They are making plans to make migration by the muslims more difficult and deport all Islamist whose stay in europe constitue security threat. You guys are not contributing anything to humanity except violence and destruction, even among yourselves.

realone2012: The irony of the situation is: Those Christians that are happy because of this news, I dont think they know Christainity is illegal in China?
Google it for more info!

You might be right, but muslims are the people currently giving the chinese govt a serios head-ache, the islamisr xianzing separatist jihadist in china. It is only ok to deal with a cancer early enough before it destroys the whole body.